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(LA Times)   Of the $200,000 in donations George Zimmerman raised from his website, he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"   (latimes.com) divider line 123
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2012-04-27 01:30:44 PM  
10 votes:
If there's anything this guy is known for, it's his ability to think things through and his superb impulse control. I'm sure everything here is legit.
2012-04-27 01:52:04 PM  
7 votes:
He's pulling a Palin and scamming retards out of money so he can life the good life.
2012-04-27 04:06:27 PM  
6 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Weaver95: dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).

I don't know about living arrangements...but yeah, security is something I can see being a primary concern for Zimmerman. that's expensive to set up and he's gonna need someone watching his back if he plans on living through the trial. lot of people wouldn't mind seeing him fall down some stairs and onto a couple of bullets. so spending $50k on security guards and/or alarm systems and body armor wouldn't be out of the question.


Jesus, is there anything this guy does that you all can't find an explanation for?


I'm still at a loss as to why he ran down and murdered a black kid.
2012-04-27 03:47:41 PM  
4 votes:
Clearly this is Trayvon's fault, as George Zimmerman would never lie about anything.



//The first attorney told him not to take donations and this is one of the reasons he quit.
2012-04-27 01:16:59 PM  
4 votes:
Heh, I wouldn't be surprised if it went to security measures.
2012-04-27 05:50:31 PM  
3 votes:
Anyone who "donates" money to this guy is a f*cking asshole.
2012-04-27 04:06:21 PM  
3 votes:

Aarontology: He's pulling a Palin and scamming retards out of money so he can life the good life.


Ya know... I'm this far away from pulling a Palin myself. F... it. Those teatards don't deserve to keep their money.
2012-04-27 04:03:43 PM  
3 votes:
gnostalgia.files.wordpress.com

"Oh look. It's this thread again."
2012-04-27 01:44:10 PM  
3 votes:

eurotrader: The point of a bond amount is to insure the accused shows up to court. The person is still presumed innocent and bond amounts are not supposed to be punitive. I doubt very much Zimmerman set up the PayPal account, his attorney on the other hand wants to be paid. If he was not overcharged there would be a question of excessive bond already.


Zimmerman was the one who set up the website and paypal account. His first lawyer quit partly because of it.
2012-04-27 01:19:38 PM  
3 votes:
But as it turns out, Zimmerman had in fact raised more than $200,000 from supporters on a website and PayPal account he established.

A fool and his money are soon parted.
2012-04-27 10:04:23 PM  
2 votes:
Martin and ZImmerman meet up on the path. Martin says; why are you following me? Zimmerman says; what are you doing here?

We pretty much know that happened.

We know Zimmerman was upset from his statement to the 911 operator; "these assholes always get away". Why he decided that Martin, who by Zimmerman's own account was doing absolutely nothing illegal, was an asshole is a mystery.

What happened next? Here's a possible scenario. After being asked why he was there Martin responds with something along the line of; "screw you" and turned to walk away. Zimmerman, who has a history of aggression, grabs Martin and says; "you're not going anywhere till the cops get here." Now, having been assaulted and illegally detained Martin defends himself in attempt to free himself from Zimmerman. Zimmerman, now realizing that Martin is about to get away, reaches for his gun. Martin sees him reaching for his gun and hits him in the face, breaking Zimmerman's nose and then jumps on top of him and fearing for his life (rightly so as it turns out) starts hitting Zimmerman's head on the ground. Zimmerman manages to get his gun free and shoots Martin.
2012-04-27 05:55:42 PM  
2 votes:
When you rely on cable tv programming, you watch a lot of CSI, America's Most Wanted and Cops.

And when you watch Cops, you start to think you're a cop.

And when you start to think you're cop, you grab your gun and go out at night looking for trouble.

And when you grab your gun and go out at night looking for trouble, you find trouble.

And when you have a gun and you find trouble, people with Skittles die.

Don't go out at night with your gun looking for trouble.

Get rid of cable and upgrade to Direct TV.
2012-04-27 05:41:41 PM  
2 votes:
1. Shoot unarmed black child
2. Claim self defense
3. Solicit money from bigots
4. ???
5. Profit!
2012-04-27 05:36:22 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).


I'm renting a 3,000 sq ft house, and a YEAR'S rent is less than half of that. We spend $1,500/month on rent, and that puts us right around $19k. $50 grand is a lot more than just renting a 'weekly efficiency apartment'. Let's say one of those is $600/week(Which is pretty safe for a 1 bedroom), that's $2,400 a month, it would take over a year and a half to spend $50 grand.

He's blowing thru the cash people gave him for his defense, and he was hpoing that he'd get away with it.
2012-04-27 05:30:25 PM  
2 votes:
When I was young and growing up in the 70's my future world was going to be one of landing on Mars, flying cars, massive prosperity, scientific progress, societal equality...it was going to be grand...

Reading posts from people who support Zimmerman makes me realize the one thing I didn't count on ruining that vision was the high percentage of people in this world who would turn out to be absolute morons.
2012-04-27 05:19:43 PM  
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: while the Googled for pictures of Trayvon with his middle finger up


whats funnier is that wasn't even a picture of trayvon in the first place. gotta love that whole fact-free aspect of the farking right wing blogs.
2012-04-27 04:55:11 PM  
2 votes:

torr5962: He was near his car during the fight--how could he have continue to pursue yet still be near his car?


By "near his car" you mean "not within sight of his car, in someones back yard".

Mishno: And that's what the prosecuting attorney needs to convince the jury of, not you or me or a bunch of mouth-breathing vigilante types. It works both ways.


Sorry, asshole, but all I've ever asked for is a real investigation and a trial, as opposed to John Doe Cop saying "I don't feel like working this case, and I know his dad, so lets just let him go".

Asking for a trial when you have a dead body and an confession from the guy holding the smoking gun doesn't make me a "mouth breathing vigilante", so go fark yourself.
2012-04-27 04:49:13 PM  
2 votes:

you have pee hands: fracto73: I would replace the last two with:
-Kid stands his ground
-Zimm stands his ground

Honestly, I think Zimmerman might be legally off the hook because of the stand your ground law. I think the same would be true if Martin had beaten Zimmerman to death instead. Morally I think his poor judgement led to a dead kid, but in court the law is what matters.

I agree with this and I think it's the strangest thing. How can you have a law that basically boils down to "whoever shoots first wins" legally?

Florida.



I believe a law like this makes dueling to the death legal.
2012-04-27 04:43:43 PM  
2 votes:
In other news: Farker "9beers" bank account is now $1.39
2012-04-27 04:41:46 PM  
2 votes:

All_Farked_Up: ocelot: I can't wait until this guy walks and the media turns into a puddle of WTF.

After the riots he'll be tried again and convicted. Just like the Rodney King case.


I love this presumption that a riot must happen because a black kid was involved.

The original reports that race had something to do with this died out when the recording that was reported as "coon" was revealed to be some other word (cold?).

The million hoodie march was peaceful, even at the height of this whole mess when a racial component was considered a primary motivation.

now, what do we have?

Martin's side is not pushing a racial tone.

But Zimmerman fans are certainly keeping it alive.
2012-04-27 04:32:18 PM  
2 votes:

valar_morghulis: Mishno: valar_morghulis: DROxINxTHExWIND: Weaver95: dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).

I don't know about living arrangements...but yeah, security is something I can see being a primary concern for Zimmerman. that's expensive to set up and he's gonna need someone watching his back if he plans on living through the trial. lot of people wouldn't mind seeing him fall down some stairs and onto a couple of bullets. so spending $50k on security guards and/or alarm systems and body armor wouldn't be out of the question.


Jesus, is there anything this guy does that you all can't find an explanation for?

I'm still at a loss as to why he ran down and murdered a black kid.

'cause the kid had him by the neck and was beating his head against the pavement?

So you're saying he ran a kid down while being held down with his head bashed against the pavement? Did he slip into another dimension to do this?


