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2012-04-28 06:17:47 PM

tirob: I will need a citation of a relevant statute from you before I believe that Florida law permits anyone who is attacked to respond with deadly force.


Nobody ever said that Florida's law allows you to blow away anybody who assaults you. If you were walking down the road and somebody shoves you after you accidentally step on their toe, you might find yourself in some trouble if you pull out a gun and kill them.
 
2012-04-28 06:19:11 PM

chewielouie: He wasn't ordered to do anything.


Okay genius, you got me there. He wasn't "ordered to do anything". Even though I never used the word "ordered" in my post, and you entirely fabricated this entire line of argument, I shall grant you that he was never "ordered" to do anything. He was merely asked politely by a 911 operator to wait for the police. Which he didn't. And a teenager is dead today because of it.

But hell, it wasn't YOUR kid, right? So what the hell do you care? The important part is that nobody "ordered" Zimmerman to leave Martin alone. They only "asked".
 
2012-04-28 06:20:11 PM

Mavent: tirob: Yes, Zimmerman will have to be acquitted or otherwise exonerated to get immunity from a civil action against him.

Yes, just like OJ gained "immunity from a civil action" by being aquitted. I see our resident GED in Law group is out in force today.


The Stand Your Ground law has a built in immunity clause. If Zimmerman successfully argues it Trayvon's parents will have no one to sue.
 
2012-04-28 06:20:16 PM

Mavent: tirob: Yes, Zimmerman will have to be acquitted or otherwise exonerated to get immunity from a civil action against him.

Yes, just like OJ gained "immunity from a civil action" by being aquitted. I see our resident GED in Law group is out in force today.


Florida's law on this subject is different from California's.
 
2012-04-28 06:24:51 PM

Mavent: It's like you're being PAID to be a clueless asshole in this thread.


How is that clueless? Zimmerman stays on the phone for another minute after reporting that Martin took off running. Even had Martin stopped running the second Zimmerman lost sight of him, he would have still been home before Zimmerman finished his call. How does he end up back in almost the exact spot that Zimmerman was when he ended his phone call?
 
2012-04-28 06:28:15 PM

9beers: tirob: I will need a citation of a relevant statute from you before I believe that Florida law permits anyone who is attacked to respond with deadly force.

Nobody ever said that Florida's law allows you to blow away anybody who assaults you. If you were walking down the road and somebody shoves you after you accidentally step on their toe, you might find yourself in some trouble if you pull out a gun and kill them.


Except you. Your quote: "If a person is being attacked, they have the right to respond with deadly force to stop the attack."

I think we are in agreement, then, that not everyone who is assaulted has the right to use deadly force in response. The issue here, again, is whether Zimmerman, on the evening of February 26, fit into the category of those persons who had the right, under Florida law, to use deadly force to repel the person who he said assaulted him.
 
2012-04-28 06:31:24 PM

tirob: Except you. Your quote: "If a person is being attacked, they have the right to respond with deadly force to stop the attack."


So you don't understand the difference between somebody shoving you and walking away and somebody punching you in the face and then continuing to attack? OK then, got it.

tirob: I think we are in agreement, then, that not everyone who is assaulted has the right to use deadly force in response.


Everybody who is assaulted in a sustained attacked most certainly has the right to respond with deadly force.
 
2012-04-28 06:32:05 PM
You people, yeah, you people, love your ignore button. More truthfully you like to talk about it. Here's an idea, ignore the person who made easily the most vile comment (Martin was a violent thug and Zimmerman deserved an award for killing him) in any Zimmerman thread (and it's got to be in the top 5 of all time on Fark). For some reason a lot of you take no offense to that statement. That's okay, the world is full of hypocrites.

My ignore list is empty.
 
2012-04-28 06:35:31 PM

NightOwl2255: You people, yeah, you people, love your ignore button. More truthfully you like to talk about it. Here's an idea, ignore the person who made easily the most vile comment (Martin was a violent thug and Zimmerman deserved an award for killing him) in any Zimmerman thread (and it's got to be in the top 5 of all time on Fark). For some reason a lot of you take no offense to that statement. That's okay, the world is full of hypocrites.


What's more troubling is your apparent support of violent thugs. Thousands of people die each day in this country and most of them weren't assaulting somebody. Sorry if I refuse to care about somebody who chose violence as the answer.
 
