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(Slate)   Back in the day, a stoned projectionist could allow a film to get jammed and melt in front of the bulb. Nowadays, he can accidentally delete an entire film, even if it's at a vital press screening of "The Avengers"   (slate.com ) divider line
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2012-04-27 09:04:52 AM  
"It's click to delete from the server and an 'Are you sure?' confirmation," he explained over email. "Of course, as with most computers it's not really gone ... but probably only a real computer geek could get into the system to 'undelete.'"

Yeah, the Recycle Bin is mind-bogglingly complicated to use unless you're a fully trained and certified Microsoft engineer.

The same goes for shutting down your computer and making a desktop short cut.
 
2012-04-27 09:56:24 AM  

BurnShrike: Yeah, the Recycle Bin is mind-bogglingly complicated to use unless you're a fully trained and certified Microsoft engineer.


LOL

The lack of real computer geeks-or serious techies of any kind-behind digital projectors was one of Ebert's plaints when he wrote about the visual pitfalls of digital projection last year.

I'm just an animator, not a projectionist so I don't know much about actually projecting the stuff but it would seem that there should be a batch of commands that's somewhat standard and uniform for each theater with movies in the same format. I don't know why it would be that hard.
 
2012-04-27 10:13:55 AM  
While we're at it, can we delete all the Twilight movies?
 
2012-04-27 11:04:46 AM  

Mugato: I'm just an animator, not a projectionist so I don't know much about actually projecting the stuff but it would seem that there should be a batch of commands that's somewhat standard and uniform for each theater with movies in the same format. I don't know why it would be that hard.


I just had a tour of the new digital stuff at the theater I like to go to. It's all scheduled from a single windows terminal that is starting and stopping a bunch of direct-from-hard-drive hardware. The software had the Regal Cinemas logo on it, so it may be different from chain to chain, but that's generally it.

The pixel dimensions on the film were surprising, though it was a weird number. It was like 1080x833 or something like that - nowhere near as good as a fairly standard computer monitor.
 
2012-04-27 12:15:00 PM  

Mugato: I'm just an animator, not a projectionist so I don't know much about actually projecting the stuff but it would seem that there should be a batch of commands that's somewhat standard and uniform for each theater with movies in the same format. I don't know why it would be that hard.


This should help explain it...

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-04-27 12:45:11 PM  
I doubt screening The Avengers for the press is really all that critical. Its audience is already self-selected and can't wait to spend money on tickets.
 
2012-04-27 12:52:06 PM  
Found it!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-04-27 12:52:13 PM  

SurfaceTension: Mugato: I'm just an animator, not a projectionist so I don't know much about actually projecting the stuff but it would seem that there should be a batch of commands that's somewhat standard and uniform for each theater with movies in the same format. I don't know why it would be that hard.

This should help explain it...

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x283]


Should be 29 standards in the third panel. The 14 old standards, the 9 new official standards (because no one would agree on anything), and six new formats from new companies.
 
2012-04-27 12:55:08 PM  
Who's the jackass at pixar that let backups fail for a month?

Slap that guy in the face
 
2012-04-27 12:58:47 PM  
143 mins of downloading? That's gotta be longer than the movie itself.
 
2012-04-27 01:04:10 PM  
*snerk* Sure it got deleted, the reason why it couldn't get recovered from the trash bin or whatever was cause said 'projectionist' cut and paste it to a thumbdrive and walked off with it.
 
2012-04-27 01:04:24 PM  
I was a projectionist back in the late 80's, Fresh out of high school. That was one of the best jobs I ever had. The worst part was building the prints but the best part was screening the prints before anyone else got to see them. Invite a few friends over or invite one of the consession stand girls to stay late and watch movies all night. It was great! If only it had paid more I might still be doing that. Good times!
 
2012-04-27 01:06:26 PM  

BurnShrike: "It's click to delete from the server and an 'Are you sure?' confirmation," he explained over email. "Of course, as with most computers it's not really gone ... but probably only a real computer geek could get into the system to 'undelete.'"

Yeah, the Recycle Bin is mind-bogglingly complicated to use unless you're a fully trained and certified Microsoft engineer.

The same goes for shutting down your computer and making a desktop short cut.


While that is funny, there's nothing to suggest that the DCPS was Windows based.
 
2012-04-27 01:11:06 PM  

SultanofSchwing: While that is funny, there's nothing to suggest that the DCPS was Windows based.


