The US has been surrounding Iran for years. Yet we wonder why they want to develop a nuclear defense.

Obama starting a war will piss off the people who vote for him and the people who won't vote for him still won't vote for him.

Why do I feel like if they were quietly doing something with stealth aircraft...we wouldn't know about it?

How about this. Lets NOT murder a bunch of brown people and kill a bunch of our own people as well. Lets just skip this war. If Israel wants a war let them do it alone. Not our business.

Or, you know, not so quietly.

Seeing that since all of the stupid voters of 1980 voted for Reagan because they were being so butthurt about the Iran Hostage Crisis (with Reagan doing more harm to America than it ever did to Iran. Thanks loads, you shortsighted dumbsh*ts!), I'd like to hold Iran directly responsible for causing the past thirty years of "trickle down", "voodoo economics", and Iran/Contra that plague us to this very day.


Hangin's too good for em! Burnin's too good for em!

Gyrfalcon: Plus America holding back Saudi Arabia

Is that the case?

For about two decades, I've kept hearing that many Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, would love to see Iran (non-Arab) knocked down and so would overtly make a show of condemning Israel but actually do nothing, or even covertly provide support.

Not that I know shiat.

Yeah, no.

I remember the original October surprise. That involved paying Iran to hold on to US hostages to win an election. Those guys - Reagan, Bush I - were also the ones who created bin Laden.

The guy who got bin Laden isn't playing that traitorous bullshiat.

I'll chock this up to the GOP raising war fears against Iran, only to find out that their own funders (Koch bros) do a lot of business there so it would be inconvenient to have a war for them, really, so now they are raising the possibility that actually putting the screws to Iran would be MOST IMPRUDENT (nah gah doit).

/oh, DNTRFA
// yeah, doin it and doin it well
/// don't want another war

cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?



you obviously didn't see the lame shiat three hour graphic that people bought to invade iraq, did you.

LasersHurt: Brontes: clambam: Trapper439: I. Dont. Give. A. Shiat. About. Israel.


Sure. You. Do. You want to see it gone. Because You. Hate. Jews.

(Not supporting Israel) != (Anti-Semnite). you. f'ing moron

That happens a lot around here.

Anyone who would blame the Israeli people for the actions of their government should look our own government. Are we responsible for all the shiat our government pulls on a regular basis? God, I hope not.

The simple fact is that The People do not control governments anymore - money does.

I honestly am starting to feel sorry for Iran. Not their government, mind you, but all the innocent people living there who've never really done anything to the USA whom have already been sentenced to death by bombing. For over a year now they've known that the USA is going to kill them because... heck, do they even need a reason? And there is nothing that they can do to stop it. They can't even preemptively surrender, because the USA is not going to change it's mind for any reason. The bombs will drop, the innocent people will die, and there isn't anything the general public in either country can do to prevent it. They're all living on death row, already tried and convicted by the USA of the unforgivable crime of simply existing.

But hey, at least we're better than those terrorists, right?

I'd love to see a candidate, preferably a Republican, did this speech:

"I love this country. I consider myself a proud American, and I feel proud of everything our principles stand for. We are still a beacon of freedom in the world, despite these trying times. I am a proud family man, and a deeply religious person. I work hard every day to insure every day that the America that warms my heart, shines as brightly as the sun shines at Dawn. However, my religious views are somewhat, different, from the average American. Many of us consider ourselves Christian, and say we follow the rules of God, some are Jewish, some are Hindu, the greatest thing of America, is the variety of our people here. Me, for example, my ancestors, as well as many of here today, come from European descent, and so, I follow their roots: I worship not Christ, but the ancient gods of the Norse. I live by their principles and laws, and I have come to believe that our love of war is more in tune with the Allfather Odin, than it is with Jesus. And so, I simply wish to ask my fellow Americans, if you want this war, if you are comfortable with taking the life of another man, you are going against the teachings of your Christ. So please, stop living a lie, and embrace the calling of our ancestors. Let us praise the gods of our forefathers, and support the troops".

