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2012-04-27 05:28:49 PM

s2s2s2: mongbiohazard: Guaranteed victory Loss on the grounds of insufficient evidence.



You know what I was getting at. Just being cynical about the state of the average American jury....
 
2012-04-27 05:29:09 PM

CliChe Guevara: i don't get it? what is the photo of zimmerman supposed to prove again? you know, other than that there was a fight, which we already knew about?

i don't think that picture means what you think it means.


He started a fight he couldn't win. Don't you know that if you do that you're allowed to shoot the other guy?
 
2012-04-27 05:29:36 PM

Thunderpipes: Some white dude in Alabama got his ass kicked by a group of black guys who yelled that it was for Traypacks.

Weird, nothing from Obama, or Holder, or Al, or Jesse.


hmm. maybe because those violent farks were immediately arrested and locked up where they should be, as opposed to being hailed as a hero bravely ethnically cleansing our streets and keeping us safe?
 
2012-04-27 05:30:25 PM
When I was young and growing up in the 70's my future world was going to be one of landing on Mars, flying cars, massive prosperity, scientific progress, societal equality...it was going to be grand...

Reading posts from people who support Zimmerman makes me realize the one thing I didn't count on ruining that vision was the high percentage of people in this world who would turn out to be absolute morons.
 
2012-04-27 05:30:34 PM

vegasj: Thunderpipes: Some white dude in Alabama got his ass kicked by a group of black guys who yelled that it was for Traypacks.

Weird, nothing from Obama, or Holder, or Al, or Jesse. No hate crime charges even.

Racism and double standards, how does it work, liberals?

Empty question.

You will never get your answer, you will only be called a racist. Trust me.


He'll never respond to the fact that Alabama is a place where liberals hold no power, so blaming them for not charging people is probably the most retarded comment in the thread, except for yours of course.
 
2012-04-27 05:30:55 PM

dittybopper: If Zimmerman's story is correct, he didn't use deadly force until after he was knocked down and getting his ass beat. In every single state, no matter whether you initiated the fight or not, you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe you are in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm, and you can't escape. If someone has you pinned down and it banging your head, I think that counts.


That's a stupid lie and you're stupid for saying it. That's even dumber then GED in law level of stupid, that's how stupid your legal "advice is." You should feel bad for even typing something that stupid.
 
2012-04-27 05:32:02 PM

mongbiohazard: You know what I was getting at. Just being cynical about the state of the average American jury....


If Tray started that shiat, you must acquiat!
 
2012-04-27 05:32:43 PM
s2s2s2:
Trayvon shot first, amirite?


No, HAN shot first
 
2012-04-27 05:32:49 PM

Headso: vegasj: Thunderpipes: Some white dude in Alabama got his ass kicked by a group of black guys who yelled that it was for Traypacks.

Weird, nothing from Obama, or Holder, or Al, or Jesse. No hate crime charges even.

Racism and double standards, how does it work, liberals?

Empty question.

You will never get your answer, you will only be called a racist. Trust me.

He'll never respond to the fact that Alabama is a place where liberals hold no power, so blaming them for not charging people is probably the most retarded comment in the thread, except for yours of course.


No don't you see.

This PROVES that liberals are conspiring with each other to persecute white people for being white...or something...
 
2012-04-27 05:33:10 PM

Weaver95: if the judge decides the family lied to him, it will go badly for Zimmerman.


That and the whole part about following the kid after he was told not to and escalating the encounter into a deadly confrontation.
 
2012-04-27 05:33:12 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus

You seem to be a fairly reasonable guy. If you find the time, read this very well written article by Reuters that delves into Zimmerman's past. I think that it is actually quite neutral on the situation and it sheds some light on what may have been in Zimmerman's mind on that night that drove his "prejudices."

Reuters on Zimmerman (Pops)


So, according to the "neutral" article, George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin because he was scared of dogs and black people. There were black people breaking into homes, so that made ALL black boys suspicious. Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what the so-called anti-Zimmerman folks have said repeatedly and exactly what Zimmerman's supporters have denied. That thing was full of so many dog whistles the white people in my office started looking around into the sky as I was reading it.

