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2012-04-27 08:41:36 AM  
Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.
 
2012-04-27 08:46:49 AM  
Wouldn't that be like a Florida judge deciding whether foreign tourists should be banned from entering Disney?
 
2012-04-27 08:54:02 AM  
well, now I won't even bother getting a passport. No need to ever go to Europe. Thanks, stupid judge
 
2012-04-27 08:54:06 AM  
Brilliant! Enjoy losing 90% of that tourist money, Netherlands.
 
2012-04-27 08:55:24 AM  
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/when you make locals long for nice American tourists, you've got a serious problem
 
2012-04-27 08:56:54 AM  
This is stupid.
 
2012-04-27 08:59:09 AM  

Walker: Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.


If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.
 
2012-04-27 08:59:15 AM  
I see some of their point. The weed cafes ARE a bit of a magnet for filthy stoner backpacker types, which in turn brings some petty crime and quality of life issues. It might get on my nerves if I actually had to live with it.
 
2012-04-27 08:59:16 AM  
Good.
Maybe now they'll get with the rest of the civilized world and make narcotics illegal entirely.
 
2012-04-27 08:59:38 AM  
I'm thinking people primarily go there for the legal prostitutes rather than the herb, but yeah, it's in the top three.

/after tulips, of course... gotta love them tulips
 
2012-04-27 08:59:55 AM  
Stoping the ugly American tourists is exactly what they have in mind.
Wonder why?

/apparently the money is not enough to endure the heat they must take
 
2012-04-27 09:01:12 AM  

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/when you make locals long for nice American tourists, you've got a serious problem


Lol, I've been to Amsterdam twice and you couldn't be more right. The brits that go there are the most loud and obnoxious people I have ever met. That being said, if this passes I don't see myself going back. The way things are going the states (I'm looking at you Colorado and Washington) are going to have more liberalized weed laws anyway.
 
2012-04-27 09:01:30 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Good.
Maybe now they'll get with the rest of the civilized world and make narcotics illegal entirely.


narcotics, fine

nontoxic herbs, not so much
You need that stick up your ass surgerized.
 
2012-04-27 09:02:09 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Good.
Maybe now they'll get with the rest of the civilized world and make narcotics illegal entirely.


Why? Marijuana is not physically or psychologically harmful.
 
2012-04-27 09:02:18 AM  

topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.


This. Netherlands has world-famous brothels.
 
2012-04-27 09:03:31 AM  

topcon: Walker: Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.

If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.


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2012-04-27 09:03:44 AM  
It's their country, and I know some of the citizens don't like being known as a vacation spot for drug tourists.

Still, loosing such a huge chunk of revenue seems stupid and short sighted. When I went, a coffee shop visit made the Van Gogh museum and the Rijksmuseum MUCH more interesting. Sadly, nothing made Tulips, wooden shoes and toy windmills fascinating.

/so long ago I paid in guilders.
 
2012-04-27 09:04:39 AM  
The Dutch police will never enforce this...

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/good video here if you can make it through the ad
 
2012-04-27 09:04:45 AM  

snocone: Rev. Skarekroe: Good.
Maybe now they'll get with the rest of the civilized world and make narcotics illegal entirely.

narcotics, fine

nontoxic herbs, not so much
You need that stick up your ass surgerized.


You bin trolled.
Good one Rev.
 
2012-04-27 09:08:08 AM  

Walker: topcon: Walker: Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.

If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

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And we've got a typical American moron over here.

"DURR, PEOPLE ONLY GO TO THE NETHERLANDS TO SMOKE POT."
 
2012-04-27 09:09:39 AM  
Damn Nazi collaborators.
 
2012-04-27 09:10:19 AM  

Walker: Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.


If only there were some way the United States could capitalize on all those tourism dollars while our currency is weak in the global market making it an attractive destination. Too bad we can't think of something....
 
2012-04-27 09:11:51 AM  

Private_Citizen: Still, loosing such a huge chunk of revenue seems stupid and short sighted. When I went, a coffee shop visit made the Van Gogh museum and the Rijksmuseum MUCH more interesting. Sadly, nothing made Tulips, wooden shoes and toy windmills fascinating.


I guess the question would be just how much money tourists there to get their smoke on brings in. It may not be as substantial as one might think. And on the flip side, what are the disadvantages of drug tourism to them. Bad reputation? Would more people visit other things there if there weren't stoned tourists milling about?

Personally, I don't really see why anyone would go there just because marijuana is legal. Despite being illegal, if I wanted to (and I really don't), I could easily procure some with a risk so minimal as to be almost non-existent.
 
2012-04-27 09:13:24 AM  

nekom: I guess the question would be just how much money tourists there to get their smoke on brings in. It may not be as substantial as one might think. And on the flip side, what are the disadvantages of drug tourism to them. Bad reputation? Would more people visit other things there if there weren't stoned tourists milling about?


