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(CNN)   Hot teacher wants to be fruitful and multiply, forgoes the bang-a-student route and instead pursues IVF with her husband. Ends up fired by her Catholic employer. Bonus points: still hot. Lightning round: suing the diocese. (tag for the employer)   (cnn.com) divider line 422
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2012-04-27 01:48:35 PM  

halfof33: SocraticIrony: Silly Jesus: For those that are confused as to why the church is opposed to this process...

[www.timeidol.com image 427x438]

They aren't big on the whole science thing so they actually believe that this is what it looks like right after the sperm meets the egg. Therefore, not implanting them all is FIRST DEGREE PREMEDITATED MURDER!!!11!!1!

I GOT IT, here's how we can convince the Catholic Church that IVF doesn't make the big wizard in the sky mad (or w/e retarded retribution they fear)...

Once eggs that are fertilized are not used, we convict them of murder with no evidence and sentence them to death rape them and hope they commit suicide, which really isn't a sin if you're gay (because of the rape) and besides, they cancel each other out. This making shiat up as you go stuff is kinda fun. I'm actually a little jealous of the church now.. Voilà!

Wow, that is a great idea that you've clearly researched extensively.

The death penalty "is not only a refusal of the right to life, but it also is an affront to human dignity," the Vatican said in a position paper.

/dumbass can't even snark properly.


I fixed it for him/you. I'm sure mine was wrong as well.
 
2012-04-27 01:49:48 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How can anyone with a conscience still be Catholic? The church has gone utterly and completely mad

/I don't get it


Actually catholic's as opposed to protestants (remember most of the "hard right idiots" that cause problems are actually protestant not catholic) tend to follow a few beliefs that jesus taught. You know like helping the poor. They are not perfect but they are 1000000x better than protestants.
 
2012-04-27 01:55:31 PM  

SocraticIrony:
Anything else you'd like to be wrong about today?


Holy crap. I had no idea. I mean when you said that you were going to convince the Catholic Church, and I quoted the official statment from the Vatican, and you come back with two half-assed polls from the US, and ignore the billion other Catholics from the rest of the world..

Oh, here is the statement from Link

But I'm sure you'll put me in my place with a Facebook page or something.

lulz.
 
2012-04-27 01:56:13 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: quoinguy: lennavan: quoinguy: And even if there isn't, religious institutions are allowed to make any rule they want, within legal reason.

That's kinda the point of the lawsuit, in the opinion of the hot teacher, this was not within legal reason.



Agreed. She's basically asking the courts to decide if this is within legal reason.

What I meant was the hate that routinely spews from FARK forgets to take into account the belief system of the religious entity. An employee is expected to be a messenger of the religion for which they work, or at least follow their teachings quietly.I wouldn't have a problem with someone getting fired from a Jewish school if they kept bringing cheeseburgers and jambalaya in for lunch.

/Not the greatest analogy--don't know much about Jewish customs.
//How about this one--fired from a Jewish school for letting it be known she had an abortion. I know Judaism isn't hip on them.

When has the boldened ever been established legally within the US?


Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission,


Link


Basically they said that church schools could call their teachers "ministers" and require them to follow the teachings of the church and that the church was exempt from certain employment discrimination laws. Not great in my opinion but like I said earlier they are a fully private, voluntary organization and get to set their own membership rules.

On the plus side, maybe the ridiculousness of the situation will cause some people to leave the catholic church and that is not a bad thing.
 
2012-04-27 01:57:16 PM  
300+ posts and no one turned this into a "what a hot teacher might look like" thread.
It's Friday people, what the hell is wrong with you??!!!?
 
2012-04-27 01:58:33 PM  
so let me get this straight:

7 farking pages in a thread with a headline containing the words "hot teacher // bang - a - student // catholic"

& not one goddam pic of a sexy teacher or schoolgirl???

jesus ..... and it's even friday.

lotgk.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-04-27 02:03:18 PM  

thecpt: yves0010:
When it comes to teaching at a religious school, Its more of a calling for your faith and your life. Not just a job to earn money. That kind of approach to working there would and most likely get you terminated. You do have to have a want to work there and enjoy it.