A few of my favorite parts:

The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.

Lol. Thanks for keeping it balanced. Fark rules. Only laws are worth following.


The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate.

Translation: He's probably a pretty good guy. Lets give him the benefit of doubt.


"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."


Here's the best one. Why the fark would a woman who is standing in front of the reporter have to identify her race to him?? GTFO of here. That's for the readers. Her purpose is to be what I call the reverse Magic Negro***. Her blackness is supposed ...


I gave you too much credit. Never mind. Carry on.
 
2012-04-27 05:33:24 PM

s2s2s2: mongbiohazard: You know what I was getting at. Just being cynical about the state of the average American jury....

If Tray started that shiat, you must acquiat!


i208.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-27 05:35:16 PM

Gyrfalcon: ThisIsNotSubtle: Any bets on how many lawyers Zimmerman goes through before this is all over?

Zimmerman's (current) lawyer was on TruTV this morning just before I changed the channel in pure apathy, detailing how much it was going to cost HIM to put on his case. He's already up to $400,000, for a thousand hours of work at a "low rate" of $400/hour.

I mean, sure, this case is going to cost plenty in terms of billable hours; but I don't doubt for a second that the film and book rights are already pending. You could at least TRY not to sound like such a heartless bottom-feeder, counselor.


400/dollars an hour? For that price I could hire a freaking harem of attractive non-meth hookers by the hour and have enough left over to get enough lobbyists to make prostitution legal.
 
2012-04-27 05:35:20 PM

you have pee hands: CliChe Guevara: i don't get it? what is the photo of zimmerman supposed to prove again? you know, other than that there was a fight, which we already knew about?

i don't think that picture means what you think it means.

He started a fight he couldn't win. Don't you know that if you do that you're allowed to shoot the other guy?




What I don't understand is this.

I start a fight. Guy #2 can legally defend himself as long as there is an immediate threat of bodily harm. He can't, however, continue once that threat is no longer viable.

So, I start it, #2 starts beating my ass, breaks my nose, slamming my head into the ground. Once I've stopped fighting back, he continues.

How is that self-defense?

And since it isn't, Trayvon could have theoretically (NONE of us has a clue what really happened) run, or stood up and waited to see if Zimmerman would attack again, or just held him down until the cops came. Once he passes that point, and continues beating on Zimmerman, and it transforms from "fistfight" to "someone may die here" wouldn't Zimmerman be justified in defending himself, up to and including lethal force?
 
2012-04-27 05:35:22 PM

mongbiohazard: I'm guessing he spent it REALLY unwisely. He probably spent some of it legitimately, but blew a good portion on frivolous crap that his lawyer will have to try and get an accountant to help him obfuscate cleverly or something...


And we have our answer. How many folks have you seen go overboard with the security because they didn't know better?

It's practicly its own industry.

As for your other responses. All true. Still, in IRL it's done and it costs a lot. You don't have to be a head of state to get it, but you do need to pay for it.

/used to be in that business
 
2012-04-27 05:35:43 PM
Back of the envelope, I'd say 996 out of 1,000 black people think lynching him on TV is entirely reasonable and an application of justice.
 
2012-04-27 05:36:00 PM
Whar Politics tab, whar?
 
2012-04-27 05:36:02 PM

Headso: SharkTrager: Really? I have yet to hear a legitimate criminal attorney who thinks the state has a chance in hell of conviction. I have seen some with a very obvious political or social agenda who have, but they also based their arguments on what they claimed was "justice" and not at all on the probability of a conviction.
Most people thought the OJ case was open and shut too, I don't think anyone can be sure what a FL jury is going to come back with.


Nobody knows WTF the actual evidence is yet, so who knows. But unless there's some bombshell evidence (!!!!--that much), 2nd degree murder is a bit much.

That's a really terrible law, is what I'm trying to say.
 
2012-04-27 05:36:14 PM

mongbiohazard: I do high-end, short term fully furnished apartments for a living and have been for around 9 years now.


