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(LA Times)   Of the $200,000 in donations George Zimmerman raised from his website, he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"   (latimes.com) divider line 929
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2012-04-27 09:58:49 PM  

Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: Hell, I have a few people in here marked as "Trayvon Troll" in pretty pink

Well now I have to know if I'm one of "those".

Nope. :)


Whoo hoo!
 
2012-04-27 09:59:58 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Thunderpipes: People donated money to a guy that is being unfairly persecuted by the media, all liberals, the President, the Justice Department, the Black Panthers, Fark, Al, Jesse, and all black people in the country, with absolutely no evidence to show he did anything wrong.

Ladies and gentlemen, let's thank Thunderpipes here for proving that Vermont isn't all hippies. It has a pretty high proportion of rednecks, too!


Yeah but luckily they don't have much say in VT politics though.

/Thank God
 
2012-04-27 10:00:06 PM  

s2s2s2: Raspil: Anyone who "donates" money to this guy is a f*cking asshole.

Anyone that makes blanket statements is...nevermind.


I like warm blankets. Just not the diseased laden ones.
 
2012-04-27 10:04:23 PM  
Martin and ZImmerman meet up on the path. Martin says; why are you following me? Zimmerman says; what are you doing here?

We pretty much know that happened.

We know Zimmerman was upset from his statement to the 911 operator; "these assholes always get away". Why he decided that Martin, who by Zimmerman's own account was doing absolutely nothing illegal, was an asshole is a mystery.

What happened next? Here's a possible scenario. After being asked why he was there Martin responds with something along the line of; "screw you" and turned to walk away. Zimmerman, who has a history of aggression, grabs Martin and says; "you're not going anywhere till the cops get here." Now, having been assaulted and illegally detained Martin defends himself in attempt to free himself from Zimmerman. Zimmerman, now realizing that Martin is about to get away, reaches for his gun. Martin sees him reaching for his gun and hits him in the face, breaking Zimmerman's nose and then jumps on top of him and fearing for his life (rightly so as it turns out) starts hitting Zimmerman's head on the ground. Zimmerman manages to get his gun free and shoots Martin.
 
2012-04-27 10:04:51 PM  
Martin was on top, Zim was on the bottom, therefore Martin was 'beating the shiat out of him' or "he tried to kill someone..."

Now, obviously neither of those two were pro or semipro fighters. But tell me...who is in control in this picture? The guy on top or the guy on the bottom.
What might that look like in the dark, to an untrained eye?

multiplayerblog.mtv.com
 
2012-04-27 10:04:53 PM  

2wolves: s2s2s2: Raspil: Anyone who "donates" money to this guy is a f*cking asshole.

Anyone that makes blanket statements is...nevermind.

I like warm blankets. Just not the diseased laden ones.


I like you.
 
2012-04-27 10:05:06 PM  
Is subby retarded? This is very reasonable for a man in his position. I wouldn't take millions in exchange for the type of threats he has received. Now, he is facing the possibility of becoming a political prisoner in a supposedly free country. I'm sending him a couple hundred bucks as we speak.
 
2012-04-27 10:05:29 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: Mrtraveler01: Silly Jesus: Hell, I have a few people in here marked as "Trayvon Troll" in pretty pink

Well now I have to know if I'm one of "those".

Nope. :)

Whoo hoo!


I knew it would mean a lot to you. ;)
 
2012-04-27 10:07:19 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Now, obviously neither of those two were pro or semipro fighters. But tell me...who is in control in this picture? The guy on top or the guy on the bottom.
What might that look like in the dark, to an untrained eye?


I think there are laws against doing that in public.
 
2012-04-27 10:08:27 PM  
Wow, one of the 2 above mentioned persons came in as if on cue. And they DID NOT disappoint.
 
2012-04-27 10:08:42 PM  

Silly Jesus: I knew it would mean a lot to you. ;)


Pretty in Pink?
 
2012-04-27 10:10:51 PM  

NightOwl2255: We know Zimmerman was upset from his statement to the 911 operator; "these assholes always get away". Why he decided that Martin, who by Zimmerman's own account was doing absolutely nothing illegal, was an asshole is a mystery.


