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2012-04-28 04:03:05 AM  

Somacandra: There was another recent Fark article of dubious import stating that Russia is massing its own forces near its relevant borders in preparation for anything that goes down. Perhaps there is some connection (if this turns out to be true at all)


That would make things interesting.
 
2012-04-28 04:08:56 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: freetomato: bonobo73: freetomato: God willing, my husband and I can kick off our combat boots for good within a year. He is active duty AF and I am Air Guard. We've spent more than half of our 7 year marriage apart. We are done. 48 years combined service. Someone else's turn to sacrifice. Armchair warriors, care to volunteer? Your kids, perhaps? Thanks!

An awfully smug attitude from someone that literally never had their boots on the ground. Plan to have any of your kids or nephews and nieces make up for it by serving in the Army or Marines?

*Sigh* I'll bite.

Ask any soldier or marine how glad they are to see aircraft/airpower support from above when in a tight spot.

You have no clue what the USAF does, do you?

And yes, asshole, my son is an Army ROTC cadet - a commission upon graduation in 2 years. Our family has walked the walk, and continues to. And you and yours have done......?

Forget it - whatever. I won't get into a patriotic urinary Olympiad with you or your ilk. Nothing to prove.

Hey, first of let me say thank you for you service, I mean that from the bottom of my heart, and I wish your son the best in his service to his country. Again thank you and yours and I wish the best.

Although it takes some farking nerve to ask what a citizen has done for there country(implied) best troll ever!!!

And yea I'm hoping that was a troll or well there is no country worth fighting for.


And I'm comfortable with that. You have my 100% approval to cease any fighting you are engaged in.
 
2012-04-28 04:15:25 AM  

freetomato: God willing, my husband and I can kick off our combat boots for good within a year. He is active duty AF and I am Air Guard. We've spent more than half of our 7 year marriage apart. We are done. 48 years combined service. Someone else's turn to sacrifice. Armchair warriors, care to volunteer? Your kids, perhaps? Thanks!


Why would you participate in a war of aggression against a country that has NEVER done ANYTHING to us? Thank god my mother raised me to NOT BE A NAZI.
 
2012-04-28 04:20:14 AM  

bonobo73: tinfoil-hat maggie: freetomato: bonobo73: freetomato: God willing, my husband and I can kick off our combat boots for good within a year. He is active duty AF and I am Air Guard. We've spent more than half of our 7 year marriage apart. We are done. 48 years combined service. Someone else's turn to sacrifice. Armchair warriors, care to volunteer? Your kids, perhaps? Thanks!

An awfully smug attitude from someone that literally never had their boots on the ground. Plan to have any of your kids or nephews and nieces make up for it by serving in the Army or Marines?

*Sigh* I'll bite.

Ask any soldier or marine how glad they are to see aircraft/airpower support from above when in a tight spot.

You have no clue what the USAF does, do you?

And yes, asshole, my son is an Army ROTC cadet - a commission upon graduation in 2 years. Our family has walked the walk, and continues to. And you and yours have done......?

Forget it - whatever. I won't get into a patriotic urinary Olympiad with you or your ilk. Nothing to prove.

Hey, first of let me say thank you for you service, I mean that from the bottom of my heart, and I wish your son the best in his service to his country. Again thank you and yours and I wish the best.

Although it takes some farking nerve to ask what a citizen has done for there country(implied) best troll ever!!!

And yea I'm hoping that was a troll or well there is no country worth fighting for.

And I'm comfortable with that. You have my 100% approval to cease any fighting you are engaged in.


Oh, no fighting, really, I am a pacifist. And I learned to read all of the sudden : )
 
2012-04-28 04:24:51 AM  

DrPainMD: Why would you participate in a war of aggression against a country that has NEVER done ANYTHING to us? Thank god my mother raised me to NOT BE A NAZI.


Technically, Iran's current government was responsible for invasion of US territory, and violated our territorial sovereignty in 1979. Clearly an act of war.
 
2012-04-28 04:37:20 AM  

Harry_Seldon: DrPainMD: Why would you participate in a war of aggression against a country that has NEVER done ANYTHING to us? Thank god my mother raised me to NOT BE A NAZI.

