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(LA Times)   Of the $200,000 in donations George Zimmerman raised from his website, he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"   (latimes.com ) divider line
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2012-04-27 05:08:47 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: beta_plus: dittybopper: fracto73: Honestly, I think Zimmerman might be legally off the hook because of the stand your ground law.

Stand Your Ground doesn't enter into it.

If Zimmerman's story is correct, he didn't use deadly force until after he was knocked down and getting his ass beat. In every single state, no matter whether you initiated the fight or not, you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe you are in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm, and you can't escape. If someone has you pinned down and it banging your head, I think that counts.

Hard to "stand your ground" when you're pinned to the pavement and having your head slammed against it.

He looked pretty spry, undamaged, and not very bloodied for someone who had his head repeatedly slammed against concrete.


I hit my head on a concrete driveway so hard while playing basketball that I temporarily blacked out. I didn't have huge gashes (a small scratch that bled a little) and I was up an walking around shortly thereafter.
CSB

Feeling as though you are going to blackout while underneath your attacker is a pretty legitimate reason for deadly force.

I was back up and walking around and seemingly unscathed shortly after my incident. Why was this not possible for Zimmerman?
 
2012-04-27 05:08:49 PM  

mongbiohazard: Guaranteed victory Loss on the grounds of insufficient evidence.

 
2012-04-27 05:09:22 PM  

mongbiohazard: Headso: dittybopper: fracto73: Honestly, I think Zimmerman might be legally off the hook because of the stand your ground law.

Stand Your Ground doesn't enter into it.

If Zimmerman's story is correct, he didn't use deadly force until after he was knocked down and getting his ass beat. In every single state, no matter whether you initiated the fight or not, you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe you are in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm, and you can't escape. If someone has you pinned down and it banging your head, I think that counts.

I think there's protections in the stand your ground law for civil lawsuits that don't exist for traditional claims of self defense. If they don't use it for their defense I am curious if that opens him up to OJ type lawsuits?

Speaking of OJ.... the prosecution should learn from that case. Apparently if you're trying to convince a jury these days you need a catchy rhyme. I suggest, "It's stand your ground, not chase a brutha down!"

Guaranteed victory.


or...
playstationlifestyle.net
 
2012-04-27 05:10:00 PM  

mongbiohazard: Speaking of OJ.... the prosecution should learn from that case. Apparently if you're trying to convince a jury these days you need a catchy rhyme. I suggest, "It's stand your ground, not chase a brutha down!"


"Hooded blacks are just buying snacks"
 
2012-04-27 05:10:25 PM  

durbnpoisn: Until today, I didn't realize that bail was set based on how much a defendant had. I thought it was based on how bad the crime was, and what their risk of skipping bail were.

So, if he has a lot of money, his bail should be higher?! Why the fark is that?!
The idea that someone might simply skip bail because they are loaded is totally absurd. Where will they go? What will they do? How will they get access to all that money?


This is hilarious.
 
2012-04-27 05:10:35 PM  
*summons 9beers to the thread*
 
2012-04-27 05:11:49 PM  

s2s2s2: mongbiohazard: Guaranteed victory Loss on the grounds of insufficient evidence.


I agree with you on this one.

And this from a guy who thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't even be offered the opportunity to use that defense if he started the fight.
 
2012-04-27 05:12:04 PM  
I donated $1000 just after his website was set up. Honestly, I don't care what he spent it on -- hookers, blow, matchbox cars. Cheap price to pay to get one more thug off the streets.
 
2012-04-27 05:12:26 PM  

Headso: Thunderpipes: Racism and double standards, how does it work, liberals?

If there's anything we know for sure is that the Alabama justice department is full of liberals and stuff...


Also, they sleep with their sisters.

/Some of them do
 
2012-04-27 05:13:17 PM  

spentmiles: I donated $1000 just after his website was set up. Honestly, I don't care what he spent it on -- hookers, blow, matchbox cars. Cheap price to pay to get one more thug off the streets.


I live with my mom

That's 9Beers's shtick. Don't step on any toes now.
 
2012-04-27 05:13:22 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Thunderpipes: Some white dude in Alabama got his ass kicked by a group of black guys who yelled that it was for Traypacks.

Weird, nothing from Obama, or Holder, or Al, or Jesse. No hate crime charges even.

Racism and double standards, how does it work, liberals?

Oooo yes, let's make white people the victim in all of this nonsense!!!

I always love this part!