"F*cking coons" gives a clue to why Zimmerman targeted Trayvon in the first place. Zimmerman is no klansman. But his inability to control his racist impulse during a recorded telephone conversation with police, coupled with the fact that Trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong, gives rise to the inference that Zimmerman stereotyped a Trayvon as a criminal because of his race.

Also, we already know Zimmerman has told one lie for sure. In the 911 call, Zimmerman described Trayvon as a teenager. But on the stand, Zimmerman said he thought Trayvon was roughly his own age. It seems Zimmerman's story changes with what's most expedient to say in a given moment.
 
2012-04-27 10:18:27 PM  

bugontherug: Also, we already know Zimmerman has told one lie for sure. In the 911 call, Zimmerman described Trayvon as a teenager. But on the stand, Zimmerman said he thought Trayvon was roughly his own age. It seems Zimmerman's story changes with what's most expedient to say in a given moment.


that wasn't the first one either, or the last we will hear. of that i am sure.

/justified or violent psychopath, it doesn't matter, that man will go down due just to his inability to stop saying stupid shiat.
 
2012-04-27 10:24:27 PM  

CliChe Guevara: bugontherug: Also, we already know Zimmerman has told one lie for sure. In the 911 call, Zimmerman described Trayvon as a teenager. But on the stand, Zimmerman said he thought Trayvon was roughly his own age. It seems Zimmerman's story changes with what's most expedient to say in a given moment.

that wasn't the first one either, or the last we will hear. of that i am sure.

/justified or violent psychopath, it doesn't matter, that man will go down due just to his inability to stop saying stupid shiat.


What do you suppose is George's Fark handle?
 
2012-04-27 10:26:22 PM  
Hey, if people want to give that guy cash, then I have no problem with his spending it on whatever.

Am I supposed to feel bad for the donors here?
 
2012-04-27 10:31:42 PM  

Weaver95: "The family members represented that they had no money, when in truth they really did," he told the judge. "...I don't know if they did that intentionally, or what."

I don't think you want to lie to a judge. if the judge decides the family lied to him, it will go badly for Zimmerman.


Since when has income or assets played a role in your bail amount? Constitutionally it cannot since we all have equal protection under the law.
 
2012-04-27 10:33:44 PM  
Ah, same trolls, same fallacies, hell, it is still a zimm superthread on a friday. Fark is dependable if nothing else.
 
2012-04-27 10:34:40 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

He looks pissed when not delivering his sermon:

www.trbimg.com
 
2012-04-27 10:41:15 PM  

Zulu_as_Kono: Harridan: it tells ME that a lot of Americans want to make sure this guy gets a fair trial

What's wrong with a public defender, if he can't afford his own lawyer? How often do you see indigent defendants pulling in $200k in donations?


Are you that ignorant of how things work? Let's see...I will pretend that you are Zimmerman (only for making it easier for you to grasp), you have all of the news outlets covering your actions once a couple of nationally known race baiters and a black version of the KKK are placing a bounty on your head, then the POTUS puts his two cents in. Oh yeah, you have major media outlets deliberatly editing things to make you look worse than you did already. These same disgusting actions give your case worldwide coverage and this coverage pressures the governor of your state to chime in also. These calls for "justice" are enough to have the local prosecutor gin up a 2nd degree murder charge against you, while the grieving honor roll student's mom (just kidding, he was a pot dealer) filing trademark applications for phrases seen at the rally's held by the aforementioned race baiters . You have a locally well known attorney used by a local news station offer his services "free" due to the notoriety of this case, would YOU say nah, I want a public defender and turn down the services of said attorney? If so, please discuss...
 
2012-04-27 10:42:21 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: s2s2s2: How do you know that was wrong? It is tragic. It is unfortunate. But you don't know it was wrong.

It is wrong that the boy is dead. Wrong in the eyes of the law, and according to a jury? We don't know yet.

But it is wrong that an unarmed kid was shot.


Not if that kid attacked George. Not wrong in the eyes of the law, should not be in the eyes of a jury, and not wrong in any way. Kid tried to kill George according to evidence we know so far. Unless it is proven otherwise, George did nothing wrong.

