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2012-04-27 12:46:15 PM  

skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: Headso: The best way to solve government officials being lobbied and bribed into sweetheart deals is to allow for unlimited money in politics.

I can't tell if you're being serious because this is really no more stupid than the stuff you typically say.

someone is a grumpy munchkin

not in the least. It's Friday and wife and I are dropping skull jr off at the inlaws and are going to our first party in many moons tomorrow. Quite content today actually.


Woohoo party!

t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-04-27 12:46:44 PM  

Citrate1007: How is this different than any other capitalistic society that has ever existed sense the beginning of time. Those with financial power and those with political power inevitably conspire. We've been doing this in the U.S. for 200 years and it seems to be working out.

 
2012-04-27 12:47:02 PM  
Nuclear Monk SmartestFunniest 2012-04-27 12:28:01 PM


I imagine some of it (while mostly lobbying from the Taxis) is based on the level of regulation each service sees. I understand Taxi services to be considerably more regulated that Limo service, so some kind of artificial regulatory barrier needs to be established to keep limos from having a competitive advantage over taxis due to absence of regulated fares. The alternative would be to regulate limo service the same as taxis, but they probably wouldn't want that either.



how hard is it for you to keep you head firmly planted in the ground like that when all the facts that are available are trying to pull your face up out of dirt and force you to take a good look at reality?

the people that created the ordinance at issue said it is designed to increase the profits of a group of politically connected individuals and you come in and tell everyone the 1 hour wait before airport pickups for limos that effectively precludes them from even competing for a large and profitable chunk of business is a rule that was created to balance the regulatory regime that is tilted adversely towards taxis? you just make up stuff about the city needing to balance regulation of taxis and limos out of thin air in order to avoid the incredibly obvious?
you sir, possess legendary powers of self delusion.


"The main thing is that you don't want the Town cars to take all of the best fares, which are to the airport, and not leave any for the taxi industry," he said. "That's why there's a minimum fare and a one-hour wait requirement."
 
2012-04-27 12:47:15 PM  

salvador.hardin: You want cheap, affordable, safe cabs available around the clock? You are going to need regulation. Leave it up to competition and you will have dozens of nutjobs operating when its profitable (downtown shuttle, 7-10am, 4-6pm/ airport pickup). That's where the efficient market is. No one is going to pick up drunks at 2am and take them home, no one is going to drive outside the most concentrated population area, no one is going to serve the poor area of town.

You want service outside the most profitable times and clients? You have to force companies to provide these extra services in return for the privilege of taking the profits from the better side of the business. That means making sure no one else comes in and takes fares from the profitable side of the business without sharing the burden of universal service.

When Limo business is slack they try to start serving as taxis during peak taxi times and peak taxi routes. These regulations aim to prevent them from competing for the profit without sharing in the cost.

You don't want free market taxi service.


You really don't understand how cabs work do you?
 
2012-04-27 12:47:35 PM  

salvador.hardin: You want cheap, affordable, safe cabs available around the clock? You are going to need regulation. Leave it up to competition and you will have dozens of nutjobs operating when its profitable (downtown shuttle, 7-10am, 4-6pm/ airport pickup). That's where the efficient market is. No one is going to pick up drunks at 2am and take them home, no one is going to drive outside the most concentrated population area, no one is going to serve the poor area of town


All bunk.

It'd make the rush hour times more competitive and cheaper and the off-peak times more expensive. That's the way every business in the world runs just fine. The more specialized the service, the more it costs.

The vast majority of patrons would receive better, cheaper service.
 
2012-04-27 12:48:04 PM  

pdee: Citrate1007: How is this different than any other capitalistic society that has ever existed sense the beginning of time. Those with financial power and those with political power inevitably conspire. We've been doing this in the U.S. for 200 years and it seems to be working out.


So you're advocating for a change? You want a revolution of the proletariat? I'm with ya brothah!
 
2012-04-27 12:48:34 PM  

MugzyBrown: That's the way every business in the world runs just fine.


