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StoPPeRmobile		2012-04-27 08:16:23 PM

GoSurfing: punistation: George will stand trial one day. Nothing can stop this.

BE READY.

It's as if many of you want to see a riot, but from the far away comfort of your couch. People like this are farked in the head.

If it ends up that there is a riot, I'm going to be seriously pissed- because where the fark were you when any of the more pressing matters that directly affected ALL OF US came to fruition? NDAA anyone? Nope leave it to stinky hippies to march against that.

forums.radioreference.com

cretinbob		2012-04-27 08:16:57 PM

beta_plus: I'm sorry that your so butthurt that you're not going to get to send an innocent man to the electric chair.

Thank you for upholding the dumbass pseudocon Teabagger stereotype.

The derp is strong with you.

Azlefty		2012-04-27 08:17:59 PM

justoneznot: What I don't understand is why would a lawyer quit because of that? That seems to be a reason to stick around, hey this guy's gonna be loaded in cash soon, $$.

If the Client will not listen to the Lawyer then the Lawyer cannot do his job and defend them, From the "apology" to the "overlooking" of the 200K, Zimmerman is turning out to be the Client from hell,

Joshudan		2012-04-27 08:20:52 PM

Serious Black: dittybopper: Serious Black:

IANAL by any stretch

With a name like "Serious Black", I bet you do.

Yes, because I am obviously a humorless African-American.

I thought you were a rugby fan.

Thunderpipes		2012-04-27 08:24:14 PM

Mavent: The fact that there were people willing to donate money to this guy tells you all you need to know about what's wrong with America. I'm not saying he's guilty or innocent- that will be for a court to decide. All I'm saying is: people donated to this guy based on nothing more than the fact that he killed a black kid.

People donated money to a guy that is being unfairly persecuted by the media, all liberals, the President, the Justice Department, the Black Panthers, Fark, Al, Jesse, and all black people in the country, with absolutely no evidence to show he did anything wrong.

This is what is RIGHT about America. Some people still believe a person is innocent until proven guilty and that the justice system applies to everyone, unlike you turd faced liberals.

Mrtraveler01		2012-04-27 08:28:14 PM

Thunderpipes: unlike you turd faced liberals

That's the best you can come up with?

*scoffs*

Wake me up when you're ready to play with the big boys.

Thunderpipes		2012-04-27 08:29:56 PM

Mrtraveler01: Thunderpipes: unlike you turd faced liberals

That's the best you can come up with?

*scoffs*

Wake me up when you're ready to play with the big boys.

Why don't you go lynch some poor Mexican guy. Oh wait.... you all want to.

Turd.

D_S_W		2012-04-27 08:31:40 PM

traylor: [gnostalgia.files.wordpress.com image 640x433]

Want.

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face		2012-04-27 08:34:28 PM

GoSurfing: It's as if many of you want to see a riot, but from the far away comfort of your couch.

Of course they do, how else is the RAHOWA going to start? You think they're man enough to start it themselves?

Crotchrocket Slim		2012-04-27 08:42:46 PM

Serious Black: dittybopper: Serious Black:

IANAL by any stretch

With a name like "Serious Black", I bet you do.

Yes, because I am obviously a humorless African-American.

Best response I can think of towards such a post :)

pedobearapproved		2012-04-27 08:42:49 PM

Azlefty: Better yet not to do something that gets your in the situation, such as chasing people that have committed no crime

and if fairies flew out of my butt and sprinkled the world with gold dust!

The situation isn't hypothetical. It actually happened. What I'm asking is at what point would it be reasonable that Zimmerman shoots Martin?

pyrotek85		2012-04-27 08:43:48 PM

Azlefty: pyrotek85: If they make the claim that Martin went after Zimmerman first in self defense, they'll need a good theory on why. It's not illegal to follow someone or even confront and question them. There is no evidence (that we know of) that Zimmerman grabbed or tackled Martin, much less approaching him with his gun drawn (as some people implied). Just saying that Martin feared Zimmerman isn't enough, it has to be a reasonable fear. Maybe Zimmerman did do one of those things, but nothing suggests it right now

Actually if you follow or confront someone when you have no reason to do so and it creates fear of harm, it is Assault, that is a reasonable fear, if I have some stranger follow me in a vehicle and then when I cut through a common area to get way from him I would have a reasonable fear of harm if they left the vehicle to chase me.

