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2012-04-28 08:30:32 AM

She comes in colors everywhere: Thwack: And Rush is nowhere to be found. Of course it's a Rolling Stone list, so no surprise.

OMG.

Rush fans are like Ron Paul fans...

Each member of Rush is an incredible musician, but Rush as a band has all the problems that Clapton said about Cream: There was no band, really, just "three virtuosos soloing all the time."

The difference between Rush and Cream is that Cream was hugely influential and widely imitated. Rush certainly has its fans, but I don't hear a whole lot of successful, creative musicians listing Rush among their influences.

So give it a rest, please...


Thank you.
 
2012-04-28 08:35:02 AM

TheJoe03: OMG, they think Carter III is better than Criminal Minded, how so incredibly asinine for a music magazine to claim such a thing. I doubt even Lil Wayne thinks he could touch anything KRS One created. KRS One helped INVENT hip-hop, as far as I'm concerned, Lil Wayne has helped hurt hip-hops image and artistic credibility.


Look, this hurts me to say, OK, but I'm gonna say it: Lil Wayne is good. He's a goofy-looking, schmuck-acting, stupid-hair-and-sunglasses-having, easy-to-associate-with-everything-that-sucks-about-rapping weirdo, and I wish the state of hip-hop hadn't degraded itself to the point where he's now a cut above a ton of the stuff that's getting airplay, but...

He's funny. He's inventive. He plays with words in a manner that, while often silly, would just never occur to a lot of his contemporaries. He sometimes touches on serious topics. He's not afraid to try completely new things (and yes, many of them DO NOT WORK), he actively attempts to play with genre conventions and...most importantly, the dude can straight up f--king rap when he wants to. There are loads of examples, mostly from his mixtapes, of him dropping punchline after punchline, sprinkling in similes and metaphors and even just flights of fancy that most of his contemporaries would either never think of or be too chicken to actually use for fear of looking stupid.

Now, if you ask me, personally, as someone who's been listening to hip hop in general for almost 20 years, if Lil Wayne is better than KRS One in his heyday, then the answer is: F--k no. KRS is an originator and deserves the credit he's given.

BUT...I can see why Tha Carter III is on this list--it's one of the best mainstream hip-hop albums of the best 5-10 years. Seriously. Check out Dr. Carter--it's a great example of conceptual songwriting in hip-hop and should be required listening for up and coming MCs.
 
2012-04-28 08:36:04 AM

FeedTheCollapse: LewDux: [list of additions/removals]



is there a link for this, by the way?


No

...Rather than you paying Jann Wenner twelve bucks for the privelege of seeing how little his mind has changed in the last 8 1/2 years, I'll give you a run-down of the 38 albums which have changed--and I'll do it for FREE!

THE DELETED: ...
 
2012-04-28 08:40:01 AM

LewDux: THE DELETED:

Robert Johnson: King of the Delta Blues Singers WHAT THE HELL


THE NEWLY ELEVATED:

Robert Johnson: The Complete Recordings Oh, that's fine then

 
2012-04-28 08:52:50 AM
AHEM.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
kab
2012-04-28 08:55:16 AM

Christian Bale: So everyone hates Rolling Stone, since they know "nothing" about music.

Point us to a better top 500 made by a more knowledgeable institution, then....?


The subjective nature of music means that these sort of lists will always be shiat. There's simply no need for them to exist, other than to create debate.
 
2012-04-28 09:03:46 AM

kab: Christian Bale: So everyone hates Rolling Stone, since they know "nothing" about music.

Point us to a better top 500 made by a more knowledgeable institution, then....?

The subjective nature of music means that these sort of lists will always be shiat. There's simply no need for them to exist, other than to create debate.


Or insult another person's taste in music. Let's be realistic, this is FARK.
 
2012-04-28 09:15:46 AM

She comes in colors everywhere: Thwack: And Rush is nowhere to be found. Of course it's a Rolling Stone list, so no surprise.

OMG.

Rush fans are like Ron Paul fans...

Each member of Rush is an incredible musician, but Rush as a band has all the problems that Clapton said about Cream: There was no band, really, just "three virtuosos soloing all the time."

The difference between Rush and Cream is that Cream was hugely influential and widely imitated. Rush certainly has its fans, but I don't hear a whole lot of successful, creative musicians listing Rush among their influences.

So give it a rest, please...


This
 
2012-04-28 09:17:35 AM

Scottybobotty: She comes in colors everywhere: Thwack: And Rush is nowhere to be found. Of course it's a Rolling Stone list, so no surprise.

OMG.

Rush fans are like Ron Paul fans...

