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2012-04-28 08:09:50 AM
So we're about to waste more money in the Middle East but we're cutting back NASA's budget and people continue to lose their homes. I fu)cking hate politicians.
 
2012-04-28 08:11:27 AM

cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?


Can we all see another "Gulf of Tonkin" comming?
 
2012-04-28 08:11:53 AM
I honestly am starting to feel sorry for Iran. Not their government, mind you, but all the innocent people living there who've never really done anything to the USA whom have already been sentenced to death by bombing. For over a year now they've known that the USA is going to kill them because... heck, do they even need a reason? And there is nothing that they can do to stop it. They can't even preemptively surrender, because the USA is not going to change it's mind for any reason. The bombs will drop, the innocent people will die, and there isn't anything the general public in either country can do to prevent it. They're all living on death row, already tried and convicted by the USA of the unforgivable crime of simply existing.

But hey, at least we're better than those terrorists, right?
 
2012-04-28 08:13:11 AM

rico567: GleeUnit: beta_plus: fragMasterFlash: Who the hell is going to pay for this little fête du freedom? The 1% damn sure are not and I've got no spare coin. I hate to think of how low the US credit rating will go if we borrow the $10 trillion this shiatfest will cost.

Modern Wars are cheap.

Social Security, Medicare, Unionized Public Schools, and Obamacare are very expensive.

God I hope you're trolling.

God I hope you're new to Fark.


wars end

entitlements never end

get it??????

god, I love Liberals, those non thinkers we have in our society
 
2012-04-28 08:13:56 AM

Weaver95: also - I really don't want another war. it would be noisy. And I swear to f*cking god, if we have another war in the middle east I'm going to force the ENTIRE underclass of harvard and yale universities to enlist in the gotdamn infantry.


Yeah, that has to be a condition. If the 1% want any more wars to profit from, we have to bring back the draft - no exemptions. You want to wager my children's lives against your bottom line? Fine - but let's throw YOUR kids in there too.
And that right there is a deal-breaker, T guar-on-tee!
 
2012-04-28 08:14:26 AM

ghare: Iran is not stupid enough to provoke America or Israel into an attack. They just aren't as stupid as Teabaggers.


That doesn't mean that we won't attack them and then claim to have been provoked. We've been doing that all over the planet for 50 years.
 
2012-04-28 08:14:58 AM

winterwhile: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

Can we all see another "Gulf of Tonkin" comming?


No, but I think there may be another "Bay of Tinkerbell" coming.
 
2012-04-28 08:16:00 AM

Maechyll: Bacon--is there anything it can't do?


I caught that too....the delicious irony that we are preparing for war with a radical muslim country.....with Bacon!
 
2012-04-28 08:17:34 AM
The U.S. Air Force is quietly assembling...

Yeah, shhh!

/Yay, perpetual war!
 
2012-04-28 08:18:08 AM

winterwhile: wars end

entitlements never end


Alright tell me.

When will the "War on Terror" end?
 
2012-04-28 08:20:14 AM

foo monkey: born_yesterday: foo monkey: Nadie_AZ: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

The only reason Bush got away with Iraq was because of 9/11. No way anyone would have said 'do it' otherwise.

People are tired of offensive wars. Let Iran and Israel square off. Without our money or weapons or man power.

I agree, but there's no way the Jews will have that. Our government panders to them more than the Catholics. Billions of our tax dollars go to help people fight over sand, because HOLOCAUST. Israel's a tough country. They've got F-16s and nukes. They can hold their own. They've done it before and they can do it again. We shouldn't sacrifice our men and women for their war, when we can sell them weapons and achieve the same result.

Exactly. We sell them weapons, maybe send over some advisers...what could possibly go wrong?

My father, a Navy officer of 23 years and Vietnam veteran, has a ratty t-shirt he wears sometimes. On the front is a picture of Vietnam. The caption reads, "Southeast Asian Wargames: 1965-1972. Second Place." I don't think he gets the joke, but I wish I could find him a fresh one to wear.


Link

This one?
 
2012-04-28 08:21:03 AM

Mrtraveler01: winterwhile: wars end

entitlements never end

Alright tell me.

