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(Slate)   Once, we as a society respected great leaders and thinkers like Thomas Edison, Marie Curie, Teddy Roosevelt, and Margaret Thatcher. Now, we glorify Kim Kardashian and Justin Bieber. What happened?   (slate.com) divider line 436
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2012-04-27 01:42:38 PM  

CrispFlows: snocone: Remember kiddies, history is written right or wrong because a library survived.

Yeah - I'm not too happy about the library of Alexandria being burned down in three separate occasions, one of which 'to prevent the enemy getting anything'.

Oh, also f*ck the conquistadors for destroying priceless 'heathen' artifacts and architecture.


Don't forget the catholic church for printing over Archimedes work that would be re-imagined by Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz as calculus almost 2000 years later.

Link
 
2012-04-27 01:42:42 PM  
A year or so ago, my daughter mentioned the Kardashian.

me: "Who?"
her: "Kim and Khloe"
me: "ok...and why are they on TV?"
her: "Because they're famous"
me: "And why are they famous?"
her: "Because they're on TV!"
 
2012-04-27 01:42:47 PM  
MaudlinMutantMollusk:

One word: Idiocracy

Propagated by radio, magazines/tabloids, movies, TV and now the World Wide Web. Like I read somewhere, American culture is pop culture, which is all you're allowed to talk about on the first three dates. Imagine you're sitting in a swanky bistro with a chick you met off OK Cupid (if you're one of the 3 men per month that happens to) and you want to discuss, say, Chinese legalism or the way the Stasi ran interference for the Soviets; how do you think that would affect the odds of a Happy Ending? Heh. You'd do better bringing up how cool it would be if a keg of PBR washed up on Gilligan's Island.

(Most American women's asses can't compare to Kim Kardashian's so it's better not to bring that up either, but for a different reason.)
 
2012-04-27 01:43:48 PM  

SuperTramp: Cult of Personality

/oh yeah


Agreed, we, as a nation are too easily distracted by popular "culture" and the zeitgeist of the floatsam of what passes for news, futhermore, I wanna bang those saxplayers.
 
2012-04-27 01:44:07 PM  

Fissile: StaleCoffee: If you want to be famous fast, be loud and stupid.

If you want to be famous for a long time, make a lasting, major contribution to the world.

If you want to be famous forever, enforce an ideology by killing several million people.

"Bread and circuses" isn't a new concept, though.

=============

There is more to it than that. Both Mao and Stalin piled up the bodies higher than Hitler, but Hitler is the guy everybody knows today. If you want to go by percentages, Pol Pot offed half the population of Cambodia....a world record, but whho knows Pol Pot today?


Every right wing religious zealot that wants to tell me I'm a soulless killer bent on destroying the sun because I don't believe in jesus, for starters.
 
2012-04-27 01:45:00 PM  

StaleCoffee: Every right wing religious zealot that wants to tell me I'm a soulless killer bent on destroying the sun because I don't believe in jesus, for starters.


That's only because we yell "Godwin!" at them every time they mention Hitler.
 
2012-04-27 01:45:03 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
we are talking about everyday life.
 
2012-04-27 01:45:31 PM  
kiwimoogle84:

markie_farkie: "Go away. 'batin'!!!!!" Is what happened.

Idiocracy reference. Done in one.

/electrolytes are what plants crave


Lots of electrolytes in jism, are there?
 
2012-04-27 01:46:07 PM  

Braindeath: Since Nicolas Tesla didn't get showered with whores and cocaine, I'm going to ignore this.

But jesus fark the cover of The Atlantic today said Kayne West was an American Mozart. I would have cried but the Esquire cover was Tony Stark so it made me feel better. [Note: I know it was RDjr but it was totally farking Tony Stark.]


Kayne West is an American Mozart. We've already established that Mozart wrote a song called "Lick me in the ass".
 
2012-04-27 01:46:11 PM  

ph0rk: Only a fool blames the shovel.