[citation needed]
 
2012-04-27 12:52:01 PM  

BMulligan: FarkedOver: A Dark Evil Omen: Ah, capitalism at its finest.

I'm surprised no one has come in to defend capitalism and say b b but crony capitalism, as if they are separate things. Ahhh crony capitalism a new buzzword for the masses to slurp up! YUM!

"Crony capitalism" is redundant - capitalism is fundamentally all about cronyism. "Capitalism" is most accurately defined as "an economic system in which artificial market failures are induced in order to assure the primacy of capital over labor, for the purpose of allowing a small number of economic actors to exploit said market failures for profit, and characterized by legal mechanisms through which profits are privatized and losses are socialized." Capitalism has fark-all to do with unfettered markets.


You sir have one FARKED UP dictionary.

That or your too stupid to count to potato.
 
2012-04-27 12:52:26 PM  

lennavan: youfoundthekingbaby: lobbying != bribery

LOL!

Hehe I know. The best part is he's serious too.

I'm confident Webster would agree with me.

I'm confident you would agree with us.

youfoundthekingbaby: reality may be a different subject entirely

See, I knew it!



yep, you got me.
 
2012-04-27 12:54:33 PM  
EWreckedSean SmartestFunniest 2012-04-27 12:47:15 PM

You really don't understand how cabs work do you?


every regulation on earth is necessary and benefits the proletariat immensely!!!
wtf is wrong with you that you can't get this obvious truth through your thick capitalist dog skull???
 
2012-04-27 12:56:05 PM  

salvador.hardin: No one is going to pick up drunks at 2am and take them home, no one is going to drive outside the most concentrated population area, no one is going to serve the poor area of town.


Money's money. Rates don't go down because you're serving a poor area, and you won't waste too much time if you have a decent dispatch system. On top of that, I'd wager that drunks at 2am are probably bigger tippers than most people.

The only regulation we need for taxis etc is the same regulation we have for all other drivers, a license, insurance and a car that's safe.
 
2012-04-27 12:56:31 PM  

colon_pow: meat0918: HempHead: meat0918: colon_pow: is portland city council liberal or conservative? i need to know so i can muster up the proper amount of outrage.


Portland, OREGON is the liberal hell on earth where stripping is considered a protected expression of speech under the 1st Amendment. The bars are full nudity to

Also, Portland is as close to Beer Heaven as you can get. So many breweries. So little time.

But yeah, it's bad stay out. It rains a lot too. And the bicyclists will kill you if the rain doesn't

All bars???

The strip ones, if I was told correctly.

i'm going there.

face first.


You're clearly thinking of the strip clubs on TV and in movies. In the blacklight of reality, you may want to rethink your approach position and vector.
 
2012-04-27 12:57:28 PM  

EWreckedSean: skullkrusher: Headso: skullkrusher: Headso: The best way to solve government officials being lobbied and bribed into sweetheart deals is to allow for unlimited money in politics.

I can't tell if you're being serious because this is really no more stupid than the stuff you typically say.

someone is a grumpy munchkin

not in the least. It's Friday and wife and I are dropping skull jr off at the inlaws and are going to our first party in many moons tomorrow. Quite content today actually.

Woohoo party!

[t3.gstatic.com image 402x502]


how'd you find our picture?
 
2012-04-27 12:58:02 PM  

pdee: That or your too stupid to count to potato.


Wow, pdee, very nice. Good job. You sure look SMRT. I want this sentence bronzed and mounted in the town square for all to see.
 
2012-04-27 12:59:55 PM  
skullkrusher

MisterRonbo: ZOMG, you mean a market requires some kind of regulation in order to make it a viable business? The libertarians must be apoplectic. What next, utility monopolies?

huh? No, that's not the point at all. The market is actually damaged by this regulation.


As I said (and you edited out) I'm not sure if this particular regulation is a good one or not (though I suspect it is). My point, which you apparently missed, is that *some* markets require regulations, such as barriers to entry, to be viable.

If you have no regulation of taxis, then nobody could make a living at it, customers would be subject to a whole bunch of shady practices, etc. That's why that market is highly regulated in every US urban market.