Each member of Rush is an incredible musician, but Rush as a band has all the problems that Clapton said about Cream: There was no band, really, just "three virtuosos soloing all the time."

The difference between Rush and Cream is that Cream was hugely influential and widely imitated. Rush certainly has its fans, but I don't hear a whole lot of successful, creative musicians listing Rush among their influences.

So give it a rest, please...

And of course, you're wrong.

"They have been cited as an influence by various musical artists, including Metallica,[1] Primus,[2] and The Smashing Pumpkins,[2] as well as progressive metal bands such as Dream Theater[1] and Symphony X.[3]"

So yea, nobody who's won a Grammy or have made more money then God....

You fail. Horribly.


No. He's spot on actually
 
2012-04-28 09:55:38 AM
The only value of these lists is if you can look through it and find something interesting you weren't familiar with. Particularly useful if you grew up in a smallish town n the pre-internet days where there was only top 40 and country radio. I first heard Richard Thompson after looking through a list like this, so there's that. Oh, and they're good for stirring up internet debates, of course.
 
2012-04-28 10:43:26 AM

LewDux:
THE NEWLY ELEVATED:
Sleater-Kinney: Dig Me Out


Nice.
 
2012-04-28 11:11:45 AM
www.freeweekly.com
Will always be #1
 
2012-04-28 11:15:28 AM

www.smbc-comics.com
 
2012-04-28 11:23:44 AM

Bhasayate: Also, I'd like to say this list is invalidated by the fact that Kayne has three albums on this list. Surely, there are three other albums that ought to be on it rather than his shiat.


Done in one.
 
2012-04-28 11:37:20 AM

StoPPeRmobile: expobill: duh... my favorite rock album this century is Iron Maiden's "Final Frontier"

Poser.

Dune: Iron Maiden. Explain?

No cheating.


that i knew,
the reason for this post was to reveal what a great recording "the Final Frontier" is because the media will not inform us of that.
 
2012-04-28 11:51:38 AM

kab: The subjective nature of music means that these sort of lists will always be shiat. There's simply no need for them to exist, other than to create debate.


Meh, I always looked at lists like this as a way to find out about stuff I've never heard before. If you read them for any other reason but that, you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-04-28 12:03:59 PM
I guess that this should actually be the "Top 500 Rock, Soul, R&B, and Hip Hop" albums, because once again they totally ignored the vast catalog of jazz, country blues, and country blues stuff. Coldplay makes the list but not Joe Pass? Fark you guys.

No Doc Watson, no Bill Monroe, no Carter Family, no Chet Atkins, no Lightnin' Hopkins, and for God's sake, no SRV. They did have Howlin' Wolf on there, so at least there's that, but damn!

I don't get the hard-on Boomers have for the Beatles. The Beatles have got to be the most overrated musical act in the history of homo sapiens upon this earth. I predict that when the last Boomer has shuffled off this mortal coil, interest in the Beatles' music will subside to near zero. Bob Dylan I have no beef with, nor the Rolling Stones, nor Zep or The Who. But these lists always assume that music started in 1960 and ended sometime around 1975. I.e., Boomers assume that music started when they reached their teenage years and ended when they had to get full-time jobs.

Shouldn't get my blood angried up -- Rolling Stone hasn't been relevant for about a quarter of a century now. It's a nostalgia rag for aging liberal Boomers and that's about it.

/Like I said, I didn't read the whole list, so maybe I missed something. But this list sucks.
 
2012-04-28 12:05:38 PM

Riotboy: [www.freeweekly.com image 640x640]
Will always be #1




0/10. You way over-shot.
 
2012-04-28 12:13:44 PM

Strongbeerrules: As a boomer myself, I always thought Rolling Stone was always a perfect reflection of just how self-absorbed, pretentious and indulgent my generation has always been. This list is a good example of how the magazine is catering to it's demographic to keep profitable. A handful of performers from post- 2000 while the majority is from the '60s and '70s? What amusing arrogance. Like we invented music, or the only music that counts. 20 years from now, the Beatles, Stones and the rest will have passed into history. Maybe their music will influence future artists, or maybe not. Sorry, but it's true. The only generation to come close to our self-importance was the so-called lost generation of the 1920s. And at least they had the decency to stay drunk.


As a mid-40's X-er, my generation doesn't have much to brag about either. There was some good stuff done in the late 80's and through the 90's, but most of it was utterly forgettable ear-oatmeal. Cheese metal, hair bands, corporate synth-rock, horribad "contemporary" country...the litany of FAIL goes ever on. For me, the best thing to happen to music was the O Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack in 2000. It reignited interest in all kinds of roots music styles -- blues, bluegrass, folk, actual country music, and so on. The 2000's were a great decade for music; I hope the young 'uns appreciate what a bountiful crop of talent has come along.
 
