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2012-04-28 02:25:11 AM

Mavent: redhook: I'm sure this kid was just a sweet little angel.

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I find it strange that his family has done everything they can to remove his Facebook, twitter, Myspace, etc accounts from the internet so that this kids true nature is not all over the place. They want to hide the fact that he was a violent kid who had gang ties.

You know something, asshole? I don't care if he was Tupac Shakur's gay lover. Only dimwit sociopath racist cretins like YOU are trying to make it sound like Martin "deserved to die" because he was black, and therefore frightening to your tight-assed white lifestyle. The point of all this is that Martin was legally on the street in his own neighborhood, and should have been able to walk home without being murdered. Oh, and check out Snopes sometimes, Adolph. The link you posted? Fakes, created by jerkoffs exactly like yourself.


Only race baiters like yourself are trying to claim it was because he was black. Why must people like you always turn everything into a race issue? Grow the fark up.
 
2012-04-28 02:26:08 AM

Mavent: redhook: Are you trying to say that being in a neighborhood watch program strips you of your right to self defense?

No dimwit, we're saying that it doesn't give you the right to murder random black kids. See the difference, genius?


Why would someone want to do that?
 
2012-04-28 02:26:42 AM

Mavent: redhook: Are you trying to say that being in a neighborhood watch program strips you of your right to self defense?

No dimwit, we're saying that it doesn't give you the right to murder random black kids. See the difference, genius?


Oh look, another race baiter. Yes, he must have been shot only because he was a black kid. Hell, everything is about race when it's a non-white on the receiving end. You're the dimwit.

howieswaim.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-04-28 02:27:08 AM

Mavent: redhook: Are you trying to say that being in a neighborhood watch program strips you of your right to self defense?

No dimwit, we're saying that it doesn't give you the right to murder random black kids. See the difference, genius?


Murder random black kids? Really? I'm not certain that someone that calls 911 too much can be accused of trying to kill black kids randomly and not get caught. Maybe profiling too much, but his motive, don't think so.
 
2012-04-28 02:28:04 AM

redhook: Grow the fark up.


Dear asshole: the fact that you're openly racist hardly makes you immune to charges of racism, no matter how much your "Big Book of Retarded Crap Republicans Believe" tells you otherwise.

Now please, answer the question: why do you think that being "Neighborhood Watch Captain" gives you the right to kill teenagers who are walking home in their own neighborhood?
 
2012-04-28 02:29:47 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Mavent: redhook: Are you trying to say that being in a neighborhood watch program strips you of your right to self defense?

No dimwit, we're saying that it doesn't give you the right to murder random black kids. See the difference, genius?

Why would someone want to do that?


Well-deserved low self-esteem.
 
2012-04-28 02:30:23 AM

Mavent: redhook: Grow the fark up.

Dear asshole: the fact that you're openly racist hardly makes you immune to charges of racism, no matter how much your "Big Book of Retarded Crap Republicans Believe" tells you otherwise.

Now please, answer the question: why do you think that being "Neighborhood Watch Captain" gives you the right to kill teenagers who are walking home in their own neighborhood?


You're assuming that I am a racist because I say something you do not agree with makes YOU the racist. Funny how the ignorant always resort to name calling and the race card.
 
2012-04-28 02:34:00 AM

BuckTurgidson: StoPPeRmobile: Mavent: redhook: Are you trying to say that being in a neighborhood watch program strips you of your right to self defense?

No dimwit, we're saying that it doesn't give you the right to murder random black kids. See the difference, genius?

Why would someone want to do that?

Well-deserved low self-esteem.


It's that easy?
 
2012-04-28 02:34:25 AM

LivefromGA: Murder random black kids? Really? I'm not certain that someone that calls 911 too much can be accused of trying to kill black kids randomly and not get caught. Maybe profiling too much, but his motive, don't think so.


I don't think "getting caught" ever entered into the equation for Zimmerman. Let's face it: people who strap on guns and then wander their neighborhood at night looking for reasons to confront people probably aren't capable of thinking that far ahead. I think Zimmerman was a lot like most people on the 90 and below end of the Bell Curve: a self-absorbed tool who thought wearing a gun gave him a bigger penis. It never occurred to him that there would eventually be consequences. He woke up that morning like he (and clearly a lot of other people in this thread) did every previous morning: a self-absorbed dumbass who needed a reason to feel big.

There were no fewer than ten thousand ways Zimmerman could have avoided killing someone that night. Not the least of which was "Not wandering around the street with a goddamn gun". And see, here's the fact of the matter: for all their insane rantings about "protecting themselves" the only person that needed "protecting" that night was Martin, and the only person he needed protecting from was the lunatic jackoff wandering around with a murder weapon.
 