I'm not the judge or jury, I'm happy to let them decide, but, how I understand the event timeline is:

-Zimm is on community watch and he spots a "suspicious" person and follows. Probably imprudent.
-Kid sees he's being followed and doesn't like it, gets scared.
-Kid runs ahead and hides behind a house.
-Zimm stupidly follows, against the advice and urging of the 911 operator
-Kid jumps out and confronts Zimm, grabbing him by the neck and beating his head against the ground.
-Zimm shoots kid.

/I'm not going to dig up but I have read a number of them and that's the gist I take away from them. Zimm's got his day in court, let the best lawyer win let's hope that the truth will be revealed.
2012-04-27 04:24:38 PM  
2 votes:

jafiwam: The actions of others (not you, I know you are a bit better) calling for "justice for trayvon" seem to be pretty high-order hypocritical equivalent to jews advocating people being thrown in ovens.


Man, I've seen some ridiculous comparisons on Fark, but to say that wanting someone to be tried by a jury of his peers is equivalent to supporting the Holocaust is probably the most stupid thing I've ever read.
2012-04-27 04:22:36 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).



Hmm.... I'd be inclined to disagree.

I do high-end, short term fully furnished apartments for a living and have been for around 9 years now. Before that I was in the unfurnished apartment business for years. Here in Washington DC - one of the two most expensive markets for corporate housing in the country (the other being NYC, and prices there are pretty close to ours here in DC). My clients are all manners of VIP's, with many levels of secrecy. I have a good number of guests right now staying under assumed names and with the bills being paid for by shell corporations.

I have an ambassador with my cell on speed dial right now (lol - not as glamorous as that might sound at first - "Hey mongbiohazard, how do I use the TV? I messed it up again.")

I could get him a fully furnished apartment in a very nice building in Washington DC for $7000 a month. We don't do deposits, and in the rare cases we do (foreign nationals with no US credit history) it will be a few hundred dollars, and never more than $1000. We just bill up front each month. That price would include everything but food, clothing and personal effects. It will have pots and pans, bed linens, towels, even pictures on the walls. That cost also includes housekeeping once every other week.

For $50,000 I could house him for like 7 months in those swanky downtown accommodations in one of the nation's most expensive neighborhoods. Longer if he only needed a one bedroom apartment. And I mean, blocks from the national mall, in the theater district, great restaurants... etc.

In Florida $50,000 will go a HELL of a lot longer. The prices for furnished apartment down there are like a fraction of ours, because the base rent is so damn much lower. I'd expect to be able to easily house him an entire year for that price in fully furnished accommodations in any market in that state... and I work for one of the most expensive (and not coincidentally, with the nicest) providers out there. He could take that money to a competitor of mine and it would go even further.... he just wouldn't live like an ambassador or high-ranking bureaucrat then.
2012-04-27 04:22:02 PM  
2 votes:
Note to self:
1. Violate law in a controversial way supported by conservative morons
2. Set up legal defense fund
3. Profit
2012-04-27 04:14:53 PM  
2 votes:

ThisIsNotSubtle: Any bets on how many lawyers Zimmerman goes through before this is all over?


Zimmerman's (current) lawyer was on TruTV this morning just before I changed the channel in pure apathy, detailing how much it was going to cost HIM to put on his case. He's already up to $400,000, for a thousand hours of work at a "low rate" of $400/hour.

I mean, sure, this case is going to cost plenty in terms of billable hours; but I don't doubt for a second that the film and book rights are already pending. You could at least TRY not to sound like such a heartless bottom-feeder, counselor.
2012-04-27 04:13:34 PM  
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Weaver95: dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).

I don't know about living arrangements...but yeah, security is something I can see being a primary concern for Zimmerman. that's expensive to set up and he's gonna need someone watching his back if he plans on living through the trial. lot of people wouldn't mind seeing him fall down some stairs and onto a couple of bullets. so spending $50k on security guards and/or alarm systems and body armor wouldn't be out of the question.


Jesus, is there anything this guy does that you all can't find an explanation for?


Maybe if you race-baiters stopped making stuff up, or pointing to completely normal stuff and holding it up as evil, people would stop doing that.

ONE WOULD THINK, that a member of the african-american community such as yourself would be aware of the dangers of justice at the behest of a mob.

The actions of others (not you, I know you are a bit better) calling for "justice for trayvon" seem to be pretty high-order hypocritical equivalent to jews advocating people being thrown in ovens.

It wasn't long ago that Florida blacks had to be aware they could be dragged out to the woods and hung without trial for alleged crimes by mobs of whites. So easily this reality of history forgotten I guess. At approximately 11% of the population, one would think "let's all play nice and have rule of law" would be a more common desire.
2012-04-27 03:51:13 PM  
2 votes:

eurotrader: The point of a bond amount is to insure the accused shows up to court. The person is still presumed innocent and bond amounts are not supposed to be punitive. I doubt very much Zimmerman set up the PayPal account, his attorney on the other hand wants to be paid. If he was not overcharged there would be a question of excessive bond already.


O'Mara is doing the case pro bono. Zimmerman set up this account before O'Mara was his attorney and it was reported in the media before O'Mara became his attorney.

Something is definitely not right here
2012-04-27 01:48:12 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: Serious Black:

IANAL by any stretch

With a name like "Serious Black", I bet you do.


Yes, because I am obviously a humorless African-American.
2012-04-27 01:32:40 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: I_Am_Weasel: Weaver95: "The family members represented that they had no money, when in truth they really did," he told the judge. "...I don't know if they did that intentionally, or what."

I don't think you want to lie to a judge. if the judge decides the family lied to him, it will go badly for Zimmerman.

So you're saying that the judge was hoodwinked when he was told their life was not beer and skittles?

There seems to be a disturbing trend.

i'm saying that if the judge asks you the details of your finances, make sure you don't forget to mention the $200k you've got in a bank account somewhere. judges tend to get cranky about missing details like that, and when a judge gets cranky, they can do all kinds of things to make your life uncomfortable.


IANAL by any stretch, but I really wouldn't be surprised if he was brought up on perjury charges and brought back to jail.
2012-04-27 01:28:11 PM  
2 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: Weaver95: "The family members represented that they had no money, when in truth they really did," he told the judge. "...I don't know if they did that intentionally, or what."

I don't think you want to lie to a judge. if the judge decides the family lied to him, it will go badly for Zimmerman.

So you're saying that the judge was hoodwinked when he was told their life was not beer and skittles?

There seems to be a disturbing trend.


i'm saying that if the judge asks you the details of your finances, make sure you don't forget to mention the $200k you've got in a bank account somewhere. judges tend to get cranky about missing details like that, and when a judge gets cranky, they can do all kinds of things to make your life uncomfortable.
2012-04-27 01:26:34 PM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).


I don't know about living arrangements...but yeah, security is something I can see being a primary concern for Zimmerman. that's expensive to set up and he's gonna need someone watching his back if he plans on living through the trial. lot of people wouldn't mind seeing him fall down some stairs and onto a couple of bullets. so spending $50k on security guards and/or alarm systems and body armor wouldn't be out of the question.
2012-04-27 01:19:31 PM  
2 votes:
he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).
2012-04-27 01:07:47 PM  
2 votes:
"The family members represented that they had no money, when in truth they really did," he told the judge. "...I don't know if they did that intentionally, or what."

I don't think you want to lie to a judge. if the judge decides the family lied to him, it will go badly for Zimmerman.
2012-04-30 11:18:25 PM  
1 votes:
tirob:
I also share your suspicion that Zimmerman was looking for trouble on the evening of February 26; his pursuit of Martin is evidence of that IMO.

Before we accept this witness as an expert mind reader, I'd like to voir dire the witness, your honor. If you can read minds, tell me how many times I want to cock-punch you for making the claim. I have written my answer on the sheet of paper I just gave you, your honor...