2012-04-28 12:17:45 PM

limboslam: I Officially stopped reading Rolling Stone after their "100 best guitar players" issue, in which they rated Bruce Springsteen higher than Alex Lifeson.


Yeah, someone should have gotten punched in the balls for that one. I mean, I get that "best guitar player" is highly personal but still. That's just asking for it.
 
2012-04-28 12:21:55 PM

ghare: So, if you get rid of "oontz oontz oontz" songs, and "n*gga mothafarka n*gga mothafarka" songs, a lot of modern music gets left out?

You don't say.


I'm a blues/blues-rock guy, and the 2000's has been an embarassment of riches:

The Black Keys
Joe Bonamassa
John Mayer (I'm not a fan, but damn it, he's good)
Tedeschi/Trucks
Warren Haynes
Otis Taylor

...and I could go on with a lot more names. Nostalgia is all well and good, but let's not be ridiculous.
 
2012-04-28 12:30:09 PM

marfar: Bhasayate: Also, I'd like to say this list is invalidated by the fact that Kayne has three albums on this list. Surely, there are three other albums that ought to be on it rather than his shiat.

Hating popular music doesn't make you cool, it just makes you annoying.

/ I'd bet a dollar that you haven't listened to any of his albums, and you hate him because the T.V. and internet say he's a dick.


FTFY. And no I haven't listened to his albums. Have heard many individual songs and they are extremely "meh..." listening to them in a collection won't change that.
 
2012-04-28 12:36:15 PM

AnthraxRipple: Am I just not enough of a Beatles fan to wonder why Abbey Road isn't considered their best?


No. Because it clearly IS. Side 2 is without a doubt the closest man will ever come to a perfect album side. And Side 1 is pretty damn good too.
 
2012-04-28 12:40:51 PM
Hmmmm. I appear to have (or have had) maybe 77 of those.
 
2012-04-28 12:51:51 PM
Yes, listing albums in a numerical order from pretty good to best is pointless...but you should just view them as a way to find possibly new to you music that is respected by fellow music fans and musicians.

If it helps some one find a new band and genre that gives them joy we all know music brings, then it has succeeded.

Many of the bands I found in my younger days were because of lists like these.


And if you favorite band doesn't show up at all it is probably because they suck.
just kidding...relax
 
2012-04-28 01:02:01 PM

expobill: StoPPeRmobile: expobill: duh... my favorite rock album this century is Iron Maiden's "Final Frontier"

Poser.

Dune: Iron Maiden. Explain?

No cheating.

that i knew,
the reason for this post was to reveal what a great recording "the Final Frontier" is because the media will not inform us of that.


Up the irons.
 
2012-04-28 01:04:27 PM
and yes, I meant in my opinion there should be at least one Pink Floyd album in the top ten...but I am biased because they are pretty much my favorite band.

Along with Dylan, Soul Coughing, Split Lip Rayfield, and Stevie Ray Vaughan.

Then followed by a hundred bands I really like.
 
2012-04-28 01:09:41 PM
but I will never get mad that Ruby Vroom and Irresistible Bliss by Soul Coughing and Never Make it Home and In the Mud by Split Lip will never rank higher...if they even make the list. Ain't no thang.
 
2012-04-28 01:26:48 PM
I was presently surprised to see Captain Beefheart's "Trout Mask Replica" in the top 100.
 
2012-04-28 01:34:25 PM

alowishus: I was presently surprised to see Captain Beefheart's "Trout Mask Replica" in the top 100.


Asian-like typing detected?
 
2012-04-28 01:40:19 PM

FeedTheCollapse: alowishus: I was presently surprised to see Captain Beefheart's "Trout Mask Replica" in the top 100.

Asian-like typing detected?


thatslacist.jpg
 
2012-04-28 01:54:09 PM

FeedTheCollapse: alowishus: I was presently surprised to see Captain Beefheart's "Trout Mask Replica" in the top 100.

Asian-like typing detected?


www.atlantametrolions.com
 
2012-04-28 05:01:52 PM

RedEyedWings: Look, this hurts me to say, OK, but I'm gonna say it: Lil Wayne is good. He's a goofy-looking, schmuck-acting, stupid-hair-and-sunglasses-having, easy-to-associate-with-everything-that-sucks-about-rapping weirdo, and I wish the state of hip-hop hadn't degraded itself to the point where he's now a cut above a ton of the stuff that's getting airplay, but...