2012-04-28 02:36:05 AM
Mavent:
what you're really saying is "Hey, why is everybody making such a big deal about this? It's only a black kid!"

You're a sick, racist fark. Furthermore, you can't read minds.
 
2012-04-28 02:37:12 AM

NightOwl2255: Martin and ZImmerman meet up on the path. Martin says; why are you following me? Zimmerman says; what are you doing here?

We pretty much know that happened.

We know Zimmerman was upset from his statement to the 911 operator; "these assholes always get away". Why he decided that Martin, who by Zimmerman's own account was doing absolutely nothing illegal, was an asshole is a mystery.

What happened next? Here's a possible scenario. After being asked why he was there Martin responds with something along the line of; "screw you" and turned to walk away. Zimmerman, who has a history of aggression, grabs Martin and says; "you're not going anywhere till the cops get here." Now, having been assaulted and illegally detained Martin defends himself in attempt to free himself from Zimmerman. Zimmerman, now realizing that Martin is about to get away, reaches for his gun. Martin sees him reaching for his gun and hits him in the face, breaking Zimmerman's nose and then jumps on top of him and fearing for his life (rightly so as it turns out) starts hitting Zimmerman's head on the ground. Zimmerman manages to get his gun free and shoots Martin.


That sounds more likely than any of the other hypothetical scenarios that I've read.
 
2012-04-28 02:37:45 AM

Mavent: redhook: Grow the fark up.

Dear asshole: the fact that you're openly racist hardly makes you immune to charges of racism, no matter how much your "Big Book of Retarded Crap Republicans Believe" tells you otherwise.

Now please, answer the question: why do you think that being "Neighborhood Watch Captain" gives you the right to kill teenagers who are walking home in their own neighborhood?


If that is what you TRULY believed happened that evening, then it's you that needs to grow up, read another website, new friends, something. Police don't usually tell guys that have pepper spray to ward off dogs to go get a gun if they think for a second he is a problem in the making. Especially with everyone saying he assaulted a cop, I am pretty sure they would of had access to those records and figured it out on their own.
 
2012-04-28 02:41:36 AM
...and frankly, I'm getting a bit tired of guys like redhook whining about "the race card", in a thread where anyone with the ability to do a page search can see posts wherein several different Pro-Zimmerman posters who have written CLEARLY racists messages. Including, but not limited to, faked and widely debunked "facebook pages" showing a stereotypical "black thug", (the idea apparently being that if Martin looked "too black", he therefore deserved to die) to a guy who also posted fake links claiming Martin was "a gang member" (and therefore obviously deserved to die), to one guy who just bypassed the bullshiat altogether and claimed he donated 1,000 bucks to Zimmerman for "taking a thug (read:black kid) off the streets."

But hey, there's no racism involved in this case, right redhook?
 
2012-04-28 02:42:06 AM

redhook: Funny how the ignorant always resort to name calling and the race card.


Yeahhhhh...funny...

redhook: Mavent: redhook: Are you trying to say that being in a neighborhood watch program strips you of your right to self defense?

No dimwit, we're saying that it doesn't give you the right to murder random black kids. See the difference, genius?

Oh look, another race baiter. Yes, he must have been shot only because he was a black kid. Hell, everything is about race when it's a non-white on the receiving end. You're the dimwit.

howieswaim.files.wordpress.com

 
2012-04-28 02:42:13 AM
LivefromGA:
Brainsick and nightowl have changed my mind with their command of the facts and superior use of name calling.

Loves me some FINE sarcasm. Ahhhh. Refreshing.

/ Hey, aren't liberals supposed to be FOR defendants, especially if there is like, no evidence against them?
 
2012-04-28 02:43:07 AM

PastaFazoole: That sounds more likely than any of the other hypothetical scenarios that I've read.


Well at least those coming from the mobs side. Other than that, it's farking ridiculous.
 
2012-04-28 02:43:34 AM

Mavent: LivefromGA: Murder random black kids? Really? I'm not certain that someone that calls 911 too much can be accused of trying to kill black kids randomly and not get caught. Maybe profiling too much, but his motive, don't think so.

I don't think "getting caught" ever entered into the equation for Zimmerman. Let's face it: people who strap on guns and then wander their neighborhood at night looking for reasons to confront people probably aren't capable of thinking that far ahead. I think Zimmerman was a lot like most people on the 90 and below end of the Bell Curve: a self-absorbed tool who thought wearing a gun gave him a bigger penis. It never occurred to him that there would eventually be consequences. He woke up that morning like he (and clearly a lot of other people in this thread) did every previous morning: a self-absorbed dumbass who needed a reason to feel big.