I mean, seriously... Freaking Neighborhood Watch? Are you familiar with the concept? The POINT is to follow people around. You call that "looking for trouble?" If so, the police are PROFESSIONAL troublemakers, eh? They spend all night (in this case) looking for trouble. Anything that happens, then, is THEIR fault. Jesus... If we could harness derp for power, our energy problems would be over.
2012-04-28 09:31:45 PM  
1 votes:

9beers: You know, maybe Zimmerman beat himself up, just like Ed Norton in Fight Club.


www.floridacriminaldefenselawyerblog.com
More likely than you think. Conservatards do weird things like that
2012-04-28 04:07:25 PM  
1 votes:
I should note that one does not have to sustain great bodily harm to be justified in the use of deadly force, only have a reasonable fear of it.

Also
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2012-04-28 03:29:10 PM  
1 votes:

JuggleGeek: Yes, I've heard 9beers screaming about how he was casing houses - but even Zimmerman didn't make that claim. Some other asshole was screaming about how Martin was looking into windows - again, with no evidence whatsoever, and it seems very likely that Zimmerman would have mentioned it if that had been the case.


When have we had a chance to hear Zimmerman's statements to the police? Hilarious that you can speculate all you want on this case, even after the prosecution admits to not having the evidence to support it, but when somebody else speculates, you're sure that they're wrong.

Face it dude, there's not a shred of evidence that Zimmerman committed a crime that night.
2012-04-28 02:57:53 PM  
1 votes:

JuggleGeek: phygz: A) Zimmerman was an asshole
2) The kid was not as innocent as initially portrayed (as in being an attacker)
III) Nobody would have given a flying fark about any of this if the victim was white

I agree on A. I'd like to think that most people would agree, but some sure seem to see Zimmerman as a hero, so I guess not.

On 2, there is no evidence other than the shooters word that Martin was the attacker. And considering that a maniac with a gun was chasing him down at night, I feel he had a right to defend himself, so even if he threw the first punch, I don't blame him. If Zimmerman was close enough to get punched, he was close enough for Martin to feel threatened. Martin tried to avoid this. ZImmerman instigated it and refused to let it go. I can certainly understand where others would disagree with me here.

On III, I completely disagree. Some of the outrage would come from different people, and some of the Zimmerman lovers would be on the other side of the argument, but you would still have a maniac who chased down an unarmed kid, shot the kid, with a very limited investigation and no attempt at justice. Which, to me, was the biggest problem with this whole case.


2- there is no evidence anyone was "chasing" anyone. Following does not equal chasing. Some people here would like to portray GZ as chasing with gun in hand, arms flailing. I seriously doubt that GZ pulled his gun out at any time before he shot the kid, then again I don't know, and neither do any of the armchair detectives screaming cold-blooded murder.

III- This is where the reverse racists and guilt-ridden liberals show their true colors- when the case first came out, it was all pretty much about how an innocent black kid was gunned down by a racist vigilante, with facts being distorted and withheld to bolster this scenario. As facts emerged and it became more clear that there was no racial motivation for the shooting, the focus closed in on the "injustice" of the shooter not being charged. GZ was cuffed, taken in for questioning for hours and released not because the police didn't care about justice, but because there was no evidence or case to arrest him on.
If you still think this is all about "injustice" and not about the need to show how "the evil white society still has it out for the hapless black man", answer this truthfully- if white kid "Trevor Martin" was gunned down by a black man under the exact same circumstances, would there be the same outrage? Would Rev. Al, Jesse and the Black Panthers be screaming for justice?
Fark no, and neither would anyone here. There are plenty of cases of real injustice out there that go unnoticed- if it was a caucasian kid that was shot in this particular case, it would have been at the most a 100 comment thread here and forgotten about.
2012-04-28 01:19:42 AM  
1 votes:

FormlessOne: Who cares? I refuse to participate in turning this into another "trial of the decade," complete with riots & cheering by whichever side "wins" while anyone & everyone even marginally involved cranks out a book & milks the talk show circuit. (Oh - by the way, fark you, Kato Kaelin.)

Call me if he's found guilty or innocent in a trial, by a jury of his peers. Trying this case in the media, with little actual information and a hell of a lot of hyperbole & stupidity, is pointless - it's not even good entertainment.


i1173.photobucket.com
2012-04-27 10:31:42 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: "The family members represented that they had no money, when in truth they really did," he told the judge. "...I don't know if they did that intentionally, or what."

I don't think you want to lie to a judge. if the judge decides the family lied to him, it will go badly for Zimmerman.


Since when has income or assets played a role in your bail amount? Constitutionally it cannot since we all have equal protection under the law.
2012-04-27 10:04:51 PM  
1 votes:
Martin was on top, Zim was on the bottom, therefore Martin was 'beating the shiat out of him' or "he tried to kill someone..."

Now, obviously neither of those two were pro or semipro fighters. But tell me...who is in control in this picture? The guy on top or the guy on the bottom.
What might that look like in the dark, to an untrained eye?

multiplayerblog.mtv.com
2012-04-27 08:16:57 PM  
1 votes:

beta_plus: I'm sorry that your so butthurt that you're not going to get to send an innocent man to the electric chair.


Thank you for upholding the dumbass pseudocon Teabagger stereotype.

The derp is strong with you.
2012-04-27 08:06:43 PM  
1 votes:
Dear people who donated money to George Zimmerman: you're dumb.
2012-04-27 08:00:57 PM  
1 votes:

pyrotek85: If they make the claim that Martin went after Zimmerman first in self defense, they'll need a good theory on why. It's not illegal to follow someone or even confront and question them. There is no evidence (that we know of) that Zimmerman grabbed or tackled Martin, much less approaching him with his gun drawn (as some people implied). Just saying that Martin feared Zimmerman isn't enough, it has to be a reasonable fear. Maybe Zimmerman did do one of those things, but nothing suggests it right now


Actually if you follow or confront someone when you have no reason to do so and it creates fear of harm, it is Assault, that is a reasonable fear, if I have some stranger follow me in a vehicle and then when I cut through a common area to get way from him I would have a reasonable fear of harm if they left the vehicle to chase me.

You and many others have this misconception that you are allowed to slink around public places to shadow anyone that you deem suspicious, you don't since when you do you can create apprehension and fear of harm which is Assault.

The problem is that Zimmerman did not act like a reasonable person would, a reasonable person would have followed what the P.D. taught them in their neighborhood watch class and observe but not to chase or confront.
2012-04-27 07:59:46 PM  
1 votes:

punistation: George will stand trial one day. Nothing can stop this.

BE READY.


It's as if many of you want to see a riot, but from the far away comfort of your couch. People like this are farked in the head.

If it ends up that there is a riot, I'm going to be seriously pissed- because where the fark were you when any of the more pressing matters that directly affected ALL OF US came to fruition? NDAA anyone? Nope leave it to stinky hippies to march against that.
2012-04-27 07:52:41 PM  
1 votes:

hbk72777: [cdn.buzznet.com image 500x500]


A black man hanging from a tree. It's like conservatives are psychologically incapable of NOT being retards.
2012-04-27 07:38:38 PM  
1 votes:
If I were him I'd take the money and run to South America.
2012-04-27 07:36:54 PM  
1 votes:

Harridan: Actually, it tells ME that a lot of Americans want to make sure this guy gets a fair trial and isn't railroaded and/or bankrupted to satisfy public opinion and lust for revenge.


So sending money to his Paypal account will insure he gets a fair trial?
2012-04-27 07:36:51 PM  
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND:

You all are TOTALLY missing the point of my question. It could be that Zimmerman has a very legitimate reason for not disclosing the funds at his bond hearing. It could be that he has treated the donations like a responsible employee would treat his expense account, watching costs, spending only whats necessary, and keeping his documentation. This could ALL be on the up and up. But you mutherfarkers don't know that. Yet, here you all are with a thousand explanatio ...


no, actually - we're not missing anything at all. Zimmerman might very well have lied about his finances. that's what the judge is going to determine. but that is a separate issue from Zimmerman's trial. hang in there though, this ball hasn't really started rolling yet and i'm sure there's more to come.
2012-04-27 07:34:39 PM  
1 votes:

beta_plus: Keizer_Ghidorah: beta_plus: dittybopper: fracto73: Honestly, I think Zimmerman might be legally off the hook because of the stand your ground law.