Kid here in Burlington is still in bad shape, just had brain surgery because someone punched him in the head. Punches, and hitting a head into concrete can pretty easily kill. Tray was a wanna be killer who got called on his gangsta crap.
 
2012-04-27 10:43:52 PM  

LivefromGA: Zulu_as_Kono: Harridan: it tells ME that a lot of Americans want to make sure this guy gets a fair trial

What's wrong with a public defender, if he can't afford his own lawyer? How often do you see indigent defendants pulling in $200k in donations?

Are you that ignorant of how things work? Let's see...I will pretend that you are Zimmerman (only for making it easier for you to grasp), you have all of the news outlets covering your actions once a couple of nationally known race baiters and a black version of the KKK are placing a bounty on your head, then the POTUS puts his two cents in. Oh yeah, you have major media outlets deliberatly editing things to make you look worse than you did already. These same disgusting actions give your case worldwide coverage and this coverage pressures the governor of your state to chime in also. These calls for "justice" are enough to have the local prosecutor gin up a 2nd degree murder charge against you, while the grieving honor roll student's mom (just kidding, he was a pot dealer) filing trademark applications for phrases seen at the rally's held by the aforementioned race baiters . You have a locally well known attorney used by a local news station offer his services "free" due to the notoriety of this case, would YOU say nah, I want a public defender and turn down the services of said attorney? If so, please discuss...


And we have a winner!
 
2012-04-27 10:48:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Zulu_as_Kono: Thunderpipes: People donated money to a guy that is being unfairly persecuted by the media, all liberals, the President, the Justice Department, the Black Panthers, Fark, Al, Jesse, and all black people in the country, with absolutely no evidence to show he did anything wrong.

Ladies and gentlemen, let's thank Thunderpipes here for proving that Vermont isn't all hippies. It has a pretty high proportion of rednecks, too!

Yeah but luckily they don't have much say in VT politics though.

/Thank God


Well, guess rednecks actually believe in the Constitution and liberals don't, thanks for proving my point, Hitler.
 
2012-04-27 10:50:40 PM  
Mrtraveler01:
Everything is a liberal vs. conservative issue to beta_plus

EVERYTHING!!!

/Must be a sad world to live in...thank God I don't live in that kind of world


www.planetcalypsoforum.com
No Introduction Needed
 
2012-04-27 10:50:51 PM  

Thunderpipes: Mrtraveler01: Zulu_as_Kono: Thunderpipes: People donated money to a guy that is being unfairly persecuted by the media, all liberals, the President, the Justice Department, the Black Panthers, Fark, Al, Jesse, and all black people in the country, with absolutely no evidence to show he did anything wrong.

Ladies and gentlemen, let's thank Thunderpipes here for proving that Vermont isn't all hippies. It has a pretty high proportion of rednecks, too!

Yeah but luckily they don't have much say in VT politics though.

/Thank God

Well, guess rednecks actually believe in the Constitution and liberals don't, thanks for proving my point, Hitler.


Huh? What are you talking about?

You suck at this.
 
2012-04-27 10:52:19 PM  

GeneralJim: Mrtraveler01: Everything is a liberal vs. conservative issue to beta_plus

EVERYTHING!!!

/Must be a sad world to live in...thank God I don't live in that kind of world

[www.planetcalypsoforum.com image 310x164]
No Introduction Needed


I don't know why you needed to describe yourself in picture form but meh, whatever floats your boat I guess.
 
2012-04-27 10:53:11 PM  

Thunderpipes: Not if that kid attacked George.


And we do not know if he did or didn't.
 
2012-04-27 10:55:44 PM  

Silly Jesus: bugontherug: Silly Jesus: bugontherug: Silly Jesus:

You do realize that nothing you said is factual, don't you?

No, but I do realize that everything you say is trolltastic.


That any lawyer who has studied the case and spoken publicly completely disagrees with you?

0/10. The prosecuting attorney is a lawyer who has spoken publicly, and has conducted a factual investigation, and a legal analysis. Not only that, but days before Zimmerman hired him, O'Mara himself went on TV to say that Zimmerman's case was a sure loser.