2012-04-28 06:39:38 PM

9beers: tirob: Except you. Your quote: "If a person is being attacked, they have the right to respond with deadly force to stop the attack."

So you don't understand the difference between somebody shoving you and walking away and somebody punching you in the face and then continuing to attack? OK then, got it.

Of course not. It's all part of being a deluded liberal.

9beers: tirob:

tirob: I think we are in agreement, then, that not everyone who is assaulted has the right to use deadly force in response.

Everybody who is assaulted in a sustained attacked most certainly has the right to respond with deadly force.


Citation of relevant Florida statute please.
 
2012-04-28 06:42:55 PM

9beers: Sorry if I refuse to care about somebody who chose violence as the answer.


Then you are a flat out liar. You said you sent Zimmerman $50. So you obviously care about a violet person. Or, are you okay with a man that slaps around his girlfriend? And assaults a police officer? And shoots and kills an unarmed 17 year old? Zimmerman seems to choose violence as the answer on a regular basis

Dude, you walked straight into that one.
 
2012-04-28 06:44:26 PM

9beers: NightOwl2255: You people, yeah, you people, love your ignore button. More truthfully you like to talk about it. Here's an idea, ignore the person who made easily the most vile comment (Martin was a violent thug and Zimmerman deserved an award for killing him) in any Zimmerman thread (and it's got to be in the top 5 of all time on Fark). For some reason a lot of you take no offense to that statement. That's okay, the world is full of hypocrites.

What's more troubling is your apparent support of violent thugs. Thousands of people die each day in this country and most of them weren't assaulting somebody. Sorry if I refuse to care about somebody who chose violence as the answer.


Why are you so sure that Martin was a violent thug?
 
2012-04-28 06:46:50 PM

NightOwl2255: Then you are a flat out liar. You said you sent Zimmerman $50. So you obviously care about a violet person. Or, are you okay with a man that slaps around his girlfriend? And assaults a police officer? And shoots and kills an unarmed 17 year old? Zimmerman seems to choose violence as the answer on a regular basis


Prove that Zimmerman knew he was shoving a cop and not coming to the aid of a friend he saw being harassed.

Prove that Zimmerman slapped anybody. Funny that no charges were filed, isn't it?

I would have thought you'd have new material by now.
 
2012-04-28 06:53:11 PM

tirob: Why are you so sure that Martin was a violent thug?


Don't you know, here is 9beers view of Martin and Zimmerman.

Cousin tweets a near incoherent tweet about swinging on a bus driver = Martin is a violent thug.

Martin found with bag that may have contained weed = Martin's a drug dealer.

Martin found with a screwdriver and jewerly = Martin's a thief that was looking for a quick score that night.

Zimmerman assults a police officer = Misunderstanding.

Zimmerman assults his girlfriend = She's a lying biatch.
 
2012-04-28 06:54:43 PM

NightOwl2255: My ignore list is empty.


Same here, ignore is for the ignorant. I will not ignore someone for many reasons, but one of them is simple: this is fark, I've known to say dumb stuff here and there, and it wouldn't be any fun if the one time I say something "offensive", someone writes me off as a complete ass. That'd be somewhat unfair. I like to hear what people have to say, no matter how distorted their perceptions.

Why I never use the ignore function: It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle.

Many of you never even entertain the thoughts of others, you just think "Dislike!, don't wanna hear that! It conflicts with my worldview, argghh!"
 
2012-04-28 06:55:29 PM

9beers: NightOwl2255: You people, yeah, you people, love your ignore button. More truthfully you like to talk about it. Here's an idea, ignore the person who made easily the most vile comment (Martin was a violent thug and Zimmerman deserved an award for killing him) in any Zimmerman thread (and it's got to be in the top 5 of all time on Fark). For some reason a lot of you take no offense to that statement. That's okay, the world is full of hypocrites.

What's more troubling is your apparent support of violent thugs. Thousands of people die each day in this country and most of them weren't assaulting somebody. Sorry if I refuse to care about somebody who chose violence as the answer.


You'll never convince the walking contradictions in these threads that are the liberal extremists that believe in violence and the justified "embarrassing beatdown", that clearly and consistently make it a race issue.
 
2012-04-28 06:58:24 PM

NightOwl2255: Don't you know, here is 9beers view of Martin and Zimmerman.