This.

Or perhaps the files are in network storage so that when deleted they don't go to the workstation's recycle bin.
 
2012-04-27 01:14:49 PM  
I wonder if Piriform's Recuva could dig out that file?

/not shilling for Piriform, but found Recuva amazingly handy lately. it found files on a SD card I thought were gone forever.
 
2012-04-27 01:18:08 PM  

ColSanders: SultanofSchwing: While that is funny, there's nothing to suggest that the DCPS was Windows based.

This.

Or perhaps the files are in network storage so that when deleted they don't go to the workstation's recycle bin.


Yeah there's usually a centralized server which is not much more than a glorified NAS, maybe with a basic GUI. Usually *nix based. Not that there isn't Windows based DCPS out there, but most "large" digital facilities have a custom system from Kodak, Sony or some other large manufacturer.
 
2012-04-27 01:18:35 PM  
CSB time.

I used to be a projectionist when film was actually used. The theatre I worked at had a three platter system, which had the films Beauty and the Beast (shown during the day) and Basic Instinct (showed at night). Well I came to work hungover one day and misread the labels, and consequently exposed a number of families to the infamous scene where a naked woman gets all stabby.

How I didn't get fired is a miracle.
 
2012-04-27 01:20:40 PM  

stupiddream: I was a projectionist back in the late 80's, Fresh out of high school. That was one of the best jobs I ever had. The worst part was building the prints but the best part was screening the prints before anyone else got to see them. Invite a few friends over or invite one of the consession stand girls to stay late and watch movies all night. It was great! If only it had paid more I might still be doing that. Good times!


Same here. Oh yes, the concession stand girls. It was nice having the only key to the projection booth.
 
2012-04-27 01:29:15 PM  
His main concern: Many people employed as digital projectionists lack the skill and training to switch out 3D lenses when projecting 2D films, an oversight that results in dim projections. Whereas film projectionists are skilled workers-and used to be compensated accordingly-digital projection requires the bare minimum of menial tasks, and movie theaters may be tempted to hire (and pay) their new projectionists with that in mind.

The main problem there is 3D, which I would gladly see die.

Personally, I'm all for digital for one simple reason - you'll see more variety of films. The 70th anniversary showing of Casablanca and reruns of The Bodyguard were done as a digital screening - they could be shown in the matinee slots while blockbusters were shown in the evening.

My local cinema has some digital screens and projects things like live ballet and opera.
 
2012-04-27 01:51:05 PM  

wiwille: CSB time.

I used to be a projectionist when film was actually used. The theatre I worked at had a three platter system, which had the films Beauty and the Beast (shown during the day) and Basic Instinct (showed at night). Well I came to work hungover one day and misread the labels, and consequently exposed a number of families to the infamous scene where a naked woman gets all stabby.

How I didn't get fired is a miracle.


Two words: Brain Wrap! ARGHAAAAA!!!!!

I hated the platters. Especially the films that were slightly too large for the platter and we had to use these suction cup things to hold it on. I had the last 20 min. of 'Amadeus' fall off the platter and then brain wrap in a mess of broken film! I thought the audience was going to come into the booth with pichforks and torches. We had to give them a special viewing because the film was so messed up.
 
2012-04-27 01:51:30 PM  

wiwille: CSB time.

I used to be a projectionist when film was actually used. The theatre I worked at had a three platter system, which had the films Beauty and the Beast (shown during the day) and Basic Instinct (showed at night). Well I came to work hungover one day and misread the labels, and consequently exposed a number of families to the infamous scene where a naked woman gets all stabby.

How I didn't get fired is a miracle.


LOL. I remember reading about that when it happened.
 
2012-04-27 01:53:17 PM  

Bad Man: stupiddream: I was a projectionist back in the late 80's, Fresh out of high school. That was one of the best jobs I ever had. The worst part was building the prints but the best part was screening the prints before anyone else got to see them. Invite a few friends over or invite one of the consession stand girls to stay late and watch movies all night. It was great! If only it had paid more I might still be doing that. Good times!

Same here. Oh yes, the concession stand girls. It was nice having the only key to the projection booth.


"Fist Bump"

Consession girls were awesome! But, I still can't eat popcorn.
 
2012-04-27 01:53:32 PM  

wiwille: CSB time.