/grabs the popcorn


You need to give up slavery (140 years ago) and jim crow (40 years ago). No one cares anymore. Scream and cry as much as you want, it doesn't excuse Trayvon's actions. It wouldn't even matter if his great grand parents were gassed at Auschwitz. There is no excuse for this behavior in our society no matter what happened to one's ancestors. But it is so useful for smearing your critics as racists instead of actually having to defend your empty and discredited policies, isn't it.

Though it is funny that you excuse blacks for illegal act they commit on the grounds of past injustices but feel Israel should be burned to the ground and pushed into the sea despite the Holocaust no matter what corrective actions they take.
 
2012-04-27 05:13:39 PM  
If he doesn't save some for taxes, then he'll get to be in court again down the road.
 
2012-04-27 05:14:59 PM  

dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).


and the blow
 
2012-04-27 05:15:15 PM  
oh whatever, you assholes

it wasn't his money when he had the bail hearing, it was in some legal defense paypal account.

It wasn't until after that he had it transferred and used it, and it became "money that is under his control."

(am I doing it right?)
 
2012-04-27 05:15:41 PM  

Dogberry: The starting salary proposed for new magistrates would have been $48,440, and magistrates licensed to practice law would have been paid at least $63,036.


So you mean that I, a non Law-Talking Guy, can become a magistrate?
 
2012-04-27 05:15:48 PM  

beta_plus: But it is so useful for smearing your critics as racists instead of actually having to defend your empty and discredited policies, isn't it.


What empty and discredited policies are you talking about?

A half-hispanic/half-white guy shot and killed a black kid after they got into a fight. What policies were involved in this besides SYG which is a conservative policy?

beta_plus: Though it is funny that you excuse blacks for illegal act they commit on the grounds of past injustices but feel Israel should be burned to the ground and pushed into the sea despite the Holocaust no matter what corrective actions they take.


Alright. Who let beta_plus off his meds again?
 
2012-04-27 05:16:37 PM  

Aarontology: He's pulling a Palin and scamming retards out of money so he can life the good life.


This, so freakin' hard. I hope that the numbnuts who gave him money give him all their money, and then miss mortgage and credit card payments while he's laughing it up (even if it's jail or death row), refusing to refund it to them.
 
2012-04-27 05:16:42 PM  

Headso: mongbiohazard: Speaking of OJ.... the prosecution should learn from that case. Apparently if you're trying to convince a jury these days you need a catchy rhyme. I suggest, "It's stand your ground, not chase a brutha down!"

"Hooded blacks are just buying snacks"


Counterargument: If the kids a nig you must pull the trig.

And for all you liberals who assume I'm talking about race, nig is just short for...nightwalking? Yeah...nightwalking works. So YOURE the racist!
 
2012-04-27 05:17:07 PM  

Mrtraveler01: beta_plus: Though it is funny that you excuse blacks for illegal act they commit on the grounds of past injustices but feel Israel should be burned to the ground and pushed into the sea despite the Holocaust no matter what corrective actions they take.

Alright. Who let beta_plus off his meds again?


He's trying to pack 8 threads worth of trolling into one, dude must have a big date tonight or something!
 
2012-04-27 05:18:09 PM  

Mishno: Silly Jesus: Mishno: And that's what the prosecuting attorney needs to convince the jury of, not you or me or a bunch of mouth-breathing vigilante types. It works both ways.

Sorry, asshole, but all I've ever asked for is a real investigation and a trial, as opposed to John Doe Cop saying "I don't feel like working this case, and I know his dad, so lets just let him go".

Ha ha. I missed that when you posted it, I must already have you on ignore. If you read what I typed you'll see I'm in favor of letting the court system do it's thing too. The "vigilante types" I was referring to are the ones posting death threats against Zimm. But that must have required too much thinking, and everybody knows, thinking is hard.


?
 
2012-04-27 05:18:23 PM  

Diogenes: ThisIsNotSubtle: Any bets on how many lawyers Zimmerman goes through before this is all over?

O'Mara is/was one of the local news station's legal correspondents. A week before Zimmerman turned himself in, he was saying on the news how this case is a loser (good bad or indifferent) and didn't know why anyone would take the case. A week later Zimmerman's legal team bails (undertandably) and O'Mara's on the case.

I agree that in our system everyone deserves an adequate defense. But really?


Really? I have yet to hear a legitimate criminal attorney who thinks the state has a chance in hell of conviction. I have seen some with a very obvious political or social agenda who have, but they also based their arguments on what they claimed was "justice" and not at all on the probability of a conviction.