You and many others have this misconception that you are allowed to slink around public places to shadow anyone that you deem suspicious, you don't since when you do you can create apprehension and fear of harm which is Assault.

The problem is that Zimmerman did not act like a reasonable person would, a reasonable person would have followed what the P.D. taught them in their neighborhood watch class and observe but not to chase or confront.

I disagree, it isn't assault every time you speak to or approach a stranger and they feel 'afraid'. You can follow and speak with a stranger, that alone isn't a reasonable cause for fear. If he said something threatening then yeah perhaps, but you need to do something else besides just approaching them. If Zimmerman was literally chasing after Martin (as in running) or if he pulled out his gun, then you'd have a point. We don't know what Zimmerman did or said, or even if he was the one that approached Martin and not the other way around as he claims.

This is all speculation

ulairix		2012-04-27 08:46:29 PM

Zoomaster: Yes if I just murdered somebody, after tracking and hunting him down, I would beat my own head on the sidewalk for my made up self-defense alibi too.

Except there are witnesses who actually saw Martin bashing Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.

Azlefty: Well when you commit a criminal act that is a violent crime you lose your "right" to self defense. It is no different than if someone robs me and as I defend myself, they kill me; it is not self defense even though I was trying to commit serious harm to them.

Except there is absolutely no proof that Zimmerman started the fight. Someone following you is not a violent action, nor is it illegal. So far the only witness the prosecution claims is the girlfriend and her testimony could be considered hearsay as there might not be proof of what either of them said. At best she is unreliable as a witness because she didn't actually see anything.

chewielouie		2012-04-27 08:50:32 PM

Cold blooded killer? I think not.

cretinbob		2012-04-27 08:52:07 PM

This is NOT the face of a lawyer who is happy with his client.

bugontherug		2012-04-27 08:54:45 PM

Silly Jesus: bugontherug: Oznog: Really I think he DOES have a case, a big one. While he was acting unwisely, it sounds like Martin DID start wailing on him first.

I take issue with the law, because ironically, Martin could be justified in defending himself by pommeling Zimmerman. Technically Martin could have bashed Zimmerman's skull in with a chunk of concrete, because he followed him at night on an empty street. That doesn't happen for "good" reasons, and implies to me the guy HAD a weapon because you don't get all ballsy farking with strangers like that without a plan. I believe Martin had a reasonable belief Zimmerman was an attacker putting Martin's life in danger.

The problem here is that the DA didn't even TRY to charge him at first, and it looks like the investigation just got dropped way too soon. It was a serious incident and a man was killed, this IS worthy of spending time on.

One thing I don't think has occurred to Zimmerman's gun toting right wing apologists is that Zimmerman getting off scot free is worse for the future of stand your ground and concealed carry laws than him being convicted and sentenced to a lengthy prison term. If he goes home and gets rich with book/movie deals. that proves the system massively failed. If he goes to prison, that means stand your ground/concealed carry laws don't necessarily lead to the killing of innocent children.

So an innocent man should be imprisoned for the remainder of his life to preserve a law?

How does him making money off public interest in his situation prove a failure of the system?

How does him going to prison mean that the law doesn't lead to the killing of innocent children?

Surely this is a troll post...

Nope. No troll post.

1) No, nothing I said indicated Zimmerman should be imprisoned to preserve a law. He should be imprisoned because he racially profiled a child conducting lawful business, hunted him down, harassed him for no legitimate purpose, and killed him when he tried to defend himself. But for those rushing to Zimmerman's defense because you think convicting him threatens your action hero fantasies, the real threat to them comes from Zimmerman walking away from this and getting rich.

2) Decent people don't think people who shoot to death unarmed children should profit from doing so. Even if Zimmerman gets off on a technicality, no moral person thinks he was in the right. If he gets rich off of this--and he's already raised from it in a few months more than what 99% of Americans make in three years--that proves the system rewarded a racist child killer with a documented history of criminal violence. That's a bad outcome. A massive failure that shows the need for reform of stand your ground/concealed carry laws.