When I worked at my old high school, a Christian school from pre-k all the way up, I loved every second of it. I felt I was there to help the kids not only in education but in life. And I did, and when I felt my time was coming to a close there, I left with the feeling I helped the kids in more ways then just book knowledge.

So my biggest question is if she wins, then where would the money come from? That school (which would adversely effect the education and treatment of the kids she was supposed to be a proponent for) or the catholic church as a whole?

She was either in it for those kids to begin with or it was literally a job for pay and thats it.


Depends on how the school and church are set up. There are some religious schools that are financed by the church and there are some that are a separate, for a lack of a better term, business then that of the church and make their own money to pay for the schools overhead.

So if this school is tied to the church financially, then the church itself would pay. But if its the school, then the school would be really take a hurting financially. Both situations will, in turn, hurt the students.

Crotchrocket Slim: yves0010: thecpt: yves0010:
They also have the right to deny anyone employment on a religious background as well. Even if we do not see it being right. It is not a good idea to hire an atheist or a Buddhist to teach at a Christian school. Their beliefs, or lack of, can and sometimes will cause issues.

So this just goes full circle back to don't work for them is your only option.

When it comes to teaching at a religious school, Its more of a calling for your faith and your life. Not just a job to earn money. That kind of approach to working there would and most likely get you terminated. You do have to have a want to work there and enjoy it.

When I worked at my old high school, a Christian school from pre-k all the way up, I loved every second of it. I felt I was there to help the kids not only in education but in life. And I did, and when I felt my time was coming to a close there, I left with the feeling I helped the kids in more ways then just book knowledge.

This business about "calling for your faith" has absolutely nothing to do with the courts. Legally speaking this is a nothing argument.


It has everything to do with it. The thing is, you are looking at it from an outside looking in point of view. When you teach at a place like this. This is not a job but a calling. If you are a teacher with a belief system. You do not always teach at a private religious school. You can go teach at a public school as well. But a lot of these teachers feel it is a call to teach in a private school.

More so, it is motivation to work there. If you are doing it cause its "just a job." Then you are depriving the kids of what they are there for. Most if not all of the classes at a religious school are taught from a religious view point, Math is the only exception. English, science, social studies.. all taught from a point of view of said belief.

Ill use English class as an example. English (including grammar, spelling and literature) would have stories from authors of the religion of said school (I.E. Jewish tales for a Jewish school, Christian for Christian and so forth). Yes, they would mix secular authors in but the stories would not have certain subjects deemed inappropriate for the kids.
 
2012-04-27 02:03:20 PM  

lennavan: Port1080: Catholics are okay with IUI, which is ironic since IUI is more likely to give you Kate Plus 8 and whatnot.

I fail to see how that's ironic.

Port1080: I'm not exactly sure what the problem the Catholic church has with IVF

Here is the Catholic Church's problem:

Port1080: That usually gives the doc seven or eight good eggs to use, and he'll fertilize them all, but then only take one to three

It's not about the method, it is about the result. To the Catholic Church, you just described the murder of five to seven babies.


Every sperm is sacred...
 
2012-04-27 02:03:49 PM  

LovingTeacher: Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission,


Link


Basically they said that church schools could call their teachers "ministers" and require them to follow the teachings of the church and that the church was exempt from certain employment discrimination laws. Not great in my opinion but like I said earlier they are a fully private, voluntary organization and get to set their own membership rules.

On the plus side, maybe the ridiculousness of the situation will cause some people to leave the catholic church and that is not a bad thing.



None if this is true and all of this is entirely pulled out of your ass. It would be more productive for you to have just posted a picture of a hot teacher.

iswirl.info
 
2012-04-27 02:05:41 PM  

halfof33: SocraticIrony:
Anything else you'd like to be wrong about today?

Holy crap. I had no idea. I mean when you said that you were going to convince the Catholic Church, and I quoted the official statment from the Vatican, and you come back with two half-assed polls from the US, and ignore the billion other Catholics from the rest of the world..

Oh, here is the statement from Link

But I'm sure you'll put me in my place with a Facebook page or something.

lulz.


You've already been put in your place, no press release by the Vatican is going to change that. I'm sure there's an article slapped together on that site about how their officials shouldn't rape children, but it still happens all the time.