Okay, F*ck the Ferdinand II of Aragon, Isabella I of Castile and Pope Sixtus the IV.

Oh wait, they were never in Mexico.

That's why I said F*ck the Conquistidors. They chose the actions, away from the powers that be.
 
2012-04-27 01:46:26 PM  
For one thing, millions of dipshiats with internet connections decided that they were as smart as those over-educated elitist scientist and professorial types. Moreover, while there's always been anti-intellectualism, at least in the US these days one major political party has made it their biggest selling point. Not that any political party can claim sole responsible for the rejection of knowledge.

FlashHarry
it probably has something to do with the advent of television and its "vast wasteland." humans are animals. and just as a dog will eat itself to death if given an unlimited supply of food, so too humans will "amuse themselves to death" if given an unlimited supply of mass entertainment.

Also this. Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death has only proven more true since it was written in 1985.
 
2012-04-27 01:46:28 PM  

ph0rk: StaleCoffee: "Bread and circuses" isn't a new concept, though.

Not new, but relatively obscure.


Otherwise people might look up from the miasma of beer, cheeseburgers, and reality television and see it for what it is.


Hey now. Beer is a cornerstone of civilization.

Cheap beer, however, is a cancerous rot that contributes to the undermining our society.
 
2012-04-27 01:47:08 PM  

ph0rk: StaleCoffee: Every right wing religious zealot that wants to tell me I'm a soulless killer bent on destroying the sun because I don't believe in jesus, for starters.

That's only because we yell "Godwin!" at them every time they mention Hitler.


I want to make a Sith Warrior named Godwin and PVP with him just to see if I auto-win warzones.
 
2012-04-27 01:47:39 PM  

Avery614: CrispFlows: snocone: Remember kiddies, history is written right or wrong because a library survived.

Yeah - I'm not too happy about the library of Alexandria being burned down in three separate occasions, one of which 'to prevent the enemy getting anything'.

Oh, also f*ck the conquistadors for destroying priceless 'heathen' artifacts and architecture.

Don't forget the catholic church for printing over Archimedes work that would be re-imagined by Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz as calculus almost 2000 years later.

Link


Wha-

We're really good at screwing over knowledge, aren't we, eh?
 
2012-04-27 01:48:45 PM  

ph0rk: Only a fool blames the shovel.


In retrospect, I apologize. I forgot about Coronado.

I blame him.
 
2012-04-27 01:49:13 PM  

Fissile: There is more to it than that. Both Mao and Stalin piled up the bodies higher than Hitler, but Hitler is the guy everybody knows today. If you want to go by percentages, Pol Pot offed half the population of Cambodia....a world record, but whho knows Pol Pot today?


if ask people in Asia the Hitler-Pol Pot situation is reversed.
 
2012-04-27 01:49:49 PM  

simrobert2001: What happened is that our society has grown to hate the intelligent, and no longer have any patience for anything. Great thinkers like Thomas Edison and Madame Curie and Teddy Roosevelt speak on equal terms with the educated, and thier plans require time. Now, politicians and the intellecual elite in our society use buzzwords, and are retweeted, reyoutubed, and reshown over and over again. Those buzzwords create the illusion of progress and itelligence. We want it now, but won't listen those who tell us we can't have it "now." As a result, we elect and give money to people who say buzzwords, but get things done half-assed.


Anti-intellectualism is not a new phenomenon, in any way, shape, or form.
 
2012-04-27 01:50:49 PM  

Geotpf: Anti-intellectualism is not a new phenomenon, in any way, shape, or form.


Unfortunately true.
 
2012-04-27 01:51:38 PM  

CrispFlows: ph0rk: Only a fool blames the shovel.

Okay, F*ck the Ferdinand II of Aragon, Isabella I of Castile and Pope Sixtus the IV.

Oh wait, they were never in Mexico.

That's why I said F*ck the Conquistidors. They chose the actions, away from the powers that be.