He's funny. He's inventive. He plays with words in a manner that, while often silly, would just never occur to a lot of his contemporaries. He sometimes touches on serious topics. He's not afraid to try completely new things (and yes, many of them DO NOT WORK), he actively attempts to play with genre conventions and...most importantly, the dude can straight up f--king rap when he wants to. There are loads of examples, mostly from his mixtapes, of him dropping punchline after punchline, sprinkling in similes and metaphors and even just flights of fancy that most of his contemporaries would either never think of or be too chicken to actually use for fear of looking stupid.


Ha, I actually agree with everything you just said, he can be reaaaally good when he wants to be. I also think a bunch of his mixtapes are better than the Carter 3 as well. I just think for every clever and well made song he has, he has 2 really shiatty pop garbage songs. So he has talent, but his "movement" (YMCMB) is garbage and he can't touch Boogie Down Productions, which you agree with me on. But yeah, he is an unique rapper that has the ability to rap with the best of them, but he's either to drugged out or too sold out to put out a solid album. I can't say he has any albums that would be considered hip hop classics.
 
2012-04-28 06:03:02 PM

bluesbox:

I don't get the hard-on Boomers have for the Beatles. The Beatles have got to be the most overrated musical act in the history of homo sapiens upon this earth. I predict that when the last Boomer has shuffled off this mortal coil, interest in the Beatles' music will subside to near zero. Bob Dylan I have no beef with, nor the Rolling Stones, nor Zep or The Who. But these lists always assume that music started in 1960 and ended sometime around 1975. I.e., Boomers assume that music started when they reached their teenage years and ended when they had to get full-time jobs.



You really underestimate the cross-generational appeal of The Beatles. There are a million kids coming of age right now, picking up guitars because they want to start a band, who revere The Beatles as gods. There a million college kids sitting in their dorms, with Abbey Road posters on their walls. They're getting high and listening to the White album, and farking loving it. I know, because it wasn't long ago that I doing all those things, in a very small rural community mind you, and I was far from being alone.

A lot of kids love The Beatles, teens love The Beatles, 30 year olds love The Beatles, their parents love The Beatles and so on. It's been that way since the 60s. You will die a long time before their popularity subsides. As if the last 50 years of popularity with people of all ages hasn't been proof enough that they aren't going away. I can understand getting sick of them top lists like this, but eventually you're just going to have accept that they are simply the most popular and widely beloved band of all time. The critical acclaim can make them overrated, but it doesn't make their music any less popular.
 
2012-04-28 06:43:09 PM

xaks: No Pink Floyd, no SRV, but the massively overrated Dylan is in the top 10?

Pfft.


Why do people keep saying "No Pink Floyd" ? There are 4 albums there, the list is posted in this thread...can people not use a search function?
 
2012-04-28 06:47:23 PM

kab: Christian Bale: So everyone hates Rolling Stone, since they know "nothing" about music.

Point us to a better top 500 made by a more knowledgeable institution, then....?

The subjective nature of music means that these sort of lists will always be shiat. There's simply no need for them to exist, other than to create debate.



Actually they could serve very well for people to rate the source. If RS's list is shiat, then don't read Rolling Stone. If NME's is better to you, read NME instead, etc. If all music mags/sites would post their top 500, then you could tell pretty quickly which mag/site you want to be reading.

At least RS has the balls to make a top 500, it kind of puts them on the line. Everyone complaining about them should show their favorite source's top 500 so we can ridicule it, too.
 
2012-04-28 07:02:01 PM

Christian Bale: At least RS has the balls to make a top 500, it kind of puts them on the line. Everyone complaining about them should show their favorite source's top 500 so we can ridicule it, too.


My favorite source is friends and the bands themselves. If you're relying on a music publication to find out about music you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-04-28 07:06:08 PM

Christian Bale: xaks: No Pink Floyd, no SRV, but the massively overrated Dylan is in the top 10?

Pfft.

Why do people keep saying "No Pink Floyd" ? There are 4 albums there, the list is posted in this thread...can people not use a search function?


I think they're saying no Pink Floyd in the Top Ten is surprising.
 
2012-04-28 09:13:09 PM
SPna15


My favorite source is friends and the bands themselves. If you're relying on a music publication to find out about music you're doing it wrong.


There is no wrong way to find a band you like.
 
2012-04-28 09:19:04 PM
Maybe it is not "cool" to have gone back to give Johnny Cash and Ray Charles a nice second listen after I saw their movies, and then to really get into them and realize they are awesome...but that is how it went down and that doesn't change the fact I think they are both amazing and thoroughly enjoy their musical stylings.