Fascinating; while waiting for my house to get built we took a super-short term furnished apartment in Friendship Heights (don't know that it was high-end... but you get the picture).

The company was super great, easy to work with, took credit card over the phone, let me cancel at a half-month point.

/And then never noticed that the kitties completely tore up the mattress box spring!
 
2012-04-27 05:36:22 PM

dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).


I'm renting a 3,000 sq ft house, and a YEAR'S rent is less than half of that. We spend $1,500/month on rent, and that puts us right around $19k. $50 grand is a lot more than just renting a 'weekly efficiency apartment'. Let's say one of those is $600/week(Which is pretty safe for a 1 bedroom), that's $2,400 a month, it would take over a year and a half to spend $50 grand.

He's blowing thru the cash people gave him for his defense, and he was hpoing that he'd get away with it.
 
2012-04-27 05:41:41 PM
1. Shoot unarmed black child
2. Claim self defense
3. Solicit money from bigots
4. ???
5. Profit!
 
2012-04-27 05:43:48 PM

Headso: vegasj: Thunderpipes: Some white dude in Alabama got his ass kicked by a group of black guys who yelled that it was for Traypacks.

Weird, nothing from Obama, or Holder, or Al, or Jesse. No hate crime charges even.

Racism and double standards, how does it work, liberals?

Empty question.

You will never get your answer, you will only be called a racist. Trust me.

He'll never respond to the fact that Alabama is a place where liberals hold no power, so blaming them for not charging people is probably the most retarded comment in the thread, except for yours of course.


That and they do plan on charging the attackers, plus multiple witnesses put the victim as harrassing neighborhood children with a knife (the guy himself has a long history of violence and sexual assault). So it's not exactly analogous.

Also, using a criminal act as an analogy to Zimmerman's case is pretty dumb in general unless the person making the analogy is trying to equate Zimmerman as a criminal, which doesn't appear to be the motive they were going for.
 
2012-04-27 05:43:53 PM
Silly Jesus

I gave you too much credit. Never mind. Carry on.

"Lets discuss this. Here is an article that I feel explains it"

*Honest debate from DRO*

"Give me my ball. I'm going home".

/Lol. I will
//Have a good weekend
 
2012-04-27 05:44:05 PM
He used the magic weapon known as Fox News to defend himself.
 
2012-04-27 05:44:38 PM

Mikey1969: dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).

I'm renting a 3,000 sq ft house, and a YEAR'S rent is less than half of that. We spend $1,500/month on rent, and that puts us right around $19k. $50 grand is a lot more than just renting a 'weekly efficiency apartment'. Let's say one of those is $600/week(Which is pretty safe for a 1 bedroom), that's $2,400 a month, it would take over a year and a half to spend $50 grand.

He's blowing thru the cash people gave him for his defense, and he was hpoing that he'd get away with it.


He is either getting off or it's going to the Supreme. What would you do while waiting?
 
2012-04-27 05:45:30 PM

Oldiron_79: No, HAN shot first


Han Cholo?

/sad trombone is sad.
 
2012-04-27 05:46:35 PM

Timmy the Tumor: What I don't understand is this.

I start a fight. Guy #2 can legally defend himself as long as there is an immediate threat of bodily harm. He can't, however, continue once that threat is no longer viable.

So, I start it, #2 starts beating my ass, breaks my nose, slamming my head into the ground. Once I've stopped fighting back, he continues.

How is that self-defense?

And since it isn't, Trayvon could have theoretically (NONE of us has a clue what really happened) run, or stood up and waited to see if Zimmerman would attack again, or just held him down until the cops came. Once he passes that point, and continues beating on Zimmerman, and it transforms from "fistfight" to "someone may die here" wouldn't Zimmerman be justified in defending himself, up to and including lethal force?


I think in your situation you'd be correct, that at some point it stops being self defense and starts being battery, though I think it's pretty clear that Zimmerman was still fighting back. I mean, shooting someone is fighting back. Also, if he were near unconsciousness from getting his head beat in and pinned to the ground, he would have had a lot of trouble drawing a weapon, so it probably wasn't that one sided.