The Conquistadors were mercenaries pursuing personal profit anyway; not working from a royal commission. Far from being "shovels" doing what they were told, Cortez and his ilk were out for loot, plunder and blood in accordance with the long, proud traditions of Europe's warrior-entrepreneurs.
 
2012-04-27 01:54:12 PM  
here's why:
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-04-27 01:54:23 PM  

Heron: CrispFlows: ph0rk: Only a fool blames the shovel.

Okay, F*ck the Ferdinand II of Aragon, Isabella I of Castile and Pope Sixtus the IV.

Oh wait, they were never in Mexico.

That's why I said F*ck the Conquistidors. They chose the actions, away from the powers that be.

The Conquistadors were mercenaries pursuing personal profit anyway; not working from a royal commission. Far from being "shovels" doing what they were told, Cortez and his ilk were out for loot, plunder and blood in accordance with the long, proud traditions of Europe's warrior-entrepreneurs.


...

I feel like an idiot, I completely forgot about Cortez.
 
2012-04-27 01:54:55 PM  
Doink_Boink
I agree to some extent, however, I think a large part of the issue is that "news" sources have learned that pandering to idiots isn't just easy, but it's profitable. Why spend all that money on hard hitting investigations that report actual news, worrying about ethics and lawsuits and paying for good talent, when they can simply report what Kim said about her latest ex and have 4x as many stay tuned?

Also true. Television news was once provided at a loss by the major networks because it was considered a civic duty. Corporations didn't just go for the biggest profits in that area. Seriously. I know it's very hard to believe nowadays. Now like every other part of their business, they do whatever is most profitable. Close down the overseas offices. Don't bother funding many expensive, investigate pieces. Just spout sound bytes, bring on political shills to bleat the party lines, and "leave it there".
 
2012-04-27 01:55:23 PM  
We also respected Steve Jobs, but maybe that's just because he stole everything like Thomas Edison
 
2012-04-27 01:55:50 PM  

StaleCoffee: ph0rk: StaleCoffee: Every right wing religious zealot that wants to tell me I'm a soulless killer bent on destroying the sun because I don't believe in jesus, for starters.

That's only because we yell "Godwin!" at them every time they mention Hitler.

I want to make a Sith Warrior named Godwin and PVP with him just to see if I auto-win warzones.


Only if you picked the legacy name "Hitler".

CrispFlows: ph0rk: Only a fool blames the shovel.

Okay, F*ck the Ferdinand II of Aragon, Isabella I of Castile and Pope Sixtus the IV.

Oh wait, they were never in Mexico.

That's why I said F*ck the Conquistidors. They chose the actions, away from the powers that be.


There were more proximate religious authorities involved, I believe.

I can't really fault them that much when the dominant source of symbolic knowledge of the day can't even make up its mind if the indigenous peoples are human (have souls) or not.
 
2012-04-27 01:56:10 PM  
home.comcast.net
 
2012-04-27 01:57:40 PM  

bhcompy: We also respected Steve Jobs, but maybe that's just because he stole everything like Thomas Edison


At least Jobs paid people.
 
2012-04-27 01:58:15 PM  
home.frognet.net

Edison wasn't really a hero here. Most of his "inventions" were ripped off from others, then he's pose for pictures looking all exhausted yet satisfied holding the device. The first lightbulb of modern, practical design was patented by Joseph Swan in 1880 and the "Edison Bulb" is essentially that. That guy he actually paid (the exception rather than the rule), but made sure Swan's name was buried so he could take sole credit. As was most of the stuff he had nothing to do with. He was an egomaniac with far more skill building a name-brand of himself than an inventor.

Edison created a lot of problems for Tesla, who actually DID his own inventing. But Tesla... he created his own problems.
 
2012-04-27 01:58:44 PM  
I note that in this piece the author does not name a single scientist.
 
2012-04-27 01:58:50 PM  

dryknife: [home.comcast.net image 640x476]


That's awesome!