Stand Your Ground doesn't enter into it.

If Zimmerman's story is correct, he didn't use deadly force until after he was knocked down and getting his ass beat. In every single state, no matter whether you initiated the fight or not, you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe you are in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm, and you can't escape. If someone has you pinned down and it banging your head, I think that counts.

Hard to "stand your ground" when you're pinned to the pavement and having your head slammed against it.

He looked pretty spry, undamaged, and not very bloodied for someone who had his head repeatedly slammed against concrete.

[www.examiner.com image 640x360]

[www.wagist.com image 468x1100]

/if you see blood or a broken nose in those pictures, it's only because you're racist


====================

Yes if I just murdered somebody, after tracking and hunting him down, I would beat my own head on the sidewalk for my made up self-defense alibi too.
2012-04-27 07:21:37 PM  
1 votes:

Car_Ramrod: But as it turns out, Zimmerman had in fact raised more than $200,000 from supporters on a website and PayPal account he established.

A fool and his money are soon parted.


images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Who's more foolish? The fool, or the one who donates to his Paypal?
2012-04-27 07:12:05 PM  
1 votes:
Ok, here is a quick rude and crude one:

i.imgur.com
2012-04-27 07:05:09 PM  
1 votes:
Phase 1: Shoot unarmed black kid.
Phase 2: Make a website soliciting donations.
Phase 3: Profit


We finally figured out Phase 2.
2012-04-27 06:57:10 PM  
1 votes:

Sticky Hands: HotWingConspiracy: There is no greater moron than a racist right winger.

Who is the greater moron: the right winger who continually steps to the right or the left winger who keeps trying to meet him half way?


If you're referring to democrats, they aren't left wing.
2012-04-27 06:49:57 PM  
1 votes:

Harridan: MoeSzyslak: In other news the "charity" set up by Trayvon's parents Justicetm For Trayvon has collected a paltry $26,692.70. You'd think with all the black celebrity millionaires and "millions" of people donning hoodies and waiving skittles purporting to champion the cause they'd have raised a bit more. Weren't songs released to benefit this "charity"? I bet his parent are just loving their decision to quit their jobs and hit the "civil rights" circuit full-time with the Reverends.

/they must donate like they tip

Ya know, I'm really sick of hearing from these parents. It's not enough that they dragged the "revs" into it and all of the accompanying attention-whoring. It's not enough that they poisoned race-relations all over the country for a "hate crime" that clearly isn't. It's not enough that the guy has now been arrested and charged, which is all they initially claimed they wanted, NOW they want his bail revoked and are "offended"??? Tell ya what folks - sit down and shut the fark up for awhile. You've done enough damage, and you don't run the court system. SHUT THE FARK UP and let the system work.


I'm fine with it. I personally think that what happened to their son was a horrible tragedy. But if they manage to get people to take a serious second look at the law that made this situation so confusing and also happen to make a little money then I say good on them. And I admit to changing my position on this over time, back then that Elizabeth Smart crap was floating around, I considered her family horrendous for profiting from it, but I've since changed my tune, and now I say, when life gives you a shiatload of lemons, make a shiatload of lemonade and go out and sell that lemonade to the millions of people tuning into your suffering for their entertainment.

tl:dr better they get some money than "reality TV" stars.
2012-04-27 06:47:47 PM  
1 votes:
There is no greater moron than a racist right winger. Hopefully they send him some more of their Natty Light money to fight these accusations from the lib media.
2012-04-27 06:41:08 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Thunderpipes: I am a conservative, I work.

Because only conservatives work.

/rolls eyes


Yeah, because conservative states accept zero dollars in federal funding for anything. Being self-sufficient n' all.
2012-04-27 06:35:13 PM  
1 votes:

Jake Havechek: doglover: Jake Havechek: Lying to the judge, ehh?

Seems little Georgy Porgy isn't as pure as the driven snow.

That doesn't mean Treyvon didn't earn his halo. Let the jury decide, thanks.

What jury? Everybody and their brother has heard about this stupid case. This will mistrial for sure.


Really, this jury will have to be 100% Amish
2012-04-27 06:30:43 PM  
1 votes:
Is Zimmerman a racist?
I really don't care.
The law should not care, either.
Did he shoot the kid "in self-defense"?
It doesn't look like it.
That's all that matters.
2012-04-27 06:20:14 PM  
1 votes:
With the exception of a small handful of you, I'm amazed at the level of derp coming from Farkers in this thread. There are a lot of facts in this case that are still unknown (or at least not public yet), yet the Fark Army of GED Lawyers has already tried, convicted and hung Zimmerman. You sons of biatches must be clairvoyant or something.
2012-04-27 06:19:11 PM  
1 votes:

fracto73: He isn't a cold blooded killer. He got cocky because he was armed and Martin wasn't, escalated a situation when he shouldn't have, and put himself and Martin in a situation where they both thought they were fighting for their lives. He isn't a cold blooded killer, he is a cocky moron.


I think your theory of what happened is probably right. But I don't believe he's really remorseful at all for killing Trayvon. I think he's cold blooded by his after the fact conduct.
2012-04-27 06:14:23 PM  
1 votes:

Corporate Self: Johnnyflash: There is also more to that story, about 10 years ago, George was volunteering at a retirement home. He would go every Saturday morning and talk to the elderly people there who had no one to visit them. There was this little old lady there in her late 90s, they called her Rosie (she had rosie cheeks), he took an interest to her right away. The one thing that really made Rosie happy was those freaky little Precious Moments dolls, at the time she only had one, but really wanted more. So George would always look for these dolls at garage sales, thrift stores, and sometime eBay for a specific doll. Every week he had a new doll for Rosie, and her smile would light up the room from every visit and new doll George brought her. This went on for about a year until she passed, so in memory of Rosie, George just kept on picking up one a week when he could. I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like a cold blooded killer to me.

So? Hitler loved dogs and his girlfriend. Some of my racist relatives are the nicest people you'd want to meet ... so long as your white.



He isn't a cold blooded killer. He got cocky because he was armed and Martin wasn't, escalated a situation when he shouldn't have, and put himself and Martin in a situation where they both thought they were fighting for their lives. He isn't a cold blooded killer, he is a cocky moron.
2012-04-27 06:14:18 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Thunderpipes: I am a conservative, I work.

Because only conservatives work.

/rolls eyes


I always enjoy people who are goofing off on the internet during the work day talking about how hard they work.
2012-04-27 06:12:45 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Serious Black: dittybopper: Serious Black:

IANAL by any stretch

With a name like "Serious Black", I bet you do.

Yes, because I am obviously a humorless African-American.

I was making an interracial anal sex joke. Why you have to ruin it? WHY?


Man, i swept my eyes across the screen, and I swear I saw: "I'm making interracial anal sex as American as apple pie", that would have been the best Fark statement EVER! Not sure how I saw this, though...
2012-04-27 06:11:31 PM  
1 votes:
Wha? You mean criminally violent racist child killer George Zimmerman also has difficulty telling the truth?

The hell you say!
2012-04-27 06:10:33 PM  
1 votes:

Johnnyflash: There is also more to that story, about 10 years ago, George was volunteering at a retirement home. He would go every Saturday morning and talk to the elderly people there who had no one to visit them. There was this little old lady there in her late 90s, they called her Rosie (she had rosie cheeks), he took an interest to her right away. The one thing that really made Rosie happy was those freaky little Precious Moments dolls, at the time she only had one, but really wanted more. So George would always look for these dolls at garage sales, thrift stores, and sometime eBay for a specific doll. Every week he had a new doll for Rosie, and her smile would light up the room from every visit and new doll George brought her. This went on for about a year until she passed, so in memory of Rosie, George just kept on picking up one a week when he could. I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like a cold blooded killer to me.