There were no fewer than ten thousand ways Zimmerman could have avoided killing someone that night. Not the least of which was "Not wandering around the street with a goddamn gun". And see, here's the fact of the matter: for all their insane rantings about "protecting themselves" the only person that needed "protecting" that night was Martin, and the only person he needed protecting from was the lunatic jackoff wandering around with a murder weapon.


Once again, he was going out to get dinner for him and his wife. He has done too much for the black kids he mentored and giving financially to majority black churches,all too well documented for you to believe what you're spewing. Writing you off as a troll.
 
2012-04-28 02:47:10 AM

GeneralJim: LivefromGA: Brainsick and nightowl have changed my mind with their command of the facts and superior use of name calling.
Loves me some FINE sarcasm. Ahhhh. Refreshing.

/ Hey, aren't liberals supposed to be FOR defendants, especially if there is like, no evidence against them?


That brush is broad enough to paint entire barn walls, GJim.

/and it's 'progressive' thank you
//it means "the opposite of conservative" in this case
 
2012-04-28 02:52:51 AM

GeneralJim: LivefromGA: Brainsick and nightowl have changed my mind with their command of the facts and superior use of name calling.
Loves me some FINE sarcasm. Ahhhh. Refreshing.

/ Hey, aren't liberals supposed to be FOR defendants, especially if there is like, no evidence against them?


Not sure about the liberals for defendants remark, everyone should be considered innocent until proven guilty, unless there is video (to me . In this case of hispanic vs black there was a divide until the race baiters and the media called him white. Then the gloves came off.
 
2012-04-28 02:55:55 AM

LivefromGA: Once again, he was going out to get dinner for him and his wife. He has done too much for the black kids he mentored and giving financially to majority black churches,all too well documented for you to believe what you're spewing. Writing you off as a troll.


Seriously, are you brain-damaged? I really feel as if there's something physically wrong with your brain. Cancer, a stab-wound... it's hard to say. But something has interfered with your ability to understand basic concepts like "The point is that Zimmerman, in the midst of his heroic baby-rescuing missions that you assure he was on that night, should have left Martin alone. Had he done so, there would be one less dead teenager today."

But in your mad-cow riddled brain, all the imaginary good deeds that you assure us Zimmerman had previously done should somehow cancel out the kid he killed. Is that how it works now? If I attend a Catholic car wash, or donate $100 to charity, I get a free "kill a teenager" voucher?
 
2012-04-28 02:56:01 AM

Mavent: ...and frankly, I'm getting a bit tired of guys like redhook whining about "the race card", in a thread where anyone with the ability to do a page search can see posts wherein several different Pro-Zimmerman posters who have written CLEARLY racists messages. Including, but not limited to, faked and widely debunked "facebook pages" showing a stereotypical "black thug", (the idea apparently being that if Martin looked "too black", he therefore deserved to die) to a guy who also posted fake links claiming Martin was "a gang member" (and therefore obviously deserved to die), to one guy who just bypassed the bullshiat altogether and claimed he donated 1,000 bucks to Zimmerman for "taking a thug (read:black kid) off the streets."

But hey, there's no racism involved in this case, right redhook?


Sure there is, you have the Black Panthers (aka The Black KKK) putting a price on Zimmerman's head. And lets not even get started on the black on white violence that has happened because of this incident.

New Black Panther Party Offers $10K Bounty For George Zimmerman

Suspect claims he attacked white teen because he was angry over Trayvon case, police say
 
2012-04-28 02:59:48 AM

Mavent: LivefromGA: Once again, he was going out to get dinner for him and his wife. He has done too much for the black kids he mentored and giving financially to majority black churches,all too well documented for you to believe what you're spewing. Writing you off as a troll.

Seriously, are you brain-damaged? I really feel as if there's something physically wrong with your brain. Cancer, a stab-wound... it's hard to say. But something has interfered with your ability to understand basic concepts like "The point is that Zimmerman, in the midst of his heroic baby-rescuing missions that you assure he was on that night, should have left Martin alone. Had he done so, there would be one less dead teenager today."

But in your mad-cow riddled brain, all the imaginary good deeds that you assure us Zimmerman had previously done should somehow cancel out the kid he killed. Is that how it works now? If I attend a Catholic car wash, or donate $100 to charity, I get a free "kill a teenager" voucher?


It proves that you are wrong about this being racially motivated. The only reason race is an issue is because of people like you pulling the race card, claiming that he must have been shot because he was black. If someone who is not of my race assaults me does that automatically make it because I am not their color? You are one ignorant motherfarker.
 