And to me, it doesn't really matter how cool you think you are or how cool you think I am...You know?
 
2012-04-28 09:19:56 PM
well, just enough to post I guess.
 
2012-04-29 01:43:30 AM
WHAR TOOL WHAR?!!!
 
2012-04-29 10:29:44 AM

Passive Aggressive Larry: bluesbox:

I don't get the hard-on Boomers have for the Beatles. The Beatles have got to be the most overrated musical act in the history of homo sapiens upon this earth. I predict that when the last Boomer has shuffled off this mortal coil, interest in the Beatles' music will subside to near zero. Bob Dylan I have no beef with, nor the Rolling Stones, nor Zep or The Who. But these lists always assume that music started in 1960 and ended sometime around 1975. I.e., Boomers assume that music started when they reached their teenage years and ended when they had to get full-time jobs.



You really underestimate the cross-generational appeal of The Beatles. There are a million kids coming of age right now, picking up guitars because they want to start a band, who revere The Beatles as gods. There a million college kids sitting in their dorms, with Abbey Road posters on their walls. They're getting high and listening to the White album, and farking loving it. I know, because it wasn't long ago that I doing all those things, in a very small rural community mind you, and I was far from being alone.

A lot of kids love The Beatles, teens love The Beatles, 30 year olds love The Beatles, their parents love The Beatles and so on. It's been that way since the 60s. You will die a long time before their popularity subsides. As if the last 50 years of popularity with people of all ages hasn't been proof enough that they aren't going away. I can understand getting sick of them top lists like this, but eventually you're just going to have accept that they are simply the most popular and widely beloved band of all time. The critical acclaim can make them overrated, but it doesn't make their music any less popular.


The Beatles will lose popularity in the same way that Beethoven or Mozart lost popularity....as in never. They will be honored and studied for centuries. They have tattooed themselves on the lexicon of human existence. It's permanent. It really doesn't matter if one, as an individual, doesn't care for them.
 
2012-04-29 01:46:07 PM

She comes in colors everywhere: Thwack: And Rush is nowhere to be found. Of course it's a Rolling Stone list, so no surprise.

OMG.

Rush fans are like Ron Paul fans...

Each member of Rush is an incredible musician, but Rush as a band has all the problems that Clapton said about Cream: There was no band, really, just "three virtuosos soloing all the time."

The difference between Rush and Cream is that Cream was hugely influential and widely imitated. Rush certainly has its fans, but I don't hear a whole lot of successful, creative musicians listing Rush among their influences.

So give it a rest, please...


Man, I've read posts on Fark where the poster thought he/she was making sense, but actually had no idea what they were talking about. You however, set the the bar for the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
 
2012-04-29 10:35:49 PM

Strongbeerrules: 20 years from now, the Beatles, Stones and the rest will have passed into history.


They already have passed into history. And 20 years from now, people will still be talking about them.
 
2012-04-29 11:34:11 PM

rhiannon: Strongbeerrules: 20 years from now, the Beatles, Stones and the rest will have passed into history.

They already have passed into history. And 20 years from now, people will still be talking about them.


200 years from now even

Kanye? HELL NO.
 
2012-04-29 11:37:19 PM

Bhasayate: Kanye? HELL NO.


Not a big Kanye fan, but hip-hop is NOT a fad, time to stop thinking that because it will never go away.
 
2012-04-29 11:41:36 PM

TheJoe03: Bhasayate: Kanye? HELL NO.

Not a big Kanye fan, but hip-hop is NOT a fad, time to stop thinking that because it will never go away.


Never is a mighty long time. But, yeah, shiat lives forever.
 
2012-04-30 03:10:09 AM
Back in Black in the mid 70's? For the greatest Rock Album ever? You're shiatting me.
Frank Sinatra not mentioned until #100?
Thriller not in the top 10 AT LEAST?
No Journey? no Styx?
Queen not until the 200's (And not their best album either.)
Dark side of the moon at #43? WTF?
NO farkING MEATLOAF!?


What a failboat of a list.
 
2012-04-30 04:20:43 AM

Bhasayate: Never is a mighty long time. But, yeah, shiat lives forever.


How can the concept of beats and rhymes die out? As long as humans are around and as long as we have instruments, hip-hop will live. Maybe one day kids will read some Tupac poetry. Just wait until we finally have a generation of old people that bump hip-hop in their cars instead of Elvis and such. You can't deny hip-hop and even electronica have taken ahold and joined rock in terms of longevity and relevance.
 
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