That an extremely liberal Harvard law professor has said that the prosecutions case is so weak (lack of evidence that anything you assert is true) that their bringing the charges is unethical and they have committed a crime (suborning perjury) in an attempt to get their incredibly weak case through?


This one I'll give a 6/10 for what I'm pretty sure is the made up suborning perjury claim.

Well, a if a liberal said it, how can I possibly disagree with it? If he actually accused the prosecution of doing that without evidence, he should and will be sued.

I hate to do this, but you are just an incredibly stupid person. I am usually on the side of not ignoring people because that's "weak" etc. But your stupidity is actually painful. It is beyond the pale and you aren't even trolling. It's obvious that you aren't trolling because even trolls don't say the asinine things that you have. Even the people coming in here with the sole purpose of disrupting and baiting have more sound arguments. Hell, I have a few people in here marked as "Trayvon Troll" in pretty pink, but I still read their posts because every now and then they make a valid point. You have yet to say anything that is not completely contradictory to reality.

You sir, are an idiot, and my first ignore.

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2012-04-27 10:56:40 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Thunderpipes: Not if that kid attacked George.

And we do not know if he did or didn't.


All the evidence (Georges head injuries, eye witnesses) point to him attacking Zimmerman.
 
2012-04-27 11:04:04 PM  

redhook: All the evidence (Georges head injuries, eye witnesses) point to him attacking Zimmerman.


No, it doesn't. There is no witness (as far as we know) to the start of the altercation. Zimmerman's injuries simply point to him losing the altercation. Zimmerman has a documented history of violence and aggression and Martin does not. Zimmerman had already expressed his anger that "these assholes always get away". If anything, the evidence points to Zimmerman being the aggressor.
 
2012-04-27 11:06:49 PM  

redhook: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Thunderpipes: Not if that kid attacked George.

And we do not know if he did or didn't.

All the evidence (Georges head injuries, eye witnesses) point to him attacking Zimmerman.


Some of the evidence you left out:

Trayvon Martin's dead, unarmed body
The 911 call where Zimmerman states he is following Martin (while armed)

www.deviantart.com
 
2012-04-27 11:12:01 PM  

Brainsick: Trayvon Martin's dead, unarmed body
The 911 call where Zimmerman states he is following Martin (while armed)


Anything a person can use as a deadly weapon in a crime can be considered a deadly weapon. Martin was bashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk with his hands, therefore Martin's hands were, at that moment, deadly weapons, so he was not 'unarmed'.

Additionally, there is no proof that he followed him after the 911 operator told him that he didn't need to do that. According to Zimmerman and the 911 call he lose sight of Martin and according to Zimmerman he then returned to his vehicle, when Martin assaulted him.
 
2012-04-27 11:12:44 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Martin was on top, Zim was on the bottom, therefore Martin was 'beating the shiat out of him' or "he tried to kill someone..."

Now, obviously neither of those two were pro or semipro fighters. But tell me...who is in control in this picture? The guy on top or the guy on the bottom.
What might that look like in the dark, to an untrained eye?

[multiplayerblog.mtv.com image 575x300]


The guy holding the PS3 controller?
 
2012-04-27 11:20:44 PM  

redhook: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Thunderpipes: Not if that kid attacked George.

And we do not know if he did or didn't.

All the evidence (Georges head injuries, eye witnesses) point to him attacking Zimmerman.


yeah, martin hopped out of his car and ran him down and confronted him and everything.
 
2012-04-27 11:20:59 PM  
As I have said before, Zimmerman shot Martin and was such a wimp that the gun kicked back and smacked him in the nose, knocking him off his feet and making him hit his head on the concrete.
 
2012-04-27 11:22:14 PM  

ulairix: Brainsick: Trayvon Martin's dead, unarmed body
The 911 call where Zimmerman states he is following Martin (while armed)

Anything a person can use as a deadly weapon in a crime can be considered a deadly weapon. Martin was bashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk with his hands, therefore Martin's hands were, at that moment, deadly weapons, so he was not 'unarmed'.

