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2012-04-27 07:14:36 PM

Thrag: relcec: so half the idiots in here think all regulations are good

Can you point to a single person who actually believes that? Even the leftiest leftist I've ever met does not believe all regulations are good.


The conservative conceives the world in bizarre, absolutist simplifications. I.e., "government for any purpose other than property protection is utterly evil, as are all who favor it." Being entirely egocentric, he cannot grasp that not everyone thinks the same way he does. He understands that people disagree with them, but cannot fathom that for other people, reality exists in shades of gray. Hence, he projects his own thinking style onto those with whom he disagrees. "Because I believe all government except property protection is evil, my liberal opponent must believe that all government except that for property protection is good."
 
2012-04-27 07:23:24 PM

Citrate1007: How is this different than any other capitalistic society. Those with financial power and those with political power inevitably conspire. We've been doing this in the U.S. for 200 years and it seems to be working out.


Which is exactly why the government should not have the power to regulate business in this way.
 
2012-04-27 07:42:34 PM

Ontos: Citrate1007: How is this different than any other capitalistic society. Those with financial power and those with political power inevitably conspire. We've been doing this in the U.S. for 200 years and it seems to be working out.

Which is exactly why the government should not have the power to regulate business in this way.


Remember when we were told that ending Federal power would make everything better?
 
2012-04-27 07:56:33 PM

Gyrfalcon: Thrag: relcec: so half the idiots in here think all regulations are good

Can you point to a single person who actually believes that? Even the leftiest leftist I've ever met does not believe all regulations are good.

A regulation closing relcec's mouth for good would be GREAT.


Why do you hate free speech and America??
 
2012-04-27 08:09:21 PM

Geotpf: relcec: Geotpf SmartestFunniest 2012-04-27 01:25:26 PM


relcec: so half the idiots in here think all regulations are good, and the other half are brain dead marxists that are trying to convince the world that a structural precept for a working capitalist system is rent seeking. if you give them a few minutes of your time they'll also try to convince you that communism wasn't really ever tried in a few dozen countries and didn't fail spectacularly each and every time. that was just your imagination.

this is one of those subjects where liberal derp outshines the most retarded teabagger in the world in farkland. their brains get caught in a feedback loop when they're made aware of harmful regulations and they are forced to reconcile that knowledge with their subjective belief that every regulation is helpful. they just start spitting out complete bullshiat like *durr, capitalism. Bring on communism* and *durr, do you want child labor? these are necessary regulations to me damit*.

The people who most support these types of regulations are the Republicans who own the current taxi franchises, not liberal Democrats.

very well. I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

Well, I'm speaking generically, of course. Rich local fat cat who owns business x is cozy with (IE, bribes either legally via campaign contrabutions or via out and out bribes) politician y so politician y passes bill z that prevents competitors a, b, and c from competing with him. I see no liberal hippie Democrats here, do you?


well, even the libbiest hippie place on earth practices corporatism and rent seeking.
it is completely nondenominational and has probably been practiced by every government in human existence. it's pointless to try to paint this as a partisan thing.

I wasn't saying democrats were anymore likely to do this than republicans. I was just saying some of the dem posters in this thread have weird ways of trying to justify this behavior, like pretending it is regulation that protects the public, instead of calling it out for what it is. rent seeking.

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Friday October 08, 2010 - 10:23:00 AM
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Tax Breaks for Millionaires in Berkeley at City Council Tonight
By Paul M. Schwartz
Tuesday December 06, 2011 - 09:04:00 AM
Are you fed up with Millionaires not paying their fair share of federal taxes and not paying their fair share of state taxes? If so, would you be interested in knowing the City of Berkeley has an item on their agenda to provide city tax breaks for local well heeled people?
My name is Paul Schwartz. I am a resident and taxpayer in the City of Berkeley. I am also an attorney with my practice in the City of Berkeley. I was appointed in March of this year to the Landmark Preservation Commission. I was quite surprised to discover there is a mechanism that gives very large property tax breaks to owners of landmarked properties for maintenance and upkeep. Most if not all of these property owners do not need these tax breaks to maintain their properties. I find this particularly galling when the City is suffering from a significant deficit and is in need of all the revenue it receives from property taxes.