You love speculations that take into account Zimmerman's past but not those that look at Martin's, why is that? I've said all along that neither persons past have anything to do with the events of that night, it's people on the mobs side that insist on bringing them up as part of their case.
 
2012-04-28 06:59:44 PM

9beers: Prove that Zimmerman knew he was shoving a cop and not coming to the aid of a friend he saw being harassed.


The officer was not harassing his friend, he was arresting him. When Zimmerman grab him, the officer said he told Zimmerman that he was a cop and Zimmerman replied "I don't care who you are". Zimmerman ended up taking mandated Anger Management classes. Yeah, a little more than a misunderstanding.

9beers: Prove that Zimmerman slapped anybody. Funny that no charges were filed, isn't it?


We know, all biatches are liars. Amiright?
 
2012-04-28 07:01:00 PM

GoSurfing:

One simple thing makes Zimmerman looks suspicious, more than anything to me. You people harp on the stupidest of arguments, I will present some facts: He was the Neighborhood Watch captain, correct? He states in the 911 call that he had to exit his truck so that he could identify the street he was on (because it was raining), correct?

Well there's one simple problem with that. Never mind that street signs are covered with retro-reflectors to make them identifiable in adverse whether conditions, The Retreat at Twin Lakes Subdivision contains precisely 3 street names. Twin Trees at the entry/exit, Long Oak Way somewhat bisecting the development, and Retreat View Circle for the perimeter road. 3 street names.

If I was the Neighborhood Watch Captain of a development, I would familiarize myself with the location, and definitely the street names. This would make reporting more accurate, and timely. 3 street names folks, and he claims he needed to exit the vehicle to report the location. More than anything else all of you talk about, this makes him a liar. Had he not exited his vehicle, and just reported the street name, Trayvon Martin would be alive. I believe (and I am assuming here, although I am not aware of how long George Zimmerman lived in the subdivision) that this makes him a liar more than anything else. Either he absolutely lied about needing to exit his vehicle to identify the street name, or he is a complete dolt, or both. Boom headshot, I just blew this whole case to shiat. Continue with racism and riots, thank you, my work is done.

Screenshot I just nabbed:
[i1177.photobucket.com image 640x491]


Zimmerman also told the 911 dispatcher that he would meet the police he summoned where his truck was parked near some mailboxes. He then promptly reversed himself and indicated that he would prefer that the cops call him back to determine where he was. I don't think that he intended to mislead anyone, but in my mind this is evidence that he wasn't entirely forthcoming with the dispatcher about his intentions.
 
2012-04-28 07:02:05 PM

9beers: NightOwl2255: Don't you know, here is 9beers view of Martin and Zimmerman.

You love speculations that take into account Zimmerman's past but not those that look at Martin's, why is that? I've said all along that neither persons past have anything to do with the events of that night, it's people on the mobs side that insist on bringing them up as part of their case.


You're quite popular in these threads, and I'd like to ask you something:

Why did Zimmerman have to exit his vehicle to even report the street name?. There were only 3 in the entire subdivision. Street signs are encased in a reflective surface to make them identifiable in adverse weather conditions. There are 3 street names in the entire subdivision. George Zimmerman lived there for how many years? (I'm unaware, but if it was anything less than 2 weeks, he is a liar). He was also the Neighborhood Watch Captain. Part of this responsibility includes familiarizing yourself with the location.
 
2012-04-28 07:05:14 PM

GoSurfing: Why did Zimmerman have to exit his vehicle to even report the street name?.


What? Zimmerman exited his vehicle after Martin took off running.
 
2012-04-28 07:07:20 PM

GoSurfing: NightOwl2255: My ignore list is empty.

Same here, ignore is for the ignorant. I will not ignore someone for many reasons, but one of them is simple: this is fark, I've known to say dumb stuff here and there, and it wouldn't be any fun if the one time I say something "offensive", someone writes me off as a complete ass. That'd be somewhat unfair. I like to hear what people have to say, no matter how distorted their perceptions.

Why I never use the ignore function: It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle.

Many of you never even entertain the thoughts of others, you just think "Dislike!, don't wanna hear that! It conflicts with my worldview, argghh!"


For the one off comment, sure. For the clearly and consistently deranged, it is a different matter.

What's entertaining, is that yes, I mention my list. Instead of attempting to throw a line at 9beers, that he said, like a month ago, back in his face, multiple times in each and every thread...maybe I'm a blunt asshole for letting people know, these people are cross-thread stalkers, obsessed and demented pursuit of as you put it, "the one time".