Technically, Iran's current government was responsible for invasion of US territory, and violated our territorial sovereignty in 1979. Clearly an act of war.


Oh you : )
They didn't start touching us first in the back of mom's car.
And yea we need to turn it around not them.
 
2012-04-28 05:03:30 AM  

Harry_Seldon: DrPainMD: Why would you participate in a war of aggression against a country that has NEVER done ANYTHING to us? Thank god my mother raised me to NOT BE A NAZI.

Technically, Iran's current government was responsible for invasion of US territory, and violated our territorial sovereignty in 1979. Clearly an act of war.


Link
 
2012-04-28 05:08:20 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Harry_Seldon: DrPainMD: Why would you participate in a war of aggression against a country that has NEVER done ANYTHING to us? Thank god my mother raised me to NOT BE A NAZI.

Technically, Iran's current government was responsible for invasion of US territory, and violated our territorial sovereignty in 1979. Clearly an act of war.

Oh you : )
They didn't start touching us first in the back of mom's car.
And yea we need to turn it around not them.


I worked for 3 years as a Congressional staffer after grad school. I wrote position papers for my Congressman. I just wrote the stuff supporting a position, it wasn't my fault. The pay for being a toady wasn't very good.
 
2012-04-28 05:28:53 AM  

gameshowhost: It's not like the GOP has been begging for it for ye... wait, they've been begging for it for years.


There are some in the GOP for sure, but this is a long term containment strategy.

The hawks are few; most want to scatter cells of terrorists with ties to Iran, support the growing pro-Western attitudes among the populace, and provide a strong and present deterrent to Iran should it's regime become (more) hostile - rather than drop nukes on Tehran.

I don't think the Cold War-esque strategy is going to work, though.
 
2012-04-28 05:32:26 AM  
Somacandra: I doubt any executive is capable of convincing the American people to support a pre-emptive war. However, I do think some sort of "Gulf of Tonkin" situation is possible, especially if some perceived small harm comes to either Israel or Saudi Arabia or both.

Forget Saudi and Israel, most of America doesn't give a fat rat's ass about either of them. They will have to kill Americans to get the USA involved in a shooting war. All it will take is an incident involving one of our naval vessels in the Persian Gulf. I'm guessing that the United States will use a mine against one of their own ships and then blame it on Iran.

But this may not be an attack. Beyond the Jews and their corrupt control of the American Congress, Obama is controlled by the military industrial complex, and he needs their money to be re-elected. Currently the two completely fabricated "supply line" wars of Iraq and Afghanistan are winding down, and people have been calling for an end to them. Without a boogie man to scare the American people, those occupations and the lucrative gravy train for the military industrial complex will come to a halt real soon. Also remember that the majority of the senior officers in the American military are in a revolving door situation with most of the major players of the military industrial complex, where they go directly from an executive position in the military to an executive position for Betchel Infrastructure or Halliburton. As we have seen from the ineptness and extreme corruption in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past ten years, this is without a doubt the sorriest group of senior officers that America has ever had to endure--our supposed best and brightest generals have outed themselves many times over as corrupt self serving politicians, not military leaders following a coherent plan.

So the boogie man is Iran and their nukes. They don't need to attack them, all they need to do is to crank up the think tanks and manure the American media with make believe stories of how evil Iran is. Then all those planes and ships in the area will be "needed" to control Iran, and of course, the threatened supply line will be "needed" as well.
 
2012-04-28 05:35:22 AM  
(ctrl+f: "Glass Parking Lot")

Bad Fark. Bad, bad Fark.
 
2012-04-28 06:12:18 AM  
As long as Haliburton, KB&R, Blackwater and every other privatized military-esque company exists and has the pockets of every politician lined with the blood of our children, America will never be without war.
 
2012-04-28 06:16:14 AM  
The US is quietly positioning a lot of stealth aircraft near Iran.

Not quietly enough, and they're hardly "stealth" if everyone knows they're there.
 