Also, in case you didn't notice, this case is from the US.
 
2012-04-27 02:06:04 PM  

lennavan: Port1080: Catholics are okay with IUI, which is ironic since IUI is more likely to give you Kate Plus 8 and whatnot.

I fail to see how that's ironic.

Port1080: I'm not exactly sure what the problem the Catholic church has with IVF

Here is the Catholic Church's problem:

Port1080: That usually gives the doc seven or eight good eggs to use, and he'll fertilize them all, but then only take one to three

It's not about the method, it is about the result. To the Catholic Church, you just described the murder of five to seven babies.


It actually is about the method not just the un-used embryos. I posted a link to the catholic church's teachings on IVF earlier and they specifically think that "Pope Paul VI has taught that there is an "inseparable connection, willed by God, and unable to be broken by man on his own initiative, between the two meanings of the conjugal act: the unitive meaning and the procreative meaning.""

So even if the couple uses every single embryo produced or limits themselves to producing one at a time until they got pregnant they would still be hell-bound by catholic standards.
 
2012-04-27 02:06:24 PM  

LovingTeacher: Crotchrocket Slim:

When has the boldened ever been established legally within the US?

Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission,


Link


Basically they said that church schools could call their teachers "ministers" and require them to follow the teachings of the church and that the church was exempt from certain employment discrimination laws. Not great in my opinion but like I said earlier they are a fully private, voluntary organization and get to set their own membership rules.

On the plus side, maybe the ridiculousness of the situation will cause some people to leave the catholic church and that is not a bad thing.


Lennavan's pointed out how you're misinterpretting this case's ruling but direct quote from your own citation:

The EEOC had argued that the ministerial exception would give churches "unfettered discretion" to violate employment laws, such as by hiring children or undocumented workers, or retaliating against employees who report criminal misconduct. The court refused to rule on those issues, expressing "no view on whether the exception bars other types of suits."

"It is enough for us to conclude, in this, our first case involving the ministerial exception, that the exception covers Perich, given all the circumstances of her employment," Chief Justice Roberts said.


It very much states that religious organizations cannot willy-nilly label their employees as "ministers" etc. unless they actually perform some religious function or service.
 
2012-04-27 02:07:03 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How can anyone with a conscience still be Catholic? The church has gone utterly and completely mad

/I don't get it


The Catholic Church officially sanctioned the torture and killing of tens of thousands of people during the inquisitions (many burnt alive) and Catholics never had a problem with it. Historically speaking, this incident is hardly worth notice.

When you believe in organized religion, rational though is not your strong suit - everything else follows from this.
 
2012-04-27 02:08:09 PM  

Warlordtrooper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: How can anyone with a conscience still be Catholic? The church has gone utterly and completely mad

/I don't get it

Actually catholic's as opposed to protestants (remember most of the "hard right idiots" that cause problems are actually protestant not catholic) tend to follow a few beliefs that jesus taught. You know like helping the poor. They are not perfect but they are 1000000x better than protestants.


That implies that a little good makes up for all the appalling evil. I understand wanting to have and show faith, but how can you defend the church's attitudes and actions these days?

/they're acting like a papal bull in a china shop
 
2012-04-27 02:09:55 PM  

yves0010: thecpt: Crotchrocket Slim: yves0010: thecpt: yves0010:
They also have the right to deny anyone employment on a religious background as well. Even if we do not see it being right. It is not a good idea to hire an atheist or a Buddhist to teach at a Christian school. Their beliefs, or lack of, can and sometimes will cause issues.

So this just goes full circle back to don't work for them is your only option.

When it comes to teaching at a religious school, Its more of a calling for your faith and your life. Not just a job to earn money. That kind of approach ...


I'm sorry, I was discussing the legal implications and arguments to be used in court. In court no one gives a shiat about your "calling" and describing it as such is meaningless, legally. Judges must make rulings based on laws and precedent, nothing more.

"Sorry, the adults are having a discussion in this thread."
 
2012-04-27 02:10:21 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: CPennypacker: JohnnyCanuck: Hey...i'm making no bones here. I came looking for someone to knock down a few pegs. I threw out the line and apparently the fish are biting today.