I think Florida's law does seem to create a situation where both parties can feel that they're defending themselves, and then it's just a matter of who shoots to kill first. That's pretty farked up. If one thing comes from this I hope they take a look at the stand your ground law.
 
2012-04-27 05:47:11 PM

austin_millbarge: When I was young and growing up in the 70's my future world was going to be one of landing on Mars, flying cars, massive prosperity, scientific progress, societal equality...it was going to be grand...

Reading posts from people who support Zimmerman makes me realize the one thing I didn't count on ruining that vision was the high percentage of people in this world who would turn out to be absolute morons.


www.alandershowitz.com

"absolute moron"

amiright?
 
2012-04-27 05:47:11 PM
There's something most people don't know about George, he has/had a massive collection of Precious Moments dolls. Check out some of the Precious Moments message boards to see for yourself. I mean, that's kind of weird, but I would say that shows you his real character. George is a-ok in my book, I wish him the best of luck, the jury will see the truth and clear him of all charges.
 
2012-04-27 05:47:58 PM

Satanic_Hamster: dittybopper: If Zimmerman's story is correct, he didn't use deadly force until after he was knocked down and getting his ass beat. In every single state, no matter whether you initiated the fight or not, you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe you are in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm, and you can't escape. If someone has you pinned down and it banging your head, I think that counts.

That's a stupid lie and you're stupid for saying it. That's even dumber then GED in law level of stupid, that's how stupid your legal "advice is." You should feel bad for even typing something that stupid.


It is entirely accurate. Look up state laws.

Here is Vermont's:

§ 2305. Justifiable homicide

If a person kills or wounds another under any of the circumstances enumerated below, he or she shall be guiltless:

(1) In the just and necessary defense of his or her own life or the life of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, sister, master, mistress, servant, guardian or ward; or

(2) In the suppression of a person attempting to commit murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, burglary or robbery, with force or violence; or

(3) In the case of a civil officer; or a military officer or private soldier when lawfully called out to suppress riot or rebellion, or to prevent or suppress invasion, or to assist in serving legal process, in suppressing opposition against him or her in the just and necessary discharge of his or her duty. (Amended 1983, No. 23, § 2.)
 
2012-04-27 05:48:12 PM

mekkab: mongbiohazard: I do high-end, short term fully furnished apartments for a living and have been for around 9 years now.

Fascinating; while waiting for my house to get built we took a super-short term furnished apartment in Friendship Heights (don't know that it was high-end... but you get the picture).

The company was super great, easy to work with, took credit card over the phone, let me cancel at a half-month point.

/And then never noticed that the kitties completely tore up the mattress box spring!



So that was YOU! ;) Just kidding.

It may have been one of my competitors... We work in a gorgeous building in that area too though, but we do 30 day minimum and stick to that. Government folks can get to leave whenever they need to if they provide us with a copy of their orders, but individuals we'll definitely hold to our 30-day notice period. We all take credit cards via the phone, though you'll need to email your actual lease agreement back to us. But all that stuff is done remotely these days.

I'm glad my competitor treated you well though... they aren't all necessarily pleasant to work with, and some of them have cleanliness issues. That's why we command the highest price and STILL beat the crap out of all of our competition. Ours isn't the cheapest, but ours is consistently the nicest for sure.

/sigh

We succeeded so well in this market our parent company just sold us off to the old #1 - now #2 - who we've been just shredding the last few years. Done in by our own success. Now most of us are worker bees are probably going to need to find new jobs in a few weeks, and the executives all get fat bonuses and payouts... the rest of us get missed rent payments. Aint that a biatch?
 
2012-04-27 05:50:31 PM
Anyone who "donates" money to this guy is a f*cking asshole.
 
2012-04-27 05:51:01 PM

Thunderpipes: Satanic_Hamster: dittybopper: If Zimmerman's story is correct, he didn't use deadly force until after he was knocked down and getting his ass beat. In every single state, no matter whether you initiated the fight or not, you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe you are in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm, and you can't escape. If someone has you pinned down and it banging your head, I think that counts.