3) You're right about item three. Really, Zimmerman going to prison doesn't prove stand your ground/concealed carry laws don't lead to killing innocent children. But at least if Zimmerman goes to prison, SYG/CC apologists can argue that the system worked, and that future would be gun toting racist child killers will be deterred from pulling a Zimmerman. There will be less public demand for SYG/CC reform if Zimmerman goes to prison than if he walks.

pedobearapproved		2012-04-27 08:54:52 PM

pyrotek85: I disagree, it isn't assault every time you speak to or approach a stranger and they feel 'afraid'. You can follow and speak with a stranger, that alone isn't a reasonable cause for fear. If he said something threatening then yeah perhaps, but you need to do something else besides just approaching them. If Zimmerman was literally chasing after Martin (as in running) or if he pulled out his gun, then you'd have a point. We don't know what Zimmerman did or said, or even if he was the one that approached Martin and not the other way around as he claims.

This is all speculation

That's the problem. We only have the words of Zimmerman. People who want Zimmerman hung up by his heels don't want to believe Zimmerman when we've been offered no evidence at all that he lied. So they make up these grand stories that are full of speculation about intent and actions when they have no proof if they actually occurred.

Silly Jesus		2012-04-27 08:55:39 PM

vitalogygirl: Can't wait to see that 1099-K form next tax season, George.

You do know that you can give money to someone without it being taxed, right?

LivefromGA		2012-04-27 08:55:44 PM

s2s2s2		2012-04-27 08:56:32 PM

HotWingConspiracy: s2s2s2: HotWingConspiracy: There is no greater moron than a racist right winger

The Obstructionist GOP Scoffs at you.

Why? They bilk racist right wingers out of cash every day. Marks, all of them.

To be fair, scoffing at shiat is pretty much all they got.

Zulu_as_Kono		2012-04-27 08:57:14 PM

Thunderpipes: Some white dude in Alabama got his ass kicked by a group of black guys who yelled that it was for Traypacks.

You're lying: Link

"I can tell you this without a doubt, 100% certainty, that Trayvon Martin was not the motivating factor in this incident," says Cpl. Chris Levy.

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MOBILE, Alabama --

Thursday 6:45 p.m.
The only suspect arrested so far in the brutal beating of Matthew Owens is out of jail.

Terry Rawls was released from Mobile Metro Jail just after 12 noon today. He posted a scheduled $7,500 bond and avoided facing a judge for a bond hearing tomorrow.

His first court appearance is now scheduled for May 10.

Rawls surrendered yesterday on an assault charge. He is one of four arrests expected in the beating case.

Meanwhile, Owens' sister is changing her story about what happened in the moments leading up to the beating that landed her brother in the hospital. But police are not buying it.

Ashley Parker now tells News 5, neighborhood kids intentionally threw a basketball into her yard, hoping to get closer to the house and steal something off the porch.

But police say that's not what she told them, nor what they've heard from witnesses, Owens or Rawls.

Police maintain the kids were playing basketball when a ball rolled into Parker's yard. When they asked permission to retrieve the ball for a second time, Police say Owens said something that made Rawls and the rest of the mob angry.

People living in the neighborhood woke up to find racist flyers littering their lawns.

The flyers are actually an Aryan newsletter from 3 years ago. Police believe white supremacists are trying to take advantage of the racialy charged atmosphere to stir up more bad feelings.

Wednesday 6:30 p.m.
Mobile County District Attorney Ashley Rich says her office met with the U.S. Attorney, FBI and the police department about the Matthew Owens beating case.

They want the feds to decide whether a hate crime was committed.

Owens was beaten by a mob of 20 people Saturday night across the street from his sister's house on Delmar Drive. Despite witnesses telling News 5 that one of the attackers said "This is justice for Trayvon" after the beating, police say the shooting of the unarmed teenager in Samford, Florida was not the reason for this attack.

"I can tell you this without a doubt, 100% certainty, that Trayvon Martin was not the motivating factor in this incident," says Cpl. Chris Levy.

Deputy Chief Lester Hargrove says investigators believe only four people, including Terry Rawls, were directly involved. They believe the rest of the mob just watched.

Police say the beating is the result of a three year neighborhood dispute between Rawls and Owens.

Mrtraveler01		2012-04-27 08:57:47 PM

Thunderpipes: Mrtraveler01: Thunderpipes: unlike you turd faced liberals

That's the best you can come up with?