This stuff cracks me up.

I don't remember reading any of your posts in this thread, and I'm far too lazy to look back for them, but based on this you seem like kind of a douche.

Ummm...more of an ass, really. And even then, only when someone comes looking.
I'm starting to think maybe my reference was too obscure for you guys stuck in your bubble and unwilling to acknowledge an opinion other than your own.
You see, "Better get the ring Herc", was from an old cartoon from....ah, nevermind. I don't think you'll understand. Try google.


Like I said, I only read the one post, so I don't know what you're referencing. I like you even less now. Must be awesome to be that awesome.
 
2012-04-27 02:11:12 PM  
stpauler: "Is a non-renewal of a contract the same as being fired?"

The law doesn't care. It's called "wrongful termination" to purposefully cover the full variety of employment arrangements.
Pick a new nit.
 
2012-04-27 02:11:25 PM  
Contrary to popular belief no one has a "right" to work at a religious institution. It doesn't matter if you don't adhere to that particular religion - it's their party and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it if they don't like your race, religion, personal hygeine, sexual proclivities, or CHILDBEARING STATUS. It's what they call "exempt."
So don't go trying to be a white guy in a black church, or eating pork in a Jewish center, or being gay, a single mother, or any number of things against Catholic teachings if you work for a Catholic institution.
It may not be "nice" but it's the law, get it?

There's so much stupid in this thread I can't stop laughing. :)
 
2012-04-27 02:13:28 PM  

procopulus-x: Contrary to popular belief no one has a "right" to work at a religious institution. It doesn't matter if you don't adhere to that particular religion - it's their party and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it if they don't like your race, religion, personal hygeine, sexual proclivities, or CHILDBEARING STATUS. It's what they call "exempt."
So don't go trying to be a white guy in a black church, or eating pork in a Jewish center, or being gay, a single mother, or any number of things against Catholic teachings if you work for a Catholic institution.
It may not be "nice" but it's the law, get it?

There's so much stupid in this thread I can't stop laughing. :)


Does it take a lot of effort to be this wrong?

Because you're really, very wrong.
 
2012-04-27 02:13:43 PM  

procopulus-x: Contrary to popular belief no one has a "right" to work at a religious institution. It doesn't matter if you don't adhere to that particular religion - it's their party and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it if they don't like your race, religion, personal hygeine, sexual proclivities, or CHILDBEARING STATUS. It's what they call "exempt."
So don't go trying to be a white guy in a black church, or eating pork in a Jewish center, or being gay, a single mother, or any number of things against Catholic teachings if you work for a Catholic institution.
It may not be "nice" but it's the law, get it?

There's so much stupid in this thread I can't stop laughing. :)


Damn, too cool even for Internet GED Law School, and the lack of knowledge or understanding in the post of labor laws is pretty awesome.

Awesome = awe striking, not in the "really cool" sense
 
2012-04-27 02:14:35 PM  

SocraticIrony: halfof33: SocraticIrony:
Anything else you'd like to be wrong about today?

Holy crap. I had no idea. I mean when you said that you were going to convince the Catholic Church, and I quoted the official statment from the Vatican, and you come back with two half-assed polls from the US, and ignore the billion other Catholics from the rest of the world..

Oh, here is the statement from Link

But I'm sure you'll put me in my place with a Facebook page or something.

lulz.

You've already been put in your place, no press release by the Vatican is going to change that. I'm sure there's an article slapped together on that site about how their officials shouldn't rape children, but it still happens all the time.

Also, in case you didn't notice, this case is from the US.