That's a stupid lie and you're stupid for saying it. That's even dumber then GED in law level of stupid, that's how stupid your legal "advice is." You should feel bad for even typing something that stupid.

It is entirely accurate. Look up state laws.

Here is Vermont's:

§ 2305. Justifiable homicide

If a person kills or wounds another under any of the circumstances enumerated below, he or she shall be guiltless:

(1) In the just and necessary defense of his or her own life or the life of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, sister, master, mistress, servant, guardian or ward; or

(2) In the suppression of a person attempting to commit murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, burglary or robbery, with force or violence; or

(3) In the case of a civil officer; or a military officer or private soldier when lawfully called out to suppress riot or rebellion, or to prevent or suppress invasion, or to assist in serving legal process, in suppressing opposition against him or her in the just and necessary discharge of his or her duty. (Amended 1983, No. 23, § 2.)


Silly troll account, no where does it say that you can start a crime or a fight and then claim it's self defense. You're not allowed to walk up to a stranger, biatch slap them, and then shoot them if they fight back.

And if you ARE allowed, I need your home address.
 
2012-04-27 05:53:24 PM
I heard that the deceased child smashed in Zim's skull and castrated him.
 
2012-04-27 05:54:00 PM
There is also more to that story, about 10 years ago, George was volunteering at a retirement home. He would go every Saturday morning and talk to the elderly people there who had no one to visit them. There was this little old lady there in her late 90s, they called her Rosie (she had rosie cheeks), he took an interest to her right away. The one thing that really made Rosie happy was those freaky little Precious Moments dolls, at the time she only had one, but really wanted more. So George would always look for these dolls at garage sales, thrift stores, and sometime eBay for a specific doll. Every week he had a new doll for Rosie, and her smile would light up the room from every visit and new doll George brought her. This went on for about a year until she passed, so in memory of Rosie, George just kept on picking up one a week when he could. I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like a cold blooded killer to me.
 
2012-04-27 05:55:00 PM

torr5962: Martin came from Zimmerman's side and suckered him to the ground.
Martin was easily winning the fight, causing Zimmerbiatch to cry for help.


oh please. Only two people know this much detail.

Only one of them can tell us.
 
2012-04-27 05:55:15 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Thunderpipes: Satanic_Hamster: dittybopper: If Zimmerman's story is correct, he didn't use deadly force until after he was knocked down and getting his ass beat. In every single state, no matter whether you initiated the fight or not, you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe you are in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm, and you can't escape. If someone has you pinned down and it banging your head, I think that counts.

That's a stupid lie and you're stupid for saying it. That's even dumber then GED in law level of stupid, that's how stupid your legal "advice is." You should feel bad for even typing something that stupid.

It is entirely accurate. Look up state laws.

Here is Vermont's:

§ 2305. Justifiable homicide

If a person kills or wounds another under any of the circumstances enumerated below, he or she shall be guiltless:

(1) In the just and necessary defense of his or her own life or the life of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, sister, master, mistress, servant, guardian or ward; or

(2) In the suppression of a person attempting to commit murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, burglary or robbery, with force or violence; or

(3) In the case of a civil officer; or a military officer or private soldier when lawfully called out to suppress riot or rebellion, or to prevent or suppress invasion, or to assist in serving legal process, in suppressing opposition against him or her in the just and necessary discharge of his or her duty. (Amended 1983, No. 23, § 2.)

Silly troll account, no where does it say that you can start a crime or a fight and then claim it's self defense. You're not allowed to walk up to a stranger, biatch slap them, and then shoot them if they fight back.

And if you ARE allowed, I need your home address.


Would not work out well for you. I am a conservative, I work.

Now, where is this evidence that Zimmerman started a fight?
 
2012-04-27 05:55:42 PM
When you rely on cable tv programming, you watch a lot of CSI, America's Most Wanted and Cops.

And when you watch Cops, you start to think you're a cop.

And when you start to think you're cop, you grab your gun and go out at night looking for trouble.

