lennavan: jst3p: Well, they know now!

How did her boss find out? Did the kids know because she talked about it?

Those might be relevant questions.

Her boss found out because she had to ask for time off to undergo the procedure. But I do agree with you, whether she ever discussed it in English class is a pretty relevant question. Not only does it not belong in an English class, even if it did, I can definitely see her teaching something contradictory to the school meriting a firing. For the sake of this argument, I'm assuming she didn't.

If she was bringing it up in class, the school might make the case (pretty successfully too) that she was a crappy teacher, but over all they seem very happy with her job performance.

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: She was fired for joining the Israeli army?

heh heh heh

My stars, but she's gorgeous. Sorry, Mr. what's your name, I sort of coveted your wife, a bit.

mod3072: She should have just gotten herself pregnant by being raped. Then the baby would be sacred and Jesus-approved.

Well played.

"I need some sick days, I am entertaining a house guest."

Kurmudgeon: kvinesknows: If you are of the Jesus persuasion.. all you need to know is that everytime you sin, you need only ask for forgiveness and you are thenceforth sin free.

Wrong, "without repentance, there is no forgiveness."
God knows your heart, so faking it doesn't work.

oh please. Just because you do something again and again does not mean you dont feel sorry for it. and all that really mattters is that last begging for forgiveness just as you are dieing. Because you can be damn sure its meant then

Look up the definition of "repentance, then try again.

TNel: The_Six_Fingered_Man: CPennypacker: The_Six_Fingered_Man: CPennypacker: The_Six_Fingered_Man: CPennypacker: thecpt: CPennypacker: cowsspinach: Good luck winning that law suit.

You're referring to the School, right?

Courts don't take kindly to ADA violations

Is that considered a disability? I think she should win based off discrimination if anything.
ADA is really confusing me when I write contracts. Did you know a business owned by someone who is disabled is considered minority owned? That one really screwed with my head.

Infertility is

[Citation Needed]

The ADA covers "impairments" and clearly states that pregnancy is not an impairment. I don't see how Infertility would be an impairment that would be covered under the ADA. Does the fact that she is infertile cause he to be unable to perform her job duties?

Link

Current court decisions view Infertility is a disability, but it is not considered a disability in any case where it can be addressed with mitigative or corrective measures, or if the employer's plan excludes all coverage for it

She got her IVF using the employer's plan and they fired her for it, so it seems as though in her case it is a disability under ADA considering precedent.

It seems that you have that backwards. Infertility is a disability if it cannot be corrected. She was having it corrected, ergo no disability.

But they fired her for trying to correct it . . .

But it's not a disability if she's correcting it, ergo, no ADA violation.

So in your view if someone is missing a leg and needs to get a fake leg "installed" they are not disabled anymore because they are correcting their disability?

Errr...that's the Supreme Court's view, not necessarily mine. And they are only "not disabled" as it pertains to protections under the ADA.

I think she has a case. This is no different than a person working for a jewish school being fired for eating ham.
But I don't agree with people using IVF. Not for religious reasons but because there are already too many people here.

Not that hot.

Britney Spear's Speculum: I think she has a case. This is no different than a person working for a jewish school being fired for eating ham.
But I don't agree with people using IVF. Not for religious reasons but because there are already too many people here.

And too many religions/superstitions.

lennavan: JohnnyCanuck: jst3p: JohnnyCanuck: PonceAlyosha: JohnnyCanuck: Is she not married? Maybe that's the problem.

Better get the ring, Herx!

\dnrtfa

You dnrtfheadline. See the world HUSBAND right there?

Nope! Clicked after "Hot Teacher". It's Friday...fark off.
Maybe it's common law....churchies probably don't like that either. I duno.

I looked up "double down on stupid" and was presented with this post.

I read a few of your posts and you really strike me as one of those "know nothing, know it all" douchebags. Does that sound about right?

If you're going to nibble this line be ready. I love Friday afternoon beatdowns on farkwads like you. Want me to ruin just your day or your whole weekend?

You might want to think your cunning plan all the way through. It might not turn out the way you are imagining right now.