2012-04-28 06:20:47 AM  
Isn't it adorable how Americans love to make and watch movies about being invaded and fighting back? If not from Aliens, then from the Russians, South Americans, Chinese, or North Koreans (HA!).....

And yet the only ones doing the invading are the Americans themselves? Isn't that just adorable how we do things to other people we don't want done to ourselves?

I think it's cute. Especially since all of our gained tactics and weapons tech will most likely be used by our government against us one day. Soon. If not already in many circumstances.
 
2012-04-28 06:30:37 AM  

EnviroDude: should be an interesting war. We just gave them our drone technology and now we are going to bomb them from 30,000 feet until they nuke Israel.

get the popcorn ready young men, you are going to go to the Middle East (what better way to put unemployed graduates to work than to draft them for WWIV.


I get the sense that Americans are going to be REALLY upset if we go to war with Iran. Not so much in a "But the Iranian people aren't our enemies" sort of way (despite their consistently measured responses to our belligerence, plenty in the US seem to buy the absurd line that the Ayatollah is the global terrorist puppet-master), but rather in a "Oh My farking God; not this bullshiat again" kind of way. If Obama thinks bombing Iran is going to increase his domestic support, he's got another thing coming. Union citizens don't want another war, period.
 
2012-04-28 06:38:39 AM  

SkunkWerks: The US is quietly positioning a lot of stealth aircraft near Iran.

Not quietly enough, and they're hardly "stealth" if everyone knows they're there.


came to say this. Why spend loads of money making a plane `stealth` then go around telling everyone where they are?

It`s almost as though a gradual buildup of forces in the media gives weight to the lie of a building conflict...
 
2012-04-28 06:39:51 AM  

cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?


Does he really need to? I point you to Libya, a campaign carried out not only over the objections of Congress, but in the face of significant popular opposition. After nearly four years of continuing torture, drone bombings that make more enemies than they kill, the continuance from the Bush years of a counter-terrorism policy that has destabilized two formerly allied regimes and poisoned the well of cooperation in Afghanistan and much of East Africa, a refusal to even investigate, let alone punish, the clear crimes of social elites despite popular support for doing so, a slashing of support to state and local governments that has undone whatever benefit his initial stimulus plan had, and the continued championing on the White House's part of deeply unpopular internet eaves-dropping and censorship bills, can anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could give a damn what the American people think of his policies?
 
2012-04-28 06:41:12 AM  

cman: Nadie_AZ: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

The only reason Bush got away with Iraq was because of 9/11. No way anyone would have said 'do it' otherwise.

People are tired of offensive wars. Let Iran and Israel square off. Without our money or weapons or man power.

9/11 wasnt the sole reason. The US had been pushing Saddam as the boogie man for years. Worked so well they even had pro-war marches.


Not nearly as big as the anti-war ones, but you'd never know that from how completely the media ignored the anti-war movement.
 
2012-04-28 06:41:41 AM  

freetomato: God willing, my husband and I can kick off our combat boots for good within a year. He is active duty AF and I am Air Guard. We've spent more than half of our 7 year marriage apart. We are done. 48 years combined service. Someone else's turn to sacrifice. Armchair warriors, care to volunteer? Your kids, perhaps? Thanks!


Sacrifice for what? The political glory of some assholes in Washington and the bloodlust of warmongers in Jerusalem? No thanks, my momma didn't raise no dummy.

/did you buy the "protecting our freedoms" line or did you do it for college money?
 
2012-04-28 06:45:47 AM  
They need to fly a specially-outfitted "BACON" drone with the fighters so that they can communicate with each other? Gee, that sounds like a failsafe plan.

Has anybody read the Arthur C. Clarke short story "Superiority"? Hopefully the Iranians haven't.
 
2012-04-28 06:46:07 AM  

coco ebert: [www.ippnw-students.org image 330x295]


My God; look at those dastardly Persian monsters, brazenly continuing to exist right at us! If we don't decide to slaughter hundreds of innocent Iranian civilians with cluster bombs RIGHT NOW, then the whole world will soon be eating Tah-chin and dancing the Bandari! This Iranian quest for world dominance cannot be allowed to stand!1!!
 