2012-04-28 02:59:58 AM
Brainsick:
/and it's 'progressive' thank you
//it means "the opposite of conservative" in this case

Well, with the definitions of political terms sliding around on an ongoing basis, it's good to get an update. So, you DON'T consider yourself "liberal," but "progressive?" You mean, like cancer? Whatever. Call yourself whatever you want. It still boils down to "take the wrong position on EVERYTHING."
 
2012-04-28 03:00:18 AM
Meh . . how do people like this get that much money? I need about a $1000 . . I'm even willing to take a loan and pay folks back when I get a job. But I don't see anyone beating down my paypal to give me money.
 
2012-04-28 03:05:24 AM
Oh, and since LivefromGA and redhook are so convinced that they have absolutely no racial motivations in their support of Zimmerman... why is it that LfromG felt the need to inform us that Zimmerman had "mentored black kids" and "gave financially to black churches"? I mean hell, wouldn't Zimmerman be just of good a person if he'd merely "mentored kids" and "supported churches"?

Well, the reason is obvious: it's the Farker version of "some of my best friends are black". I mean hey, if you preface your insanely racist idiocy with a comment about how concerned you are with the plight of black folk, you're automatically not racist. Not that I expect them to spontaneously develop self-awareness. But I do have to wonder: why is it that when the legal system was refusing to prosecute Zimmerman, guys like these two were screaming about how we need to respect the rule of law, but now that the legal system has decided to take Zimmerman to trial, they're suddenly convinced that the guy is victim of a "lynch mob"? (And oh, the irony of the anti-Martin crowd using that term.)

Despite all their whining about people passing judgement on Zimmerman, that's exactly what they're doing. They've made up their minds that he's "innocent", based on nothing but their desire for it to be true.
 
2012-04-28 03:07:21 AM

Mavent: Oh, and since LivefromGA and redhook are so convinced that they have absolutely no racial motivations in their support of Zimmerman... why is it that LfromG felt the need to inform us that Zimmerman had "mentored black kids" and "gave financially to black churches"? I mean hell, wouldn't Zimmerman be just of good a person if he'd merely "mentored kids" and "supported churches"?


If you have the slightest amount of common sense you would know that he mentioned it to shut you up about this being racially motivated. Besides, you're the one who pulled the race card. But you have no racial motivation in this.
 
2012-04-28 03:14:35 AM

Mavent: Oh, and since LivefromGA and redhook are so convinced that they have absolutely no racial motivations in their support of Zimmerman... why is it that LfromG felt the need to inform us that Zimmerman had "mentored black kids" and "gave financially to black churches"? I mean hell, wouldn't Zimmerman be just of good a person if he'd merely "mentored kids" and "supported churches"?

Well, the reason is obvious: it's the Farker version of "some of my best friends are black". I mean hey, if you preface your insanely racist idiocy with a comment about how concerned you are with the plight of black folk, you're automatically not racist. Not that I expect them to spontaneously develop self-awareness. But I do have to wonder: why is it that when the legal system was refusing to prosecute Zimmerman, guys like these two were screaming about how we need to respect the rule of law, but now that the legal system has decided to take Zimmerman to trial, they're suddenly convinced that the guy is victim of a "lynch mob"? (And oh, the irony of the anti-Martin crowd using that term.)

Despite all their whining about people passing judgement on Zimmerman, that's exactly what they're doing. They've made up their minds that he's "innocent", based on nothing but their desire for it to be true.


Wrong asshole. First of all I am pretty sure he has as much black in him (Zimmerman) as Obama. Secondly, why are YOU so convinced he is guilty? I personally don't like to see someone being tried and convicted in the media with the POTUS sticking his nose in it. How will this guy ever get a truly unbiased jury? I only care at this point that the guy is not railroaded into jail IF the facts play out like I have read. Unfortunately his life is ruined even if he is given a presidential pardon and video backs up everything, because people like you have already convicted him and will not accept any other outcome.
 
2012-04-28 03:16:52 AM
But he's only lying this one time.
 
2012-04-28 03:18:03 AM

Mavent: Oh, and since LivefromGA and redhook are so convinced that they have absolutely no racial motivations in their support of Zimmerman... why is it that LfromG felt the need to inform us that Zimmerman had "mentored black kids" and "gave financially to black churches"? I mean hell, wouldn't Zimmerman be just of good a person if he'd merely "mentored kids" and "supported churches"?

Well, the reason is obvious: it's the Farker version of "some of my best friends are black". I mean hey, if you preface your insanely racist idiocy with a comment about how concerned you are with the plight of black folk, you're automatically not racist. Not that I expect them to spontaneously develop self-awareness. But I do have to wonder: why is it that when the legal system was refusing to prosecute Zimmerman, guys like these two were screaming about how we need to respect the rule of law, but now that the legal system has decided to take Zimmerman to trial, they're suddenly convinced that the guy is victim of a "lynch mob"? (And oh, the irony of the anti-Martin crowd using that term.)