This way, I save myself from their spam, and am also not clogging up posts with replies to their obsessive behavior pointing out multitudes of fallacies, prejudices, misreads, misdeeds, and misconceptions.

When they self identify as off kilter individuals, on the list they go. But even the mentally incapable deserve notice.
 
2012-04-28 07:09:15 PM

9beers: GoSurfing: Why did Zimmerman have to exit his vehicle to even report the street name?.

What? Zimmerman exited his vehicle after Martin took off running.


I'm looking forward to a citation for that as well.
 
2012-04-28 07:12:10 PM

9beers: GoSurfing: Why did Zimmerman have to exit his vehicle to even report the street name?.

What? Zimmerman exited his vehicle after Martin took off running.


From raw transcript:

Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, that's my truck...[unintelligible]

Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?

Zimmerman: I don't know, it's a cut through so I don't know the address.

Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area? Zimmerman: Yeah, I...[unintelligible]

He may not have known the address, but he damn well should have known the name of the street. This information would have been useful to officers trying to respond. Otherwise he is a dolt that doesn't need to be a neighborhood watch officer.
 
2012-04-28 07:12:58 PM

9beers: You love speculations that take into account Zimmerman's past but not those that look at Martin's, why is that? I've said all along that neither persons past have anything to do with the events of that night, it's people on the mobs side that insist on bringing them up as part of their case.


Ah, so when say that it's very likely Martin was casing houses because he was clearly a thief as proved by the possession of a screwdriver and jewelry so Zimmerman had reason to believe he was acting suspiciously that's not bringing his history into account. But, when I point out Zimmerman's history of aggression and violence, you want to leave that out of the discussion.

I just don't understand why anyone could question your objectivity.
 
2012-04-28 07:14:01 PM

GoSurfing: There is just one more thought I'd like to present. Something I don't know that anyone else had considered or mentioned, but I never see it mentioned.

Again, I do not take sides on this whole matter, this is a simple postulation.

One simple thing makes Zimmerman looks suspicious, more than anything to me. You people harp on the stupidest of arguments, I will present some facts: He was the Neighborhood Watch captain, correct? He states in the 911 call that he had to exit his truck so that he could identify the street he was on (because it was raining), correct?

Well there's one simple problem with that. Never mind that street signs are covered with retro-reflectors to make them identifiable in adverse whether conditions, The Retreat at Twin Lakes Subdivision contains precisely 3 street names. Twin Trees at the entry/exit, Long Oak Way somewhat bisecting the development, and Retreat View Circle for the perimeter road. 3 street names.

If I was the Neighborhood Watch Captain of a development, I would familiarize myself with the location, and definitely the street names. This would make reporting more accurate, and timely. 3 street names folks, and he claims he needed to exit the vehicle to report the location. More than anything else all of you talk about, this makes him a liar. Had he not exited his vehicle, and just reported the street name, Trayvon Martin would be alive. I believe (and I am assuming here, although I am not aware of how long George Zimmerman lived in the subdivision) that this makes him a liar more than anything else. Either he absolutely lied about needing to exit his vehicle to identify the street name, or he is a complete dolt, or both. Boom headshot, I just blew this whole case to shiat. Continue with racism and riots, thank you, my work is done.

Screenshot I just nabbed:
[i1177.photobucket.com image 640x491]


1/10

My understanding of it is that he was looking for the street address, as in the specific apartment number. I lived in an apartment complex about this size for 2 years in college and if you put me at a random spot in the complex I couldn't tell you the apartment numbers. They were, and often are, numbered in a confusing pattern.

Also, you're whole "if Zimmerman did blank, Martin would still be alive" schtick is asinine. If Martin had continued home and not either doubled back or hidden behind a fence, he would still be alive...If Martin didn't have correct change at the store and had to wait for the cashier longer he wouldn't have met Zimmerman....If Zimmerman's truck broke down he wouldn't have seen Martin...see how stupid that game is?

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE...DERP
 
2012-04-28 07:14:37 PM

GoSurfing: 9beers: NightOwl2255: Don't you know, here is 9beers view of Martin and Zimmerman.

You love speculations that take into account Zimmerman's past but not those that look at Martin's, why is that? I've said all along that neither persons past have anything to do with the events of that night, it's people on the mobs side that insist on bringing them up as part of their case.