2012-04-28 06:49:43 AM  

Harry_Seldon: DrPainMD: Why would you participate in a war of aggression against a country that has NEVER done ANYTHING to us? Thank god my mother raised me to NOT BE A NAZI.

Technically, Iran's current government was responsible for invasion of US territory, and violated our territorial sovereignty in 1979. Clearly an act of war.


After only 26 years of us waging war, more or less continuously, against them. HOW DARE THEY!!!
 
2012-04-28 06:50:42 AM  

Weaver95: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

I think it more likely that Israel will start the war, then quickly get in over their heads and scream bloody murder for the USA to come bail 'em out.


Israel doesn't really have the capacity to bomb most of Iran's nuclear sites. It's difficult to say definitively they won't attack openly given the irrationality of that regime, but my read of it is that all this war talk from the ethnic chauvinist faction in Israel is more an attempt to bluff the US, and Obama who Netanyahu obviously sees as being deeply inferior to him, into attacking Iran without Israel having to put its forces in any danger.
 
2012-04-28 06:54:37 AM  

DrPainMD: Harry_Seldon: DrPainMD: Why would you participate in a war of aggression against a country that has NEVER done ANYTHING to us? Thank god my mother raised me to NOT BE A NAZI.

Technically, Iran's current government was responsible for invasion of US territory, and violated our territorial sovereignty in 1979. Clearly an act of war.

After only 26 years of us waging war, more or less continuously, against them. HOW DARE THEY!!!


We have every right and obligation to....aww Fark it....where are the pictures of hot Persian women at?
 
2012-04-28 06:56:25 AM  
Iran is not stupid enough to provoke America or Israel into an attack. They just aren't as stupid as Teabaggers.
 
2012-04-28 06:57:13 AM  

Somacandra: I doubt any executive is capable of convincing the American people to support a pre-emptive war. However, I do think some sort of "Gulf of Tonkin" situation is possible, especially if some perceived small harm comes to either Israel or Saudi Arabia or both.


Grenada
 
2012-04-28 06:58:47 AM  

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: Plus America holding back Saudi Arabia

Is that the case?

For about two decades, I've kept hearing that many Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, would love to see Iran (non-Arab) knocked down and so would overtly make a show of condemning Israel but actually do nothing, or even covertly provide support.

Not that I know shiat.


The Saudi regime might be for it, but the actual people of Saudi Arabia, and the region generally, don't see Iran as a threat and really dislike US military involvement in their part of the world. In fact, polls have consistently shown the people of the Near East think of us as the biggest threat to peace in the region for decades.
 
2012-04-28 07:05:52 AM  

Heron: EnviroDude: should be an interesting war. We just gave them our drone technology and now we are going to bomb them from 30,000 feet until they nuke Israel.

get the popcorn ready young men, you are going to go to the Middle East (what better way to put unemployed graduates to work than to draft them for WWIV.

I get the sense that Americans are going to be REALLY upset if we go to war with Iran. Not so much in a "But the Iranian people aren't our enemies" sort of way (despite their consistently measured responses to our belligerence, plenty in the US seem to buy the absurd line that the Ayatollah is the global terrorist puppet-master), but rather in a "Oh My farking God; not this bullshiat again" kind of way. If Obama thinks bombing Iran is going to increase his domestic support, he's got another thing coming. Union citizens don't want another war, period.


The GOP has already been huffing and puffing about doing something about Iran. If Obama does, would erstwhile Obama voters switch and vote for Romney? No. Would Obama then win FL? Yes. I don't want to be that cynical, but I'm not sure that dropping a few bombs on nuclear weapons manufacturing sites is the worst thing we could do. I don't know enough about what Iran is likely to do with the bombs I'm sure it's building.
 
2012-04-28 07:07:17 AM  

Dadoody: Isn't it adorable how Americans love to make and watch movies about being invaded and fighting back? If not from Aliens, then from the Russians, South Americans, Chinese, or North Koreans (HA!).....

And yet the only ones doing the invading are the Americans themselves? Isn't that just adorable how we do things to other people we don't want done to ourselves?