TheEdibleSnuggie: Delivered in 30 minutes or it's free. I don't even care anymore, and seriously, what's the point of having these things IF YOU NEVER ARE GOING TO USE THEM.

We use them all the time, for their only use: to prevent nuclear weapons from being used. They work very well.

The U.S. Air Force is quietly assembling the world's most powerful air-to-air fighting team at bases near Iran

Not so quietly now eh, traitor?!

Somacandra: There was another recent Fark article of dubious import stating that Russia is massing its own forces near its relevant borders in preparation for anything that goes down. Perhaps there is some connection (if this turns out to be true at all)


Russia doesn't have a border with Iran. However..... their border that's closest to Iran is their border with Georgia. You know, the place Russia decided to smack around in 2008? THAT'S most likely why they're massing troops there. Anything they're saying otherwise is probably a ruse.

And what? You people don't think AIPAC should get what they've paid for?

Forgot_my_password_again: if there is one thing we can all learn from fark, its that the person holding a particular view is right 100% and anyone who doesn't have the same view is an idiot.

if you don't agree, you're an idiot.

What, you want a crying baby pic now or something? Attacking Iran is a stupid idea. That is known as an "indefensible position."

clambam: Trapper439: I. Dont. Give. A. Shiat. About. Israel.


Sure. You. Do. You want to see it gone. Because You. Hate. Jews.

(Not supporting Israel) != (Anti-Semnite). you. f'ing moron

Not all Israelis are gung-ho to go to war:

Israeli ex-intel chief slams PM's Iran stance

Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail.

Mrtraveler01: AverageAmericanGuy: There's a lot of anti-semitic undercurrent in a bunch of posts here. There is a worrisome increase in anti-semitism in Europe. In America, the liberals have all but disowned Israel.

The risk of a second Holocaust is increasing at a frightening pace.

My local supermarket didn't have the Kosher Coke for Passover (primarily because there's no Jews where I live), so obviously my supermarket is Anti-Semitic.

/Not even Jewish
//Just like getting the Coke

Israel has shown compassion by the world and yet seem to want to show little compassion for others peoples in similar plights. Just because they had a Holocaust doesn't give them license act like dicks and expect America to come and save them. Israel has the means to defend itself. They are using us.

Also don't confuse anti-Zionism with anti-semitism . Not supporting the policies of Israel does not equate to hating the Jewish people.

freetomato: Do you really not get why a military family might have a problem with chickenhawks? Surely you cannot be that stupid. But then again, many "patriots" the past decade or so have been amazingly clueless.

You may as well stop. They don't care. You are simply there to do their bidding. Don't worry, they will fly the flag, put a yellow sticker on the car and shake your hand and the thank you for your service. But this will also rail agaist having to pay for war through increased taxes or any type of financial burden. They will want to send troops in before any consideration as to the impact on the troops. They will fight against raising your pay. They will make sure to do everything to question you when things go wrong. You are only there to complete their dream of a America as nation that can kick ass and let God sort them out. That is all that they really care about.

By the a bonobo is one of the apes that has a bare ass. I picture him like in this thread like this:

AverageAmericanGuy: There's a lot of anti-semitic undercurrent in a bunch of posts here. There is a worrisome increase in anti-semitism in Europe. In America, the liberals have all but disowned Israel.

The risk of a second Holocaust is increasing at a frightening pace.

Not sucking Israel's cock all the time does not equal being anti-Semitic.

Who cares if Iran has nukes?

It would be suicide to use them. The world would unite against them and they know it. The only thing nukes would do for Iran is deter a direct US/Israeli invasion.

And don't me with propaganda "wipe Israel from the map". First, it was mistranslated. Second, look at how many stupid things does our own governments spew. Does everything our president say or do reflect your personal views?

The tail is wagging the dog; we are being led by the nose into another war by people who won't fight it, but will surely profit form it.