Is that supposed to discourage me? Like i'm going to fear some nameless morons spouting ignorance about what they think they know? Hey...I dropped a little humor and some douchebag felt it necessary to point out what he/she thought of it. Show me your ignorance and I will expose it as well. That's the only reason i'm here. No better place to find ignorance than a religion thread...on both sides.

jst3p: JohnnyCanuck: jst3p: JohnnyCanuck: PonceAlyosha: JohnnyCanuck: Is she not married? Maybe that's the problem.

Better get the ring, Herx!

\dnrtfa

You dnrtfheadline. See the world HUSBAND right there?

Nope! Clicked after "Hot Teacher". It's Friday...fark off.
Maybe it's common law....churchies probably don't like that either. I duno.

I looked up "double down on stupid" and was presented with this post.

I read a few of your posts and you really strike me as one of those "know nothing, know it all" douchebags. Does that sound about right?

If you're going to nibble this line be ready. I love Friday afternoon beatdowns on farkwads like you. Want me to ruin just your day or your whole weekend?

First you are too dumb to read the headline then you follow up with, from completely left field, "maybe it was a common law marriage".

I apologize if it offends you, but you just seem really stupid.

And I, in turn, appologize for offending you for pointing out that you're just another internet dumbass who feels the need to try and make everyone think you're not really an idiot. I doubt you need me to help you accomplish that...but what else am I doing on a Friday afternoon, eh?

Britney Spear's Speculum: I think she has a case. This is no different than a person working for a jewish school being fired for eating ham.
But I don't agree with people using IVF. Not for religious reasons but because there are already too many people here.

Eh. I can understand your argument but when the time comes I want my wife and I to have a little us so I get it.

JohnnyCanuck: I dropped a little humor

No, you really didn't.

/not even a tiny bit

BurnShrike: Gratch: What does the 1st amendment have to do with this?

Isn't the 1st amendment the one that guarantees you the right to free snatch?


Why wasn't I told about this!

jst3p: People talk too much.

Physician, heal thyself.

Eternal Virgin: Not that hot.

Evidently she did a little 'private modeling' on the side. I bet the church isn't too keen on that either. Pops (sfw)

jst3p: JohnnyCanuck: I dropped a little humor

No, you really didn't.

/not even a tiny bit

So you have no sense of humor...or at least have proven that anyone with an opinion or "sense" of humor not in line with yours is incorrect. STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE, kind of farker, eh. Very common in these types of threads. This is going to be easy.

Deucednuisance: jst3p: People talk too much.

Physician, heal thyself.

touche`

It's probably been said, but:

- firing a teacher for getting IVF because it might cause a scandal
- engaging in a decades-long, international conspiracy to aid and abet child rape

Yup, that's the Church alright.

jst3p: JohnnyCanuck: I dropped a little humor

No, you really didn't.

/not even a tiny bit

I dunno, I kinda found it funny. Take a look at his post to me. He left the original context in:

JohnnyCanuck: JohnnyCanuck: Is she not married? Maybe that's the problem.

Better get the ring, Herx!

\dnrtfa

Did not read the article, did not read the headline, has no idea if she is married yet makes a snarky comment anyways. Then for the punchline:

JohnnyCanuck: Show me your ignorance and I will expose it as well. That's the only reason i'm here. No better place to find ignorance than a religion thread...on both sides.

He's here to expose ignorance! I think you just don't get his humor.

Seeing a lot of misconceptions about IVF posted here. My wife and I are having fertility issues so this is something I've had to learn more about than I ever expected. People often conflate IVF (in vitro ferilization) with IUI (intrauterine insemination - the "turkey baster" treatment). Catholics are okay with IUI, which is ironic since IUI is more likely to give you Kate Plus 8 and whatnot. Both start out the same - they put the woman on a bunch of drugs that completely chemically regulates her cycle and forces her body to produce eggs on demand. With IUI, once they verify that the woman is about to ovulate, they'll take a sperm sample from the lucky guy and use the "turkey baster" to put it directly where it needs to be. So it's more or less like the natural process, just with some extra help. When you're using all those drugs to stimulate ovulation, though, you can end up with a bunch of viable eggs dropping at once, and then you get high order multipes. With IVF, the doc stimulates egg production in exactly the same way, but then harvests the eggs with a large needle (yeah, it's painful) and fertilization is done in a petri dish. That usually gives the doc seven or eight good eggs to use, and he'll fertilize them all, but then only take one to three (very rarely more than three - doctors that implant more than that are consider to be very irresponsible...situations like that can also lead to bad things, like Octomom) and directly place the fertilized eggs on the uterine lining and hope they implant. I'm not exactly sure what the problem the Catholic church has with IVF, but I believe it is that you usually make, like I said, six or seven fertilized eggs, but only implant two or three. As soon as fertilization takes place, the Church believes that the eggs are fully distinct human beings, so it has a problem with people not using those eggs or some-such and considers this to be akin to abortion (despite the fact that said fertilized eggs were never actually implanted).