When will the "War on Terror" end?


When we aren't scared any more.
 
2012-04-28 08:21:16 AM

contrapunctus: Sorry, I'm just not buying it. As of now, between the operation in Libya and Obama's success in killing bin Laden, there's too much political capital at stake.


Obama's weak point is the economy.
Iran, because it sells oil, because it threatens the strait of Hormuz and because it is a founding member of OPEC, holds no small amount of control over our energy supply. They will define our economy in November.
If they decide to grab the president by the balls (it IS election season, after all), the fastest way to undo that grip is to chop off their hand.

Unless Iran pushes the issue further then it will end at a few bombing runs. But its enough to assert our dominance, reopen the gulf, and give the President one last patriotic boost before the polls open.
If he doesn't do it then gas prices spike and frustrated citizens might decide Obama has had enough chances.

/He stumbled on health care reformed, he isn't pro-pot or anti gun, and he didn't come out in favor of Gay Marriage or change the tone of Washington politics.
/The one thing he's had unquestioned success in is war.
/Also, Syria is still acting up. If Iran doesn't earn an airstrike, there's always the guy next door.
/Taking their command and control out will require alot of stealth firepower.
/"Obama the liberator" has a nice ring to it.
 
2012-04-28 08:22:37 AM

Hobodeluxe: tomWright: U.S. enters WWI: President Wilson, Democrat
U.S. enters WWII: President Roosevelt, Democrat and we are still there (Japan, Germany, etc)
U.S. enters Korea: President Truman, Democrat and we are still there
U.S. enters Vietnam as 'advisers': President Kennedy, Democrat
U.S. escalates involvement in Vietnam to full scale war: President Johnson, Democrat

Yes, I am leaving out the Republican ones, as well as many minor ones from all sides, like 'Monica's Missiles' from Clinton's era, not to mention the Bush family feud in Iraq. This list is just to show that Democrats are not immune to the call to war that politics or events can drive them to. If you think Obama will not go into Iran, you are assuming much. I hope he does not, but I have no way to know what is going to happen and no one else does either, but a very few at the top.

Politics will decide this. If Obama feels politically vulnerable, the temptations to appeal to patriotic jingoism will be great.

Need I remind you that WWII was declared by the axis on us when they attacked Pearl Harbor? I doubt Roosevelt went into it thinking he needed it to be reelected.


"the call to war that politics or events can drive them to"

That said, Germany declared war as a result of Japan attacking the US, they were backing their treaty partner. Japan attacked because of the actions of FDR in the Pacific, including getting the Dutch to stop trading oil with them. (Why is it so often oil?).

FDR was rightly outraged over the actions of Japan in China and was using diplomatic channels and foreign policy to enforce sanctions. Japan walked out of The League of Nations of this. However, FDR completely misread Japans intent and willingness to respond militarily. He screwed the pooch regarding Japan. Prior to the Pearl Harbor attack, there was huge sentiment against getting into another war. WWI was still remembered by the country, many had fought in it, and they wanted nothing to do with another one. Even the idea of 'lend/lease', where the U.S. supplied weapons, but no troops, to Britain was extremely controversial.

So even though we were attacked, and had no realistic choice but to respond, I count WWII because we were drawn in due to diplomatic and foreign policy bungling by FDR*.

Would we have been drawn in anyway? Who knows. that is all speculation. Once knowledge of the death camps in Europe became common knowledge who knows what would have happened. We have been drawn into wars for less noble reasons than to stop a genocide, but then, we let Rwanda happen, so...

*(Bungling has lead to other wars, like Spanish-American and Iraq 1, and almost lead us into a nuclear war with Russia over Cuba.)
 
2012-04-28 08:23:16 AM

way south: contrapunctus: Sorry, I'm just not buying it. As of now, between the operation in Libya and Obama's success in killing bin Laden, there's too much political capital at stake.

Obama's weak point is the economy.
Iran, because it sells oil, because it threatens the strait of Hormuz and because it is a founding member of OPEC, holds no small amount of control over our energy supply. They will define our economy in November.
If they decide to grab the president by the balls (it IS election season, after all), the fastest way to undo that grip is to chop off their hand.