And that was before the disastrous first hearing where the defense biatch slapped the prosecution.
 
2012-04-27 05:18:39 PM  
www.thegatewaypundit.com

Down payment on this baby was probably 25k

/bail escape ride
 
2012-04-27 05:18:47 PM  

you are a puppet: Headso: mongbiohazard: Speaking of OJ.... the prosecution should learn from that case. Apparently if you're trying to convince a jury these days you need a catchy rhyme. I suggest, "It's stand your ground, not chase a brutha down!"

"Hooded blacks are just buying snacks"

Counterargument: If the kids a nig you must pull the trig.

And for all you liberals who assume I'm talking about race, nig is just short for...nightwalking? Yeah...nightwalking works. So YOURE the racist!


Think of how awesome court cases would be if all arguments had to be made in single line rhyme form.
 
2012-04-27 05:18:51 PM  
RIP Mr. Zimmerman
blogs.suntimes.com
 
2012-04-27 05:18:53 PM  

Mrtraveler01: And this from a guy who thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't even be offered the opportunity to use that defense if he started the fight.


I just want someone to have video evidence, because I could go either way on it. Attack a guy that is just concerned about his neighborhood(even if overzealous) and get shot? Tough shiat(if you are old enough to be tried as an adult for assault).
Alternately:
If you did stalk some kid and shoot him simply because you didn't like how the exchange was going, fnck off and go to prison forever.
 
2012-04-27 05:19:25 PM  

Mrtraveler01: spentmiles: I donated $1000 just after his website was set up. Honestly, I don't care what he spent it on -- hookers, blow, matchbox cars. Cheap price to pay to get one more thug off the streets.

I live with my mom

That's 9Beers's shtick. Don't step on any toes now.


Gimmick infringement used to be a big deal.
 
2012-04-27 05:19:32 PM  

Headso: Mrtraveler01: beta_plus: Though it is funny that you excuse blacks for illegal act they commit on the grounds of past injustices but feel Israel should be burned to the ground and pushed into the sea despite the Holocaust no matter what corrective actions they take.

Alright. Who let beta_plus off his meds again?

He's trying to pack 8 threads worth of trolling into one, dude must have a big date tonight or something!


With a woman?

/It's a serious question and if he gets outraged, that just means that conservatives don't have a sense of humor
//A trick I learned from Fox News yesterday
 
2012-04-27 05:19:43 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: while the Googled for pictures of Trayvon with his middle finger up


whats funnier is that wasn't even a picture of trayvon in the first place. gotta love that whole fact-free aspect of the farking right wing blogs.
 
2012-04-27 05:20:06 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND:


You all are TOTALLY missing the point of my question. It could be that Zimmerman has a very legitimate reason for not disclosing the funds at his bond hearing. It could be that he has treated the donations like a responsible employee would treat his expense account, watching costs, spending only whats necessary, and keeping his documentation. This could ALL be on the up and up. But you mutherfarkers don't know that. Yet, here you all are with a thousand explanatio ...


already responded to waaaaay up in the thread, and then the rest of us were trying to explain your comment that "Jesus, is there anything this guy does that you all can't find an explanation for?"

The answer is no, but depending on how things were done there may be an explanation to the money that was spent (we know $5K of it went to his bail, and it's an assumption that a large chunk went to his, and his families, security immediately afterwards). It would seem reasonable, though we were in the middle of discussing housing vs. additional security costs/concerns.

What we do know (and has already been explained by numerous posters, including myself) is that since his lawyer is in charge of the account, that there will be an accurate accounting for all but the initial expenditures. I would have little doubt that his lawyer has instructed him to make sure he can justify and account for every penny that was spent.

/or was it something else you were asking about?
//srsly... it's late and I didn't want to seem like my response was ignoring your initial comment
 
2012-04-27 05:20:24 PM  
www.trbimg.com
www.movieactors.com
 
2012-04-27 05:20:35 PM  

SharkTrager: Really? I have yet to hear a legitimate criminal attorney who thinks the state has a chance in hell of conviction. I have seen some with a very obvious political or social agenda who have, but they also based their arguments on what they claimed was "justice" and not at all on the probability of a conviction.


Most people thought the OJ case was open and shut too, I don't think anyone can be sure what a FL jury is going to come back with.
 
2012-04-27 05:20:46 PM  
I played against a George Zimmerman on Call of Duty last night. He is better in real life.
 