Additionally, there is no proof that he followed him after the 911 operator told him that he didn't need to do that. According to Zimmerman and the 911 call he lose sight of Martin and according to Zimmerman he then returned to his vehicle, when Martin assaulted him.


No proof, except the 911 call where you can hear him following Martin after the operator told him that. And for your next gambit (It's not illegal to follow someone), remember there's a little thing called 'intent' and 'reasonable cause'. Zimmerman had no reasonable cause to follow Martin, and certainly had no obligation or duty to do so, and that brings his intent into question, which is why there should have been a trial date set already, which is why this is an issue. Get it?

/I posted facts and you countered with speculation? Color me shocked.
//You too, have failed at life.
 
2012-04-27 11:22:37 PM  

NightOwl2255: redhook: All the evidence (Georges head injuries, eye witnesses) point to him attacking Zimmerman.

No, it doesn't. There is no witness (as far as we know) to the start of the altercation. Zimmerman's injuries simply point to him losing the altercation. Zimmerman has a documented history of violence and aggression and Martin does not. Zimmerman had already expressed his anger that "these assholes always get away". If anything, the evidence points to Zimmerman being the aggressor.

From his cousin's twitter: "yu ain't tell me yu swung on a bus driver" I would beg to differ on the violent nature of this guy, however, if I ever had to ride a bus, school or city I would've wanted "no limit nubian" on my side I guess.

 
2012-04-27 11:24:35 PM  
For the uninformed, that was Trayvon's twitter handle, not my words...
 
2012-04-27 11:32:15 PM  
Okay, thanks for altering HIS TWITTER NAME, let's see how cracker goes through since that is black people's derogatory term for white people.
 
2012-04-27 11:33:46 PM  

LivefromGA: From his cousin's twitter: "yu ain't tell me yu swung on a bus driver" I would beg to differ on the violent nature of this guy, however, if I ever had to ride a bus, school or city I would've wanted "no limit nubian" on my side I guess.


Any proof he actually assaulted a bus driver? Any police report? Any bus driver claiming he was assaulted? Any proof in Martin's leaked records? Nope. None.
 
2012-04-27 11:35:36 PM  
Just as I thought you bunch of hypocrites.
 
2012-04-27 11:41:20 PM  

NightOwl2255: redhook: All the evidence (Georges head injuries, eye witnesses) point to him attacking Zimmerman.

No, it doesn't. There is no witness (as far as we know) to the start of the altercation. Zimmerman's injuries simply point to him losing the altercation. Zimmerman has a documented history of violence and aggression and Martin does not. Zimmerman had already expressed his anger that "these assholes always get away". If anything, the evidence points to Zimmerman being the aggressor.


Losing the altercation is why he was justified in shooting Martin. See 776.041.
 
2012-04-27 11:46:33 PM  

s2s2s2: Losing the altercation is why he was justified in shooting Martin. See 776.041.


True but that's a lame excuse. So even if you started the fight, you can shoot someone as a cop-out for a stupid mistake you made?

Personal responsibility my ass.
 
2012-04-27 11:47:21 PM  

NightOwl2255: LivefromGA: From his cousin's twitter: "yu ain't tell me yu swung on a bus driver" I would beg to differ on the violent nature of this guy, however, if I ever had to ride a bus, school or city I would've wanted "no limit nubian" on my side I guess.

Any proof he actually assaulted a bus driver? Any police report? Any bus driver claiming he was assaulted? Any proof in Martin's leaked records? Nope. None.


I will let his tweets, friends and relatives speak for themselves. You say leaked as though someone tried to seal or hide them, why would they do that (rhetorical question)? Either way, how many people have said their dog never bit anyone? What does that matter? Is Zimmerman's nose less broke?

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-deal e r
 
2012-04-27 11:51:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: s2s2s2: Losing the altercation is why he was justified in shooting Martin. See 776.041.

True but that's a lame excuse. So even if you started the fight, you can shoot someone as a cop-out for a stupid mistake you made?

Personal responsibility my ass.