lennavan: I dunno, I kinda found it funny.

Fair enough, he gets laughed at.

Hey...i'm making no bones here. I came looking for someone to knock down a few pegs. I threw out the line and apparently the fish are biting today.

This stuff cracks me up.

Port1080: Catholics are okay with IUI, which is ironic since IUI is more likely to give you Kate Plus 8 and whatnot.

I fail to see how that's ironic.

Port1080: I'm not exactly sure what the problem the Catholic church has with IVF

Here is the Catholic Church's problem:

Port1080: That usually gives the doc seven or eight good eggs to use, and he'll fertilize them all, but then only take one to three

It's not about the method, it is about the result. To the Catholic Church, you just described the murder of five to seven babies.

I love it how the priest condemns her as a grave, immoral sinner. Because if the Bible teaches one thing, it's that only certain people are sinners.

My cousin got pregnant at 17 and gave birth out of wedlock. Later when she tried to join a church congregation (protestant) they told her she could only join if she went in front of the church and publicly apologized for her "sin". How disgusting is it that people whose problems are conspicuous get treated like garbage, meanwhile everyone else pretends like their life is blemish free.

Kurmudgeon: kvinesknows: If you are of the Jesus persuasion.. all you need to know is that everytime you sin, you need only ask for forgiveness and you are thenceforth sin free.

Wrong, "without repentance, there is no forgiveness."
God knows your heart, so faking it doesn't work.

Except a priest can absolve you.

you know, the last time I got into a cab that had license plates, which said fresh, and dice in the mirror, I was lead for quite a romp through an affluent neighborhood, wrought with juxtoposing sordid adventures with intermittent jazzy quietudes. in other words, the cab's promise of 'fresh' was kept. whereas, this thread's promise of hot teachers was not kept.

For those that are confused as to why the church is opposed to this process...



They aren't big on the whole science thing so they actually believe that this is what it looks like right after the sperm meets the egg. Therefore, not implanting them all is FIRST DEGREE PREMEDITATED MURDER!!!11!!1!

1. Yes, she's hot, although what percentage of that is the heavy makeup? Who knows.

2. An English teacher? Really? In just 60 seconds or so of her interview:

"My principal has been knowing about this" (should be "My principal has known about this")
"It's just been a very hard thing to come to grips to" (should be "It's just been a very hard thing to come to grips with")
"but the outpour of support" (should be "but the outpouring of support")

3. So long as the school receives no government / public funding and is entirely self-supported, I have no problem with this. I'm going to guess that with separation of church and state largely being a fairy tale notion these days, though, that's likely not the case. If they take one penny of public funding, they haven't a leg to stand on, in my opinion.

JohnnyCanuck: Hey...i'm making no bones here. I came looking for someone to knock down a few pegs. I threw out the line and apparently the fish are biting today.

This stuff cracks me up.

I don't remember reading any of your posts in this thread, and I'm far too lazy to look back for them, but based on this you seem like kind of a douche.

gweilo8888: 1. Yes, she's hot, although what percentage of that is the heavy makeup? Who knows.

2. An English teacher? Really? In just 60 seconds or so of her interview:

"My principal has been knowing about this" (should be "My principal has known about this")
"It's just been a very hard thing to come to grips to" (should be "It's just been a very hard thing to come to grips with")
"but the outpour of support" (should be "but the outpouring of support")

3. So long as the school receives no government / public funding and is entirely self-supported, I have no problem with this. I'm going to guess that with separation of church and state largely being a fairy tale notion these days, though, that's likely not the case. If they take one penny of public funding, they haven't a leg to stand on, in my opinion.