You're quite popular in these threads, and I'd like to ask you something:

Why did Zimmerman have to exit his vehicle to even report the street name?. There were only 3 in the entire subdivision. Street signs are encased in a reflective surface to make them identifiable in adverse weather conditions. There are 3 street names in the entire subdivision. George Zimmerman lived there for how many years? (I'm unaware, but if it was anything less than 2 weeks, he is a liar). He was also the Neighborhood Watch Captain. Part of this responsibility includes familiarizing yourself with the location.


He wasn't in his truck at that point, he was on the walkway between the two rows of houses. And he sounded a little confused about which street to give them. It sounded like he was assuming that they should have known what walkway he was talking about when they asked for an address. I've had similar conversations with AAA when telling them where my car is parked so the tow truck driver can meet me. And it usually ends up with the driver calling me so I can tell him where I am, he understands what the dispatcher doesn't.
 
2012-04-28 07:15:04 PM
Where are people getting that Zimmerman was looking for a street name? Nowhere in the 911 call does he say that, what he says at one point is that he doesn't know an address because "it's a cut-through".
 
2012-04-28 07:18:26 PM

omeganuepsilon: 9beers: GoSurfing: Why did Zimmerman have to exit his vehicle to even report the street name?.

What? Zimmerman exited his vehicle after Martin took off running.

I'm looking forward to a citation for that as well.


Zimmerman: Yeah. You go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don't turn and make a left. He's running. [2:08]

911 dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher: OK, which entrance is that he's headed towards?

Zimmerman: The back entrance.

911 dispatcher: Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman: Yeah. [2:25]

911 dispatcher: OK. We don't need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman: OK. [2:28]

Citation provided.
 
2012-04-28 07:18:56 PM

GoSurfing: NightOwl2255: My ignore list is empty.

Same here, ignore is for the ignorant. I will not ignore someone for many reasons, but one of them is simple: this is fark, I've known to say dumb stuff here and there, and it wouldn't be any fun if the one time I say something "offensive", someone writes me off as a complete ass. That'd be somewhat unfair. I like to hear what people have to say, no matter how distorted their perceptions.

Why I never use the ignore function: It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. -Aristotle.

Many of you never even entertain the thoughts of others, you just think "Dislike!, don't wanna hear that! It conflicts with my worldview, argghh!"


I agree with you guys in general, and I only have one person on ignore, and hope that I don't have the inclination to add anymore, but sometimes a person has a certain way of conveying their derp that is visceral. It's actually painful to read what they write. It's not ignoring them based on a differing opinion, it's ignoring them because they may very well be a 2 year old with down's syndrome + the late stages of mad cow disease. And it huuurts. It hurrrts sooo baaad. *tear*
 
2012-04-28 07:19:53 PM

9beers: Where are people getting that Zimmerman was looking for a street name? Nowhere in the 911 call does he say that, what he says at one point is that he doesn't know an address because "it's a cut-through".


I haven't been following this closely, but I live in Central Florida, and this was a local news story for a couple days before it picked up national attention. One of the things continually reported about the first 3 days (I haven't followed it since), was that George Zimmerman had told police after the shooting that he exited his truck so that he could identify the street he was on.

I wholly admit that I am making claims based on what I remember, so take it with a grain of salt.
/again just a thought
 
2012-04-28 07:21:29 PM

GoSurfing: He may not have known the address, but he damn well should have known the name of the street.


He wasn't asked to report what street he was on, he was being asked for an address and he couldn't give one because he was at a cut-through. Looking at the map of the complex, you'll see that being where he was, he was on the back side of all the homes meaning that he obviously couldn't give an address. As for reporting the name of the street, he does that earlier in the phone call.
 
2012-04-28 07:24:54 PM

tirob: Citation provided.


LOL what? What the fark does that have to do with claiming that he exited his vehicle in order to report the name of the street? He had already reported the street he was on while still in the vehicle. He exits after reporting that Martin had taken off running.
 
2012-04-28 07:27:18 PM

9beers: GoSurfing: He may not have known the address, but he damn well should have known the name of the street.

He wasn't asked to report what street he was on, he was being asked for an address and he couldn't give one because he was at a cut-through. Looking at the map of the complex, you'll see that being where he was, he was on the back side of all the homes meaning that he obviously couldn't give an address. As for reporting the name of the street, he does that earlier in the phone call.