What some people fail to grasp is that to make taxi markets viable, you need to limit the number of cabs, You may also need to protect their bread and butter - airport runs. To do that, you need to freeze out car services from competing on equal terms. In the larger picture, this does help consumers, because otherwise the taxi cab market is not viable.

Which is why libertarians are fools. Not all markets are the same, as with my utilities example. Some requires barriers to entry to be viable. I'm repeating the point because it seems to go over your head.
 
2012-04-27 01:00:25 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: meanmutton: Umm... I'm not sure what your point is, but this is just a nice, clear-cut example of the harm that government interference in the free market can cause to consumers.

More like a nice, clear-cut example of the harm that business interference in the government can cause to consumers.

Unless you think somehow the government was doing this on their own, and wasn't lobbied to hell and back by taxi companies.


So your solution to abuse of government power is to increase government power? If the government couldn't create bullshiat regulations like this, would there even be lobbyists?
 
2012-04-27 01:01:32 PM  

MyRandomName: So your solution to abuse of government power is to increase government power? If the government couldn't create bullshiat regulations like this, would there even be lobbyists?


So your solution to capitalist abuse of government power is to move all of that power directly into the hands of the capitalist interests?
 
2012-04-27 01:02:16 PM  
The majority of local governments have stupid rules like this. Yet the Republicans always biatch about the Federal government and not their stupid local monopolies.
 
2012-04-27 01:05:24 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: pdee: That or your too stupid to count to potato.

Wow, pdee, very nice. Good job. You sure look SMRT. I want this sentence bronzed and mounted in the town square for all to see.


Yes in fact the truth does have a shine all it's own.
 
2012-04-27 01:06:01 PM  
so half the idiots in here think all regulations are good, and the other half are brain dead marxists that are trying to convince the world that a structural precept for a working capitalist system is rent seeking. if you give them a few minutes of your time they'll also try to convince you that communism wasn't really ever tried in a few dozen countries and didn't fail spectacularly each and every time. that was just your imagination.

this is one of those subjects where liberal derp outshines the most retarded teabagger in the world in farkland. their brains get caught in a feedback loop when they're made aware of harmful regulations and they are forced to reconcile that knowledge with their subjective belief that every regulation is helpful. they just start spitting out complete bullshiat like *durr, capitalism. Bring on communism* and *durr, do you want child labor? these are necessary regulations to me damit*.
 
2012-04-27 01:06:11 PM  

pdee: A Dark Evil Omen: pdee: That or your too stupid to count to potato.

Wow, pdee, very nice. Good job. You sure look SMRT. I want this sentence bronzed and mounted in the town square for all to see.

Yes in fact the truth does have a shine all it's own.


The truth being that you're wrong and barely literate on top of it?
 
2012-04-27 01:06:30 PM  

MisterRonbo: skullkrusher

MisterRonbo: ZOMG, you mean a market requires some kind of regulation in order to make it a viable business? The libertarians must be apoplectic. What next, utility monopolies?

huh? No, that's not the point at all. The market is actually damaged by this regulation.


As I said (and you edited out) I'm not sure if this particular regulation is a good one or not (though I suspect it is). My point, which you apparently missed, is that *some* markets require regulations, such as barriers to entry, to be viable.

If you have no regulation of taxis, then nobody could make a living at it, customers would be subject to a whole bunch of shady practices, etc. That's why that market is highly regulated in every US urban market.

What some people fail to grasp is that to make taxi markets viable, you need to limit the number of cabs, You may also need to protect their bread and butter - airport runs. To do that, you need to freeze out car services from competing on equal terms. In the larger picture, this does help consumers, because otherwise the taxi cab market is not viable.

Which is why libertarians are fools. Not all markets are the same, as with my utilities example. Some requires barriers to entry to be viable. I'm repeating the point because it seems to go over your head.


I didn't include the rest because your first sentence misses the point. This regulation is bad for the market for taxis. It artificially creates a 2 tiered system that reduces quality. This is an example of a bad regulation. This is not an example of a market requiring "some kind of regulation in order to make it a viable business as you so stupidly trumpeted.