I used to be a projectionist when film was actually used. The theatre I worked at had a three platter system, which had the films Beauty and the Beast (shown during the day) and Basic Instinct (showed at night). Well I came to work hungover one day and misread the labels, and consequently exposed a number of families to the infamous scene where a naked woman gets all stabby.

How I didn't get fired is a miracle.


Wow... you let the whole movie roll?
 
2012-04-27 01:53:33 PM  
I dont think the avengers needs any more press
 
2012-04-27 01:54:09 PM  

natazha: SurfaceTension: Mugato: I'm just an animator, not a projectionist so I don't know much about actually projecting the stuff but it would seem that there should be a batch of commands that's somewhat standard and uniform for each theater with movies in the same format. I don't know why it would be that hard.

This should help explain it...

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x283]

Should be 29 standards in the third panel. The 14 old standards, the 9 new official standards (because no one would agree on anything), and six new formats from new companies.


Still better than inkjet printers.
 
2012-04-27 01:55:34 PM  

downstairs: wiwille: CSB time.

I used to be a projectionist when film was actually used. The theatre I worked at had a three platter system, which had the films Beauty and the Beast (shown during the day) and Basic Instinct (showed at night). Well I came to work hungover one day and misread the labels, and consequently exposed a number of families to the infamous scene where a naked woman gets all stabby.

How I didn't get fired is a miracle.

Wow... you let the whole movie roll?


No rewind feature?
 
2012-04-27 01:57:09 PM  

downstairs: wiwille: CSB time.

I used to be a projectionist when film was actually used. The theatre I worked at had a three platter system, which had the films Beauty and the Beast (shown during the day) and Basic Instinct (showed at night). Well I came to work hungover one day and misread the labels, and consequently exposed a number of families to the infamous scene where a naked woman gets all stabby.

How I didn't get fired is a miracle.

Wow... you let the whole movie roll?


That's where I'm curious. Cuz there's like 5 minutes of mirror ceiling dicking, jiggling tits, bondage and maniac cowgirl humping going on before she ever stabs the dude. I might also be forgetting things, but I'm pretty sure there's a credits roll and the title before all of that.
 
2012-04-27 02:01:25 PM  

Bad Man: stupiddream: I was a projectionist back in the late 80's, Fresh out of high school. That was one of the best jobs I ever had. The worst part was building the prints but the best part was screening the prints before anyone else got to see them. Invite a few friends over or invite one of the consession stand girls to stay late and watch movies all night. It was great! If only it had paid more I might still be doing that. Good times!

Same here. Oh yes, the concession stand girls. It was nice having the only key to the projection booth.


Sexy times in the projection booth?
 
2012-04-27 02:07:09 PM  

farkeruk:
Personally, I'm all for digital for one simple reason - you'll see more variety of films. The 70th anniversary showing of Casablanca and reruns of The Bodyguard were done as a digital screening - they could be shown in the matinee slots while blockbusters were shown in the evening.


A local indie theater has been using Blu-Rays for showing 80s movies during the week. You'd never know except for The Goonies being way too good looking and sometimes the projectionist forgets to shutter the projector before the legal text on blue field shows up at the end.
 
2012-04-27 02:11:16 PM  

SultanofSchwing: downstairs: wiwille: CSB time.

I used to be a projectionist when film was actually used. The theatre I worked at had a three platter system, which had the films Beauty and the Beast (shown during the day) and Basic Instinct (showed at night). Well I came to work hungover one day and misread the labels, and consequently exposed a number of families to the infamous scene where a naked woman gets all stabby.

How I didn't get fired is a miracle.

Wow... you let the whole movie roll?

That's where I'm curious. Cuz there's like 5 minutes of mirror ceiling dicking, jiggling tits, bondage and maniac cowgirl humping going on before she ever stabs the dude. I might also be forgetting things, but I'm pretty sure there's a credits roll and the title before all of that.


How it got to that point is a mystery to me. I just remember getting the call from the doorman after someone complained and almost falling out of my chair. I ran over to the window and sure enough there the guy was getting his chest opened. Oddly enough, the doorman and manager said no one was really upset, just annoyed. It makes me think if that happened today it may have been a big incident with people bringing lawsuits and what not. It wasn't exactly that busy if I recall correctly. Come to think of it, I recall someone a manager later telling me that the same thing happened in another theatre somewhere. Have no clue if it's true or not.

No rewind feature?