So? Hitler loved dogs and his girlfriend. Some of my racist relatives are the nicest people you'd want to meet ... so long as your white.
2012-04-27 06:06:16 PM  
1 votes:

Timmy the Tumor: fracto73: Timmy the Tumor: you have pee hands: CliChe Guevara: i don't get it? what is the photo of zimmerman supposed to prove again? you know, other than that there was a fight, which we already knew about?

i don't think that picture means what you think it means.

He started a fight he couldn't win. Don't you know that if you do that you're allowed to shoot the other guy?



What I don't understand is this.

I start a fight. Guy #2 can legally defend himself as long as there is an immediate threat of bodily harm. He can't, however, continue once that threat is no longer viable.

So, I start it, #2 starts beating my ass, breaks my nose, slamming my head into the ground. Once I've stopped fighting back, he continues.

How is that self-defense?

And since it isn't, Trayvon could have theoretically (NONE of us has a clue what really happened) run, or stood up and waited to see if Zimmerman would attack again, or just held him down until the cops came. Once he passes that point, and continues beating on Zimmerman, and it transforms from "fistfight" to "someone may die here" wouldn't Zimmerman be justified in defending himself, up to and including lethal force?


For that to be true you'd have to argue that the man who shot and killed Martin was no longer a threat to him.



I'm anticipating that in the trial...

Someone pinned to the ground, getting his head slammed into the concrete, and yelling like a little girl "Please someone help me" over and over sounds like "no longer a threat" but I wasn't there.



Who was yelling for help is disputed from what I understand.

I think the best case would be to convince a jury that Martin did go after Zimmerman, but it was self defense, and Zimmerman's claim of self defense is as applicable as a robber shooting a homeowner for fighting back. I think it would be easy to point out that an armed man following Martin might have made him fear for his life.
2012-04-27 06:05:36 PM  
1 votes:
inb4 9 beers
2012-04-27 06:00:50 PM  
1 votes:
How much you wanna bet that if he skips on the murder charges, he'll get nabbed for tax evasion?
2012-04-27 06:00:48 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: I am a conservative, I work.


Because only conservatives work.

/rolls eyes
2012-04-27 05:56:10 PM  
1 votes:

Timmy the Tumor: you have pee hands: CliChe Guevara: i don't get it? what is the photo of zimmerman supposed to prove again? you know, other than that there was a fight, which we already knew about?

i don't think that picture means what you think it means.

He started a fight he couldn't win. Don't you know that if you do that you're allowed to shoot the other guy?



What I don't understand is this.

I start a fight. Guy #2 can legally defend himself as long as there is an immediate threat of bodily harm. He can't, however, continue once that threat is no longer viable.

So, I start it, #2 starts beating my ass, breaks my nose, slamming my head into the ground. Once I've stopped fighting back, he continues.

How is that self-defense?

And since it isn't, Trayvon could have theoretically (NONE of us has a clue what really happened) run, or stood up and waited to see if Zimmerman would attack again, or just held him down until the cops came. Once he passes that point, and continues beating on Zimmerman, and it transforms from "fistfight" to "someone may die here" wouldn't Zimmerman be justified in defending himself, up to and including lethal force?



For that to be true you'd have to argue that the man who shot and killed Martin was no longer a threat to him.
2012-04-27 05:46:35 PM  
1 votes:

Timmy the Tumor: What I don't understand is this.

I start a fight. Guy #2 can legally defend himself as long as there is an immediate threat of bodily harm. He can't, however, continue once that threat is no longer viable.

So, I start it, #2 starts beating my ass, breaks my nose, slamming my head into the ground. Once I've stopped fighting back, he continues.

How is that self-defense?

And since it isn't, Trayvon could have theoretically (NONE of us has a clue what really happened) run, or stood up and waited to see if Zimmerman would attack again, or just held him down until the cops came. Once he passes that point, and continues beating on Zimmerman, and it transforms from "fistfight" to "someone may die here" wouldn't Zimmerman be justified in defending himself, up to and including lethal force?


I think in your situation you'd be correct, that at some point it stops being self defense and starts being battery, though I think it's pretty clear that Zimmerman was still fighting back. I mean, shooting someone is fighting back. Also, if he were near unconsciousness from getting his head beat in and pinned to the ground, he would have had a lot of trouble drawing a weapon, so it probably wasn't that one sided.

I think Florida's law does seem to create a situation where both parties can feel that they're defending themselves, and then it's just a matter of who shoots to kill first. That's pretty farked up. If one thing comes from this I hope they take a look at the stand your ground law.
2012-04-27 05:43:48 PM  
1 votes:

Headso: vegasj: Thunderpipes: Some white dude in Alabama got his ass kicked by a group of black guys who yelled that it was for Traypacks.

Weird, nothing from Obama, or Holder, or Al, or Jesse. No hate crime charges even.

Racism and double standards, how does it work, liberals?

Empty question.

You will never get your answer, you will only be called a racist. Trust me.

He'll never respond to the fact that Alabama is a place where liberals hold no power, so blaming them for not charging people is probably the most retarded comment in the thread, except for yours of course.


That and they do plan on charging the attackers, plus multiple witnesses put the victim as harrassing neighborhood children with a knife (the guy himself has a long history of violence and sexual assault). So it's not exactly analogous.

Also, using a criminal act as an analogy to Zimmerman's case is pretty dumb in general unless the person making the analogy is trying to equate Zimmerman as a criminal, which doesn't appear to be the motive they were going for.
2012-04-27 05:36:00 PM  
1 votes:
Whar Politics tab, whar?
2012-04-27 05:35:20 PM  
1 votes:

you have pee hands: CliChe Guevara: i don't get it? what is the photo of zimmerman supposed to prove again? you know, other than that there was a fight, which we already knew about?

i don't think that picture means what you think it means.

He started a fight he couldn't win. Don't you know that if you do that you're allowed to shoot the other guy?




What I don't understand is this.

I start a fight. Guy #2 can legally defend himself as long as there is an immediate threat of bodily harm. He can't, however, continue once that threat is no longer viable.

So, I start it, #2 starts beating my ass, breaks my nose, slamming my head into the ground. Once I've stopped fighting back, he continues.

How is that self-defense?

And since it isn't, Trayvon could have theoretically (NONE of us has a clue what really happened) run, or stood up and waited to see if Zimmerman would attack again, or just held him down until the cops came. Once he passes that point, and continues beating on Zimmerman, and it transforms from "fistfight" to "someone may die here" wouldn't Zimmerman be justified in defending himself, up to and including lethal force?
2012-04-27 05:33:10 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: if the judge decides the family lied to him, it will go badly for Zimmerman.


That and the whole part about following the kid after he was told not to and escalating the encounter into a deadly confrontation.
2012-04-27 05:30:55 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: If Zimmerman's story is correct, he didn't use deadly force until after he was knocked down and getting his ass beat. In every single state, no matter whether you initiated the fight or not, you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe you are in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm, and you can't escape. If someone has you pinned down and it banging your head, I think that counts.


That's a stupid lie and you're stupid for saying it. That's even dumber then GED in law level of stupid, that's how stupid your legal "advice is." You should feel bad for even typing something that stupid.
2012-04-27 05:29:09 PM  
1 votes:

CliChe Guevara: i don't get it? what is the photo of zimmerman supposed to prove again? you know, other than that there was a fight, which we already knew about?

i don't think that picture means what you think it means.


He started a fight he couldn't win. Don't you know that if you do that you're allowed to shoot the other guy?
2012-04-27 05:28:23 PM  
1 votes:
Silly Jesus

You seem to be a fairly reasonable guy. If you find the time, read this very well written article by Reuters that delves into Zimmerman's past. I think that it is actually quite neutral on the situation and it sheds some light on what may have been in Zimmerman's mind on that night that drove his "prejudices."

Reuters on Zimmerman (Pops)



So, according to the "neutral" article, George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin because he was scared of dogs and black people. There were black people breaking into homes, so that made ALL black boys suspicious. Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what the so-called anti-Zimmerman folks have said repeatedly and exactly what Zimmerman's supporters have denied. That thing was full of so many dog whistles the white people in my office started looking around into the sky as I was reading it.