I wonder how many writers wrote fantasy fiction like this?

"Out the way swine! Fear his presence, for he writes!"
 
2012-04-27 02:00:03 PM  

CrispFlows: Avery614: CrispFlows: snocone: Remember kiddies, history is written right or wrong because a library survived.

Yeah - I'm not too happy about the library of Alexandria being burned down in three separate occasions, one of which 'to prevent the enemy getting anything'.

Oh, also f*ck the conquistadors for destroying priceless 'heathen' artifacts and architecture.

Don't forget the catholic church for printing over Archimedes work that would be re-imagined by Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz as calculus almost 2000 years later.

Link

Wha-

We're really good at screwing over knowledge, aren't we, eh?


The Archimedes Palimpsest isn't really in the same scale as the intentional, large-scale destruction of knowledge. It was a cost saving procedure, not a malicious act. It's the difference between burning a pile of Vonnegut books and writing a bbq sauce recipe over the cure for cancer because it was written in french and somehow found its way into a diner in west texas. If the contents were known they'd have no doubt been exploited, but as it was they just saw it as shiat to write on.
 
2012-04-27 02:00:21 PM  
WE don't glorify those pissants. The MEDIA glorifies them!

We do not share in the media's fetish for these lowlifes, and the author deserves a cockpunch for insinuating that we do.
 
2012-04-27 02:01:47 PM  

TV's Vinnie: WE don't glorify those pissants. The MEDIA glorifies them!

We do not share in the media's fetish for these lowlifes, and the author deserves a cockpunch for insinuating that we do.


"The Media" isn't sole creator of audience tastes and interests.
 
2012-04-27 02:02:00 PM  
Because pop-celebrities serve up something to be consumed by the masses in small bites $1-$10 (song or album) or 30 minute shows used to advertise to you?

Where's the money to be made from honor, invention, and intelligence? What does that sell?
 
2012-04-27 02:02:08 PM  

CrispFlows: dryknife: [home.comcast.net image 640x476]

That's awesome!

I wonder how many writers wrote fantasy fiction like this?

"Out the way swine! Fear his presence, for he writes!"


Well, considering Stephen King writes himself in his own works, I'd say there's at least one.
 
2012-04-27 02:02:31 PM  

CrispFlows: Wha-

We're really good at screwing over knowledge, aren't we, eh?



It's something I think about often seeing as how technology is quickly approaching the processing power of the human brain. It takes roughly 18 months for processing power to double. How much "lost information" do we already have buried in lines of programing code or in obscure theories or bits of science that have not been looked at in a while. Can we even begin to understand how to harness that processing power properly every 18 months? It might be a poor comparison, but how long did it take us to figure out a common mold could solve much of our health problems long ago? 1928 Fleming discovered penicillin, so basically all of human history up until less than 100 years ago. Something tells me we are "missing" much knowledge that is already here.
 
2012-04-27 02:03:06 PM  
Hollywood.

And we want to give them more power for some reason.
 
2012-04-27 02:03:15 PM  

CrispFlows: Avery614: CrispFlows: snocone: Remember kiddies, history is written right or wrong because a library survived.

Yeah - I'm not too happy about the library of Alexandria being burned down in three separate occasions, one of which 'to prevent the enemy getting anything'.

Oh, also f*ck the conquistadors for destroying priceless 'heathen' artifacts and architecture.

Don't forget the catholic church for printing over Archimedes work that would be re-imagined by Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz as calculus almost 2000 years later.

Link

Wha-

We're really good at screwing over knowledge, aren't we, eh?


One does wonder what knowledge is currently sequestered, THAT CITIZENS FARKIN' PAID FOR.

/no you cannot haz
 
2012-04-27 02:03:50 PM  

ph0rk: bhcompy: We also respected Steve Jobs, but maybe that's just because he stole everything like Thomas Edison

At least Jobs paid people.


Foxconn.
 