*scoffs*

Wake me up when you're ready to play with the big boys.

Why don't you go lynch some poor Mexican guy. Oh wait.... you all want to.

Turd.

Uh...Zimmerman isn't Mexican. But I guess all Hispanics look alike to you right? ;)

pawsru.org

Is this the best you guys can really do? How pathetic.

Zulu_as_Kono		2012-04-27 08:57:50 PM

Jesus, that wasn't supposed to happen.

Silly Jesus		2012-04-27 08:58:23 PM

Oznog: Silly Jesus: Satanic_Hamster: Thunderpipes: Satanic_Hamster: dittybopper: If Zimmerman's story is correct, he didn't use deadly force until after he was knocked down and getting his ass beat. In every single state, no matter whether you initiated the fight or not, you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe you are in danger of being killed or suffering great bodily harm, and you can't escape. If someone has you pinned down and it banging your head, I think that counts.

That's a stupid lie and you're stupid for saying it. That's even dumber then GED in law level of stupid, that's how stupid your legal "advice is." You should feel bad for even typing something that stupid.

It is entirely accurate. Look up state laws.

Here is Vermont's:

§ 2305. Justifiable homicide

If a person kills or wounds another under any of the circumstances enumerated below, he or she shall be guiltless:

(1) In the just and necessary defense of his or her own life or the life of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, sister, master, mistress, servant, guardian or ward; or

(2) In the suppression of a person attempting to commit murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, burglary or robbery, with force or violence; or

(3) In the case of a civil officer; or a military officer or private soldier when lawfully called out to suppress riot or rebellion, or to prevent or suppress invasion, or to assist in serving legal process, in suppressing opposition against him or her in the just and necessary discharge of his or her duty. (Amended 1983, No. 23, § 2.)

Silly troll account, no where does it say that you can start a crime or a fight and then claim it's self defense. You're not allowed to walk up to a stranger, biatch slap them, and then shoot them if they fight back.

And if you ARE allowed, I need your home address.

You're gonna be needing that home address...

If provocation is limited to a physical assault, and if Zimmerman's account that Martin blindsided him ...

You've lost me...too many WHAT IF'S

TheBigJerk		2012-04-27 08:59:05 PM

mongbiohazard: dittybopper: he's already blown through $50,000 of it on "living expenses, rent or whatever"

I can honestly see that. He had to find a reasonably place to live fairly anonymously, and fast. That means probably some kind of limited access apartment, and I'm sure they'd want more than just a single months rent and a security deposit, especially knowing who he is. Probably have to rent a car also, and of course food and someone to go buy it for him (or have it delivered).

Hmm.... I'd be inclined to disagree.

I do high-end, short term fully furnished apartments for a living and have been for around 9 years now...

(wall o text)

Interesting post. Pretending, for a moment, you were in his shoes and had his (stupid) brain, how much do you think you could end up wasting on "most expensive option" housing (like paying a "no credit check" fee and signing a 7 month lease for a 1-month hiding place) while still pretending the expenses were "legitimate"? I'm only asking because I know fark-all about the market and I'm curious.

I figure Zimmerman's the kind of guy who would buy another gun, (even though he was armed) and blow money on shiat just because he felt flush and rationalized it as, "they won't look for me here because it's expensive, hurr." He may have also decided to just pay off some debts, since statistically speaking he probably had some.

Mrtraveler01		2012-04-27 08:59:43 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: You're lying: Link

Everyone knows WKRG and this Cpl. have an agenda against white people. Of course they'd say that.

/not serious

LivefromGA		2012-04-27 09:01:12 PM

ggecko: Ok, here is a quick rude and crude one:

[i.imgur.com image 580x726]

Really? Why didn't you post the picture of the 7yr. old Tryvon for maximum trolling?

s2s2s2		2012-04-27 09:01:39 PM

bugontherug: Not trolling, just stupid.

Tennozan		2012-04-27 09:02:47 PM

KOOLmike: *summons 9beers to the thread*

Really? There are already plenty of trolls, and by the quotes from some - plenty of morons too. Still, sometimes it's funny to read the screaming blather of people like Derppipes, whilst being able to avoid the flying spittle.