A few of my favorite parts:

The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.


Lol. Thanks for keeping it balanced. Fark rules. Only laws are worth following.


The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate.

Translation: He's probably a pretty good guy. Lets give him the benefit of doubt.


"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."


Here's the best one. Why the fark would a woman who is standing in front of the reporter have to identify her race to him?? GTFO of here. That's for the readers. Her purpose is to be what I call the reverse Magic Negro***. Her blackness is supposed to be what makes her statement so powerful. She is, supposedly, putting herself at risk by having a point of view that is counter to what the "reporter" believes all black people think about this case. The underlying message is that we're all reactionary animals who would gleefully kill her for daring to have another opinion. Smh. Naw, this doesn't move me at all.

***http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro
Example: The black guy in "The Hand that Rocks the Cradle".
2012-04-27 05:25:31 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: No don't you see. By giving the finger to the camera, this clearly justifies Zimmerman shooting Martin...somehow...


Trayvon shot first, amirite?
2012-04-27 05:25:01 PM  
1 votes:

meathome: Does it come furnished with physical security that also travels with you if you leave the site? A communication system that is a little bit more difficult to eavesdrop on than the avg. phone? A vehicle that can't be traced back to the occupants of the unit? A secure method of transferring a person (or persons) from a media storm to a secure undisclosed location? OPSEC issues and requirements for the company providing all of this?



The thing is, in the real world people aren't really getting most of that stuff unless they are actually protecting the president or a head of state. And if they're one of those folks they're renting two (or more) apartments from me, the second one housing their security team or station - and taxpayers are footing the bill.

And as far as communications..... cell phone. Everybody's got a cell phone now. You can tell me all about the theoretical need for encrypted yadda yadda, or whatever high end service provides what, but unless the government is providing it for someone in a sensitive position with access to classified info then everyone else is just getting a couple cell phones from AT&T or something. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but that's the reality.


I'm not even getting into the idea of having a monitored security system (which I'd assume you have).


For the kind of rent we're paying the buildings generally are controlled access, with RFID tags and a concierge. They may have a security guard in the lobby. That's about it. If someone has a special security need they will want to provide it for themselves anyway.... like a certain well-known actress we had staying with us once who made some awfully inflammatory statements (and frankly, just awful) about a certain right wing figure while staying with us and was suddenly getting a torrential flood of nasty death threats. Her assistant arranged for her security in a hurry, which was basically a guard to stay in her apartment with her, and then I believe others would pick them up in a car when they needed to travel.

If you include all that for the money you mentioned in your original post, I might get one for myself.

There's a lot more to security than the physical structure itself.


I agree in theory, but in the real world things are usually a whole LOT more mundane then what we all usually imagine or theorize. Except.... for the heads of state and government types I mentioned who have access to the most classified information. And even then, half the spooky guys just seem like regular Joes working a boring 9 to 5 and don't have earpiece-equipped dudes following them or anything.


/I'd still love to see just what the heck he spent it on

I'm guessing he spent it REALLY unwisely. He probably spent some of it legitimately, but blew a good portion on frivolous crap that his lawyer will have to try and get an accountant to help him obfuscate cleverly or something...
2012-04-27 05:23:35 PM  
1 votes:

rufus-t-firefly: jafiwam: The actions of others (not you, I know you are a bit better) calling for "justice for trayvon" seem to be pretty high-order hypocritical equivalent to jews advocating people being thrown in ovens.

Man, I've seen some ridiculous comparisons on Fark, but to say that wanting someone to be tried by a jury of his peers is equivalent to supporting the Holocaust is probably the most stupid thing I've ever read.


you haven't been here for a 9beers post then, have you?
2012-04-27 05:22:19 PM  
1 votes:

CliChe Guevara: that wasn't even a picture of trayvon in the first place


This one is real.
cdn2.dailycaller.com
Neither is relevant.
2012-04-27 05:20:35 PM  
1 votes:

SharkTrager: Really? I have yet to hear a legitimate criminal attorney who thinks the state has a chance in hell of conviction. I have seen some with a very obvious political or social agenda who have, but they also based their arguments on what they claimed was "justice" and not at all on the probability of a conviction.


Most people thought the OJ case was open and shut too, I don't think anyone can be sure what a FL jury is going to come back with.
2012-04-27 05:04:30 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: fracto73: Honestly, I think Zimmerman might be legally off the hook because of the stand your ground law.

Stand Your Ground doesn't enter into it.

If Zimmerman's story is correct, he didn't use deadly force until after he was knocked down and getting his ass beat. In every single state, no matter whether you initiated the fight or not, you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe you are in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm, and you can't escape. If someone has you pinned down and it banging your head, I think that counts.



If someone broke into your house and you were banging their head into the ground, would they have a green light to shoot you? I'm assuming your answer will be no so my follow up is going to be if Martin was standing his ground wouldn't the same theory apply here? That is why stand your ground matters.
2012-04-27 05:00:49 PM  
1 votes:
I bet at least a couple grand came from some farkers and commenters in these threads.
2012-04-27 04:58:52 PM  
1 votes:

keithgabryelski: All_Farked_Up: ocelot: I can't wait until this guy walks and the media turns into a puddle of WTF.

After the riots he'll be tried again and convicted. Just like the Rodney King case.

I love this presumption that a riot must happen because a black kid was involved.

The original reports that race had something to do with this died out when the recording that was reported as "coon" was revealed to be some other word (cold?).

The million hoodie march was peaceful, even at the height of this whole mess when a racial component was considered a primary motivation.

now, what do we have?

Martin's side is not pushing a racial tone.

But Zimmerman fans are certainly keeping it alive.


They are praying for riots. They think it will scare white people and hurt Obama in the election.
2012-04-27 04:54:53 PM  
1 votes:

you have pee hands: fracto73: I would replace the last two with:
-Kid stands his ground
-Zimm stands his ground

Honestly, I think Zimmerman might be legally off the hook because of the stand your ground law. I think the same would be true if Martin had beaten Zimmerman to death instead. Morally I think his poor judgement led to a dead kid, but in court the law is what matters.

I agree with this and I think it's the strangest thing. How can you have a law that basically boils down to "whoever shoots first wins" legally?

Florida.


It's not even so much "Who shoots first" it's "whoever's still standing when the cops get there". Ultimately, this case comes down to whatever Zimmerman says happened in the last critical seconds before Martin died, because EVERYTHING ELSE is irrelevant under the Stand Your Ground law. And it would have been the same if Zimmerman had been the one lying there dead from a fractured skull and Martin had been the one to say "I had to defend myself."
2012-04-27 04:53:11 PM  
1 votes:

beta_plus: Mrtraveler01: beta_plus: Aww, poor liberals didn't get a chance to shank Zimmerman in county to get "Justice for Trayvon".

Yawn.

Wake us up when you have better material. ;)

I'm sorry that your so butthurt that you're not going to get to send an innocent man to the electric chair.


I'm sorry you can't tell the difference between butthurt and plain mocking and ridicule.

It's ok...you'll learn eventually. ;)
2012-04-27 04:52:33 PM  
1 votes:

Great Odins Raven: Can't wait to watch the homies and nappy headed ho's burn their own neighborhoods because they are angry at whitey when this latino with african ancestry walks.


Toronto? They make your kind up there? Pity.
2012-04-27 04:51:19 PM  
1 votes:
tundratabloids.com

This fella recently recommended that the prosecutor in the case go ahead and retain legal council. Dershowitz claims that she pretty blatantly suborned perjury already and has acted otherwise unethically. He went on to say that this is going to trial solely based on politics. The governor had political (mob) pressure on his back so he had to find a pawn (moron) to take the heat off. So he found this lying crazy biatch.

"This affidavit submitted by the prosecutor in the Florida case is a crime," Dershowitz said. "It's a crime."