Unless Iran pushes the issue further then it will end at a few bombing runs. But its enough to assert our dominance, reopen the gulf, and give the President one last patriotic boost before the polls open.
If he doesn't do it then gas prices spike and frustrated citizens might decide Obama has had enough chances.

/He stumbled on health care reformed, he isn't pro-pot or anti gun, and he didn't come out in favor of Gay Marriage or change the tone of Washington politics.
/The one thing he's had unquestioned success in is war.
/Also, Syria is still acting up. If Iran doesn't earn an airstrike, there's always the guy next door.
/Taking their command and control out will require alot of stealth firepower.
/"Obama the liberator" has a nice ring to it.


Well, that's a plausible scenario, but I wouldn't bet anything I value highly on it coming to pass.
 
2012-04-28 08:24:19 AM

jso2897: Mrtraveler01: winterwhile: wars end

entitlements never end

Alright tell me.

When will the "War on Terror" end?

When we aren't scared any more.


I'm more bored than terrified by this point.

Does that mean we won?
 
2012-04-28 08:24:47 AM
a lot of the GOP shills must be watching the wind being taken out of the sails of their Halliburton retirement funds. shame
 
2012-04-28 08:30:21 AM
I'm Glenn Greenwald and the hardon I have for exterminating all the Jews is big enough to see from space.
 
2012-04-28 08:40:28 AM

gameshowhost: It's not like the GOP has been begging for it for ye... wait, they've been begging for it for years.


Hey! I am thinking Obama is saber rattling so the GOP starts crying that we shouldn't attack Iran.
 
2012-04-28 08:41:14 AM

shower_in_my_socks: WE AREN'T GOING TO START IT.


Too late. We started it in 1953.
 
2012-04-28 08:43:13 AM

freetomato: bonobo73: freetomato: God willing, my husband and I can kick off our combat boots for good within a year. He is active duty AF and I am Air Guard. We've spent more than half of our 7 year marriage apart. We are done. 48 years combined service. Someone else's turn to sacrifice. Armchair warriors, care to volunteer? Your kids, perhaps? Thanks!

An awfully smug attitude from someone that literally never had their boots on the ground. Plan to have any of your kids or nephews and nieces make up for it by serving in the Army or Marines?

*Sigh* I'll bite.

Ask any soldier or marine how glad they are to see aircraft/airpower support from above when in a tight spot.

You have no clue what the USAF does, do you?

And yes, asshole, my son is an Army ROTC cadet - a commission upon graduation in 2 years. Our family has walked the walk, and continues to. And you and yours have done......?

Forget it - whatever. I won't get into a patriotic urinary Olympiad with you or your ilk. Nothing to prove.


There's NOTHING patriotic about serving in the military.

/ veteran.
 
2012-04-28 08:47:27 AM

cman: NFA: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

A friend of mine just came back from Abu Dhabi and he said unless something big happens to change the plan, we're going to do it.

I criticize Obama a lot, but even I am not that jaded to believe that he would do this. There is no way Obama will attack Iran. None.


Indeed. And he'd lose so much support if he tried such a thing. Unlike you, I am a big fan of Obama, but if he starts another war, I'll vote for Mitt Romney in a heartbeat. When will these clowns understand? WE ARE FARKING SICK OF POINTLESS OFFENSIVE WARS. The Bush administration was an outlier, not setting precedent.
 
2012-04-28 08:48:01 AM

Gyrfalcon: Weaver95: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

I think it more likely that Israel will start the war, then quickly get in over their heads and scream bloody murder for the USA to come bail 'em out.

Sounds about right.


Yeah because that's historically accurate given previous examples
/sarcasm
//Kick all the ass AGAIN in six days.
///Iranians and all the other Jew hating Holocaust re-enactment supporters have it coming.
 
2012-04-28 08:48:48 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Unlike you, I am a big fan of Obama, but if he starts another war, I'll vote for Mitt Romney in a heartbeat. When will these clowns understand? WE ARE FARKING SICK OF POINTLESS OFFENSIVE WARS


The worst part is the moment Romney heard about Obama declaring war he'd start campaigning on declaring a bigger, more profitable war.
 