AverageAmericanGuy: There's a lot of anti-semitic undercurrent in a bunch of posts here. There is a worrisome increase in anti-semitism in Europe. In America, the liberals have all but disowned Israel.

The risk of a second Holocaust is increasing at a frightening pace.

Yeah, but this time, it'll be the Jews *doing* the ethnic cleansing.

_{/too easy?}

jaytkay: The quick cheap strategy would be for the US to take out the fundamentalists with a few airstrikes.

Meaning the Israelis in the illegal settlements in the occupied territories.

Bam! Lots of problems solved.

No, it would just justify the pro-settlement folks using the "anti-semite" card anytime anyone says one goddamn thing that is remotely cricitical of Israel (meaning anything short of 100% support of anything Israel does )

That cards gets used more than the race card ever could.

winterwhile: wars end

No, America finds excuses to have a war every single decade since the end of WWII. Coincidence?

Entitlements are funded by current contributions by current workers. Not even remotely the same.

freetomato: /amused by the strategists on fark who have never worn a uniform yet speak with authority

I'm amused that people who sit in air conditioned offices thousands of miles away from the battlefield try and play the holier than thou card when they could have quit a long time ago and done something actually patriotic, like starting a charity in America, running for political office, peace corps, etc.

I guess that settles it, you ARE a self entitled immature kid at heart. No, we will not worship you for wearing the uniform, nothing you did was unique and special, you are just another number in the military industrial complex. You are an enemy of peace. Nobody should worship stormtroopers.

freetomato: Zing!

In our unit, the primary mission is to watch out for the kids on the ground - to make sure the road ahead is clear and safe. My husband calls "all clear" from above; I make sure that their shiat is all in one sock before they leave. If you think those are unimportant, then you have never served, and you are welcome to scoff all you want. And by all means, root for kicking A-Rab Ass from your armchair. That helps.

Not sure if really self entitled or just really really brainwashed.
No I will not "root" for a decade long occupation of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Want to go after "A-Rab Ass" to avenge the 9/11 attacks? Invade Egypt Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, or STFU.

bluenovaman: If there is any truth to this, Obama is looking to alienate his base. I'm no pacifist, but he won't get my vote doing that kind of crap.

/getting outta here when ww3 breaks out. Fark tha noise!

Seriously. Is there a kickstarter I could support for a spot on an orbital colony or something? Because it's becoming very clear that this planet is farked.

If there is any truth to this, Obama is looking to alienate his base. I'm no pacifist, but he won't get my vote doing that kind of crap.

/getting outta here when ww3 breaks out. Fark tha noise!

RanDomino: cman
Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

Who better?


cameroncrazy1984
Why do I feel like if they were quietly doing something with stealth aircraft...we wouldn't know about it?

The number of stories like this might suggest that the point is to intimidate Iran. Their only real countermeasure is the threat of shutting down the Strait and blowing up the US economy. If they can be convinced that they won't be able to do that, then their best option would be to allow inspectors rather than face an Israeli attack backed up by the US armada.

Iran had a larger army and a larger population than israel, don't they?

Are you serious?


Mrtraveler01
Good thing we don't get much oil from Iran then.

Seriously?

Yeah, farking seriously. try reading up on some shiat, idiot.

PonceAlyosha: HMS_Blinkin: Unlike you, I am a big fan of Obama, but if he starts another war, I'll vote for Mitt Romney in a heartbeat. When will these clowns understand? WE ARE FARKING SICK OF POINTLESS OFFENSIVE WARS

The worst part is the moment Romney heard about Obama declaring war he'd start campaigning on declaring a bigger, more profitable war.

Not if Obama based the war on a past and very successful and well-liked war that Romney implemented as Governor of Massachusetts. Then Romney would repudiate the whole idea and say it was the biggest mistake of his life, and that a war that works for Mass. doesn't work for the whole country.

HMS_Blinkin: Weaver95: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

I think it more likely that Israel will start the war, then quickly get in over their heads and scream bloody murder for the USA to come bail 'em out.