"If I were this prosecutor, I'd be hiring a lawyer at this point,"

Yay American justice system! USA USA USA
2012-04-27 04:50:39 PM  
1 votes:

keithgabryelski: beta_plus: Aww, poor liberals didn't get a chance to shank Zimmerman in county to get "Justice for Trayvon".

yeah, because this is a liberal vs. conservative issue


Everything is liberals vs conservatives for conservatives. "IF YOU'RE NOT WITH US, THEN YOU'RE AGAINST US!!", and related idiocy. Voicing disagreement to a conservative gets you immediately branded a liberal no matter what your political views (or lack thereof). And conservatives have to stand against anything they deem liberal, no matter how stupid or harmful or contrarian they're being.
2012-04-27 04:47:45 PM  
1 votes:

fracto73: I would replace the last two with:
-Kid stands his ground
-Zimm stands his ground

Honestly, I think Zimmerman might be legally off the hook because of the stand your ground law. I think the same would be true if Martin had beaten Zimmerman to death instead. Morally I think his poor judgement led to a dead kid, but in court the law is what matters.


I agree with this and I think it's the strangest thing. How can you have a law that basically boils down to "whoever shoots first wins" legally?

Florida.
2012-04-27 04:46:29 PM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: How many of you know how Paypal works? Even if you've got $200,000 in a Paypal account, you can not use it, in some cases for up to 90 days. Therefore, as he was unable to access the money, they did not have it to pay bond with.


That's only true of Ebay auctions.

For the "Donation" button, there's no waiting period. If you have a PayPal account and someone pays you directly (i.e. not through Ebay), you have access to the money immediately, and can access it with your PayPal debit card.

Of course, they put limits on how much you can withdraw in a given time period, but that doesn't mean you don't have the money. Legally, it's still your money and thus an asset to disclose, whether or not you can withdraw all of it at once.
2012-04-27 04:45:53 PM  
1 votes:

meathome: DROxINxTHExWIND: Weaver95: dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).

I don't know about living arrangements...but yeah, security is something I can see being a primary concern for Zimmerman. that's expensive to set up and he's gonna need someone watching his back if he plans on living through the trial. lot of people wouldn't mind seeing him fall down some stairs and onto a couple of bullets. so spending $50k on security guards and/or alarm systems and body armor wouldn't be out of the question.


Jesus, is there anything this guy does that you all can't find an explanation for?

Have you ever tried to do the stuff (on short notice, no less) related to dittybopper's comment?

It's not cheap. Seriously, look it up.

Now if that's what he's spending it on (reasonable assumption), then I'll press the "I believe" button on the expenses. If not, then yeah, totally ridiculous.

If his lawyer is smart, he's making sure that every penny is accounted for in a ledger so that if there's ever a question regarding it, it can be explained.

/can't believe he's got 200K in donations




You all are TOTALLY missing the point of my question. It could be that Zimmerman has a very legitimate reason for not disclosing the funds at his bond hearing. It could be that he has treated the donations like a responsible employee would treat his expense account, watching costs, spending only whats necessary, and keeping his documentation. This could ALL be on the up and up. But you mutherfarkers don't know that. Yet, here you all are with a thousand explanations for his actions...again. The easiest explanation here is that this guy LIED by omission in order to keep his bail low. The people who try to explain away Trayvons death by "looking at his history" are the same clowns who casually dismiss this guys pattern of lies and violence. It would be pretty entertaining if it weren't so sad.
2012-04-27 04:44:51 PM  
1 votes:

keithgabryelski: beta_plus: Aww, poor liberals didn't get a chance to shank Zimmerman in county to get "Justice for Trayvon".

yeah, because this is a liberal vs. conservative issue


Everything is a liberal vs. conservative issue to beta_plus

EVERYTHING!!!

/Must be a sad world to live in...thank God I don't live in that kind of world
2012-04-27 04:44:28 PM  
1 votes:

torr5962: So you're saying he ran a kid down while being held down with his head bashed against the pavement? Did he slip into another dimension to do this?

I'm not the judge or jury, I'm happy to let them decide, but, how I understand the event timeline is:

-Zimm is on community watch and he spots a "suspicious" person and follows. Probably imprudent.
-Kid sees he's being followed and doesn't like it, gets scared.
-Kid runs ahead and hides behind a house.
-Zimm stupidly follows, against the advice and urging of the 911 operator
-Kid jumps out and confronts Zimm, grabbing him by the neck and beating his head against the ground.
-Zimm shoots kid.

/I'm not going to dig up but I have read a number of them and that's the gist I take away from them. Zimm's got his day in court, let the best lawyer win let's hope that the truth will be revea


The timeline is flawed.

He was near his car during the fight--how could he have continue to pursue yet still be near his car?
He stopped pursuing when 911 operator told him to.
Martin came from Zimmerman's side and suckered him to the ground.
Martin was easily winning the fight, causing Zimmerbiatch to cry for help.
Zimm shoots Martin.

The whole situation sucks. Gun laws are mostly to blame in my mind, but also pitbulls (the main reason why Zimm got a gun).

A rush to judgment and a tabloid media created all the false information. By law, its a straight up self-defense case and will win in court unless the black community threatens to loot stores in Sanford, FL.


Brilliant trolling. Subtle. Hint of cilantro. 9/10.
2012-04-27 04:42:52 PM  
1 votes:
I would have thought that someone with somewhere between eight to ten beers here would have donated at least twice that amount.
2012-04-27 04:39:34 PM  
1 votes:

Mishno: 'cause the kid had him by the neck and was beating his head against the pavement?


Seems to me the kid had a right to defend himself against the gun wielding maniac that chased him down in after dark. If the kid had been better at defending himself, Zimmerman would be the dead guy, and Martin would be the one having to explain it. But Martin's story would have been something along the lines of "I didn't know who it was, or why he was following me. I tried to get away from him, and then I hid, but he found me." And Martin wouldn't have killed an unarmed man who was minding his own business. He would have killed an armed man who chased him down.
2012-04-27 04:37:41 PM  
1 votes:
He spent the 50k on hoodies for minorities....

/having a seat over there.
2012-04-27 04:29:52 PM  
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Weaver95: dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).

I don't know about living arrangements...but yeah, security is something I can see being a primary concern for Zimmerman. that's expensive to set up and he's gonna need someone watching his back if he plans on living through the trial. lot of people wouldn't mind seeing him fall down some stairs and onto a couple of bullets. so spending $50k on security guards and/or alarm systems and body armor wouldn't be out of the question.


Jesus, is there anything this guy does that you all can't find an explanation for?


Have you ever tried to do the stuff (on short notice, no less) related to dittybopper's comment?

It's not cheap. Seriously, look it up.

Now if that's what he's spending it on (reasonable assumption), then I'll press the "I believe" button on the expenses. If not, then yeah, totally ridiculous.

If his lawyer is smart, he's making sure that every penny is accounted for in a ledger so that if there's ever a question regarding it, it can be explained.

/can't believe he's got 200K in donations
2012-04-27 04:27:14 PM  
1 votes:
cretinbob: "Clearly this is Trayvon's fault, "

Well a while back Zimmerman was harassed by that neighborhood pitbull and subsequently spent about a thousand dollars on personal security. So you can see where spending 50 thousand for security from a possible angry mob would seem reasonable to him.

/yes, that's sarcasm
2012-04-27 04:26:08 PM  
1 votes:

rufus-t-firefly: jafiwam: The actions of others (not you, I know you are a bit better) calling for "justice for trayvon" seem to be pretty high-order hypocritical equivalent to jews advocating people being thrown in ovens.

Man, I've seen some ridiculous comparisons on Fark, but to say that wanting someone to be tried by a jury of his peers is equivalent to supporting the Holocaust is probably the most stupid thing I've ever read.


He went full retard.
2012-04-27 04:25:33 PM  
1 votes:

Mishno: 'cause the kid had him by the neck and was beating his head against the pavement?


That's not what happened.Did he hit his head on something? Yeah. But it wasn't repeatedly and it wasn't severe.