JuggleGeek		2012-04-27 09:03:36 PM

beta_plus: Scream and cry as much as you want, it doesn't excuse Trayvon's actions. It wouldn't even matter if his great grand parents were gassed at Auschwitz. There is no excuse for this behavior in our society no matter what happened to one's ancestors.

Trayvon's actions? His behavior? What did he do? Buy skittles, walk home, call his girlfriend?

Timmy the Tumor: And since it isn't, Trayvon could have theoretically (NONE of us has a clue what really happened) run, or stood up and waited to see if Zimmerman would attack again, or just held him down until the cops came. Once he passes that point, and continues beating on Zimmerman, and it transforms from "fistfight" to "someone may die here" wouldn't Zimmerman be justified in defending himself, up to and including lethal force?

I think it's likely that (regardless of who started the fight) Martin was winning the fight, realized that he had pretty much won the fight, and started to back off - which is when Zimmerman was able to shoot him. It's certainly possible that ZImmerman was getting the life beat out of him and was still able to pull his gun, flip off the safety and shoot, but it seems unlikely. Much more likely that Martin was stopping, and that gave Zimmerman the chance to murder him.

It's odd how all the Zimmerman supports claim Martin started the fight, despite evidence on the 911 call that Martin tried to avoid Zimmerman, and how they all claim that Martin had no right to fight the armed maniac who was attacking him, but that Zimmerman was completely justified in shooting the kid.

pyrotek85: Just saying that Martin feared Zimmerman isn't enough, it has to be a reasonable fear.

If you are walking, alone, at night, and someone you don't know starts following you, it's reasonable to worry that they may be up to no good. If you run away, get around a corner, hide, and they run after you and look for you, you would be a damn fool not to have a "reasonable fear".

Gyrfalcon		2012-04-27 09:03:51 PM

I'll be so glad when this is over.

And like everyone who's also saying it, I'll be smirking (from a safe, dark hole in the ground) if Zimmerman is found not guilty of murder.

Silly Jesus		2012-04-27 09:04:54 PM

Mavent: Harridan: Mavent: The fact that there were people willing to donate money to this guy tells you all you need to know about what's wrong with America. I'm not saying he's guilty or innocent- that will be for a court to decide. All I'm saying is: people donated to this guy based on nothing more than the fact that he killed a black kid.

Actually, it tells ME that a lot of Americans want to make sure this guy gets a fair trial and isn't railroaded and/or bankrupted to satisfy public opinion and lust for revenge. Thanks to that, his life is already ruined, even if he is acquitted.

Yeah, because all of you "fairness loving Americans" have been so quick to donate money to all the other people charged with crimes this year, right? Look, live in denial all you want, Jethro, but at the end of the day, we both know where your real motivations lie.

I hadn't heard of any other trials where the initial investigation released someone and then the Governor stepped in after the mobs showed up and appointed a prosecutor who suborned perjury (a crime) to try to get the most expedient political outcome.

Please point me to the other instances of this...

Biscuit Tin		2012-04-27 09:05:42 PM

I thought all the comments would relate to the wisdom of choosing Eric Idle as one's attorney. Apparently it's just Snarfangel and me on that train.

LivefromGA		2012-04-27 09:06:13 PM

Zoomaster: ThisIsNotSubtle: Any bets on how many lawyers Zimmerman goes through before this is all over?

==========================

The NRA will take care of all the lawyers he needs.

/he will have 10 lawyers for every one goverment lawyer

He will need every one of them thanks to the lying media, crooked DOJ, people like you and, oh yeah, the POTUS once again commenting on something he knows none if the FACTS about.

pedobearapproved		2012-04-27 09:07:14 PM

Azlefty: Well when you commit a criminal act that is a violent crime you lose your "right" to self defense. It is no different than if someone robs me and as I defend myself, they kill me; it is not self defense even though I was trying to commit serious harm to them.

If someone goes into a bar and punches you in the face because you look like the guy that farked his girlfriend, and your reaction is to grab a bottle and bust it on their head, and stab them with it you'll be the one in jail. Just because someone starts to assault you you don't suddenly get a "go all ape-shait and stabby on them for free" card. Now if you get all stabby at them and they pull out a gun and shoot you, they'll probably get off.

Actually if you follow or confront someone when you have no reason to do so and it creates fear of harm, it is Assault, that is a reasonable fear,

Sounds like you've had problems with the ladies at the bar before.