San Francisco Tech Companies Get a Tax Break
By VERNE G. KOPYTOFF
| May 24, 2011, 9:20 pm
The Board of Supervisors, fearing a loss of jobs, approved a tax holiday that could save Zynga, Yelp and other Internet companies that are headquartered in the city millions of dollars.
Officials are hoping to preserve San Francisco's image as a tech center (though, in reality, most of the tech companies are all south of the city in Silicon Valley) and prevent an embarrassing exodus of start-ups.
Critics call the plan a payoff to already wealthy companies.


Twitter gets 6-year payroll-tax break from San Francisco Board of Supervisors
April 6, 2011 | 10:24 am
Twitter is getting a tax break that the San Francisco Board of Supervisors hopes will keep the social-media company and other growing tech firms in the city for years to come. In an 8-to-3 vote, the supervisors approved an ordinance on Tuesday to give Twitter and others an exemption from having to pay a 1.5% city payroll tax for the next six years, as long as those businesses are located in the city's Central Market Street and Tenderloin areas, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
 
2012-04-27 08:14:21 PM

Thrag: relcec: so half the idiots in here think all regulations are good

Can you point to a single person who actually believes that? Even the leftiest leftist I've ever met does not believe all regulations are good.


can you pull your head out your ass?
then go look up hyperbole?
then read the thread and see if you can spot the several assholes that were saying this regulation (that was designed specifically increase profits and lower competition for some favored businesses - I mean the guy from the city council admitted it) was designed to *level the playing field of the various regulatory schemes* or the other dude warning about the dangers of a unregulated taxi industry?
then go fark yourself.
 
2012-04-27 08:21:40 PM

relcec: Thrag: relcec: so half the idiots in here think all regulations are good

Can you point to a single person who actually believes that? Even the leftiest leftist I've ever met does not believe all regulations are good.

can you pull your head out your ass?
then go look up hyperbole?
then read the thread and see if you can spot the several assholes that were saying this regulation (that was designed specifically increase profits and lower competition for some favored businesses - I mean the guy from the city council admitted it) was designed to *level the playing field of the various regulatory schemes* or the other dude warning about the dangers of a unregulated taxi industry?
then go fark yourself.


Wow, that's a lot of butthurt over someone simply asking you to back up what you say. Do you always tell people who ask you to back up your statements to go fark themselves? I'm sure that attitude will get you far in life.

So I guess the answer is as expected, your assertion was nothing more than a strawman conjured by the delusional mind of a partisan hack.
 
2012-04-27 08:43:13 PM
Pass a law that protects some corporations by forcing their competition to charge 35% more and delay orders by customers? Why would anyone have a problem with that?

It's just a microcosm of what's been going on for a long time, but increasingly so as government gets bigger and more intrusive. Pass a law then exempt certain politically-connected folks and violà, you've just put their competition at a disadvantage or (they hope) out of business entirely. Illinois just jacked up its corporate income tax by 45%, then proceeded to grant breaks to the two financial exchanges and some other large businesses that threatened to leave the state. The less favored businesses get to pay the full rate. Multiply that by eleventy jillion other jurisdictions. Have a look here: rent-seeking.
 
2012-04-27 09:14:30 PM

skullkrusher: Not all that uncommon. In NYC, black cars licensed by the Taxi and Limo Commission are not allowed to accept street hails in Manhattan. It's part of the bone he city throws the yellow cab companies. Luckily, they still do accept street hails but they can be fined for it if caught.


I think they just ruled that livery cabs can pick up street hails in upper Manhattan
 
2012-04-27 11:15:13 PM
In Chicago it;s illegal for cabs to pick up people with out reservations at the airport, only cabs can do this. Protecting the yellow is not new.
 
2012-04-27 11:40:46 PM
Libertarians to the rescue! The Institute for Justice is challenging these taxi protection laws across the nation:

Minneapolis

Denver

And, yes! Even Portland!