So? Israel can yell and scream all they want, we have no obligation to help them. And we'd better not, not if they're the aggressors!

No we have to help Israel regardless if they're the aggressors or not because if we don't help them no matter what, it means we're Anti-Semites...or something.

HMS_Blinkin: Unlike you, I am a big fan of Obama, but if he starts another war, I'll vote for Mitt Romney in a heartbeat. When will these clowns understand? WE ARE FARKING SICK OF POINTLESS OFFENSIVE WARS

The worst part is the moment Romney heard about Obama declaring war he'd start campaigning on declaring a bigger, more profitable war.

winterwhile: wars end

entitlements never end

Alright tell me.

When will the "War on Terror" end?

U.S. enters WWI: President Wilson, Democrat
U.S. enters WWII: President Roosevelt, Democrat and we are still there (Japan, Germany, etc)
U.S. enters Korea: President Truman, Democrat and we are still there
U.S. enters Vietnam as 'advisers': President Kennedy, Democrat
U.S. escalates involvement in Vietnam to full scale war: President Johnson, Democrat

Yes, I am leaving out the Republican ones, as well as many minor ones from all sides, like 'Monica's Missiles' from Clinton's era, not to mention the Bush family feud in Iraq. This list is just to show that Democrats are not immune to the call to war that politics or events can drive them to. If you think Obama will not go into Iran, you are assuming much. I hope he does not, but I have no way to know what is going to happen and no one else does either, but a very few at the top.

Politics will decide this. If Obama feels politically vulnerable, the temptations to appeal to patriotic jingoism will be great.

doesn't surprise me at all. I live next to a major rail line that runs north/south through our state (GA) and for the past few weeks I have seen a lot of new military vehicles headed south. there was one train the other day with over 1000 brand new humvees with the turret mounts on it. a few days before were a bunch of bulldozers, a few days before that were fuel trucks. all of them desert sand color.

I haven't seen that much military hardware shipping that fast since the build up before the Iraq invasion.

wademh: Heron: EnviroDude: should be an interesting war. We just gave them our drone technology and now we are going to bomb them from 30,000 feet until they nuke Israel.

get the popcorn ready young men, you are going to go to the Middle East (what better way to put unemployed graduates to work than to draft them for WWIV.

I get the sense that Americans are going to be REALLY upset if we go to war with Iran. Not so much in a "But the Iranian people aren't our enemies" sort of way (despite their consistently measured responses to our belligerence, plenty in the US seem to buy the absurd line that the Ayatollah is the global terrorist puppet-master), but rather in a "Oh My farking God; not this bullshiat again" kind of way. If Obama thinks bombing Iran is going to increase his domestic support, he's got another thing coming. Union citizens don't want another war, period.

The GOP has already been huffing and puffing about doing something about Iran. If Obama does, would erstwhile Obama voters switch and vote for Romney? No. Would Obama then win FL? Yes. I don't want to be that cynical, but I'm not sure that dropping a few bombs on nuclear weapons manufacturing sites is the worst thing we could do. I don't know enough about what Iran is likely to do with the bombs I'm sure it's building.

They won't vote for Romney, but they won't vote for Obama, either. The only reason why Obama isn't going into this election with a prospective landslide is because how how significantly he has alienated the coalition of voters who elected him 4 years ago.

And why are you so sure Iran is building nukes? Every agency whose responsibility it is to figure out these sorts of things, from the IAEA to the DIA to the CIA, disagrees with you on that assessment. The last time there was any credible evidence that Iran was pursuing a bomb program was 2003.

Dadoody: Isn't it adorable how Americans love to make and watch movies about being invaded and fighting back? If not from Aliens, then from the Russians, South Americans, Chinese, or North Koreans (HA!).....

And yet the only ones doing the invading are the Americans themselves? Isn't that just adorable how we do things to other people we don't want done to ourselves?

I think it's cute. Especially since all of our gained tactics and weapons tech will most likely be used by our government against us one day. Soon. If not already in many circumstances.