I think it's cute. Especially since all of our gained tactics and weapons tech will most likely be used by our government against us one day. Soon. If not already in many circumstances.


"Surveillance" drones are on their way to a police department near you, after all, and the weapon dealers aren't even making it a secret that they hope to develop and sell weaponized versions to law-enforcement in the next few years. Just imagine it; in 5 years or so, the police will be able to shoot gun you down for perceived slights from the comfort of their own homes!
 
2012-04-28 07:07:59 AM  

Heron: Dadoody: Isn't it adorable how Americans love to make and watch movies about being invaded and fighting back? If not from Aliens, then from the Russians, South Americans, Chinese, or North Koreans (HA!).....

And yet the only ones doing the invading are the Americans themselves? Isn't that just adorable how we do things to other people we don't want done to ourselves?

I think it's cute. Especially since all of our gained tactics and weapons tech will most likely be used by our government against us one day. Soon. If not already in many circumstances.

"Surveillance" drones are on their way to a police department near you, after all, and the weapon dealers aren't even making it a secret that they hope to develop and sell weaponized versions to law-enforcement in the next few years. Just imagine it; in 5 years or so, the police will be able to shoot gun you down for perceived slights from the comfort of their own homes!


FTFM
 
2012-04-28 07:13:12 AM  

wademh: Heron: EnviroDude: should be an interesting war. We just gave them our drone technology and now we are going to bomb them from 30,000 feet until they nuke Israel.

get the popcorn ready young men, you are going to go to the Middle East (what better way to put unemployed graduates to work than to draft them for WWIV.

I get the sense that Americans are going to be REALLY upset if we go to war with Iran. Not so much in a "But the Iranian people aren't our enemies" sort of way (despite their consistently measured responses to our belligerence, plenty in the US seem to buy the absurd line that the Ayatollah is the global terrorist puppet-master), but rather in a "Oh My farking God; not this bullshiat again" kind of way. If Obama thinks bombing Iran is going to increase his domestic support, he's got another thing coming. Union citizens don't want another war, period.

The GOP has already been huffing and puffing about doing something about Iran. If Obama does, would erstwhile Obama voters switch and vote for Romney? No. Would Obama then win FL? Yes. I don't want to be that cynical, but I'm not sure that dropping a few bombs on nuclear weapons manufacturing sites is the worst thing we could do. I don't know enough about what Iran is likely to do with the bombs I'm sure it's building.


They won't vote for Romney, but they won't vote for Obama, either. The only reason why Obama isn't going into this election with a prospective landslide is because how how significantly he has alienated the coalition of voters who elected him 4 years ago.

And why are you so sure Iran is building nukes? Every agency whose responsibility it is to figure out these sorts of things, from the IAEA to the DIA to the CIA, disagrees with you on that assessment. The last time there was any credible evidence that Iran was pursuing a bomb program was 2003.
 
2012-04-28 07:14:41 AM  

Heron: RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: Plus America holding back Saudi Arabia

Is that the case?

For about two decades, I've kept hearing that many Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, would love to see Iran (non-Arab) knocked down and so would overtly make a show of condemning Israel but actually do nothing, or even covertly provide support.

Not that I know shiat.

The Saudi regime might be for it, but the actual people of Saudi Arabia, and the region generally, don't see Iran as a threat and really dislike US military involvement in their part of the world. In fact, polls have consistently shown the people of the Near East thinkhave thought of us as the biggest threat to peace in the region for decades.


bah
FTFM
 
2012-04-28 07:24:11 AM  
This is sabre rattling, and nothing more; at least until after November. There is NOT going to be another war before the election is over. You can take that to the bank; Obama's advisors want to be able to control the political climate as much as possible, and war simply has too many unknown variables.

Even over the next 4 years, the prospect of a war with Iran is shaky at best.

Sorry, I'm just not buying it. As of now, between the operation in Libya and Obama's success in killing bin Laden, there's too much political capital at stake.
 