Despite all their whining about people passing judgement on Zimmerman, that's exactly what they're doing. They've made up their minds that he's "innocent", based on nothing but their desire for it to be true.


Maybe because racist people do not do what I described. It is a little more than I have a black friend jerk
 
2012-04-28 03:20:51 AM

s2s2s2: The ONLY relevant piece of information needed to acquit GZ, is an eyewitness seeing GZ pinned down, getting beaten up. That is the moment Martin surrendered his rights. That is confirmed by an eyewitness, and supported by documented head injuries.


Why does Martin have no right to defend himself from an armed maniac who is chasing after him at night, but Zimmerman has the right to shot Martin?

ulairix: Additionally, there is no proof that he followed him after the 911 operator told him that he didn't need to do that. According to Zimmerman and the 911 call he lose sight of Martin and according to Zimmerman he then returned to his vehicle, when Martin assaulted him.


He killed Martin in someones backyard. Thus disproving this "He went back to his vehicle and Martin chased him down" lie.

Brainsick: which is why there should have been a trial date set already,


Huh? This happened about than 2 months ago. I don't think any felony charge gets a trial date in just a couple of months. The nutcase who shot everyone he could at Ft Hood did that in November 2009, and he hasn't been tried. And there isn't any doubt about whether he did it, they stopped him in the act by shooting him, he never got away from the scene. The only question that's likely to be decided at trial is whether he was legally sane or not, but it's taken years already.

s2s2s2: Not really. It's been said before. If I slap you, you can't try to kill me. If you try to kill me, I can kill you. It is reasonable and fair. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.


Zimmerman was trying to kill Martin. We know this because he shot him, and Martin is dead. Seems to me Martin damn well had a right to do whatever to try and stop that. Martin's problem was that he didn't fight hard enough, he didn't win, he got killed.

Anyone that listens to the 911 call from Zimmerman knows how this started. Zimmerman wanted it. Martin tried to get away from Zimmerman, Zimmerman is biatching about how "assholes always get away", chases him down, catches him, kills him.

I can't imagine how any reasonable person can think you should be able to take a gun, chase someone down who is breaking no laws, and just kill them. You sound a lot like 9beers with his "Give him a medal" nonsense.

Do you really want people wandering around the street, just picking out anyone they want, chasing them down and shooting them?

Silly Jesus: He followed him to see what he was up to. That's perfectly legal. What are you arguing? A trial date for 2nd degree murder should be set because he followed someone?


You are making an argument that only works if everyone pretends that your hero didn't shoot him dead.

mjbok: Zimmerman could have been held longer, but the evidence just wasn't there to charge him.


Is sure doesn't look like they did much investigation. Normally, the cops are suspicious of the guy with a smoking gun standing over a dead body. In this case, they just took his word. There were reports about "correcting" witness statements. They didn't do blood/alchol tests on Zimmerman, which is normal practice. Apparently they didn't contact Martin's family either, which should have been easy. He had a cell phone with him and had been talking to his GF just before everything went nutso, that phone had to be either in a pocket or on the ground near where the shooting happened. There was probably an entry for "Mom" and one for "Dad", and the calling back the last number used would have reached the GF. But they apparently sent the body to the morgue and didn't do any followup to try and figure out who should be contacted.

For me, the apparent lack of an investigation was what made this a case worth paying attention to. People get shot fairly often. But normally, the cops don't just ignore it when they know who did the shooting.

mjbok: The thing is even if Zimmerman did start the physical confrontation, even if he took a swing at Martin, legally it doesn't matter. What matters is how the confrontation played out. If Zimmerman cheap shotted Martin and Martin fought back, got the upper hand, and was pummeling Zimmerman to the point that Zimmerman felt he was in imminent danger, that's what matters from a legal point of view. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that is what the law says.


Your claiming that you can assault someone for no reason, and that it's not a crime. I'm not buying it. Yes, that may negate a murder charge - but if that were the case, you should still be charged with assault and battery at the very least.
 
2012-04-28 03:26:24 AM

JuggleGeek: I can't imagine how any reasonable person can think you should be able to take a gun, chase someone down who is breaking no laws, and just kill them.


The prosecutor will be fired and facing charges and you'll still be saying the same thing, won't you?
 
2012-04-28 03:52:59 AM

9beers: The prosecutor will be fired and facing charges and you'll still be saying the same thing, won't you?


You're even more nuts than I thought if you think they are going to lock up the prosecutor. With a dead body, a smoking gun, a confession he shot the kid, a 911 call that makes it clear he chased down the kid, the dead body in a back yard away from his car, etc, it makes sense to take this to court.