And when you grab your gun and go out at night looking for trouble, you find trouble.

And when you have a gun and you find trouble, people with Skittles die.

Don't go out at night with your gun looking for trouble.

Get rid of cable and upgrade to Direct TV.
 
2012-04-27 05:56:10 PM

Timmy the Tumor: you have pee hands: CliChe Guevara: i don't get it? what is the photo of zimmerman supposed to prove again? you know, other than that there was a fight, which we already knew about?

i don't think that picture means what you think it means.

He started a fight he couldn't win. Don't you know that if you do that you're allowed to shoot the other guy?



What I don't understand is this.

I start a fight. Guy #2 can legally defend himself as long as there is an immediate threat of bodily harm. He can't, however, continue once that threat is no longer viable.

So, I start it, #2 starts beating my ass, breaks my nose, slamming my head into the ground. Once I've stopped fighting back, he continues.

How is that self-defense?

And since it isn't, Trayvon could have theoretically (NONE of us has a clue what really happened) run, or stood up and waited to see if Zimmerman would attack again, or just held him down until the cops came. Once he passes that point, and continues beating on Zimmerman, and it transforms from "fistfight" to "someone may die here" wouldn't Zimmerman be justified in defending himself, up to and including lethal force?



For that to be true you'd have to argue that the man who shot and killed Martin was no longer a threat to him.
 
2012-04-27 05:57:05 PM

Silly Jesus: austin_millbarge: When I was young and growing up in the 70's my future world was going to be one of landing on Mars, flying cars, massive prosperity, scientific progress, societal equality...it was going to be grand...

Reading posts from people who support Zimmerman makes me realize the one thing I didn't count on ruining that vision was the high percentage of people in this world who would turn out to be absolute morons.

[www.alandershowitz.com image 164x155]

"absolute moron"

amiright?


Nice cherry picking. In no way does he support Zimmerman. In fact, he said this regarding Zimmerman; "...it is quite possible Zimmerman was guilty of a lesser charge, but the affidavit does not support a second-degree murder charge."

He's only concern was what he considers an overcharge.

Try and keep it real.
 
2012-04-27 05:57:36 PM

Headso: SharkTrager: Really? I have yet to hear a legitimate criminal attorney who thinks the state has a chance in hell of conviction. I have seen some with a very obvious political or social agenda who have, but they also based their arguments on what they claimed was "justice" and not at all on the probability of a conviction.

Most people thought the OJ case was open and shut too, I don't think anyone can be sure what a FL jury is going to come back with.


Oh, I agree completely. But, the point is more that there is a pretty strong consensus among the legal community that the state has major problems with their case.

Also, the whole burden of proof thing greatly benefits the defense, so when the legal community thinks the prosecution is screwed it means a lot more than when they say the defense is. The defense only needs one vote. The prosecution needs 12.
 
2012-04-27 05:58:12 PM

Weaver95: i'm saying that if the judge asks you the details of your finances, make sure you don't forget to mention the $200k you've got in a bank account somewhere. judges tend to get cranky about missing details like that, and when a judge gets cranky, they can do all kinds of things to make your life uncomfortable.


True... but it could be a matter of timing - the question is how much of the 200K was donated BEFORE the bail hearing? It didn't all arrive as a lump sum on the day he set it up.

Also, it's kind of hard to check your PayPal balance from a jail cell, and we don't know if anyone else had the password to check it.


But go right ahead with the rush to judgement and moral outrage... it's par for the course in this case.
 
2012-04-27 05:58:30 PM
Whenever anyone asks me, 'Does the Canadian fracture between French and English scare you?"

I normally answer, "Not as much as the American fracture among racial lines."

There is a chance Canada might lose Quebec, but there is a bigger chance one day the US is just going to lose it. That would be worse for Canada.
 
2012-04-27 05:59:26 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus

I gave you too much credit. Never mind. Carry on.

"Lets discuss this. Here is an article that I feel explains it"

*Honest debate from DRO*

"Give me my ball. I'm going home".