2012-04-28 07:25:06 AM  

limboslam: Left out of last year's Libya war: F-15's, F-22's and F-16's, A-10's, Apaches, Cobra's, F-18's, B-1's, B-2's, B-52's. It was a European campaign, nothing in the U.S. arsenal was necessary to use.


Completely wrong. F-16, B-1, B-52, F-15E were all used, extensively. Along with Tomahawks from the Navy.
 
2012-04-28 07:27:12 AM  

contrapunctus: This is sabre rattling, and nothing more; at least until after November. There is NOT going to be another war before the election is over. You can take that to the bank; Obama's advisors want to be able to control the political climate as much as possible, and war simply has too many unknown variables.

Even over the next 4 years, the prospect of a war with Iran is shaky at best.

Sorry, I'm just not buying it. As of now, between the operation in Libya and Obama's success in killing bin Laden, there's too much political capital at stake.


Don't forget Israel has an election coming up this year too (although Bibi's got a good shot at another term since the opposition is so fractured in comparison).

So any sabre rattling from those guys is more likely just good PR for Bibi than anything serious.

Whatever happens with Iran is up to Israel and hopefully they don't try anything stupid.
 
2012-04-28 07:33:10 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Obama starting a war will piss off the people who vote for him and the people who won't vote for him still won't vote for him.


Registered democrats will continue to vote democrat so long as they believe that the democrats are even slightly better than the republicans. If the democrats propose the Ryan Plan +5% more subsidies for seniors than the republicans? They'll vote democrat.
 
2012-04-28 07:33:52 AM  

Heron: They won't vote for Romney, but they won't vote for Obama, either. The only reason why Obama isn't going into this election with a prospective landslide is because how how significantly he has alienated the coalition of voters who elected him 4 years ago.


He's never impressed me but remains the lesser of evils and a very significant margin.


And why are you so sure Iran is building nukes? Every agency whose responsibility it is to figure out these sorts of things, from the IAEA to the DIA to the CIA, disagrees with you on that assessment. The last time there was any credible evidence that Iran was pursuing a bomb program was 2003.


Just my reading of macroscale politics. Call it gut. Could be wrong but on this like this my track records is distressingly accurate.
 
2012-04-28 07:35:35 AM  
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It's not like the GOP has been begging for it for ye... wait, they've been begging for it for years.


Boy you are funny. So by your calculus, Obama bombing Iran would be the GOP's fault? Well, that would be his first attempt at bipartisanship in four years, certainly an "October surprise."
 
2012-04-28 07:46:50 AM  
doesn't surprise me at all. I live next to a major rail line that runs north/south through our state (GA) and for the past few weeks I have seen a lot of new military vehicles headed south. there was one train the other day with over 1000 brand new humvees with the turret mounts on it. a few days before were a bunch of bulldozers, a few days before that were fuel trucks. all of them desert sand color.

I haven't seen that much military hardware shipping that fast since the build up before the Iraq invasion.
 
2012-04-28 07:48:51 AM  

Brontes: What a sham if it happens. Pre-emptive is the new defense. Just ask Trayvon and the Iraqis.


Zimmerman and Haliburton have proved Pre-emptive to be great money makers too.
 
2012-04-28 07:52:03 AM  
U.S. enters WWI: President Wilson, Democrat
U.S. enters WWII: President Roosevelt, Democrat and we are still there (Japan, Germany, etc)
U.S. enters Korea: President Truman, Democrat and we are still there
U.S. enters Vietnam as 'advisers': President Kennedy, Democrat
U.S. escalates involvement in Vietnam to full scale war: President Johnson, Democrat

Yes, I am leaving out the Republican ones, as well as many minor ones from all sides, like 'Monica's Missiles' from Clinton's era, not to mention the Bush family feud in Iraq. This list is just to show that Democrats are not immune to the call to war that politics or events can drive them to. If you think Obama will not go into Iran, you are assuming much. I hope he does not, but I have no way to know what is going to happen and no one else does either, but a very few at the top.

Politics will decide this. If Obama feels politically vulnerable, the temptations to appeal to patriotic jingoism will be great.
 