This isn't a case where someone was sitting at home and an intruder kicked in their door and they shot the intruder.

Zimmerman was the instigator, based on his own phone call.

The Duke false-rape case had a prosecutor that knew the case he was prosecuting was BS. He got disbarred, but he isn't sitting in prison. Claiming this prosecutor will be "facing charges" makes no sense.

I'll accept the verdict however it comes out. At least now there has been some kind of investigation, which is a lot more than happened right away.

But you are correct that I'll never consider it acceptable to go start a fight and shoot an unarmed kid who wasn't doing anything other than walking home and talking on the phone to his GF.

Zimmerman's 911 call makes him sound guilty. He has a ton of opportunity to avoid all this, and the 911 operator tries to get him to stay put, but he's running on about "assholes always get away" and "farking ?????s", and he's intent on not letting this one get away. He says Martin is running, he admits to chasing him. He didn't want to agree to a location to meet the cops because he was still looking. He found the kid in someones backyard. Even if Martin made the first physical contact, it's because ZImmeran had chased him and gotten close enough for that to be possible.

For you, that makes Zimmerman a hero, to be given medals and emulated. You're thrilled that he killed this kid, and you've claimed that the kid was a thug who was casing houses. But there is no evidence of that, and plenty of evidence that Martin was walking home from the store and talking on the phone to his GF.

ZImmerman himself makes it clear that Martin tried to avoid this conflict. It was ZImmerman that wanted it.
 
2012-04-28 04:05:09 AM

JuggleGeek: a 911 call that makes it clear he chased down the kid


Seriously dude, are you being willfully ignorant? The prosecution admitted during the bond hearing that there is absolutely no proof of that happening. If you want to be taken seriously, try sticking to the facts.
 
2012-04-28 04:11:31 AM

9beers: Seriously dude, are you being willfully ignorant? The prosecution admitted during the bond hearing that there is absolutely no proof of that happening. If you want to be taken seriously, try sticking to the facts.


What the hell are you talking about?

It's on the 911 call. He says that Martin is running. He says that he's following him. You can hear him running. He won't agree to a location to meet the cops, saying that they should call him when they get there.

Then he's found standing over a dead body in a back yard.

But you claim I'm ignorant for saying he chased the kid. You've listed to the 911 call, just like everyone else. I don't know why you bother to lie about stuff that everyone knows.
 
2012-04-28 04:13:46 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Gonna get paid.

When the book comes out.

Cha-ching!



Oh absolutely, that and being a pundit on Fox as well as new clients to expand his firm. This guy is going to make big bank, that's his motivation.
Or was. Let's see how the rest of this plays out. It will be interesting to see if he sticks around after this, or if he quits too. I think the first set of attorneys realized what they were getting into when they ditched him.

Oh, and if Zimmerman really had a fight and didn't hit his head on the car door frame trying to get away, he'd look more like this
So for those of you who think Zimmerman has actual injuries just to satisfy your own racist blood lust......GTFO of my country.

//yes, I do know a thing or three about MOI
 
2012-04-28 04:48:45 AM

JuggleGeek: 9beers: Seriously dude, are you being willfully ignorant? The prosecution admitted during the bond hearing that there is absolutely no proof of that happening. If you want to be taken seriously, try sticking to the facts.

What the hell are you talking about?

It's on the 911 call. He says that Martin is running. He says that he's following him. You can hear him running. He won't agree to a location to meet the cops, saying that they should call him when they get there.

Then he's found standing over a dead body in a back yard.

But you claim I'm ignorant for saying he chased the kid. You've listed to the 911 call, just like everyone else. I don't know why you bother to lie about stuff that everyone knows.


Can you cite any report that he was in a backyard? He was in a "cut through" from what I can tell and from what he said in the 9-11 call. That means peoples back yards were facing where he was. There is also no mention in the transcript of him running.

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerm a n.html
 
2012-04-28 04:50:06 AM
 
2012-04-28 05:03:23 AM
See this, not a backyard. This is what you call a "common area".

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2012-04-28 05:18:11 AM
This is for 9beers, beta plus and all of his alts.

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Since this is serious thread. Actually seriouser thread.

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2012-04-28 06:35:48 AM

NightOwl2255: I'm watching darts on NBCSP. Holy crap, I thought girls basketball was boring.

The only exciting thing is seeing a guy get 3 triple 20's and everyone in the crowd going crazy. And drinking, I like the drinking. Hell, it would be more exciting to watch the drinkers.


I've heard that NBCSP is getting worse ratings than they did then when they were Versus. And with stuff like that on and Poker, it doesn't surprise me one bit.