"Surveillance" drones are on their way to a police department near you, after all, and the weapon dealers aren't even making it a secret that they hope to develop and sell weaponized versions to law-enforcement in the next few years. Just imagine it; in 5 years or so, the police will be able to shoot gun you down for perceived slights from the comfort of their own homes!

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: Plus America holding back Saudi Arabia

Is that the case?

For about two decades, I've kept hearing that many Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, would love to see Iran (non-Arab) knocked down and so would overtly make a show of condemning Israel but actually do nothing, or even covertly provide support.

Not that I know shiat.

The Saudi regime might be for it, but the actual people of Saudi Arabia, and the region generally, don't see Iran as a threat and really dislike US military involvement in their part of the world. In fact, polls have consistently shown the people of the Near East think of us as the biggest threat to peace in the region for decades.

freetomato: God willing, my husband and I can kick off our combat boots for good within a year. He is active duty AF and I am Air Guard. We've spent more than half of our 7 year marriage apart. We are done. 48 years combined service. Someone else's turn to sacrifice. Armchair warriors, care to volunteer? Your kids, perhaps? Thanks!

Sacrifice for what? The political glory of some assholes in Washington and the bloodlust of warmongers in Jerusalem? No thanks, my momma didn't raise no dummy.

/did you buy the "protecting our freedoms" line or did you do it for college money?

cman: Nadie_AZ: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

The only reason Bush got away with Iraq was because of 9/11. No way anyone would have said 'do it' otherwise.

People are tired of offensive wars. Let Iran and Israel square off. Without our money or weapons or man power.

9/11 wasnt the sole reason. The US had been pushing Saddam as the boogie man for years. Worked so well they even had pro-war marches.

Not nearly as big as the anti-war ones, but you'd never know that from how completely the media ignored the anti-war movement.

EnviroDude: should be an interesting war. We just gave them our drone technology and now we are going to bomb them from 30,000 feet until they nuke Israel.

get the popcorn ready young men, you are going to go to the Middle East (what better way to put unemployed graduates to work than to draft them for WWIV.

I get the sense that Americans are going to be REALLY upset if we go to war with Iran. Not so much in a "But the Iranian people aren't our enemies" sort of way (despite their consistently measured responses to our belligerence, plenty in the US seem to buy the absurd line that the Ayatollah is the global terrorist puppet-master), but rather in a "Oh My farking God; not this bullshiat again" kind of way. If Obama thinks bombing Iran is going to increase his domestic support, he's got another thing coming. Union citizens don't want another war, period.

FTFA: "The F-15Cs and F-22s sat out last year's Libya war."

Cracks me up whenever the media use this little tidbit in some attempt to portray these fighters as overpriced failures. What is always left out is this:

Left out of last year's Libya war: F-15's, F-22's and F-16's, A-10's, Apaches, Cobra's, F-18's, B-1's, B-2's, B-52's. It was a European campaign, nothing in the U.S. arsenal was necessary to use.

bonobo73: Social security.

You realize Medicare and Social Security have taxes collected to pay for them, right?

freetomato: I can only speak for a 1500 member strong unit of the USAF/ANG but we are burnt out. We are tired. The ops tempo over the last 10 years, combined with ancillary training and regular inspections....nobody has had time to stop and take a breath. And we are the AF -shorter deployments,not always on the front lines, but taxing nonetheless, and away from families just the same. Shorter tours, but more of them - I can't imagine how stressed the Army and Marine units are (not to mention the Navy). It is farkin' insane to get us into another engagement right now. We can't afford it and our troops are stretched thin as it is, not to mention the many thousands of damaged young men and women that the VA has to take care of. Armchair warriors/strategists - you just piss me right off. You have no clue what kind of affect the "shock and awe" you long for has on the pawns. You all better just STFU when an influx of Iraq/Afghanistan vets are flooding the $y$tem . You wanted war - to kick A-Rab ass? You didn't sacrifice a damn thing when it was happening - you better put up and shut up when they need our help.