2012-04-27 05:21:07 PM  

s2s2s2: Mrtraveler01: And this from a guy who thinks that Zimmerman shouldn't even be offered the opportunity to use that defense if he started the fight.

I just want someone to have video evidence, because I could go either way on it. Attack a guy that is just concerned about his neighborhood(even if overzealous) and get shot? Tough shiat(if you are old enough to be tried as an adult for assault).
Alternately:
If you did stalk some kid and shoot him simply because you didn't like how the exchange was going, fnck off and go to prison forever.


To be honest, I'm the same way. That why I'd like to really know who started this fight so this can be settled once and for all.
 
2012-04-27 05:22:19 PM  

CliChe Guevara: that wasn't even a picture of trayvon in the first place


This one is real.
cdn2.dailycaller.com
Neither is relevant.
 
2012-04-27 05:23:24 PM  
www.trbimg.com

DO NOT WANT
 
2012-04-27 05:23:35 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: jafiwam: The actions of others (not you, I know you are a bit better) calling for "justice for trayvon" seem to be pretty high-order hypocritical equivalent to jews advocating people being thrown in ovens.

Man, I've seen some ridiculous comparisons on Fark, but to say that wanting someone to be tried by a jury of his peers is equivalent to supporting the Holocaust is probably the most stupid thing I've ever read.


you haven't been here for a 9beers post then, have you?
 
2012-04-27 05:23:47 PM  

eurotrader: The point of a bond amount is to insure the accused shows up to court.


...by creating serious financial reprecussions for anyone who doesn't, with the degree depending on the severity of the charges amongst other factors. The fact that the accused had enough money sitting in a bank account to cover the entire bail amount (let alone the 10% for the bond amount) changes things. Knowing about this the judge likely would have set a higher bail figure..
 
2012-04-27 05:24:08 PM  

Mrtraveler01: That why I'd like to really know who started this fight so this can be settled once and for all.


If only that was all we needed to know. The issue is "at any point, did Trayvon start beating George about the head and shoulders?".
 
2012-04-27 05:24:27 PM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: [www.thegatewaypundit.com image 469x244]

Down payment on this baby was probably 25k

/bail escape ride


that was his bail bondsman's vehicle

you gotta' work harder to stir the sh*t in this thread
 
2012-04-27 05:24:33 PM  

s2s2s2: CliChe Guevara: that wasn't even a picture of trayvon in the first place

This one is real.
[cdn2.dailycaller.com image 500x375]
Neither is relevant.


No don't you see. By giving the finger to the camera, this clearly justifies Zimmerman shooting Martin...somehow...
 
2012-04-27 05:25:01 PM  

meathome: Does it come furnished with physical security that also travels with you if you leave the site? A communication system that is a little bit more difficult to eavesdrop on than the avg. phone? A vehicle that can't be traced back to the occupants of the unit? A secure method of transferring a person (or persons) from a media storm to a secure undisclosed location? OPSEC issues and requirements for the company providing all of this?



The thing is, in the real world people aren't really getting most of that stuff unless they are actually protecting the president or a head of state. And if they're one of those folks they're renting two (or more) apartments from me, the second one housing their security team or station - and taxpayers are footing the bill.

And as far as communications..... cell phone. Everybody's got a cell phone now. You can tell me all about the theoretical need for encrypted yadda yadda, or whatever high end service provides what, but unless the government is providing it for someone in a sensitive position with access to classified info then everyone else is just getting a couple cell phones from AT&T or something. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but that's the reality.


I'm not even getting into the idea of having a monitored security system (which I'd assume you have).


For the kind of rent we're paying the buildings generally are controlled access, with RFID tags and a concierge. They may have a security guard in the lobby. That's about it. If someone has a special security need they will want to provide it for themselves anyway.... like a certain well-known actress we had staying with us once who made some awfully inflammatory statements (and frankly, just awful) about a certain right wing figure while staying with us and was suddenly getting a torrential flood of nasty death threats. Her assistant arranged for her security in a hurry, which was basically a guard to stay in her apartment with her, and then I believe others would pick them up in a car when they needed to travel.

If you include all that for the money you mentioned in your original post, I might get one for myself.

There's a lot more to security than the physical structure itself.


I agree in theory, but in the real world things are usually a whole LOT more mundane then what we all usually imagine or theorize. Except.... for the heads of state and government types I mentioned who have access to the most classified information. And even then, half the spooky guys just seem like regular Joes working a boring 9 to 5 and don't have earpiece-equipped dudes following them or anything.