You don't need to freeze out some car services from competing on equal terms - you could just limit the number of hack licenses. This artificial distinction is pretty clearly a bone for the large taxi services at the expense of the independent, but also licensed, operators.

Utilities are a fine example of where a highly regulated monopoly power is often the best. Taxis are not.
 
2012-04-27 01:08:51 PM  

relcec: so half the idiots in here think all regulations are good, and the other half are brain dead marxists that are trying to convince the world that a structural precept for a working capitalist system is rent seeking. if you give them a few minutes of your time they'll also try to convince you that communism wasn't really ever tried in a few dozen countries and didn't fail spectacularly each and every time. that was just your imagination.

this is one of those subjects where liberal derp outshines the most retarded teabagger in the world in farkland. their brains get caught in a feedback loop when they're made aware of harmful regulations and they are forced to reconcile that knowledge with their subjective belief that every regulation is helpful. they just start spitting out complete bullshiat like *durr, capitalism. Bring on communism* and *durr, do you want child labor? these are necessary regulations to me damit*.


You think this two tiered system of taxis is a bad regulation? Why do you want thalidomide flipper babies driving unsafe rickshaws through the potholed dirt roads of United Somalia of America? welcome to the glorious false dichotomy that is Fark.
 
2012-04-27 01:13:43 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: pdee: A Dark Evil Omen: pdee: That or your too stupid to count to potato.

Wow, pdee, very nice. Good job. You sure look SMRT. I want this sentence bronzed and mounted in the town square for all to see.

Yes in fact the truth does have a shine all it's own.

The truth being that you're wrong and barely literate on top of it?


Are you insinuating there is something wrong with my grammar or is that simple sentence to complex for you to comprehend?

"Capitalism" is most accurately defined as "an economic system in which artificial market failures are induced in order to assure the primacy of capital over labor, for the purpose of allowing a small number of economic actors to exploit said market failures for profit, and characterized by legal mechanisms through which profits are privatized and losses are socialized." Capitalism has fark-all to do with unfettered markets.

Perhaps you would like to defend the "definition" I was referring to?
 
2012-04-27 01:15:32 PM  
skullcrusher
You think this two tiered system of taxis is a bad regulation? Why do you want thalidomide flipper babies driving unsafe rickshaws through the potholed dirt roads of United Somalia of America? welcome to the glorious false dichotomy that is Fark.



s4.hubimg.com
 
2012-04-27 01:16:03 PM  

pdee: A Dark Evil Omen: pdee: A Dark Evil Omen: pdee: That or your too stupid to count to potato.

Wow, pdee, very nice. Good job. You sure look SMRT. I want this sentence bronzed and mounted in the town square for all to see.

Yes in fact the truth does have a shine all it's own.

The truth being that you're wrong and barely literate on top of it?

Are you insinuating there is something wrong with my grammar or is that simple sentence to complex for you to comprehend?

"Capitalism" is most accurately defined as "an economic system in which artificial market failures are induced in order to assure the primacy of capital over labor, for the purpose of allowing a small number of economic actors to exploit said market failures for profit, and characterized by legal mechanisms through which profits are privatized and losses are socialized." Capitalism has fark-all to do with unfettered markets.

Perhaps you would like to defend the "definition" I was referring to?


Sure. It's accurate. Capitalism and government have always been intertwined. Capitalists have always driven artificial market failures for the purpose of private profit. Corporations have always been efficient machines for externalizing risk; it is, in fact, their only real function. It's not a dictionary definition but it is 100% accurate.
 
2012-04-27 01:18:37 PM  

Geotpf: The majority of local governments have stupid rules like this. Yet the Republicans always biatch about the Federal government and not their stupid local monopolies.


Pretty much all annoyance I have from government is local. Often smaller towns have councils filled with petty douchebags.
 