/CSB
 
2012-04-28 07:09:38 AM

GeneralJim: Call yourself whatever you want. It still boils down to "take the wrong position on EVERYTHING."


Yeah, especially when it comes to things like the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960's and the Gay Rights movement of today.

Oh wait...
 
2012-04-28 07:24:45 AM

s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: s2s2s2: Fart_Machine: pedobearapproved: pyrotek85: I disagree, it isn't assault every time you speak to or approach a stranger and they feel 'afraid'. You can follow and speak with a stranger, that alone isn't a reasonable cause for fear. If he said something threatening then yeah perhaps, but you need to do something else besides just approaching them. If Zimmerman was literally chasing after Martin (as in running) or if he pulled out his gun, then you'd have a point. We don't know what Zimmerman did or said, or even if he was the one that approached Martin and not the other way around as he claims.

This is all speculation

That's the problem. We only have the words of Zimmerman. People who want Zimmerman hung up by his heels don't want to believe Zimmerman when we've been offered no evidence at all that he lied. So they make up these grand stories that are full of speculation about intent and actions when they have no proof if they actually occurred.

Oh the irony. There is no proof of his story either apart from being alive to tell it.

Well, that and the 911 call, his injuries, the girlfriend's call, the eye witness...

So your saying the eyewitness saw the whole incident from start to finish? You should let the authorities know about this vast insight.

No, I'm saying the preponderance of evidence supports George's testimony.


Zimmerman hasn't testified yet. And with the credibility problems he's been having, of which this episode of not being entirely forthcoming to the court about the donations he's gotten via his website, I am not sure his lawyer will permit him to testify.

s2s2s2: The ONLY relevant piece of information needed to acquit GZ, is an eyewitness seeing GZ pinned down, getting beaten up. That is the moment Martin surrendered his rights. That is confirmed by an eyewitness, and supported by documented head injuries.


May not be enough by itself without GZ's testimony. The eyewitness was not present when GZ fired his gun.
 
2012-04-28 07:34:40 AM
"...donations he's gotten via his website IS ONE,..."

FTFM
 
2012-04-28 08:22:59 AM

NightOwl2255: Silly Jesus: It's not been proven to be accurate enough to even be admitted into evidence in the trial. It's an emerging science that still has a long way to go. I don't see that alone as reason enough to put a man through a trial, especially when an eyewitness who was feet away says that Zimmerman was the one screaming.

Unless it's stipulated, and I don't see that happening, the "screaming" will never be admitted into evidence. I'm more interested in the autopsy and the texts from Zimmerman's phone.


What about the autopsy do you want to know? They spoke about it at the hearing as it related to the gunshot wound. They said a lot, but essentially it indicated that he was shot in the chest at point blank range.
 
2012-04-28 08:24:53 AM

Brainsick: Silly Jesus: Well now my troll list has fallen back to one lone soul. I suppose this is a good thing. Brainfart is giving me an itchy troll finger though. (I know there's a joke there somewhere)

Anywho, fark you, fark you, fark you, you're cool, fark you, I'm out.

If you meant me, I never troll. I mock, I question, and sometimes I jest, but I never troll. Goodnight, Silly One.


Sometimes, when Poe's Law kicks in, I just assume troll. Perhaps I give too much credit in doing that.
 
2012-04-28 08:27:15 AM

Brainsick: redhook: Zimmerman was the Captain of the neighborhood watch.

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I'm fairly certain I stated (in the post you responded to) that there was no neighborhood watch to be captain of. Better do your homework on 'citizen's arrest' laws too, I bet it doesn't mean what you think it does. If you 'citizens arrest' someone, you stand a good chance of being charged with false imprisonment, kidnapping, or wrongful arrest, just off the top of my head.


This is the sign at the entrance to Zimmerman's neighborhood. Just for starters...

www.thegrio.com
 
2012-04-28 08:28:43 AM

CliChe Guevara: ulairix: Additionally, there is no proof that he followed him after the 911 operator told him that he didn't need to do that. According to Zimmerman and the 911 call he lose sight of Martin and according to Zimmerman he then returned to his vehicle, when Martin assaulted him.

you know, other than there is a time gap between when he hung up with 911 and when martins phone call went dead, and that the altercation happened even FURTHER away from his vehicle than the place he seemed to indicate he was when he was on the phone. if he had gone back to his car at that point, he would have been back there by then.


If Martin had continued home and not hidden on a porch, he would have been back home by then.
 