2012-04-28 08:49:07 AM

Weaver95: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

I think it more likely that Israel will start the war, then quickly get in over their heads and scream bloody murder for the USA to come bail 'em out.


So? Israel can yell and scream all they want, we have no obligation to help them. And we'd better not, not if they're the aggressors!
 
2012-04-28 08:53:18 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Weaver95: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

I think it more likely that Israel will start the war, then quickly get in over their heads and scream bloody murder for the USA to come bail 'em out.

So? Israel can yell and scream all they want, we have no obligation to help them. And we'd better not, not if they're the aggressors!


No we have to help Israel regardless if they're the aggressors or not because if we don't help them no matter what, it means we're Anti-Semites...or something.
 
2012-04-28 08:53:43 AM

PonceAlyosha: HMS_Blinkin: Unlike you, I am a big fan of Obama, but if he starts another war, I'll vote for Mitt Romney in a heartbeat. When will these clowns understand? WE ARE FARKING SICK OF POINTLESS OFFENSIVE WARS

The worst part is the moment Romney heard about Obama declaring war he'd start campaigning on declaring a bigger, more profitable war.


Not if Obama based the war on a past and very successful and well-liked war that Romney implemented as Governor of Massachusetts. Then Romney would repudiate the whole idea and say it was the biggest mistake of his life, and that a war that works for Mass. doesn't work for the whole country.
 
2012-04-28 09:05:56 AM

HMS_Blinkin: PonceAlyosha: HMS_Blinkin: Unlike you, I am a big fan of Obama, but if he starts another war, I'll vote for Mitt Romney in a heartbeat. When will these clowns understand? WE ARE FARKING SICK OF POINTLESS OFFENSIVE WARS

The worst part is the moment Romney heard about Obama declaring war he'd start campaigning on declaring a bigger, more profitable war.

Not if Obama based the war on a past and very successful and well-liked war that Romney implemented as Governor of Massachusetts. Then Romney would repudiate the whole idea and say it was the biggest mistake of his life, and that a war that works for Mass. doesn't work for the whole country.


I don't know why, but that made me laugh.
 
2012-04-28 09:06:44 AM

Harry_Seldon: Technically, Iran's current government was responsible for invasion of US territory, and violated our territorial sovereignty in 1979. Clearly an act of war.


Just out of interest, how do you feel about the way that the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian airliner just minutes after it had taken off, and while it was still in Iranian farking airspace, back in 1987, killing 290 innocent civilians including 66 children?

Clearly an act of war?
 
2012-04-28 09:09:08 AM

Corporate Self: Can't we let Israel take the lead on this? Why do keep putting our fellow Americans in harms way for other countries?


1.7% of the vote.

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Precious, precious votes.
 
2012-04-28 09:15:29 AM

RanDomino: cman
Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

Who better?


cameroncrazy1984
Why do I feel like if they were quietly doing something with stealth aircraft...we wouldn't know about it?

The number of stories like this might suggest that the point is to intimidate Iran. Their only real countermeasure is the threat of shutting down the Strait and blowing up the US economy. If they can be convinced that they won't be able to do that, then their best option would be to allow inspectors rather than face an Israeli attack backed up by the US armada.

Iran had a larger army and a larger population than israel, don't they?

Are you serious?


Mrtraveler01
Good thing we don't get much oil from Iran then.

Seriously?


Yeah, farking seriously. try reading up on some shiat, idiot.
 
2012-04-28 09:15:54 AM

Rozotorical: Iran isn't a country I think anyone would want to take on single handedly. No way Isreal goes in on it's own.


it'll be an air war, Israels air force can take Irans air force. Israel is perfectly capable of taking on Iran single handedly.
 
2012-04-28 09:16:18 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Corporate Self: Can't we let Israel take the lead on this? Why do keep putting our fellow Americans in harms way for other countries?

1.7% of the vote.

[img196.imageshack.us image 200x793]

Precious, precious votes.


Mormons?

/not serious
 
2012-04-28 09:18:09 AM

DirkValentine: RanDomino: cman
Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

Who better?


cameroncrazy1984
Why do I feel like if they were quietly doing something with stealth aircraft...we wouldn't know about it?