2012-04-27 01:20:51 PM  
So for the deregulation fans, how would you feel about:

A cab company keeps track of the fare and tip on each call for a cab. Grandma takes a cab to the grocery store once a week, the cab company decides it isn't worth the $4 trip, and blackballs her address in their database.

All the cab companies in town decides that there isn't enough business from 1 pm to four pm on days when it doesn't rain to make it worth operating, so you can't get a cab in that time period.

There are so many cabs in a deregulated market, that the job of cab driver pays virtually nothing. So the drivers are either drug dealers using a cab to work out of (more common than you might think), or people with pretty much no English and no knowledge of the streets/geography. The customer experience is, as you might imagine, terrible.

Cabbies decide most old people are taking short rides and are lousy tippers, so they decide they won't pick them up. (or substitute, black people, handicapped, whatever).

A poor neighborhood is blackballed by all of the cab companies in town.

The cab companies collude and decide to charge $10 for a flag drop, since they decide the decrease in number of fares will be more than offset by the extra income per fare.
 
2012-04-27 01:21:54 PM  

MisterRonbo: So for the deregulation fans, how would you feel about:


Nothing like that would ever happen! Good Party members capitalists would never behave in such a fashion.
 
2012-04-27 01:23:45 PM  

MisterRonbo: So for the deregulation fans, how would you feel about:

A cab company keeps track of the fare and tip on each call for a cab. Grandma takes a cab to the grocery store once a week, the cab company decides it isn't worth the $4 trip, and blackballs her address in their database.

All the cab companies in town decides that there isn't enough business from 1 pm to four pm on days when it doesn't rain to make it worth operating, so you can't get a cab in that time period.

There are so many cabs in a deregulated market, that the job of cab driver pays virtually nothing. So the drivers are either drug dealers using a cab to work out of (more common than you might think), or people with pretty much no English and no knowledge of the streets/geography. The customer experience is, as you might imagine, terrible.

Cabbies decide most old people are taking short rides and are lousy tippers, so they decide they won't pick them up. (or substitute, black people, handicapped, whatever).

A poor neighborhood is blackballed by all of the cab companies in town.

The cab companies collude and decide to charge $10 for a flag drop, since they decide the decrease in number of fares will be more than offset by the extra income per fare.


I don't understand why the only two choices are regulate the fark out of everything or regulate nothing. Can't we keep good regulations and get rid of bad ones?
 
2012-04-27 01:24:00 PM  

skullkrusher: Why do you want thalidomide flipper babies driving unsafe rickshaws through the potholed dirt roads of United Somalia of America?



The lulz?
 
2012-04-27 01:25:04 PM  

lennavan: I don't understand why the only two choices are regulate the fark out of everything or regulate nothing. Can't we keep good regulations and get rid of bad ones?


That doesn't fit with the spirit of true Capitalism. Such a thing is counter-revolutionary, comrade.
 
2012-04-27 01:25:26 PM  

relcec: so half the idiots in here think all regulations are good, and the other half are brain dead marxists that are trying to convince the world that a structural precept for a working capitalist system is rent seeking. if you give them a few minutes of your time they'll also try to convince you that communism wasn't really ever tried in a few dozen countries and didn't fail spectacularly each and every time. that was just your imagination.

this is one of those subjects where liberal derp outshines the most retarded teabagger in the world in farkland. their brains get caught in a feedback loop when they're made aware of harmful regulations and they are forced to reconcile that knowledge with their subjective belief that every regulation is helpful. they just start spitting out complete bullshiat like *durr, capitalism. Bring on communism* and *durr, do you want child labor? these are necessary regulations to me damit*.


The people who most support these types of regulations are the Republicans who own the current taxi franchises, not liberal Democrats.
 
2012-04-27 01:26:09 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: youfoundthekingbaby: there are many thousands of similar laws all across the country that are designed to protect incumbent businesses.

every one should be repealed.

This is really where "job-killing regulations come from."

Not Obama.