And BTW. My husband was on the very first crew to fly over Libya in a surveillance plane, doing what they do. Clean, swift, no US casualties. As it should be. Well done, leadership.


That sounds horrible, I hope I don't get drafted and forced to do it for 10 years like you did.

HeartBurnKid: I don't see a war breaking out with Iran unless Iran does something incredibly stupid. Obama's not dumb enough to provoke yet another war when we're still smarting from the last two.

I hope...

I'd hope so, too.

If we start a war in Iran, Obama would lose my vote (and the votes of a lot of others, I'd imagine). I don't even care that it might mean getting a Republican into office...This country would be farked either way.

Corporate Self: Amazing to realize we have been at war for over a decade now with no end in sight.

shiat, kids signing up these days are young enough that as far as they're concerned we have always been at war with eastwestasia.

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cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

The only reason Bush got away with Iraq was because of 9/11. No way anyone would have said 'do it' otherwise.

People are tired of offensive wars. Let Iran and Israel square off. Without our money or weapons or man power.

Um, you are MISSING the whole point. ANOTHER 9/11 WILL HAPPEN. The Zionists will AGAIN use US MILITARY for their
endless wars. Mossad. Their motto: "By deception we shall wage war". Hmmm, how many of Israel's troops EVER WENT TO AFGHANISTAN OR IRAQ???? ZERO. How many of OURS AND ALLIES DIED? LOT'S. Israel will USE US AGAIN. KILLING OUR TROOPS to fight for them.

See, they have figured it out. Have US DIE FOR THEIR WARS.

/NOT anti-semite
//have many jewish friends
///they ALL are disgusted with the WAR GENERALS from the 67 war who are currently "posing" as politicians
////we give Israel 3 BILLION a year in aid. UM, last i checked, they are a modern society with low unemployment
////DON'T get me started on the GENOCIDE they are committing against the Palestinians

Can't we let Israel take the lead on this? Why do keep putting our fellow Americans in harms way for other countries?

Nadie_AZ: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

The only reason Bush got away with Iraq was because of 9/11. No way anyone would have said 'do it' otherwise.

People are tired of offensive wars. Let Iran and Israel square off. Without our money or weapons or man power.

I agree, but there's no way the Jews will have that. Our government panders to them more than the Catholics. Billions of our tax dollars go to help people fight over sand, because HOLOCAUST. Israel's a tough country. They've got F-16s and nukes. They can hold their own. They've done it before and they can do it again. We shouldn't sacrifice our men and women for their war, when we can sell them weapons and achieve the same result.

I'm confused ...

Which manufactured enemy am I supposed to hate again?

Is it still the Kaiser?

RanDomino:

The number of stories like this might suggest that the point is to intimidate Iran. Their only real countermeasure is the threat of shutting down the Strait and blowing up the US economy. If they can be convinced that they won't be able to do that, then their best option would be to allow inspectors rather than face an Israeli attack backed up by the US armada.


also, electoral politics at home, if obama is after hawkish 'moderates'. god knows he wont lose anyone from the left my waving the sword around.

I doubt an actual attack is coming though. the .mil structure is pretty against it and i don't think obamas the type to tell them to pound sand. err hopefully.

Work with an Iranian, super nice chick who has the same concerns in her day to day life as we do. Their leader is no more of a war monger than Bush or Netenyahu. Less so then Bush.

Be funny if that spy drone the Iranians captured was still on the clock.

deadcrickets: Knight of the Woeful Countenance: deadcrickets:

I agree it would be political suicide to go to war with Iran right now. However, if you watch the Pentagon Channel you'll see they are already telegraphing some troop movements into the area to places like Georgia.

Yeah, but the Pentagon Channel hasn't been any good since they started with programming stuff like Alien Hunters and Surplus Stars.

Not sure what version of a Pentagon Channel you are watching but ours only has stuff like DVIDS.

le sigh... and here I was thinking that joke was pretty clever...

carry on

Xyphoid: I hope that if our government decides to go to war, it'll at least have the common decency to institute a draft.