I'm wondering if O'Mara is going to stay on now. This looks bad for him.
2012-04-27 04:24:29 PM  
1 votes:
I think he deserves jail time, and some kind of ruling that keeps him from profiting from book/movie deals and similar things. Manslaughter, negligent homicide, 2nd degree murder, I honestly don't know exactly where it should fall. And if the court ends up ruling he's innocent, I won't like it, but at least it went to court, which is much better than the initial "Lets just ignore it so we don't have to investigate" plan.

Obviously, when the judge asks about your finances, lying is a bad plan.

But I don't see any real need for a higher bond. If he was going to run, he would have done it already. He was free, with no charges filed, and could have left the state, or the country. But when they decided to charge him, they didn't have to hunt him down, he turned himself in. He doesn't look like a flight risk to me.
2012-04-27 04:21:54 PM  
1 votes:
so the following makes for a good career path i suppose

find a minority all alone in a gated community (in Floriduh)
kill them
claim self-defense
get rednecks to give you free money
PROFIT!

/sheesh and some people claim the american dream is dead
//not serious
2012-04-27 04:21:37 PM  
1 votes:

doglover: Jake Havechek: Lying to the judge, ehh?

Seems little Georgy Porgy isn't as pure as the driven snow.

'That doesn't mean Treyvon didn't earn his halo. Let the jury decide, thanks.'


Honest people are more than glad to tell their stories.
They show enthusiasm.

Liars try to keep everything quiet, and call up Hannity for support.
2012-04-27 04:20:47 PM  
1 votes:

ocelot: I can't wait until this guy walks and the media turns into a puddle of WTF.


After the riots he'll be tried again and convicted. Just like the Rodney King case.
2012-04-27 04:19:05 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: DROxINxTHExWIND: Jesus, is there anything this guy does that you all can't find an explanation for?

Pretend you have a significant part of the population who would like nothing more than to see your brains splattered on the sidewalk. Would *YOU* continue living at your home address? Where would you live? With a relative, and possibly expose them to potential mob violence? What about your wife?

Would you drive the same car?

How would you eat? Would you go out shopping with your face being shown on every news broadcast, or would you order in?

These are practical questions completely divorced from whether you think Zimmerman acted correctly or not.


lifeandgossip.com

Too bad he can't sell his peashooter.
2012-04-27 04:18:52 PM  
1 votes:

Sweaty Dynamite: Actually this is no where close to what was said in the hearing. O'Mara told the judge that at the time of the bail hearing there was reason to believe that account may have had $150k in it and that since then the amount has increased to between $200k and $204k. In describing his understanding of how any monies had been disbursed from that account he indicated that Zimmerman had used "an amount" of those monies for personal expenses but left the impression that it was a diminimous amount.

O'mara then said that it took approximately 3 days to get the money transferred from that account to his trust account where it was now being held. So the truth of the matter is that Zimemrman's defense fund has INCREASED by $50k since his bail hearing as opposed to the "opposite day" reporting of the LA TImes.


Where'd you find this, if not the linked article?
2012-04-27 04:18:25 PM  
1 votes:

Mishno: valar_morghulis: DROxINxTHExWIND: Weaver95: dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).

I don't know about living arrangements...but yeah, security is something I can see being a primary concern for Zimmerman. that's expensive to set up and he's gonna need someone watching his back if he plans on living through the trial. lot of people wouldn't mind seeing him fall down some stairs and onto a couple of bullets. so spending $50k on security guards and/or alarm systems and body armor wouldn't be out of the question.


Jesus, is there anything this guy does that you all can't find an explanation for?

I'm still at a loss as to why he ran down and murdered a black kid.

'cause the kid had him by the neck and was beating his head against the pavement?


So you're saying he ran a kid down while being held down with his head bashed against the pavement? Did he slip into another dimension to do this?
2012-04-27 04:17:55 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).


That's a year of mortgage payments, 2 decent used cars, and eating out for a year.

Yeah, seems reasonable.
2012-04-27 04:13:47 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).

I don't know about living arrangements...but yeah, security is something I can see being a primary concern for Zimmerman. that's expensive to set up and he's gonna need someone watching his back if he plans on living through the trial. lot of people wouldn't mind seeing him fall down some stairs and onto a couple of bullets. so spending $50k on security guards and/or alarm systems and body armor wouldn't be out of the question.


Yeh, but even still, why didn't they just say they spent it on security arrangements? Apparently "whatever" costs ~$45,000 these days. Not exactly the language I would expect from an attorney in a court case, but hey, I'm not a lawyer.
2012-04-27 04:12:11 PM  
1 votes:

Car_Ramrod: But as it turns out, Zimmerman had in fact raised more than $200,000 from supporters on a website and PayPal account he established.

A fool and his money are soon parted.


Came here to say this. The only thing I would add (for the donors) is:
Ha Ha!
2012-04-27 04:10:23 PM  
1 votes:
My favorite part is when the people who cried, "nobody knows the facts! No one knows who threw the first punch!" began donating money to Zimmerman, while the Googled for pictures of Trayvon with his middle finger up. I guess they're not worried about having supported a murderer, if he is found guilty once all of the facts come out.
2012-04-27 02:55:12 PM  
1 votes:
Remember all those people who said he'd never get much in donations?

Good times.
2012-04-27 02:38:15 PM  
1 votes:
Lying to the judge, ehh?

Seems little Georgy Porgy isn't as pure as the driven snow.
2012-04-27 02:30:40 PM  
1 votes:
It seems a lot of people aren't RTFA. The 50k on living expenses isn't the issue. The issue is that his family told the judge he had no money.
2012-04-27 02:09:52 PM  
1 votes:

eurotrader: The point of a bond amount is to insure the accused shows up to court. The person is still presumed innocent and bond amounts are not supposed to be punitive. I doubt very much Zimmerman set up the PayPal account, his attorney on the other hand wants to be paid. If he was not overcharged there would be a question of excessive bond already.


As part of setting Bond, it is supposed to be high enough so that the accused and those funding it have the Financial incentive to insure the accused shows up as mandated. WE now learn that his family could pay off the bail bondsman with "donations" if he absconds, making 150K not a good guarantee for his continued cooperation with the Courts.

Additionally 2nd Degree Murder is not an overcharge as some suggest, since it can be argued he acted with depraved indifference in the events that led up to the shooting.
2012-04-27 01:54:38 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Serious Black: dittybopper: Serious Black:

IANAL by any stretch

With a name like "Serious Black", I bet you do.

Yes, because I am obviously a humorless African-American.

I was making an interracial anal sex joke. Why you have to ruin it? WHY?


Ain't it a pain in the ass when that happens?
2012-04-27 01:45:21 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: I_Am_Weasel: Weaver95: "The family members represented that they had no money, when in truth they really did," he told the judge. "...I don't know if they did that intentionally, or what."

I don't think you want to lie to a judge. if the judge decides the family lied to him, it will go badly for Zimmerman.

So you're saying that the judge was hoodwinked when he was told their life was not beer and skittles?

There seems to be a disturbing trend.

i'm saying that if the judge asks you the details of your finances, make sure you don't forget to mention the $200k you've got in a bank account somewhere. judges tend to get cranky about missing details like that, and when a judge gets cranky, they can do all kinds of things to make your life uncomfortable.


Absolutely. You don't want to be in the position of having lied to a judge.

Having said that, the devil is in the details, and Zimmerman's attorney reported it to the court when he found out about it. That counts a lot towards a judge saying "Honest mistake, don't let it happen again". Had it been the prosecutors office that reported it, the judge would likely be crankier.

Which brings up an interesting point: If they put up a public website where people could donate money to his defense, how come the DA didn't know about it? Is that indicative of their investigative prowess?
2012-04-27 01:37:04 PM  
1 votes:

Car_Ramrod: But as it turns out, Zimmerman had in fact raised more than $200,000 from supporters on a website and PayPal account he established.

A fool and his money are soon parted.


Heh... That was my first thought.

Isn't his daddy a retired judge, too?

Yeah, I'm sure the family was living in poverty.
2012-04-27 01:25:20 PM  
1 votes:
Any bets on how many lawyers Zimmerman goes through before this is all over?
 
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