The number of stories like this might suggest that the point is to intimidate Iran. Their only real countermeasure is the threat of shutting down the Strait and blowing up the US economy. If they can be convinced that they won't be able to do that, then their best option would be to allow inspectors rather than face an Israeli attack backed up by the US armada.

Iran had a larger army and a larger population than israel, don't they?

Are you serious?


Mrtraveler01
Good thing we don't get much oil from Iran then.

Seriously?

Yeah, farking seriously. try reading up on some shiat, idiot.


I thought that was meant for me for a sec.

But yeah guys, Iran doesn't have that much oil in relation to its neighbors and the oil it does have goes to Europe.

The only influence Iran has on oil is controlling traffic in the Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Persian Gulf.
 
2012-04-28 09:20:03 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Corporate Self: Can't we let Israel take the lead on this? Why do keep putting our fellow Americans in harms way for other countries?

1.7% of the vote.

[img196.imageshack.us image 200x793]

Precious, precious votes.


That 78% Christians have an affinity for the Jewish people, since you know, Christians worship a Jewish carpenter turned anti-establishment priest.

"..And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small café in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything... "
 
2012-04-28 09:32:08 AM
That article read like an advert for military hardware.
 
2012-04-28 09:32:58 AM

tomWright: Hobodeluxe: tomWright: U.S. enters WWI: President Wilson, Democrat
U.S. enters WWII: President Roosevelt, Democrat and we are still there (Japan, Germany, etc)
U.S. enters Korea: President Truman, Democrat and we are still there
U.S. enters Vietnam as 'advisers': President Kennedy, Democrat
U.S. escalates involvement in Vietnam to full scale war: President Johnson, Democrat

Yes, I am leaving out the Republican ones, as well as many minor ones from all sides, like 'Monica's Missiles' from Clinton's era, not to mention the Bush family feud in Iraq. This list is just to show that Democrats are not immune to the call to war that politics or events can drive them to. If you think Obama will not go into Iran, you are assuming much. I hope he does not, but I have no way to know what is going to happen and no one else does either, but a very few at the top.

Politics will decide this. If Obama feels politically vulnerable, the temptations to appeal to patriotic jingoism will be great.

Need I remind you that WWII was declared by the axis on us when they attacked Pearl Harbor? I doubt Roosevelt went into it thinking he needed it to be reelected.

"the call to war that politics or events can drive them to"

That said, Germany declared war as a result of Japan attacking the US, they were backing their treaty partner. Japan attacked because of the actions of FDR in the Pacific, including getting the Dutch to stop trading oil with them. (Why is it so often oil?).

FDR was rightly outraged over the actions of Japan in China and was using diplomatic channels and foreign policy to enforce sanctions. Japan walked out of The League of Nations of this. However, FDR completely misread Japans intent and willingness to respond militarily. He screwed the pooch regarding Japan. Prior to the Pearl Harbor attack, there was huge sentiment against getting into another war. WWI was still remembered by the country, many had fought in it, and they wanted nothing to do with another one. Even the ...



FDR knew about the death camps and didn't care. The progressive movement at that time was very much involved in eugenics and racial purity, things Hitler too cared about.

In 1939, FDR refused refuge for about 1000 ,aboard the SS St. Louis, Jews fleeing Nazi Germany.

Then later, he would decide to lock up US citizens that had Asian, Italian or German descent.
 
2012-04-28 09:34:10 AM
t2.gstatic.com


Gentlemen, we've waited a long time to hear this. In exactly five hours and 17 minutes, we hit the enemy toast.

I think that's the enemy coast, sir.

Huh? Coast? That'll take a little more planning. But it doesn't matter. Our assignment is to knock out the nuclear-weapons plant at Falafel Heights. The plant goes on line in 12 hours and is heavily defended. Now, if you have trouble hitting your objective, you secondary targets are here and here:

an accordion factory and a mime school.
 
2012-04-28 09:37:47 AM

Mrtraveler01: DirkValentine: RanDomino: cman
Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

Who better?


cameroncrazy1984
Why do I feel like if they were quietly doing something with stealth aircraft...we wouldn't know about it?