Aww, no Facebook page? But I gotta tell ya, when I am looking for the position of the church, I am going to go all in for a poll, rather than say the statement of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, or the Vatican, or the Pope:

.The new evangelization calls for followers of Christ who are unconditionally pro-life: who will proclaim, celebrate and serve the Gospel of life in every situation. A sign of hope is the increasing recognition that the dignity of human life must never be taken away, even in the case of someone who has done great evil. Modern society has the means of protecting itself, without definitively denying criminals the chance to reform. I renew the appeal I made most recently at Christmas for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary. (Pope John Paul II, St. Louis, MO, January 1999) Punishment cannot be reduced to mere retribution, much less take the form of social retaliation or a sort of institutional vengeance. Punishment and imprisonment have meaning if they serve the rehabilitation of the individual by offering those who have made a mistake an opportunity to reflect and to change their lives in order to be fully reintegrated into society. (Pope John Paul II, Jubilee Homily to Prisoners, Rome, July 2002)
 
2012-04-27 02:14:36 PM  

LovingTeacher: It actually is about the method not just the un-used embryos. I posted a link to the catholic church's teachings on IVF earlier and they specifically think that "Pope Paul VI has taught that there is an "inseparable connection, willed by God, and unable to be broken by man on his own initiative, between the two meanings of the conjugal act: the unitive meaning and the procreative meaning.""


That quote in its original intended context means sex for fun is immoral. You are taking it out of context, applying it to a different situation and deriving a very different meaning from it. This is the sentence that precedes yours that Pope Paul VI wrote:

The Church, nevertheless, in urging men to the observance of the precepts of the natural law, which it interprets by its constant doctrine, teaches that each and every marital act must of necessity retain its intrinsic relationship to the procreation of human life.
 
2012-04-27 02:15:14 PM  

DozeNutz: She is butthurt that she lost her job, and is now making a scene about her getting fired over this. I bet her lawyer is a moron telling her she has a case when she doesn't. She should have known that she would lose her job over this, its pretty clear what the church thinks of stuff like this. But hey, keep reaffirming the 1st amendment, its a good thing.


She was given time off when she first started getting the IVF done...her immediate boss KNEW about it and was OK with it.
So no, she does have a case.
 
2012-04-27 02:17:50 PM  

halfof33: SocraticIrony: halfof33: SocraticIrony:
Anything else you'd like to be wrong about today?

Holy crap. I had no idea. I mean when you said that you were going to convince the Catholic Church, and I quoted the official statment from the Vatican, and you come back with two half-assed polls from the US, and ignore the billion other Catholics from the rest of the world..

Oh, here is the statement from Link

But I'm sure you'll put me in my place with a Facebook page or something.

lulz.

You've already been put in your place, no press release by the Vatican is going to change that. I'm sure there's an article slapped together on that site about how their officials shouldn't rape children, but it still happens all the time.

Also, in case you didn't notice, this case is from the US.

Aww, no Facebook page? But I gotta tell ya, when I am looking for the position of the church, I am going to go all in for a poll, rather than say the statement of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, or the Vatican, or the Pope:

.The new evangelization calls for followers of Christ who are unconditionally pro-life: who will proclaim, celebrate and serve the Gospel of life in every situation. A sign of hope is the increasing recognition that the dignity of human life must never be taken away, even in the case of someone who has done great evil. Modern society has the means of protecting itself, without definitively denying criminals the chance to reform. I renew the appeal I made most recently at Christmas for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary. (Pope John Paul II, St. Louis, MO, January 1999) Punishment cannot be reduced to mere retribution, much less take the form of social retaliation or a sort of institutional vengeance. Punishment and imprisonment have meaning if they serve the rehabilitation of the individual by offering those who have made a mistake an opportunity to reflect and to change their lives in order to be fully reintegrated into soci ...


TL;DR,

I'll take facts over lip service any day.
 
2012-04-27 02:19:31 PM  
 
2012-04-27 02:20:42 PM  

SocraticIrony:
TL;DR,

I'll take facts over lip service any day.


Someone might have given you an Internet if you had said "acts" instead of "facts".
 
2012-04-27 02:21:38 PM  

ringersol: stpauler: "Is a non-renewal of a contract the same as being fired?"

The law doesn't care. It's called "wrongful termination" to purposefully cover the full variety of employment arrangements.
Pick a new nit.


Please show the law that states that non-renewing a contract is the same as firing. The contract wasn't cancelled mid-stream which would have been a termination of course.
 
2012-04-27 02:22:52 PM  

Silly Jesus: [openwalls.com image 600x450]

[i96.photobucket.com image 640x796]



PNSFW (Pops)


Oh Nikki Cox, ever a warning against getting unnecessary plastic surgery if there was ever one. (Honestly I thought she was aging just fine naturally)
 
2012-04-27 02:23:13 PM  
The art of picture cropping.
 