/I'd still love to see just what the heck he spent it on

I'm guessing he spent it REALLY unwisely. He probably spent some of it legitimately, but blew a good portion on frivolous crap that his lawyer will have to try and get an accountant to help him obfuscate cleverly or something...
 
2012-04-27 05:25:30 PM  

Thunderpipes: Some white dude in Alabama got his ass kicked by a group of black guys who yelled that it was for Traypacks.

Weird, nothing from Obama, or Holder, or Al, or Jesse. No hate crime charges even.

Racism and double standards, how does it work, liberals?


Empty question.

You will never get your answer, you will only be called a racist. Trust me.

 
2012-04-27 05:25:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: No don't you see. By giving the finger to the camera, this clearly justifies Zimmerman shooting Martin...somehow...


Trayvon shot first, amirite?
 
2012-04-27 05:26:04 PM  

SpoilerAlert: If he doesn't save some for taxes, then he'll get to be in court again down the road.


Depends. If he never has "constructive receipt" of the funds, i.e., they are in a legal defense trust that he cannot access, then they are not considered income. That scenario has small odds of being the way it is, just presenting that tax argument.

One must have receipt of the funds and unfettered access to them to be considered income and therefore taxable.

On the other hand, they could all be claimed as gifts, and not taxable whatsoever, regardless of constructive receipt.

/Enrolled Agent
 
2012-04-27 05:26:49 PM  

s2s2s2: Mrtraveler01: No don't you see. By giving the finger to the camera, this clearly justifies Zimmerman shooting Martin...somehow...

Trayvon shot first, amirite?


Clearly, I mean look at how scary he looks in that pic amirght?
 
2012-04-27 05:27:10 PM  

beta_plus: The best thing that you could have done was to quietly apologize (a mealy mouthed non-apology would have sufficed) and let the issue go as soon as Zimmerman's photo was released.


i don't get it? what is the photo of zimmerman supposed to prove again? you know, other than that there was a fight, which we already knew about?

i don't think that picture means what you think it means.
 
2012-04-27 05:27:58 PM  

vegasj: Thunderpipes: Some white dude in Alabama got his ass kicked by a group of black guys who yelled that it was for Traypacks.

Weird, nothing from Obama, or Holder, or Al, or Jesse. No hate crime charges even.

Racism and double standards, how does it work, liberals?

Empty question.

You will never get your answer, you will only be called a racist. Trust me.


Well first off, people would believe it if you had a link to cite this story.

Then you can go on and on about how whites are being persecuted if you want...
 
2012-04-27 05:28:23 PM  
Silly Jesus

You seem to be a fairly reasonable guy. If you find the time, read this very well written article by Reuters that delves into Zimmerman's past. I think that it is actually quite neutral on the situation and it sheds some light on what may have been in Zimmerman's mind on that night that drove his "prejudices."

Reuters on Zimmerman (Pops)



So, according to the "neutral" article, George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin because he was scared of dogs and black people. There were black people breaking into homes, so that made ALL black boys suspicious. Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what the so-called anti-Zimmerman folks have said repeatedly and exactly what Zimmerman's supporters have denied. That thing was full of so many dog whistles the white people in my office started looking around into the sky as I was reading it.

A few of my favorite parts:

The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.


Lol. Thanks for keeping it balanced. Fark rules. Only laws are worth following.


The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate.

Translation: He's probably a pretty good guy. Lets give him the benefit of doubt.


"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."


Here's the best one. Why the fark would a woman who is standing in front of the reporter have to identify her race to him?? GTFO of here. That's for the readers. Her purpose is to be what I call the reverse Magic Negro***. Her blackness is supposed to be what makes her statement so powerful. She is, supposedly, putting herself at risk by having a point of view that is counter to what the "reporter" believes all black people think about this case. The underlying message is that we're all reactionary animals who would gleefully kill her for daring to have another opinion. Smh. Naw, this doesn't move me at all.

***http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro
Example: The black guy in "The Hand that Rocks the Cradle".
 
2012-04-27 05:28:49 PM  

s2s2s2: mongbiohazard: Guaranteed victory Loss on the grounds of insufficient evidence.



You know what I was getting at. Just being cynical about the state of the average American jury....
 
2012-04-27 05:29:09 PM  

CliChe Guevara: i don't get it? what is the photo of zimmerman supposed to prove again? you know, other than that there was a fight, which we already knew about?

i don't think that picture means what you think it means.


He started a fight he couldn't win. Don't you know that if you do that you're allowed to shoot the other guy?
 
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