The IJ is an amazing organization. They challenge all sorts of anti-capitalism, and anti-free speech laws across the nations.
 
2012-04-28 12:07:32 AM

Catsaregreen: I find it very interesting that many of the articles greenlit/greenlighted for the Fark Politics Tab have appeared much early on the Drudge Report -- including this one.

/just an observation


Well, keep in mind that the Weekly Standard has never turned a profit in the entirety of its existence, even when any jackass with access to a low grade commercial printer was putting out their own magazines. It's nothing more than a giant money sink -- a vehicle for neocon mouthpieces like Bill Cristol. In other words, they have no qualms paying a lot of money to get their ideas out there...
 
2012-04-28 01:11:18 AM

JeffreyScott: Libertarians to the rescue! The Institute for Justice is challenging these taxi protection laws across the nation:

Minneapolis

Denver

And, yes! Even Portland!

The IJ is an amazing organization. They challenge all sorts of anti-capitalism, and anti-free speech laws across the nations.




They're taking up the civil liberties fights that the ACLU ignores.
 
2012-04-28 03:01:52 AM

skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Ah, capitalism regulation at its finest.


Welcome to actually existing capitalism. Atlas Shrugged is fiction.
 
2012-04-28 10:42:04 AM
Looks like another Koch brother backed group. I'm sure they are looking out for the little guy.
 
2012-04-28 12:21:48 PM
Isn't this article sort of one-sided? Taxis are subject to price controls and regulations too.

God forbid that government regulate public transportation.
 
2012-04-28 12:37:37 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: So, large corporations successfully kept out their competition. Why do you hate capitalism?


If this is what you think capitalism is, then you don't Understand it.

This is about as good an example as there is of government cronyism.
 
2012-04-28 02:20:08 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Ah, capitalism at its finest.


This is kind of the opposite of capitalism.

/OTOH, sorry if I missed your sarcasm.
 
2012-04-28 05:45:44 PM

salvador.hardin: You want cheap, affordable, safe cabs available around the clock? You are going to need regulation. Leave it up to competition and you will have dozens of nutjobs operating when its profitable (downtown shuttle, 7-10am, 4-6pm/ airport pickup). That's where the efficient market is. No one is going to pick up drunks at 2am and take them home, no one is going to drive outside the most concentrated population area, no one is going to serve the poor area of town.

You want service outside the most profitable times and clients? You have to force companies to provide these extra services in return for the privilege of taking the profits from the better side of the business. That means making sure no one else comes in and takes fares from the profitable side of the business without sharing the burden of universal service.

When Limo business is slack they try to start serving as taxis during peak taxi times and peak taxi routes. These regulations aim to prevent them from competing for the profit without sharing in the cost.

You don't want free market taxi service.


Thank you for explaining this in a way that makes sense.
 
2012-04-28 06:23:12 PM

Dear Jerk: You know where more limos are needed? Somalia.


Oh my god. This absolutely made my day! Thanks for the laugh.
 
2012-04-28 11:07:45 PM

JeffreyScott: Libertarians to the rescue! The Institute for Justice is challenging these taxi protection laws across the nation:

Minneapolis

Denver

And, yes! Even Portland!

The IJ is an amazing organization. They challenge all sorts of anti-capitalism, and anti-free speech laws across the nations.



Arlington, Va.-Most two-year-olds can't speak, and yet this two-year-old has expanded free speech across the nation, changed the face of the Republican primaries, and dealt a huge blow to those who would use government power to restrict political discourse. Monday, March 26, 2012, marks the second anniversary of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals landmark ruling in SpeechNow.org v. Federal Election Commission, the court decision that officially cleared the way for the creations of so-called "super PACs." As proponents of campaign finance restrictions continue to criticize these groups, the Institute for Justice (IJ) defends SpeechNow.org and super PACs as important expansions of free speech.


Link

Because who doesn't think that super-PACs aren't the best thing in the world!!!!
 
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