2012-04-27 02:23:38 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: SocraticIrony:
TL;DR,

I'll take facts over lip service any day.

Someone might have given you an Internet if you had said "acts" instead of "facts".


Mario would have given you a 1up if you didn't have downs.
 
2012-04-27 02:24:02 PM  

stpauler: ringersol: stpauler: "Is a non-renewal of a contract the same as being fired?"

The law doesn't care. It's called "wrongful termination" to purposefully cover the full variety of employment arrangements.
Pick a new nit.

Please show the law that states that non-renewing a contract is the same as firing. The contract wasn't cancelled mid-stream which would have been a termination of course.


They told her why they weren't renewing.

Try this

"We aren't renewing your contract because you're black"

"We aren't renewing your contract because you are in a wheelchair"

See, we didn't fire them, we just didn't renew their contracts!

You think that would fly?

Difficulty: No intellectual dishonesty.
 
2012-04-27 02:24:02 PM  

stpauler: ringersol: stpauler: "Is a non-renewal of a contract the same as being fired?"

The law doesn't care. It's called "wrongful termination" to purposefully cover the full variety of employment arrangements.
Pick a new nit.

Please show the law that states that non-renewing a contract is the same as firing. The contract wasn't cancelled mid-stream which would have been a termination of course.


Her husband terminated her contract mid-stream. That's why they are using IVF.
 
2012-04-27 02:24:27 PM  

stpauler: ringersol: stpauler: "Is a non-renewal of a contract the same as being fired?"

The law doesn't care. It's called "wrongful termination" to purposefully cover the full variety of employment arrangements.
Pick a new nit.

Please show the law that states that non-renewing a contract is the same as firing. The contract wasn't cancelled mid-stream which would have been a termination of course.


I personally don't have a particular case to cite but this is one of the basic things lawyers learn to argue for during their first year.
/knew a lot of law students
 
2012-04-27 02:26:04 PM  

vernonFL: Its sad, because they do some really good and important charity work around the world.


Fixing problems they created themselves isn't "charity."
 
2012-04-27 02:26:11 PM  

SocraticIrony: Crotchrocket Slim: SocraticIrony:
TL;DR,

I'll take facts over lip service any day.

Someone might have given you an Internet if you had said "acts" instead of "facts".

Mario would have given you a 1up if you didn't have downs.


?

I'm guessing you didn't get the "acts vs faith" reference but I was merely making a joke about RC culture; that's a huge debate for them.
 
2012-04-27 02:28:21 PM  

CPennypacker: JohnnyCanuck: CPennypacker: JohnnyCanuck: Hey...i'm making no bones here. I came looking for someone to knock down a few pegs. I threw out the line and apparently the fish are biting today.

This stuff cracks me up.

I don't remember reading any of your posts in this thread, and I'm far too lazy to look back for them, but based on this you seem like kind of a douche.

Ummm...more of an ass, really. And even then, only when someone comes looking.
I'm starting to think maybe my reference was too obscure for you guys stuck in your bubble and unwilling to acknowledge an opinion other than your own.
You see, "Better get the ring Herc", was from an old cartoon from....ah, nevermind. I don't think you'll understand. Try google.

Like I said, I only read the one post, so I don't know what you're referencing. I like you even less now. Must be awesome to be that awesome.


Ya, it's pretty cool.
Seriously man..all you're doing in here is posting about how wrong everyone else is. You're like a douchebag of god-like proportions. So just stick you're tail back between your legs where it belongs and go back to belittling those not willing to speak up. That should make you feel good about yourself for another 5 minutes or so.
 
2012-04-27 02:30:29 PM  

JohnnyCanuck: CPennypacker: JohnnyCanuck: CPennypacker: JohnnyCanuck: Hey...i'm making no bones here. I came looking for someone to knock down a few pegs. I threw out the line and apparently the fish are biting today.

This stuff cracks me up.

I don't remember reading any of your posts in this thread, and I'm far too lazy to look back for them, but based on this you seem like kind of a douche.