Your assertion has long been true. I largely gave up on attending local government meetings, for the city for instance, long ago because I go tired of hearing local would-be Stalinists make the following requests:
forcibly drive the local strip club/s out of business
forcibly close local bars
get rid of local liquor stores
implement racial profiling to seek illegal immigrants (No kidding, a lady actually stood up and suggested this out loud, in public.)
Create and enforce tougher "Quality of Life" codes. Quality of Life Codes being an attempt to turn an entire city into a Homeowners' Association after residents have invested money in a home in that neighborhood.
 
2012-04-27 01:26:43 PM  

youfoundthekingbaby: lobbying != bribery


One is legal and the other is not.

They are both, however, providing a government agent with something desirable in order to sway their actions. It's the same relationship, and the same transaction.
 
2012-04-27 01:27:28 PM  

MisterRonbo: So for the deregulation fans, how would you feel about:

A cab company keeps track of the fare and tip on each call for a cab. Grandma takes a cab to the grocery store once a week, the cab company decides it isn't worth the $4 trip, and blackballs her address in their database.

All the cab companies in town decides that there isn't enough business from 1 pm to four pm on days when it doesn't rain to make it worth operating, so you can't get a cab in that time period.

There are so many cabs in a deregulated market, that the job of cab driver pays virtually nothing. So the drivers are either drug dealers using a cab to work out of (more common than you might think), or people with pretty much no English and no knowledge of the streets/geography. The customer experience is, as you might imagine, terrible.

Cabbies decide most old people are taking short rides and are lousy tippers, so they decide they won't pick them up. (or substitute, black people, handicapped, whatever).

A poor neighborhood is blackballed by all of the cab companies in town.

The cab companies collude and decide to charge $10 for a flag drop, since they decide the decrease in number of fares will be more than offset by the extra income per fare.


Um, welcome to capitalism, enjoy your stay. Millions of companies, small and large, are forced out of business because somebody else does what they do better or cheaper. That's the entire farking point of a capitalistic economy.
 
2012-04-27 01:28:33 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: pdee: A Dark Evil Omen: pdee: A Dark Evil Omen: pdee: That or your too stupid to count to potato.

Wow, pdee, very nice. Good job. You sure look SMRT. I want this sentence bronzed and mounted in the town square for all to see.

Yes in fact the truth does have a shine all it's own.

The truth being that you're wrong and barely literate on top of it?

Are you insinuating there is something wrong with my grammar or is that simple sentence to complex for you to comprehend?

"Capitalism" is most accurately defined as "an economic system in which artificial market failures are induced in order to assure the primacy of capital over labor, for the purpose of allowing a small number of economic actors to exploit said market failures for profit, and characterized by legal mechanisms through which profits are privatized and losses are socialized." Capitalism has fark-all to do with unfettered markets.

Perhaps you would like to defend the "definition" I was referring to?

Sure. It's accurate. Capitalism and government have always been intertwined. Capitalists have always driven artificial market failures for the purpose of private profit. Corporations have always been efficient machines for externalizing risk; it is, in fact, their only real function. It's not a dictionary definition but it is 100% accurate.


Your incredible level of confusion has really made me feel sorry for you. So ill try to help you out with some examples:

This kid next door says he will mow my lawn for $5. I agree. He mows my lawn. I give him 5$. He is happy. I'm happy. That is capitalism.

Someone bribes/lobbies/contributes to the reelection campaign fund of government officials to pass a law to prohibit the kid next door from mowing my lawn so that only the briber/lobbier/contributor can mow lawns and charges $50 for said mowing service. This is not capitalism.

Can you not see the difference?
 
2012-04-27 01:28:46 PM  
Geotpf SmartestFunniest 2012-04-27 01:25:26 PM


relcec: so half the idiots in here think all regulations are good, and the other half are brain dead marxists that are trying to convince the world that a structural precept for a working capitalist system is rent seeking. if you give them a few minutes of your time they'll also try to convince you that communism wasn't really ever tried in a few dozen countries and didn't fail spectacularly each and every time. that was just your imagination.

this is one of those subjects where liberal derp outshines the most retarded teabagger in the world in farkland. their brains get caught in a feedback loop when they're made aware of harmful regulations and they are forced to reconcile that knowledge with their subjective belief that every regulation is helpful. they just start spitting out complete bullshiat like *durr, capitalism. Bring on communism* and *durr, do you want child labor? these are necessary regulations to me damit*.