He could have said "Trayvon Martin is heading east down the sidewalk. The sidewalk runs east and west, and the sidewalk runs from the point of curvature of Twin Trees road east to Retreat View Circle."

I dunno, because that's what I would have said.
/maps, they don't love you like I love you
 
2012-04-28 07:31:57 PM

9beers: He wasn't asked to report what street he was on, he was being asked for an address and he couldn't give one because he was at a cut-through


"911 dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher: OK, which entrance is that he's headed towards?

Zimmerman: The back entrance."

Vague. Which was was he running? East. "Down toward the other entrance.." "Back entrance" doesn't mean anything to a cop or dispatcher. Give the street name.
 
2012-04-28 07:34:35 PM
And I'm done. It was simply a poor attempt at a different view of the situation, but I believe I'm wrong. I've already participated too much in this. Adios and enjoy the weekend farkers.
 
2012-04-28 07:36:03 PM

GoSurfing: 9beers: He wasn't asked to report what street he was on, he was being asked for an address and he couldn't give one because he was at a cut-through

"911 dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

911 dispatcher: OK, which entrance is that he's headed towards?

Zimmerman: The back entrance."

Vague. Which was was he running? East. "Down toward the other entrance.." "Back entrance" doesn't mean anything to a cop or dispatcher. Give the street name.


There are only 2 entrances and they both are on the same street. How else is he supposed to identify one versus the other? He knows them as the front entrance and the back entrance, I bet the street cops knew what he was talking about.
 
2012-04-28 07:39:08 PM

GoSurfing: 9beers: GoSurfing: He may not have known the address, but he damn well should have known the name of the street.

He wasn't asked to report what street he was on, he was being asked for an address and he couldn't give one because he was at a cut-through. Looking at the map of the complex, you'll see that being where he was, he was on the back side of all the homes meaning that he obviously couldn't give an address. As for reporting the name of the street, he does that earlier in the phone call.

He could have said "Trayvon Martin is heading east down the sidewalk. The sidewalk runs east and west, and the sidewalk runs from the point of curvature of Twin Trees road east to Retreat View Circle."

I dunno, because that's what I would have said.
/maps, they don't love you like I love you


Yeah, that's not realistic. You've obviously never been dispatched somewhere in any capacity or tried to translate such instructions. The officer wouldn't have know what the fark they were talking about. They probably don't have a database of the cardinal directions of various Sanford sidewalks in their heads.
 
2012-04-28 07:40:00 PM
Lotta folk willing to forgo the whole guilty until proven innocent bit concerning this case...
 
2012-04-28 07:41:40 PM

MarkEC: There are only 2 entrances and they both are on the same street. How else is he supposed to identify one versus the other? He knows them as the front entrance and the back entrance, I bet the street cops knew what he was talking about.


Gone after this, but that's simple-you identify them by the streets they intersect.
 
2012-04-28 07:43:49 PM

Silly Jesus: The officer wouldn't have know what the fark they were talking about. They probably don't have a database of the cardinal directions of various Sanford sidewalks in their heads.


Most every single thing in Florida is built according to North, South, East, West, because it is almost all flat. If you are on most any street anywhere in Florida, and you can't tell where north is, you're an asswipe. Nearly everything is gridded-out.
 
2012-04-28 07:45:14 PM

GoSurfing: MarkEC: There are only 2 entrances and they both are on the same street. How else is he supposed to identify one versus the other? He knows them as the front entrance and the back entrance, I bet the street cops knew what he was talking about.

Gone after this, but that's simple-you identify them by the streets they intersect.


The cross street is also the same, it's a circle.
 
2012-04-28 07:49:59 PM

GoSurfing: Silly Jesus: The officer wouldn't have know what the fark they were talking about. They probably don't have a database of the cardinal directions of various Sanford sidewalks in their heads.

Most every single thing in Florida is built according to North, South, East, West, because it is almost all flat. If you are on most any street anywhere in Florida, and you can't tell where north is, you're an asswipe. Nearly everything is gridded-out.


You better hurry up and let someone know that they stuck a bunch of curving and s-shaped streets in Zimmerman's neighborhood. They need to fix that. It should be a grid.

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
 
2012-04-28 07:50:02 PM

MarkEC: GoSurfing: MarkEC: There are only 2 entrances and they both are on the same street. How else is he supposed to identify one versus the other? He knows them as the front entrance and the back entrance, I bet the street cops knew what he was talking about.