Ummm...more of an ass, really. And even then, only when someone comes looking.
I'm starting to think maybe my reference was too obscure for you guys stuck in your bubble and unwilling to acknowledge an opinion other than your own.
You see, "Better get the ring Herc", was from an old cartoon from....ah, nevermind. I don't think you'll understand. Try google.

Like I said, I only read the one post, so I don't know what you're referencing. I like you even less now. Must be awesome to be that awesome.

Ya, it's pretty cool.
Seriously man..all you're doing in here is posting about how wrong everyone else is. You're like a douchebag of god-like proportions. So just stick you're tail back between your legs where it belongs and go back to belittling those not willing to speak up. That should make you feel good about yourself for another 5 minutes or so.


What business do I have belittling those not speaking up when the ones being vocal douchebags like yourself deserve it so much more!
 
2012-04-27 02:36:39 PM  
Pointing out where someone is fracking ignorant on Fark is now douchebaggery?

It's not Fark it's We'reAllApparentlyDouchebagsNow.com
 
2012-04-27 02:40:11 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: SocraticIrony: Crotchrocket Slim: SocraticIrony:
TL;DR,

I'll take facts over lip service any day.

Someone might have given you an Internet if you had said "acts" instead of "facts".

Mario would have given you a 1up if you didn't have downs.

?

I'm guessing you didn't get the "acts vs faith" reference but I was merely making a joke about RC culture; that's a huge debate for them.


You mean I used that line for the first time on someone who wasn't attack me? Damnit!
 
2012-04-27 02:41:09 PM  
Hard to tell sometimes in threads I know :)

All good.
 
2012-04-27 02:42:33 PM  
My sentiments exactly. I'm happy to see you're finally coming around and agreeing with my awesomeness.

It took a few posts...but you're learning. See...you will leave here today being a "little" less of an arogant fark than you were this morning.

I'm like a crusader for open-mindedness.

\you're welcome!
 
2012-04-27 02:44:35 PM  

CPennypacker: What business do I have belittling those not speaking up when the ones being vocal douchebags like yourself deserve it so much more!


He is trolling, I figured it out too late. Don't nibble on the line....


JohnnyCanuck: If you're going to nibble this line be ready.

 
2012-04-27 02:46:00 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Pointing out where someone is fracking ignorant on Fark is now douchebaggery?

It's not Fark it's We'reAllApparentlyDouchebagsNow.com


Nah, you're just missing out on the humor. Let me break this one down for you:

JohnnyCanuck: Seriously man..all you're doing in here is posting about how wrong everyone else is. You're like a douchebag of god-like proportions.


See, all JohnnyCanuck has done in this thread is post about how wrong other people are while acting like a douchebag. But in a post to someone else, he claims that is all they did. El oh el! The irony is hilarious. That's Johnny's sort of humor. Now read this post of his:

JohnnyCanuck: See...you will leave here today being a "little" less of an arogant fark than you were this morning.


See what I mean? Dude is hilarious, you just have to understand his humor.
 
2012-04-27 02:46:02 PM  

jst3p: CPennypacker: What business do I have belittling those not speaking up when the ones being vocal douchebags like yourself deserve it so much more!

He is trolling, I figured it out too late. Don't nibble on the line....


JohnnyCanuck: If you're going to nibble this line be ready.


I know, that's why I'm calling him a douchebag!
 
2012-04-27 02:47:42 PM  
stpauler: "Please show the law that states that non-renewing a contract is the same as firing."

I never said they were the same.
I said "wrongful termination" covers both situations (among others).
Ergo the technical distinction is irrelevant.
 
2012-04-27 02:47:57 PM  

CPennypacker: stpauler: ringersol: stpauler: "Is a non-renewal of a contract the same as being fired?"

The law doesn't care. It's called "wrongful termination" to purposefully cover the full variety of employment arrangements.
Pick a new nit.

Please show the law that states that non-renewing a contract is the same as firing. The contract wasn't cancelled mid-stream which would have been a termination of course.

They told her why they weren't renewing.

Try this

"We aren't renewing your contract because you're black"

"We aren't renewing your contract because you are in a wheelchair"

See, we didn't fire them, we just didn't renew their contracts!