Harridan		2012-04-27 09:07:16 PM

Fart_Machine: Harridan: Actually, it tells ME that a lot of Americans want to make sure this guy gets a fair trial and isn't railroaded and/or bankrupted to satisfy public opinion and lust for revenge.

So sending money to his Paypal account will insure he gets a fair trial?

You really think lawyers are cheap? And good lawyers DON'T affect the outcome of a "fair" trial in 'Murrica?

Tennozan		2012-04-27 09:08:36 PM

chewielouie: When you rely on cable tv programming, you watch a lot of CSI, America's Most Wanted and Cops.

And when you watch Cops, you start to think you're a cop.

And when you start to think you're cop, you grab your gun and go out at night looking for trouble.

And when you grab your gun and go out at night looking for trouble, you find trouble.

And when you have a gun and you find trouble, people with Skittles die.

Don't go out at night with your gun looking for trouble.

Get rid of cable and upgrade to Direct TV.

Getting rid of cable now.... But, the money pouring in from morons and racists looks to be a great deal!

Zulu_as_Kono		2012-04-27 09:09:43 PM

vegasj: you will only be called a racist.

Or a liar, which he most demonstrably is.

Harridan		2012-04-27 09:10:53 PM

Mavent: Harridan: Mavent: The fact that there were people willing to donate money to this guy tells you all you need to know about what's wrong with America. I'm not saying he's guilty or innocent- that will be for a court to decide. All I'm saying is: people donated to this guy based on nothing more than the fact that he killed a black kid.

Actually, it tells ME that a lot of Americans want to make sure this guy gets a fair trial and isn't railroaded and/or bankrupted to satisfy public opinion and lust for revenge. Thanks to that, his life is already ruined, even if he is acquitted.

Yeah, because all of you "fairness loving Americans" have been so quick to donate money to all the other people charged with crimes this year, right? Look, live in denial all you want, Jethro, but at the end of the day, we both know where your real motivations lie.

Oh? Really? Pray, do tell me what my own motivations are. It's arsehats like you that are the reason that people ARE concerned that he get a fair trial. Seeing as you've already convicted him based on you "Knowing where [others'] motivations lie."

Presumptuous Fark.

LivefromGA		2012-04-27 09:11:03 PM

justoneznot: Bunnyhat: Zimmerman was the one who set up the website and paypal account. His first lawyer quit partly because of it.

What I don't understand is why would a lawyer quit because of that? That seems to be a reason to stick around, hey this guy's gonna be loaded in cash soon, $$.

Actually, Zimmerman quit taking his first attorney's calls according to the interview the attorney in question gave on TV

Silly Jesus		2012-04-27 09:11:35 PM

Azlefty: pyrotek85: If they make the claim that Martin went after Zimmerman first in self defense, they'll need a good theory on why. It's not illegal to follow someone or even confront and question them. There is no evidence (that we know of) that Zimmerman grabbed or tackled Martin, much less approaching him with his gun drawn (as some people implied). Just saying that Martin feared Zimmerman isn't enough, it has to be a reasonable fear. Maybe Zimmerman did do one of those things, but nothing suggests it right now

Actually if you follow or confront someone when you have no reason to do so and it creates fear of harm, it is Assault, that is a reasonable fear, if I have some stranger follow me in a vehicle and then when I cut through a common area to get way from him I would have a reasonable fear of harm if they left the vehicle to chase me.

You and many others have this misconception that you are allowed to slink around public places to shadow anyone that you deem suspicious, you don't since when you do you can create apprehension and fear of harm which is Assault.

The problem is that Zimmerman did not act like a reasonable person would, a reasonable person would have followed what the P.D. taught them in their neighborhood watch class and observe but not to chase or confront.

Walking behind someone in public is Assault now? I'd love to see the citation for what jurisdiction calls that Assault or anything bordering it.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

KOOLmike		2012-04-27 09:13:10 PM

Tennozan: KOOLmike: *summons 9beers to the thread*

Really? There are already plenty of trolls, and by the quotes from some - plenty of morons too. Still, sometimes it's funny to read the screaming blather of people like Derppipes, whilst being able to avoid the flying spittle.