The people who most support these types of regulations are the Republicans who own the current taxi franchises, not liberal Democrats.


very well. I guess I'll have to take your word for it.
 
2012-04-27 01:32:22 PM  

pdee: Your incredible level of confusion has really made me feel sorry for you. So ill try to help you out with some examples:

This kid next door says he will mow my lawn for $5. I agree. He mows my lawn. I give him 5$. He is happy. I'm happy. That is capitalism.

Someone bribes/lobbies/contributes to the reelection campaign fund of government officials to pass a law to prohibit the kid next door from mowing my lawn so that only the briber/lobbier/contributor can mow lawns and charges $50 for said mowing service. This is not capitalism.

Can you not see the difference?


If you were not completely backward there would not be two centuries of anti-capitalist movements. Whether you like it or not, the latter is capitalism, always has been, always will be.
 
2012-04-27 01:36:18 PM  

youfoundthekingbaby: hillbillypharmacist: youfoundthekingbaby: Private business cannot compel the government to make laws to favor it, if the government does that, its the governments fault, not the business.

Pish posh. When I try to hand an officer a $50 to get out of a ticket, I'm not compelling him, either. That still doesn't mean I'm not doing something very wrong.

lobbying != bribery


Far too often, it does.
 
2012-04-27 01:40:39 PM  

relcec: Geotpf SmartestFunniest 2012-04-27 01:25:26 PM


relcec: so half the idiots in here think all regulations are good, and the other half are brain dead marxists that are trying to convince the world that a structural precept for a working capitalist system is rent seeking. if you give them a few minutes of your time they'll also try to convince you that communism wasn't really ever tried in a few dozen countries and didn't fail spectacularly each and every time. that was just your imagination.

this is one of those subjects where liberal derp outshines the most retarded teabagger in the world in farkland. their brains get caught in a feedback loop when they're made aware of harmful regulations and they are forced to reconcile that knowledge with their subjective belief that every regulation is helpful. they just start spitting out complete bullshiat like *durr, capitalism. Bring on communism* and *durr, do you want child labor? these are necessary regulations to me damit*.

The people who most support these types of regulations are the Republicans who own the current taxi franchises, not liberal Democrats.

very well. I guess I'll have to take your word for it.


Well, I'm speaking generically, of course. Rich local fat cat who owns business x is cozy with (IE, bribes either legally via campaign contrabutions or via out and out bribes) politician y so politician y passes bill z that prevents competitors a, b, and c from competing with him. I see no liberal hippie Democrats here, do you?
 
2012-04-27 01:41:21 PM  

KWess: Taxi and limo licences are very territorial, very specific, and very expensive.

Taxi companies (or drivers) and limo companies pay the local governments enormous fees for these licences.

So likely there are prohibitions for local cab companies to do pickups at the airport - which is common, the limo/airport cab companies have paid the concession for that, but in return local cab companies are generally prohibited from airport pickups. The quid pro quo is that in return for the fairly lucrative airport run, the limo companies give up the right to downtown point-to-point pickups (or in this case must charge higher fees).

Don't think that's fair? Head out to the airport/stadium/street corner and start selling snacks out of a cooler. See what happens.

It's all about the licensing fees. The market may be free, but operating within it certainly isn't.


Good point: I would like to see an article from another viewpoint to have access to relevant information that was not included in this article; determine where there is disagreement and where there is overlap between these articles. That might be interesting.
 
2012-04-27 01:42:28 PM  

Lunaville: youfoundthekingbaby: hillbillypharmacist: youfoundthekingbaby: Private business cannot compel the government to make laws to favor it, if the government does that, its the governments fault, not the business.

Pish posh. When I try to hand an officer a $50 to get out of a ticket, I'm not compelling him, either. That still doesn't mean I'm not doing something very wrong.

lobbying != bribery

Far too often, it does.