2012-04-28 08:30:55 AM
Why would they need to increase the bond just because he actually has the money to defend himself now? It's not like he's going to walk away from this swimming in cash. His lawyer is going to get all of that, and whatever is left over is going to fund the costs of keeping him safe until trial. It's not like he's going to be able to work in a job that has public contact. I suppose some supporter could offer him a job where he sits in a back room in some office and never sees anyone

Azlefty: eurotrader: The point of a bond amount is to insure the accused shows up to court. The person is still presumed innocent and bond amounts are not supposed to be punitive. I doubt very much Zimmerman set up the PayPal account, his attorney on the other hand wants to be paid. If he was not overcharged there would be a question of excessive bond already.

As part of setting Bond, it is supposed to be high enough so that the accused and those funding it have the Financial incentive to insure the accused shows up as mandated. WE now learn that his family could pay off the bail bondsman with "donations" if he absconds, making 150K not a good guarantee for his continued cooperation with the Courts.

Additionally 2nd Degree Murder is not an overcharge as some suggest, since it can be argued he acted with depraved indifference in the events that led up to the shooting.


The one thing that Zimmerman has going for him right now is that he's always cooperated with the authorities. He gave them a full statement after the shooting, he kept police notified of his whereabouts and turned himself in when he found out he was going to be arrested. The best evidence FOR him is that his actions say he is innocent. Bond jumping would completely ruin that image, and since he's about the most recognizable person in the country at the moment, and at least half of the population is eager to see him locked away, he wouldn't get very far if he did try to run. No. He'll be at trial, no matter what the bond is.
 
2012-04-28 08:33:05 AM

Brainsick: redhook: Brainsick: redhook: Brainsick: redhook: Zimmerman was the Captain of the neighborhood watch.

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I'm fairly certain I stated (in the post you responded to) that there was no neighborhood watch to be captain of. Better do your homework on 'citizen's arrest' laws too, I bet it doesn't mean what you think it does. If you 'citizens arrest' someone, you stand a good chance of being charged with false imprisonment, kidnapping, or wrongful arrest, just off the top of my head.

It has been stated in many articles that Zimmerman was the Neighborhood Watch Captain. Reading, learn how to do it.

According to Wiki, he was the only one to volunteer, making him captain by default. I stand corrected.

Also from the wiki page:
Sanford Police volunteer program coordinator Wendy Dorival, told the Miami Herald that she met Zimmerman in September, 2011 at a community neighborhood watch presentation. Dorival stated that she gave a warning with respect to vigilante behavior at that meeting: "I said, 'If it's someone you don't recognize, call us. We'll figure it out,'" Dorival said. "'Observe from a safe location.' There's even a slide about not being vigilante police. I don't know how many more times I can repeat it."[60]

Which is why Zimmerman was keeping an eye on Martin from a distance while speaking to the police.

He left his safe location when he pursued Martin in a vigilante fashion.


Vigilante? Seriously? You can make better arguments than that. Using loaded words is a sign of a weak argument, not a strong one.
 
2012-04-28 08:46:08 AM

JuggleGeek: s2s2s2: The ONLY relevant piece of information needed to acquit GZ, is an eyewitness seeing GZ pinned down, getting beaten up. That is the moment Martin surrendered his rights. That is confirmed by an eyewitness, and supported by documented head injuries.

Why does Martin have no right to defend himself from an armed maniac who is chasing after him at night, but Zimmerman has the right to shot Martin?

ulairix: Additionally, there is no proof that he followed him after the 911 operator told him that he didn't need to do that. According to Zimmerman and the 911 call he lose sight of Martin and according to Zimmerman he then returned to his vehicle, when Martin assaulted him.

He killed Martin in someones backyard. Thus disproving this "He went back to his vehicle and Martin chased him down" lie.

Brainsick: which is why there should have been a trial date set already,

Huh? This happened about than 2 months ago. I don't think any felony charge gets a trial date in just a couple of months. The nutcase who shot everyone he could at Ft Hood did that in November 2009, and he hasn't been tried. And there isn't any doubt about whether he did it, they stopped him in the act by shooting him, he never got away from the scene. The only question that's likely to be decided at trial is whether he was legally sane or not, but it's taken years already.

s2s2s2: Not really. It's been said before. If I slap you, you can't try to kill me. If you try to kill me, I can kill you. It is reasonable and fair. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Zimmerman was trying to kill Martin. We know this because he shot him, and Martin is dead. Seems to me Martin damn well had a right to do whatever to try and stop that. Martin's problem was that he didn't fight hard enough, he didn't win, he got killed.

Anyone that listens to the 911 call from Zimmerman knows how this started. Zimmerman wanted it. Martin tried to get away from Zimmerman, Zimmerman is biatching about how "assholes always ...


You're an idiot. About 75% of your post includes erroneous information that has been discussed ad nausea in these threads with supporting evidence.

Poe's Law comes into play here and I don't give you enough credit to be a troll...

You are now Pretty in Pink.
 
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