2012-04-27 02:04:41 PM  

grinding_journalist: SoCalSurfer: I take the ice pick to your nuts/uterus.

[i830.photobucket.com image 475x316]

Next up: Head in a vise.


CHARLIE M.!
 
2012-04-27 02:05:24 PM  
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

Some guy not complaing that the media was crap a couple centuries ago.
 
2012-04-27 02:05:26 PM  
FTFA: We used to revere scientists. Now we worship Kim Kardashian. Why?

Speak for yourself, jackwagon. There's always a segment of the population fascinated with vapid celebrities. Romance novels, gossip rags, soap operas etc, it's not new.

The difference is the amount of exposure, that's all.

Just don't say "we" do this, because it's not everyone. It's you. Do you know why, Simon?

Because you write for a gossip rag
 
2012-04-27 02:05:30 PM  

gameshowhost: Some assholes started glorifying Ronald Reagan, is what happened.

/yeah i was one of them
//but i was cured by education, years ago
///the remaining assholes have no excuse


I was this close to clicking the "Smart" button, then I remembered that I was NEVER fooled by Ronald Reagan. Of course, having my political education enhanced by by my grandfather's thoughts (he was a cousin of Senator William Fulbright) helped. My grandfather hated only three people ever born. Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and Barbara Walters. So of course, every morning we got up bright and early, so he could watch the Today Show so he could cuss at her, and start the day happy.
 
2012-04-27 02:06:52 PM  
Yeah, because no-one ever wrote about Liz Taylor, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Joan Collins or Jackie Kennedy.

I lived in the 80s and it's simply nostalgia to assume that people revered scientists or technologists back then any more than they do today.
 
2012-04-27 02:07:02 PM  

Sticky Hands: ph0rk: bhcompy: We also respected Steve Jobs, but maybe that's just because he stole everything like Thomas Edison

At least Jobs paid people.

Foxconn.


Forces more or less beyond his control (and that of most any other CEO now). You have to fight more or less that level of dirty to have a prayer of competing in the marketplace, because your competitors will.

Not much market for $14,000 fair trade laptops, is there?
 
2012-04-27 02:07:51 PM  

elffster: What happened? We became the Pakleds.


We look for things that make us high go.
 
2012-04-27 02:07:55 PM  
Since the cowardly Bush post 9/11 culture caught on, all those previous winners would be considered potential terrorists. Some dumbarse creates a 200,000 person boondoggle DoHS but regular working US civilians (those lucky enough to have jobs) are only worthy of having their phones illegally surveilled, emails read, buying habits watched and you'd better have an explanation for why you want to take a picture in front of this or that building. Law enforcement is paid as well as doctors with a better retirement plan these days. I'm not saying they're not important, but you can't make a national economy work by making every role but law enforcement second class. Who designs products, creates critical thinking skills, assembles vehicles or builds the highways? Most every civilian is as important as law enforcement and until we get the priorities right again, we're going to stay in this swamp.

Another way to say this: when I was on active duty, we were taught to be grateful to civilians, not to think we were better than those we were assigned to protect. That would be a great idea to put back into those in charge of security of the country -- "how can we help?", instead of "we don't trust you, how can we bust you".
 
2012-04-27 02:09:49 PM  
Kim: because badonkadonk.

Justin: because people in general are idiots.
 
2012-04-27 02:09:59 PM  
This, from the generation that has also seen Josef Stalin, the Tea Party, Che Guevara t-shirts and Elvis impersonators.
 
2012-04-27 02:10:14 PM  

Biff_Steel: here's why:
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x519]



Sweeeeet Jeeze.
It fills me with self loathing to know that there's a Kardashian attached to the other end of that
 
2012-04-27 02:11:18 PM  

Ishidan: This, from the generation that has also seen Josef Stalin, the Tea Party, Che Guevara t-shirts and Elvis impersonators.


Somehow Elvis impersonators went through the black hole of camp back into cool for a bit there.

It is like the American Kabuki, or something.
 
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