The number of stories like this might suggest that the point is to intimidate Iran. Their only real countermeasure is the threat of shutting down the Strait and blowing up the US economy. If they can be convinced that they won't be able to do that, then their best option would be to allow inspectors rather than face an Israeli attack backed up by the US armada.

Iran had a larger army and a larger population than israel, don't they?

Are you serious?


Mrtraveler01
Good thing we don't get much oil from Iran then.

Seriously?

Yeah, farking seriously. try reading up on some shiat, idiot.

I thought that was meant for me for a sec.

But yeah guys, Iran doesn't have that much oil in relation to its neighbors and the oil it does have goes to Europe.

The only influence Iran has on oil is controlling traffic in the Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Persian Gulf.


Oh, yeah, sorry about that. I can be mean to you, though, if you want? But I couldn't do it in good conscience without you being retarded first.

: )
 
2012-04-28 09:40:42 AM
I think the UN should preemptively condemn Israel for a war that hasn't happened. Then if it doesn't happen they can condemn Israel for tricking them into thinking there was going to be a war. Remember, whenever anything bad happens in the Middle East, it's Israel's fault! Syrians murdering their own people? Israel's fault! Egyptian military stage a de facto coup? Israel's fault! Kurds being disenfranchised in Iraq? Israel's fault!

I suspect American saber-rattling around Iran is just that--saber-rattling. The same goes for the Israelis, although the Israelis have a more legitimate reason to be concerned about Iran. Remember for the past 80 years (before that countries let their people kill Jews but didn't generally make it a matter of national policy) whenever a nation-state says "You know what? Let's kill all the Jews," inevitably they try to kill all the Jews. During World War II, in places like Poland and the Ukraine the response to German invasion more often than not was "Hey, it looks like you're killing Jews. Can we help?" And they did. When Israel was born the surrounding Arab countries overtly stated their goal was to kill all the Jews, and they tried to do so, over and over and over. So when the Iranians say "We want to kill all the Jews" and incidentally start working on a nuclear program, why should the Israelis doubt them? Oops, I forgot, whatever happens, it's Israel's fault.
 
2012-04-28 09:48:24 AM
If there is any truth to this, Obama is looking to alienate his base. I'm no pacifist, but he won't get my vote doing that kind of crap.

/getting outta here when ww3 breaks out. Fark tha noise!
 
2012-04-28 09:50:14 AM

TheEdibleSnuggie: Why amass a bunch of F-22's and F-15's when one of these will do just fine:

[www.titan-ii.com image 640x794]


Delivered in 30 minutes or it's free. I don't even care anymore, and seriously, what's the point of having these things IF YOU NEVER ARE GOING TO USE THEM.


Daniel Larusso could have answered that and he was just a high school loser.
 
2012-04-28 09:50:31 AM

NephilimNexus: I honestly am starting to feel sorry for Iran. Not their government, mind you, but all the innocent people living there who've never really done anything to the USA whom have already been sentenced to death by bombing. For over a year now they've known that the USA is going to kill them because... heck, do they even need a reason? And there is nothing that they can do to stop it. They can't even preemptively surrender, because the USA is not going to change it's mind for any reason. The bombs will drop, the innocent people will die, and there isn't anything the general public in either country can do to prevent it. They're all living on death row, already tried and convicted by the USA of the unforgivable crime of simply existing.

But hey, at least we're better than those terrorists, right?


Terrorist bombs spread terror, our bombs spread freedom. Yeah, right.

I'll never forget the country-wide orgasm as the "shock and awe" bombing of Baghdad was watched from the comfort of their couches. We watched thousands of civilians get bombed, and many cheered on how awesome we were. We shattered their infrastructure so we could pay the right people to do a shiatty job of rebuilding it. And now we're probably going to do it again.
 
2012-04-28 09:52:26 AM

bluenovaman: If there is any truth to this, Obama is looking to alienate his base. I'm no pacifist, but he won't get my vote doing that kind of crap.

/getting outta here when ww3 breaks out. Fark tha noise!


Seriously. Is there a kickstarter I could support for a spot on an orbital colony or something? Because it's becoming very clear that this planet is farked.
 