Gone after this, but that's simple-you identify them by the streets they intersect.

The cross street is also the same, it's a circle.


Northern entrance, southeastern entrance.
 
2012-04-28 07:53:39 PM

MarkEC: GoSurfing: MarkEC: There are only 2 entrances and they both are on the same street. How else is he supposed to identify one versus the other? He knows them as the front entrance and the back entrance, I bet the street cops knew what he was talking about.

Gone after this, but that's simple-you identify them by the streets they intersect.

The cross street is also the same, it's a circle.


The streets the entrances intersect with, as in Oregon Ave, Lowe Ave. You don't tell a dispatcher "main entrance" "back entrance" You tell him he is running toward the southeastern entrance, or the intersection of Twin Trees and Lowe Ave.
 
2012-04-28 07:57:03 PM

Mavent: chewielouie: He wasn't ordered to do anything.

Okay genius, you got me there. He wasn't "ordered to do anything". Even though I never used the word "ordered" in my post, and you entirely fabricated this entire line of argument, I shall grant you that he was never "ordered" to do anything. He was merely asked politely by a 911 operator to wait for the police. Which he didn't. And a teenager is dead today because of it.

But hell, it wasn't YOUR kid, right? So what the hell do you care? The important part is that nobody "ordered" Zimmerman to leave Martin alone. They only "asked".


Excuuuuuuse me, you used "directed" instead of "ordered." What's the difference? And hey, nice job focusing solely on that part of my post, and ignoring everything else I said about Zimmerman being a complete moron for going on neighborhood patrol with a loaded gun.
 
2012-04-28 07:57:21 PM

GoSurfing: MarkEC: GoSurfing: MarkEC: There are only 2 entrances and they both are on the same street. How else is he supposed to identify one versus the other? He knows them as the front entrance and the back entrance, I bet the street cops knew what he was talking about.

Gone after this, but that's simple-you identify them by the streets they intersect.

The cross street is also the same, it's a circle.

Northern entrance, southeastern entrance.


Keep moving that goalpost and I'll keep kicking the ball through. You and I might have a good sense of direction, but I don't ever expect anyone I'm talking with to have one also. 9 out of 10 times you tell someone to head east on 1st street you get a blank stare and have to tell them left or right towards a landmark, and they still get it wrong.
 
2012-04-28 07:59:40 PM

Silly Jesus: GoSurfing: Silly Jesus: The officer wouldn't have know what the fark they were talking about. They probably don't have a database of the cardinal directions of various Sanford sidewalks in their heads.

Most every single thing in Florida is built according to North, South, East, West, because it is almost all flat. If you are on most any street anywhere in Florida, and you can't tell where north is, you're an asswipe. Nearly everything is gridded-out.

You better hurry up and let someone know that they stuck a bunch of curving and s-shaped streets in Zimmerman's neighborhood. They need to fix that. It should be a grid.

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE


The whole point of what I'm saying is that he didn't actually need to get out of his truck in the first place to accurately report where Trayvon Martin was going. If Trayvon Martin is as thuggish as many here purport, I wouldn't have put myself any closer to danger by doing that. I would have remained in my vehicle until the police arrived.
 
2012-04-28 08:01:31 PM

GoSurfing: MarkEC: GoSurfing: MarkEC: There are only 2 entrances and they both are on the same street. How else is he supposed to identify one versus the other? He knows them as the front entrance and the back entrance, I bet the street cops knew what he was talking about.

Gone after this, but that's simple-you identify them by the streets they intersect.

The cross street is also the same, it's a circle.

The streets the entrances intersect with, as in Oregon Ave, Lowe Ave. You don't tell a dispatcher "main entrance" "back entrance" You tell him he is running toward the southeastern entrance, or the intersection of Twin Trees and Lowe Ave.


Twin trees doesn't intersect Lowe Ave, your googlemapfu just failed. It's Oregon Avenue or S Oregon Ave. Damn those streets are confusing.
 
2012-04-28 08:03:08 PM

white history month: Lotta folk willing to forgo the whole guilty until proven innocent bit concerning this case...


Because Trayvon was black and was killed by someone not black. There is only one explanation in this kind of situation, and that is racism. Racism always means guilty, cause whitey is always keeping the black folk down. Get with the pogram.
 
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