It will be unavoidable. Despite what everyone is saying (read: the same pundits that claimed Iraqis would throw flowers at us), a groundwar with Iran would ultimately be necessary to accomplish anything. Unlike the assaults on Iraq during the Clinton Administration, it's unlikely we could just destroy the entire program with a few missiles. And considering the war on Iraq stretched the military to the breaking point, there is just no conceivable way we could occupy Iran without a draft.

Must not be too quiet if a Fark subby knows about it.

gameshowhost: It's not like the GOP has been begging for it for ye... wait, they've been begging for it for years.

Party of Fear.

/wonder how much they'd be begging for it if war profiteering was illegal

Oldiron_79: Nadie_AZ: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

The only reason Bush got away with Iraq was because of 9/11. No way anyone would have said 'do it' otherwise.

People are tired of offensive wars. Let Iran and Israel square off. Without our money or weapons or man power.

Well 9/11 wasn't the ONLY reason, don't forget that Clinton had tried(and failed) pushing congress to go to war with Iraq over violating the UN agreements back when he was trying to get the attention off of Monica,

Horse shiat.

Clinton successfully destroyed Iraq's chemical weapons program while the right wing morons (and by that, I mean you) screamed "wag the dog!" but at no time did he eve push to invade, hold or tip over the Iraqi regime. You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to suggest or support that...

Oh, wait...

lazyguineapig33: will i get yelled at if i said i hope Iran gets Nukes soon so that we don't end up in another war?

Probably. Also People will imply you long for the distruction of Isreal.

beta_plus: fragMasterFlash: Who the hell is going to pay for this little fête du freedom? The 1% damn sure are not and I've got no spare coin. I hate to think of how low the US credit rating will go if we borrow the $10 trillion this shiatfest will cost.

Modern Wars are cheap.

Social Security, Medicare, Unionized Public Schools, and Obamacare are very expensive.



See how "cheap" modern war really is...

Weaver95: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

I think it more likely that Israel will start the war, then quickly get in over their heads and scream bloody murder for the USA to come bail 'em out.

Gotdam Weav, I know it's Friday night, but put down the bong and take a look at the farking map, will ya? It's nearly a thousand miles from Israel to Iran across two countries that hate both Israel and Iran with a passion. That eliminates any ground conflict between the two, and even if Israeli jets could reach Iran what are they going to do...drop a few bombs and go home?

Ain't gonna happen.

beta_plus: Obama won't attack until after the election.

If he attacks Iran oil goes through the roof and his approval rating will crash through the cellar floor.

Good thing we don't get much oil from Iran then.

Dumbass...

cman: I criticize Obama a lot, but even I am not that jaded to believe that he would do this. There is no way Obama will attack Iran. None.

Who's being naive, Kay?

Nadie_AZ: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

The only reason Bush got away with Iraq was because of 9/11. No way anyone would have said 'do it' otherwise.

People are tired of offensive wars. Let Iran and Israel square off. Without our money or weapons or man power.

Well 9/11 wasn't the ONLY reason, don't forget that Clinton had tried(and failed) pushing congress to go to war with Iraq over violating the UN agreements back when he was trying to get the attention off of Monica, none of the Democrats in congress who had voted for war when Clinton wanted to could have voted against it when Bush wanted to and not have been called for it. Limbaugh, Faux News et cetera would have eviserated them over it.

So most of the Dems in Congress COULDN'T vote against the war(and be able to justify doing so) because they had voted for it 4 years earlier. So politics as usual had a lot to do with it.

Obama won't attack until after the election.

If he attacks Iran oil goes through the roof and his approval rating will crash through the cellar floor.

vygramul: Weaver95: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

I think it more likely that Israel will start the war, then quickly get in over their heads and scream bloody murder for the USA to come bail 'em out.

They haven't needed to do it in the past. And just what would Iran do to retaliate? Have Hezbollah fire a few more Katyushas?

Iran had a larger army and a larger population than israel, don't they?