2012-04-28 09:54:36 AM

freetomato: Zing!

In our unit, the primary mission is to watch out for the kids on the ground - to make sure the road ahead is clear and safe. My husband calls "all clear" from above; I make sure that their shiat is all in one sock before they leave. If you think those are unimportant, then you have never served, and you are welcome to scoff all you want. And by all means, root for kicking A-Rab Ass from your armchair. That helps.


Not sure if really self entitled or just really really brainwashed.
No I will not "root" for a decade long occupation of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Want to go after "A-Rab Ass" to avenge the 9/11 attacks? Invade Egypt Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, or STFU.
 
2012-04-28 09:55:47 AM

DirkValentine: Mrtraveler01: DirkValentine: RanDomino: cman
Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

Who better?


cameroncrazy1984
Why do I feel like if they were quietly doing something with stealth aircraft...we wouldn't know about it?

The number of stories like this might suggest that the point is to intimidate Iran. Their only real countermeasure is the threat of shutting down the Strait and blowing up the US economy. If they can be convinced that they won't be able to do that, then their best option would be to allow inspectors rather than face an Israeli attack backed up by the US armada.

Iran had a larger army and a larger population than israel, don't they?

Are you serious?


Mrtraveler01
Good thing we don't get much oil from Iran then.

Seriously?

Yeah, farking seriously. try reading up on some shiat, idiot.

I thought that was meant for me for a sec.

But yeah guys, Iran doesn't have that much oil in relation to its neighbors and the oil it does have goes to Europe.

The only influence Iran has on oil is controlling traffic in the Strait of Hormuz at the mouth of the Persian Gulf.

Oh, yeah, sorry about that. I can be mean to you, though, if you want? But I couldn't do it in good conscience without you being retarded first.

: )


Let me channel my inner-winterwhile and I'll get back to you on that. ;)
 
2012-04-28 09:58:00 AM

freetomato: /amused by the strategists on fark who have never worn a uniform yet speak with authority


I'm amused that people who sit in air conditioned offices thousands of miles away from the battlefield try and play the holier than thou card when they could have quit a long time ago and done something actually patriotic, like starting a charity in America, running for political office, peace corps, etc.

I guess that settles it, you ARE a self entitled immature kid at heart. No, we will not worship you for wearing the uniform, nothing you did was unique and special, you are just another number in the military industrial complex. You are an enemy of peace. Nobody should worship stormtroopers.
 
2012-04-28 09:59:55 AM
I guess it is comforting that it is just the known trolls left rooting for a war. But, it is still a bit disturbing that people would spend their time on an internet message board rooting for a war with Iran.

Unfortunately, the defense industry has to be fed. Whether it is this President or the next Republican...there will be a war with Iran.

I can only hope that my friends and I (along with our children) are not caught up in the worthless death and destruction.
 
2012-04-28 10:01:00 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Corporate Self: Can't we let Israel take the lead on this? Why do keep putting our fellow Americans in harms way for other countries?

1.7% of the vote.

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Precious, precious votes.


Precious, precious money. That 1.7% gives a whopping 70% of all campaign donations.

It's could arguably be more, of course, when you consider someone like Newt, whose entire campaign was funded by a single one of that 1.7%, and that Goldman Sachs tops the list of donators for either party.

And don't forget precious, precious overrepresentation by factors of tens. Over half of Romney-the-inevitable's official advisors, for instance, belong to that group-- as does, of course, the the man who ran and is running our current President's campaign, as well as countless others who reside in the current White House in record numbers.
 
2012-04-28 10:01:59 AM

clambam: I think the UN should preemptively condemn Israel for a war that hasn't happened. Then if it doesn't happen they can condemn Israel for tricking them into thinking there was going to be a war. Remember, whenever anything bad happens in the Middle East, it's Israel's fault! Syrians murdering their own people? Israel's fault! Egyptian military stage a de facto coup? Israel's fault! Kurds being disenfranchised in Iraq? Israel's fault!


Nice straw man, you disingenous prick. Israel has been mentioned maybe once or twice in this thread. Grow the fark up.

CRY MOAR!1!!!
 
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