Not really. It's been said before. If I slap you, you can't try to kill me. If you try to kill me, I can kill you. It is reasonable and fair. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
 
2012-04-27 11:54:09 PM  

Brainsick: ulairix: Brainsick: Trayvon Martin's dead, unarmed body
The 911 call where Zimmerman states he is following Martin (while armed)

Anything a person can use as a deadly weapon in a crime can be considered a deadly weapon. Martin was bashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk with his hands, therefore Martin's hands were, at that moment, deadly weapons, so he was not 'unarmed'.

Additionally, there is no proof that he followed him after the 911 operator told him that he didn't need to do that. According to Zimmerman and the 911 call he lose sight of Martin and according to Zimmerman he then returned to his vehicle, when Martin assaulted him.

No proof, except the 911 call where you can hear him following Martin after the operator told him that. And for your next gambit (It's not illegal to follow someone), remember there's a little thing called 'intent' and 'reasonable cause'. Zimmerman had no reasonable cause to follow Martin, and certainly had no obligation or duty to do so, and that brings his intent into question, which is why there should have been a trial date set already, which is why this is an issue. Get it?

/I posted facts and you countered with speculation? Color me shocked.
//You too, have failed at life.


Umm...once again, the media's selective editing. What you didn't hear was the statement after "you don't need to do that"', that was "O.K.".
 
2012-04-27 11:56:12 PM  

Brainsick: ulairix: Brainsick: Trayvon Martin's dead, unarmed body
The 911 call where Zimmerman states he is following Martin (while armed)

Anything a person can use as a deadly weapon in a crime can be considered a deadly weapon. Martin was bashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk with his hands, therefore Martin's hands were, at that moment, deadly weapons, so he was not 'unarmed'.

Additionally, there is no proof that he followed him after the 911 operator told him that he didn't need to do that. According to Zimmerman and the 911 call he lose sight of Martin and according to Zimmerman he then returned to his vehicle, when Martin assaulted him.

No proof, except the 911 call where you can hear him following Martin after the operator told him that. And for your next gambit (It's not illegal to follow someone), remember there's a little thing called 'intent' and 'reasonable cause'. Zimmerman had no reasonable cause to follow Martin, and certainly had no obligation or duty to do so, and that brings his intent into question, which is why there should have been a trial date set already, which is why this is an issue. Get it?

/I posted facts and you countered with speculation? Color me shocked.
//You too, have failed at life.


He followed him to see what he was up to. That's perfectly legal. What are you arguing? A trial date for 2nd degree murder should be set because he followed someone?
 
2012-04-27 11:57:02 PM  
Ignore is for the weak.
 
2012-04-27 11:57:27 PM  

NightOwl2255: Silly Jesus: I knew it would mean a lot to you. ;)

Pretty in Pink?


Yes indeedy. Beautiful in pink.
 
2012-04-27 11:59:40 PM  

jso2897: Serious Black: Vodka Zombie: As an Irish-American, I find your continual sneering references to "shenanigans" offensive.
And I frown upon them.


I will believe that when me shiat turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert.
 
2012-04-28 12:01:54 AM  

LivefromGA: NightOwl2255: LivefromGA: From his cousin's twitter: "yu ain't tell me yu swung on a bus driver" I would beg to differ on the violent nature of this guy, however, if I ever had to ride a bus, school or city I would've wanted "no limit nubian" on my side I guess.

Any proof he actually assaulted a bus driver? Any police report? Any bus driver claiming he was assaulted? Any proof in Martin's leaked records? Nope. None.

I will let his tweets, friends and relatives speak for themselves. You say leaked as though someone tried to seal or hide them, why would they do that (rhetorical question)? Either way, how many people have said their dog never bit anyone? What does that matter? Is Zimmerman's nose less broke?

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-deal e r


Yes, a tweet from his cousin proves that Martin was a demon beast lurking Zimmerman's neighborhood for plunder and blood, and that Zimmerman was a heroic knight slaying the evil creature. The lack of any police or juvenile records for Martin doesn't matter, only a cousin's tweet and a suspension from school are all the evidence we need to show that Martin deserved to die.

I'm not condemning Zimmerman, but maybe your side could stop trying to paint Martin as some evil punk on the prowl.
 
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