I just gave her Toki Wartooth's voice and it works.

Rights this, law that, blah, blah, blah! Where are the pictures of what a smoking hot teacher might look like?

/ Oh, right, I have an internet connection here.
// Carry on, Farkers!
/// (without me)

vernonFL: I'm afraid the only solution is for people to just stop working for anything involved with the American Catholic Church.

Its sad, because they do some really good and important charity work around the world. But if they are going to be complete d-bags about stuff like this, then they don't deserve the workers they have.

Ftfy. Catholics in the rest of the world tend not to be as idiotic as their US counterparts.

the stugots: Under natural light the 'smokin' and 'hot' seems to dissipate slightly...


Under natural light she's still hot. For a Podling...



// hot!

Since my wife teaches at the school in question, I'm getting a kick . . .

I would have hoped that the first time something close to me got on Fark it would have been "cool", not this mess. This whole issue occurred last year and I said then that it would come back to bite the administration. Sometimes it sucks to be right.

xant: I'd fertilize her in vitro, if you know what I mean.

/literally that is what I mean

Hmm. Not really sure that you understand the term 'in vitro'. Personally, I'd much prefer to fertilize her in utero (or, at least, in vagina-o).

CPennypacker: JohnnyCanuck: Hey...i'm making no bones here. I came looking for someone to knock down a few pegs. I threw out the line and apparently the fish are biting today.

This stuff cracks me up.

I don't remember reading any of your posts in this thread, and I'm far too lazy to look back for them, but based on this you seem like kind of a douche.

Ummm...more of an ass, really. And even then, only when someone comes looking.
I'm starting to think maybe my reference was too obscure for you guys stuck in your bubble and unwilling to acknowledge an opinion other than your own.
You see, "Better get the ring Herc", was from an old cartoon from....ah, nevermind. I don't think you'll understand. Try google.

capt.hollister: vernonFL: I'm afraid the only solution is for people to just stop working for anything involved with the American Catholic Church.

Its sad, because they do some really good and important charity work around the world. But if they are going to be complete d-bags about stuff like this, then they don't deserve the workers they have.

Ftfy. Catholics in the rest of the world tend not to be as idiotic as their US counterparts.

Dude have you ever been to Brazil? Catholic concentration nearly equal to the Vatican (cattle rustling?) and I can assure you they do the derp as well as any other country Americanos included.

Silly Jesus: For those that are confused as to why the church is opposed to this process...

[www.timeidol.com image 427x438]

They aren't big on the whole science thing so they actually believe that this is what it looks like right after the sperm meets the egg. Therefore, not implanting them all is FIRST DEGREE PREMEDITATED MURDER!!!11!!1!

I GOT IT, here's how we can convince the Catholic Church that IVF doesn't make the big wizard in the sky mad (or w/e retarded retribution they fear)...

Once eggs that are fertilized are not used, we convict them of murder with no evidence and sentence them to death. Voilà!

halfof33: Jacobin: Mary, Jesus' mom had a virgin birth. So now it's a mortal sin?

Uh, I think it has more to do with the extra embryos

It's not just the extra, and often disposed of, embryos but also:

"IVF violates the rights of the child: it deprives him of his filial relationship with his parental origins and can hinder the maturing of his personality. It objectively deprives conjugal fruitfulness of its unity and integrity, it brings about and manifests a rupture between genetic parenthood, gestational parenthood, and responsibility for upbringing. This threat to the unity and stability of the family is a source of dissension, disorder, and injustice in the whole of social life. "

Catholic teachings on IVF

Also on the court rulings, the court has ruled that churches may call teachers "ministers" of the church and treat them as such. They can fire a minister or pastor or priest or imam or rabbi if that person doesn't follow the teachings of the church sponsoring the school.

While I don't completely agree with this it is a private voluntary institution and can enforce membership rules however it wants to. In the US we have also given churches wide latitude in employing it's ministers for good reason. While I think that churches should be made to follow most laws in the country it would make no sense to force a religious organization to hire someone like me, an atheist, to be a priest.