No way, they're not similar at all.

Under one, you spend money to influence someone else's actions.
Under the other, you spend money to influence someone else's actions.

See? Totally dissimilar.
 
2012-04-27 01:42:59 PM  
So black cars can't pick up yellow people.

Is is opposite day or something???


Mr cab driver

"Mr cab driver, fark You, I'm a survivor...."
 
2012-04-27 01:43:45 PM  

pdee: Someone bribes/lobbies/contributes to the reelection campaign fund of government officials to pass a law to prohibit the kid next door from mowing my lawn so that only the briber/lobbier/contributor can mow lawns and charges $50 for said mowing service. This is not capitalism.


If it is legal lobbying politicians is part of the competition that occurs in a free market system. What else would it be?
 
2012-04-27 01:46:34 PM  
Hmm... Rather than competing on the basis of superior service or a novel product, they use the force of law to restrict competition. There's a name for that.

Link
 
2012-04-27 01:46:38 PM  

Karac: Glicky: I was tripping balls with some girl and we were coming out of a Butthole Surfers show when we were asked by a black car if we wanted a ride. Six bucks to get us home from Civic Center.

I love illegal livery services. And the old guys at the supermarket who would drive us and our groceries home for five dollars.

/CSB

The base at Twentynine Palms had an 'illegal' taxi service. Regular taxis could only pick people up at one spot a mile and a half from the nearest barracks, and would drive you wherever you wanted out in town for five dollars a head. However, the pizza guys would drive right up to the barracks without you even having to call them, and fill up their car for five dollars. You'd only get dropped off at his resteraunt, but the non-meth shack part of town wasn't that big anyway.


Ya'll didn't have some kind of security?

For some reason, I find this story amusing - maybe because I picture the pizza delivery guys and the guys they are picking up as being about the same age: 17 - 23 years old. I have this image in my head of Wayne and Garth in the Mirth mobile with 3 young soldiers crammed in the back.
 
2012-04-27 01:47:04 PM  

skullkrusher: A Dark Evil Omen: Ah, capitalism regulation at its finest.


Because all regulations are like these particular regulations, like the ones the require professionals be certified and licensed if a person is putting his/her life into the professional's hands.
 
2012-04-27 01:47:14 PM  
Geotpf

Um, welcome to capitalism, enjoy your stay. Millions of companies, small and large, are forced out of business because somebody else does what they do better or cheaper. That's the entire farking point of a capitalistic economy.


Awww, you're so naive, its kind of sweet, in the same way that my friend's developmentally disabled sister is adorable.

Unregulated, many companies that are doing something better and/or cheaper will be forced out of business.

Let's say a city has only one large cab company. They charge high fares. Any time anybody starts up a competing service, the big company temporarily drops their fares to zero - free cab rides! Until the upstart gives up and withdraws, then the fares get jacked back up again. Very soon, it is obvious that nobody should even bother trying to enter the market.

(This, by the way, is the basis for anti-dumping rules enforced by the WTO)

So the large company that is serving the market poorly can't be driven out of business. Now if you regulate cab fares, so everyone is charging the same amount, you break that monopoly.

Unregulated markets are not always efficient markets. Sometimes (and again, I don't know if it is definitely true with this particular regulation) you need to pass a regulation that on the face of it hurts consumers - like, say, setting a minimum price for a service - in order to make the market viable.
 
2012-04-27 01:51:55 PM  

colon_pow: meat0918: HempHead: meat0918: colon_pow: is portland city council liberal or conservative? i need to know so i can muster up the proper amount of outrage.


Portland, OREGON is the liberal hell on earth where stripping is considered a protected expression of speech under the 1st Amendment. The bars are full nudity to

Also, Portland is as close to Beer Heaven as you can get. So many breweries. So little time.

But yeah, it's bad stay out. It rains a lot too. And the bicyclists will kill you if the rain doesn't

All bars???

The strip ones, if I was told correctly.

i'm going there.

face first.


Beware, I hear rumor of a vegan lesbian strip club somewhere in Portland. Stay alert.
 
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