You think that would fly?

Difficulty: No intellectual dishonesty.


Intellectual dishonesty would be in the way that you likened reproductive rights to be a protected class like race or handicap is. So, try again.
 
2012-04-27 02:48:31 PM  
Wow....2 lessons. I feel pretty good about myself today.

2 less arrogant farkers in one thread!
 
2012-04-27 02:49:35 PM  

stpauler: CPennypacker: stpauler: ringersol: stpauler: "Is a non-renewal of a contract the same as being fired?"

The law doesn't care. It's called "wrongful termination" to purposefully cover the full variety of employment arrangements.
Pick a new nit.

Please show the law that states that non-renewing a contract is the same as firing. The contract wasn't cancelled mid-stream which would have been a termination of course.

They told her why they weren't renewing.

Try this

"We aren't renewing your contract because you're black"

"We aren't renewing your contract because you are in a wheelchair"

See, we didn't fire them, we just didn't renew their contracts!

You think that would fly?

Difficulty: No intellectual dishonesty.

Intellectual dishonesty would be in the way that you likened reproductive rights to be a protected class like race or handicap is. So, try again.


Its intellectually dishonest to link to an article about precedent that backs up my assertion?

Strong work, friend.
 
2012-04-27 02:52:57 PM  

lennavan: Crotchrocket Slim: Pointing out where someone is fracking ignorant on Fark is now douchebaggery?

It's not Fark it's We'reAllApparentlyDouchebagsNow.com

Nah, you're just missing out on the humor. Let me break this one down for you:

JohnnyCanuck: Seriously man..all you're doing in here is posting about how wrong everyone else is. You're like a douchebag of god-like proportions.

See, all JohnnyCanuck has done in this thread is post about how wrong other people are while acting like a douchebag. But in a post to someone else, he claims that is all they did. El oh el! The irony is hilarious. That's Johnny's sort of humor. Now read this post of his:

JohnnyCanuck: See...you will leave here today being a "little" less of an arogant fark than you were this morning.

See what I mean? Dude is hilarious, you just have to understand his humor.


See...this guy "kind of" gets it.
What do you guys actually think you're going to accomplish in here today?
 
2012-04-27 02:54:18 PM  

ringersol: stpauler: "Please show the law that states that non-renewing a contract is the same as firing."

I never said they were the same.
I said "wrongful termination" covers both situations (among others).
Ergo the technical distinction is irrelevant.


No, not necessarily. As I said, show me the law that says that non-renewal is the same as firing (or that they both fall under the wrongful termination heading).


Oh, here. Let me do your work.

Many -- But Not All -- Courts Agree: Non-Renewal Is The Same As Termination
In the Leibowitz case, the Second Court cited decisions of the Third, Sixth, Seventh and Tenth Circuits, and several district court decisions, where those courts expressly concluded that non-renewal of an employment contract satisfies the adverse-action requirement. Some circuit courts, such as the Ninth circuit, have yet to consider this precise issue. Other courts have simply adopted with little analysis the parties' express or implicit agreement that non-renewal of a contract is an adverse employment action.

Only a few courts have found non-renewal of an employment contract not to be an adverse employment action. For instance, in California, an employee whose fixed-term contract is not renewed cannot state a common law tort claim for wrongful termination in violation of public policy. Illinois state courts have held similarly. Significantly, these cases did not concern statutory discrimination or retaliation actions.

What Does This Mean For Your School?

In light of the trend to expand the definition of adverse employment action, schools should exercise care when deciding not to renew an employment contract. Don't just assume that because a contract is ending, the school's legal obligations are fulfilled and the decision not to renew is risk-free. Take the same steps to evaluate the potential risks of a decision not to renew an employment contract as to evaluate a decision to terminate an employment contract. Carefully screen decisions not to renew an employment contract in order to ensure that such decisions are based on lawful, legitimate, non-discriminatory and non-retaliatory criteria in order to mitigate the risk of claims of wrongful termination, discrimination or retaliation.



So, there's no law, but there are court cases where a law is interpreted as such. And not all of them.

Moreover, reproductive rights are not a protected class.

As I said before, she was dumb for taking a position with such a bigoted institution.
 
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