2012-04-28 07:57:06 AM  

jpo2269: Well, that would be his first attempt at bipartisanship in four years,


well yeah, if you don't count all the other attempts. He's compromised on everything he's gotten passed. from tax cuts to his health care plan. from the stimulus bill to financial regulations.

Where are the GOP's bi-partisan efforts?
 
2012-04-28 07:57:24 AM  

tomWright: Politics will decide this. If Obama feels politically vulnerable, the temptations to appeal to patriotic jingoism will be great.


I don't think he'd be that stupid. We're a war fatigued country and the last thing Americans outside of the saber-rattling farktard Neocons want is to go into ANOTHER war.

Plus his base would turn against him big time.
 
2012-04-28 08:00:05 AM  

Weaver95: cman: Does anyone in their right mind foolishly think that Obama of all people could convince the US to have a preemptive strike on Iran?

I think it more likely that Israel will start the war, then quickly get in over their heads and scream bloody murder for the USA to come bail 'em out.


Israel can't fight a ground war with Iran; no way to get there....and that's pretty much reciprocal. Neither side has much ability to do "force projection" other than lobbing missiles or bombs. Particularly if Obama would start channeling Ron Paul and immediately pull all aid / presence, Israel would do a preemptive strike, which would have significant potential to escalate from conventional to nuclear. So I guess in the end, it could work out the same way, except they'd "scream bloody murder" for us to come over and decontaminate them.
 
2012-04-28 08:00:09 AM  
The US is quietly positioning a lot of stealth aircraft near Iran

I think the cat may be out of the bag.

/since the MSM has learned of this and made it news, one can only hope this "news" is an unspoken hint to the crazies in Iran that just MAYBE they ought to back off the saber rattling.
 
2012-04-28 08:00:34 AM  
That sounds horrible, I hope I don't get drafted and forced to do it for 10 years like you did.

cache.ohinternet.com

And QFT. Don't like 10 years of war? Don't keep reupping every 4 years.
 
2012-04-28 08:04:28 AM  

tomWright: U.S. enters WWI: President Wilson, Democrat
U.S. enters WWII: President Roosevelt, Democrat and we are still there (Japan, Germany, etc)
U.S. enters Korea: President Truman, Democrat and we are still there
U.S. enters Vietnam as 'advisers': President Kennedy, Democrat
U.S. escalates involvement in Vietnam to full scale war: President Johnson, Democrat

Yes, I am leaving out the Republican ones, as well as many minor ones from all sides, like 'Monica's Missiles' from Clinton's era, not to mention the Bush family feud in Iraq. This list is just to show that Democrats are not immune to the call to war that politics or events can drive them to. If you think Obama will not go into Iran, you are assuming much. I hope he does not, but I have no way to know what is going to happen and no one else does either, but a very few at the top.

Politics will decide this. If Obama feels politically vulnerable, the temptations to appeal to patriotic jingoism will be great.


Need I remind you that WWII was declared by the axis on us when they attacked Pearl Harbor? I doubt Roosevelt went into it thinking he needed it to be reelected.
 
2012-04-28 08:06:21 AM  
How long before the US aircraft start crashing into each other, exploding on takeoff, and just falling out of the sky?
 
2012-04-28 08:07:11 AM  

Mrtraveler01: tomWright: Politics will decide this. If Obama feels politically vulnerable, the temptations to appeal to patriotic jingoism will be great.

I don't think he'd be that stupid. We're a war fatigued country and the last thing Americans outside of the saber-rattling farktard Neocons want is to go into ANOTHER war.

Plus his base would turn against him big time.


I hope you are right. But I think you underestimate how far a political base will go to turn a blind eye to the actions of 'their guy'.
 
2012-04-28 08:08:37 AM  

GleeUnit: beta_plus: fragMasterFlash: Who the hell is going to pay for this little fête du freedom? The 1% damn sure are not and I've got no spare coin. I hate to think of how low the US credit rating will go if we borrow the $10 trillion this shiatfest will cost.

Modern Wars are cheap.

Social Security, Medicare, Unionized Public Schools, and Obamacare are very expensive.

God I hope you're trolling.


God I hope you're new to Fark.
 
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