Horizontal platters didn't have that luxury oddly enough. I had to unthread the film from the projector and fast forward all the way through. Sadly I couldn't play the actual intended movie as all three platters were being used, so the customers got free passes to another showing.

Two words: Brain Wrap! ARGHAAAAA!!!!!

I hated the platters. Especially the films that were slightly too large for the platter and we had to use these suction cup things to hold it on. I had the last 20 min. of 'Amadeus' fall off the platter and then brain wrap in a mess of broken film! I thought the audience was going to come into the booth with pichforks and torches. We had to give them a special viewing because the film was so messed up.


My god THIS.

Two words: Brain Wrap! ARGHAAAAA!!!!!

I hated the platters. Especially the films that were slightly too large for the platter and we had to use these suction cup things to hold it on. I had the last 20 min. of 'Amadeus' fall off the platter and then brain wrap in a mess of broken film! I thought the audience was going to come into the booth with pichforks and torches. We had to give them a special viewing because the film was so messed up.
 
2012-04-27 02:12:34 PM  
So much of THIS even, it beared repeating oddly.
 
2012-04-27 02:18:17 PM  

wiwille: SultanofSchwing: downstairs: wiwille: CSB time.

I used to be a projectionist when film was actually used. The theatre I worked at had a three platter system, which had the films Beauty and the Beast (shown during the day) and Basic Instinct (showed at night). Well I came to work hungover one day and misread the labels, and consequently exposed a number of families to the infamous scene where a naked woman gets all stabby.

How I didn't get fired is a miracle.

Wow... you let the whole movie roll?

That's where I'm curious. Cuz there's like 5 minutes of mirror ceiling dicking, jiggling tits, bondage and maniac cowgirl humping going on before she ever stabs the dude. I might also be forgetting things, but I'm pretty sure there's a credits roll and the title before all of that.

How it got to that point is a mystery to me. I just remember getting the call from the doorman after someone complained and almost falling out of my chair. I ran over to the window and sure enough there the guy was getting his chest opened. Oddly enough, the doorman and manager said no one was really upset, just annoyed. It makes me think if that happened today it may have been a big incident with people bringing lawsuits and what not. It wasn't exactly that busy if I recall correctly. Come to think of it, I recall someone a manager later telling me that the same thing happened in another theatre somewhere. Have no clue if it's true or not.
.


The first summer I worked at the theater, I was working those gawd-awful kid shows that Regal has in the summer, and whoever was in projection started "Swordfish" instead of whatever kids movie was supposed to play. So, about 15 minutes after the movie started, parents started rushing out of the theater to let management know. Of course, most of the parents left their kids in there....
 
2012-04-27 02:33:18 PM  
Headline fail. Subby added a verb where it shouldn't have been.
 
2012-04-27 02:34:47 PM  

bulldg4life: Who's the jackass at pixar that let backups fail for a month?

Slap that guy in the face


And why weren't they using a high end filer system that did daily (at the very least) snapshots? Let me guess. Management decided it was not a good use of the budget. All too often the geeks end up taking the blame for decisions made by clueless middle managers.
 
2012-04-27 02:54:23 PM  

stupiddream: Bad Man: stupiddream: I was a projectionist back in the late 80's, Fresh out of high school. That was one of the best jobs I ever had. The worst part was building the prints but the best part was screening the prints before anyone else got to see them. Invite a few friends over or invite one of the consession stand girls to stay late and watch movies all night. It was great! If only it had paid more I might still be doing that. Good times!

Same here. Oh yes, the concession stand girls. It was nice having the only key to the projection booth.

"Fist Bump"

Consession girls were awesome! But, I still can't eat popcorn.


Yeah, just the thought of the "butter" makes my skin crawl.

LeroyBourne: Bad Man: stupiddream: I was a projectionist back in the late 80's, Fresh out of high school. That was one of the best jobs I ever had. The worst part was building the prints but the best part was screening the prints before anyone else got to see them. Invite a few friends over or invite one of the consession stand girls to stay late and watch movies all night. It was great! If only it had paid more I might still be doing that. Good times!

Same here. Oh yes, the concession stand girls. It was nice having the only key to the projection booth.

Sexy times in the projection booth?


Why yes, and the concession girls weren't the only victims.
 