Dude, don't get it twisted. This is Fark. EVERYONE here is a troll. There is not one single post here that isn't bait for some sort of response or another. Granted, there may be a small number of intelligent conversations taking place in the background of any given thread, but the folks having those conversations will inevitably drop their own brand of troll scat in other threads.

If you don't take this shiat too seriously, those trollish remarks make for great entertainment, no matter who spouted them.

Silly Jesus		2012-04-27 09:13:18 PM

Azlefty: pedobearapproved: As a serious question:
So even if what you stipulate is true that Zimmerman "started the fight" and then starts losing, and in a big way. Once he he starts getting his head bashed onto the sidewalk does that not change things? Should he have just let Trayvon do it? At what point does Zimmerman have the right to stop Trayvon? Had the attack continued he could have had reasonably believed that he might lose consciousness, receive brain damage, and feared being killed. I get the picture from a lot of you that there is NO reasonable time to meet Trayvon's escalation in force with any force, he should have taken it because he started the encounter. That's silly, and there are NONE of you that would take your head being bashed into the sidewalk more than once without considering reaching for whatever weapon you had available.

Well when you commit a criminal act that is a violent crime you lose your "right" to self defense. It is no different than if someone robs me and as I defend myself, they kill me; it is not self defense even though I was trying to commit serious harm to them.

Better yet not to do something that gets your in the situation, such as chasing people that have committed no crime

Please stop telling people blatantly false things.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I can provide citations if you would like and you aren't just trolling...

LivefromGA		2012-04-27 09:14:28 PM

Thunderpipes: Mavent: The fact that there were people willing to donate money to this guy tells you all you need to know about what's wrong with America. I'm not saying he's guilty or innocent- that will be for a court to decide. All I'm saying is: people donated to this guy based on nothing more than the fact that he killed a black kid.

People donated money to a guy that is being unfairly persecuted by the media, all liberals, the President, the Justice Department, the Black Panthers, Fark, Al, Jesse, and all black people in the country, with absolutely no evidence to show he did anything wrong.

This is what is RIGHT about America. Some people still believe a person is innocent until proven guilty and that the justice system applies to everyone, unlike you turd faced liberals.

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Fart_Machine		2012-04-27 09:15:42 PM

Harridan: Fart_Machine: Harridan: Actually, it tells ME that a lot of Americans want to make sure this guy gets a fair trial and isn't railroaded and/or bankrupted to satisfy public opinion and lust for revenge.

So sending money to his Paypal account will insure he gets a fair trial?

You really think lawyers are cheap? And good lawyers DON'T affect the outcome of a "fair" trial in 'Murrica?

There's nothing to show the money is going towards his defense. His own legal council dumped him because of his own asshattery.

CliChe Guevara		2012-04-27 09:16:23 PM

pedobearapproved: So even if what you stipulate is true that Zimmerman "started the fight" and then starts losing, and in a big way. Once he he starts getting his head bashed onto the sidewalk does that not change things?

maybe. maybe not.
the difficulty is that any specific definition you choose for arguing application of 'stand your ground' protection to zimmerman may apply even more strongly to martin, and very likely applied first. if martin had that protection, zimmerman didn't. if it comes out that martin was very reasonably in fear for his life, what then? law covered him instead no matter what force he used. sticky problem.

now, you can construct all sorts of complex theoretical situations that could have happened as strawman arguments that would avoid granting martin that right yet apply it to zimmerman. however, that would requires so much speculation that it would only say things about the commenter and not the event, since so little is actually known for sure.

cretinbob		2012-04-27 09:16:48 PM

What someone who has been in a serious fight might look like

YouPeopleAreCrazy		2012-04-27 09:16:59 PM

Thunderpipes: ...with absolutely no evidence to show he did anything wrong.

Except for shooting an unarmed kid.

xcv		2012-04-27 09:18:25 PM

50k? Zimmerman could get a passable fake ID and papers in a Home Depot parking lot for under 500 bucks. If he gets acquitted he'll still be safer in prison thanks to humankind's mob mentality.

Mrtraveler01		2012-04-27 09:19:04 PM

Biscuit Tin: I thought all the comments would relate to the wisdom of choosing Eric Idle as one's attorney. Apparently it's just Snarfangel and me on that train.

Actually he looks like Skip Bayless to me:

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