SocraticIrony: Silly Jesus: For those that are confused as to why the church is opposed to this process...

[www.timeidol.com image 427x438]

They aren't big on the whole science thing so they actually believe that this is what it looks like right after the sperm meets the egg. Therefore, not implanting them all is FIRST DEGREE PREMEDITATED MURDER!!!11!!1!

I GOT IT, here's how we can convince the Catholic Church that IVF doesn't make the big wizard in the sky mad (or w/e retarded retribution they fear)...

Once eggs that are fertilized are not used, we convict them of murder with no evidence and sentence them to death. Voilà!

Wow, that is a great idea that you've clearly researched extensively.

The death penalty "is not only a refusal of the right to life, but it also is an affront to human dignity," the Vatican said in a position paper.

/dumbass can't even snark properly.

The Catholic Church is Christian like Taco Bell is Mexican food.

LovingTeacher: While I don't completely agree with this it is a private voluntary institution and can enforce membership rules however it wants to.

Actually, this occurred in the United States.

LovingTeacher: While I think that churches should be made to follow most laws in the country it would make no sense to force a religious organization to hire someone like me, an atheist, to be a priest.

It also makes no sense to equate a priest with an English teacher.

LovingTeacher: Also on the court rulings, the court has ruled that churches may call teachers "ministers" of the church and treat them as such.

Nope.

But on the more difficult question of determining who is and is not a minister, the court was equivocal, saying that would have to be determined on a case-by-case basis

The court, however, used Perich's case to show how to weigh the relevant factors. It agreed that even though the bulk of Perich's time was spent teaching secular classes like math and science, she still qualified as a minister. The court noted that Perich led her students in prayer each day, escorted her students to chapel, taught a religious class four times a week and was what the church designated as a "called teacher," as opposed to a contract teacher. While contract teachers had the same duties, the court said, to qualify for tenure, Perich completed an ecclesiastical course of study at a Lutheran college, and after passing an oral exam, she was issued a ministerial commission..

On a case-by-case basis this example teacher was called a minister because among other things she taught a religious class four times a week and was issued a ministerial commission. You're comparing that with a lady who only ever taught English.

qorkfiend: Sybarite: I'm only a lawyer on the Internet, but doesn't this ruling pretty much doom her lawsuit?

Unfortunately, this. And, unlike the plaintiff in the aforementioned case, Mrs. Herx wasn't fired. AFAIK any employer could decide not to renew an employment contract for any reason or no reason at all.

No, there are instances in which nonrenewal of a contract can be treated as a termination (for example, there was a case where an employee had been on 1-year contracts for 20 years, and the court determined she was actually a permanent employee.) Some contracts and collective agreements also have provisions respecting nonrenewal. Nonrenewal of a contract for a discriminatory reason can be actionable in some cases. All depends on specifics - laws in place in that jurisdiction, facts of the case, terms of the employment agreement, etc. And whether the plaintiff is a "minister" is one of the issues in dispute. So I'm not saying she definitely has a case, but she might.

halfof33: SocraticIrony: Silly Jesus: For those that are confused as to why the church is opposed to this process...

[www.timeidol.com image 427x438]

They aren't big on the whole science thing so they actually believe that this is what it looks like right after the sperm meets the egg. Therefore, not implanting them all is FIRST DEGREE PREMEDITATED MURDER!!!11!!1!

I GOT IT, here's how we can convince the Catholic Church that IVF doesn't make the big wizard in the sky mad (or w/e retarded retribution they fear)...

Once eggs that are fertilized are not used, we convict them of murder with no evidence and sentence them to death. Voilà!

Wow, that is a great idea that you've clearly researched extensively.

The death penalty "is not only a refusal of the right to life, but it also is an affront to human dignity," the Vatican said in a position paper.

/dumbass can't even snark properly.

Clearly a butthurt

also wrong and farking retarded:

66% of Catholics in the US support the death penalty:


Practicing Catholics support it less than non-practicing but still have a majority over those who don't.


Source

Anything else you'd like to be wrong about today?