/Lol. I will
//Have a good weekend


You know, I read your response again and I skimmed the article again and I owe you an apology. While I do think you sort of nitpicked an extremely long article and found only a few points of contention, I can see your point in those instances. I did the whole 'put myself in your shoes' sort of thing.

As to your first point...saying that the article argues that Zimmerman killed Trayvon BECAUSE he was "scared" of dogs and black people...

That seems a bit disingenuous. I read it as mentioning the dogs to give reason for why Zimmerman acquired a gun in the first place and mentioning that there were 8 break ins over the course of the previous 12 months and most, if not all, were committed by young black males as giving reason to why he might be suspicious of Trayvon. I'm didn't see a racist dog whistle there or and bias...but I'm not in your shoes.


I'm not sure how there is anything wrong with them clarifying a common misconception that carrying a gun while on the watch patrol is not a crime. I don't interpret that as them defending him, but rather clarifying a point that the public seems to be confused on.


Your last two points I agree with more or less.
 
2012-04-27 05:59:43 PM

fracto73: Timmy the Tumor: you have pee hands: CliChe Guevara: i don't get it? what is the photo of zimmerman supposed to prove again? you know, other than that there was a fight, which we already knew about?

i don't think that picture means what you think it means.

He started a fight he couldn't win. Don't you know that if you do that you're allowed to shoot the other guy?



What I don't understand is this.

I start a fight. Guy #2 can legally defend himself as long as there is an immediate threat of bodily harm. He can't, however, continue once that threat is no longer viable.

So, I start it, #2 starts beating my ass, breaks my nose, slamming my head into the ground. Once I've stopped fighting back, he continues.

How is that self-defense?

And since it isn't, Trayvon could have theoretically (NONE of us has a clue what really happened) run, or stood up and waited to see if Zimmerman would attack again, or just held him down until the cops came. Once he passes that point, and continues beating on Zimmerman, and it transforms from "fistfight" to "someone may die here" wouldn't Zimmerman be justified in defending himself, up to and including lethal force?


For that to be true you'd have to argue that the man who shot and killed Martin was no longer a threat to him.




I'm anticipating that in the trial...

Someone pinned to the ground, getting his head slammed into the concrete, and yelling like a little girl "Please someone help me" over and over sounds like "no longer a threat" but I wasn't there.
 
2012-04-27 05:59:54 PM

Raspil: Anyone who "donates" money to this guy is a f*cking asshole.


Anyone that makes blanket statements is...nevermind.
 
2012-04-27 06:00:48 PM

Thunderpipes: I am a conservative, I work.


Because only conservatives work.

/rolls eyes
 
2012-04-27 06:00:50 PM
How much you wanna bet that if he skips on the murder charges, he'll get nabbed for tax evasion?
 
2012-04-27 06:00:54 PM

s2s2s2: What Zimmerman's 200 Grand might look like.
[media.247sports.com image 478x322]



I'm so old, I remember when the "100 GRAND" bar was actually the "$100,000" bar.


/No joke
// Where did I leave my onion belt?
 
2012-04-27 06:01:25 PM

cryinoutloud: Headso: SharkTrager: Really? I have yet to hear a legitimate criminal attorney who thinks the state has a chance in hell of conviction. I have seen some with a very obvious political or social agenda who have, but they also based their arguments on what they claimed was "justice" and not at all on the probability of a conviction.
Most people thought the OJ case was open and shut too, I don't think anyone can be sure what a FL jury is going to come back with.

Nobody knows WTF the actual evidence is yet, so who knows. But unless there's some bombshell evidence (!!!!--that much), 2nd degree murder is a bit much.

That's a really terrible law, is what I'm trying to say.


The law is poorly written and the state was warned as much before it passed.

I disagree with the idea nobody knows the evidence though. There is quite a bit known and very little of it helps the prosecution. Screwing up Zimmerman's injuries was huge.

I think a lot of people get confused because they assume those of us who don't think he will be convicted are trying to justify what he did. While some are, many of us are just trying to objectively look at the available facts and legal issues and determine if, by legal standards, he is guilty of the crime as charged.
 
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