2012-04-27 03:07:35 PM  

greenlady1: The first summer I worked at the theater, I was working those gawd-awful kid shows that Regal has in the summer, and whoever was in projection started "Swordfish" instead of whatever kids movie was supposed to play. So, about 15 minutes after the movie started, parents started rushing out of the theater to let management know. Of course, most of the parents left their kids in there....


When I was a kid back in the 1960s. the local theater owner went on vacation and left a high school senior in charge. The night the theater owner came back from vacation was my family's movie night. The high school senior had booked The Three Lives of Thomasina and the movie Hush, Hush, Sweet Charlotte together as a double feature.

My two little brothers and I loved the Disney film of course, but when the Bette Davis movie started, and an irate man of color began to chop up Bruce Dern, the three of us started screaming and ran out of the theater. The theater owner opened the door to see what the fuss was and we ran the poor man over. Ten minutes later, we're in his office eating all the free ice cream we wanted while the theater owner, my mom, and our grandmother are all chewing out the high school kid.
 
2012-04-27 03:09:21 PM  

wiwille: No rewind feature?

Horizontal platters didn't have that luxury oddly enough. I had to unthread the film from the projector and fast forward all the way through. Sadly I couldn't play the actual intended movie as all three platters were being used, so the customers got free passes to another showing.


Yay! I do know something about everything.

/livin the dream
 
2012-04-27 03:10:57 PM  
Perhaps the Norse gods are sending the movie studio an ominous omen of cinematic suckage to come.
 
2012-04-27 03:11:21 PM  
What is this "film" you speak of?

/Born in '93.
//Getting off your lawn now.
 
2012-04-27 03:16:20 PM  

stupiddream: I was a projectionist back in the late 80's, Fresh out of high school. That was one of the best jobs I ever had. The worst part was building the prints but the best part was screening the prints before anyone else got to see them. Invite a few friends over or invite one of the consession stand girls to stay late and watch movies all night. It was great! If only it had paid more I might still be doing that. Good times!


Came here to say this as I have the same /csb. Fun times!
 
2012-04-27 03:17:08 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: What is this "film" you speak of?

/Born in '93.
//Getting off your lawn now.


Any home "video" of you as a tyke? No? I didn't think so.

Even if so, I guarantee it is grainy as hell.
 
2012-04-27 03:39:49 PM  
My most 'memorable' moment.. I was transferring a print from one set of platters to another.. and tripped. 3 hours of the matrix dropped onto the floor and got tangled. That. Was. Not. Fun.
 
2012-04-27 04:07:07 PM  
When I was in elementary school I was sometimes picked to advanced the filmstrip when prompted by the chime during the recorded narration. So, I'm pretty much an expert on this stuff.
 
2012-04-27 04:11:15 PM  

Dravik: My most 'memorable' moment.. I was transferring a print from one set of platters to another.. and tripped. 3 hours of the matrix dropped onto the floor and got tangled. That. Was. Not. Fun.


You just needed someone to talk you down.
 
2012-04-27 04:13:43 PM  

coldones: When I was in elementary school I was sometimes picked to advanced the filmstrip when prompted by the chime during the recorded narration. So, I'm pretty much an expert on this stuff.


I kinda remember that sort of thing..
 
2012-04-27 04:15:49 PM  

coldones: When I was in elementary school I was sometimes picked to advanced the filmstrip when prompted by the chime during the recorded


[BOOOOP]

narration. So, I'm pretty much an expert on this stuff.

FTFY
 
2012-04-27 04:28:37 PM  

Alphax: coldones: When I was in elementary school I was sometimes picked to advanced the filmstrip when prompted by the chime during the recorded narration. So, I'm pretty much an expert on this stuff.

I kinda remember that sort of thing..


Nutcracker Suite, biatchs.
 
2012-04-27 04:29:03 PM  
I used to visit my grandfather's theatures growing up in Cleveland circa 65-71... we'd get to sit up in the booth and watch him switch reels, look for the cigarette burn in the upper right corner,... and most importantly we also got full access to behind the concession stands - all we wanted & front of the line - and allllll the faces of my classmates in line looking at me with pouting eyes...
 
2012-04-27 04:52:46 PM  
My ex-girlfriend swindled me into taking her to see "Ever After". The projector broke beyond quick repair.
I got a free movie ticket. I never had to see that movie. I'm pretty sure I used that ticket to see "Rounders".
I owe that projectionist big time.
 
2012-04-27 04:59:45 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: What is this "film" you speak of?


The same place as all the sex "tapes".
 
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