The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.
 
2012-04-27 09:14:23 AM  
Private_Citizen: When I went, a coffee shop visit made the Van Gogh museum and the Rijksmuseum MUCH more interesting.

Absolutely. I remember stopping by Rookie's for an early morning "coffee" and then spending the day cruising from museum to museum via water taxi.... amazing art and gorgeous architecture all around... a really wonderful time.

But when you visit the areas that cater exclusively to stoner frat-boy types, all the shops are selling nothing but bongs and Bob Marley tapestries and it's like being stuck in the touristy part of Haight-Ashbury. I can see why people living in those areas would support this law, if only to reduce the a-hole quotient of their neighborhood.
 
2012-04-27 09:16:03 AM  

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/when you make locals long for nice American tourists, you've got a serious problem

Lol, I've been to Amsterdam twice and you couldn't be more right. The brits that go there are the most loud and obnoxious people I have ever met. That being said, if this passes I don't see myself going back. The way things are going the states (I'm looking at you Colorado and Washington) are going to have more liberalized weed laws anyway.


That's the problem with cheap travel. It's £59 return flights to Amsterdam - hence you get the great unwashed able to get there within 45 minutes.

Could be worse though - it could be Majorca!
 
2012-04-27 09:16:42 AM  
Recently had a 13 hour layover in Amsterdam. What to do with half a day in Amsterdam?... Would hate to see them enforce this ban.
 
2012-04-27 09:17:29 AM  

abhorrent1: Brilliant! Enjoy losing 90% of that tourist money, Netherlands.


Really, 90% of their tourist traffic is stoners? That alone would provide incentive to diversify my tourist industry to draw in a higher class of tourists.
 
2012-04-27 09:17:54 AM  

PonceAlyosha: The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.


How exactly is that THEIR problem? It's legal there, it's not legal in other countries. That sounds like a problem that starts at the border of another country. I would only imagine that customs looks just a bit harder for drugs for tourists returning from Amsterdam than elsewhere.
 
2012-04-27 09:18:22 AM  

hasty ambush: abhorrent1: Brilliant! Enjoy losing 90% of that tourist money, Netherlands.

Really, 90% of their tourist traffic is stoners? That alone would provide incentive to diversify my tourist industry to draw in a higher class of tourists.


Higher class?
 
2012-04-27 09:20:59 AM  

topcon: "DURR, PEOPLE ONLY GO TO THE NETHERLANDS TO SMOKE POT."


People probably don't go there as a stoner destination a whole lot unless they live pretty close by. But I would suspect that if you find yourself nearby you might stop by the cafe for a bong and a blintz. I have spent a whopping two days in Amsterdam but I made it a point to get baked.

/grist
 
2012-04-27 09:21:07 AM  

topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.


They also go for the "banana show".

There's 2 things that are worth going to Amsterdam for that aren't sleazy:-
1. The Architecture
2. The Anne Frank House

The food is basically terrible, except for the rijstaffel (which is an Indonesian import). The art museums are OK, but Paris or Madrid are better. The weather is terrible. The shopping isn't great.

Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House. Did a canal boat trip. Went to the Van Gogh Museum. That was about 1 and a half days of our trip. After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.

Yet, it's one of the most visited cities in Europe. But nothing to do with smoking weed...
 
2012-04-27 09:21:42 AM  
I heard that it's mainly a traffic issue to do with day tourists, people hopping over the border from neighboring countries. Apparently it clogs up their highways and such something fierce.
 
2012-04-27 09:22:45 AM  

PonceAlyosha: nekom: I guess the question would be just how much money tourists there to get their smoke on brings in. It may not be as substantial as one might think. And on the flip side, what are the disadvantages of drug tourism to them. Bad reputation? Would more people visit other things there if there weren't stoned tourists milling about?

The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.


Exactly. The problem isn't American tourists coming over to smoke pot, it's the French and German fast boys driving over to get their stash and their home-countries complaining.
 
2012-04-27 09:23:34 AM  

Nurglitch: I heard that it's mainly a traffic issue to do with day tourists, people hopping over the border from neighboring countries. Apparently it clogs up their highways and such something fierce.


Well that would actually make sense, but there are other options to solve that. Build a drug superhighway perhaps.
 
2012-04-27 09:24:33 AM  

nekom: PonceAlyosha: The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.

How exactly is that THEIR problem? It's legal there, it's not legal in other countries. That sounds like a problem that starts at the border of another country. I would only imagine that customs looks just a bit harder for drugs for tourists returning from Amsterdam than elsewhere.


There are no customs except at entry points, like international airports. United Europe, remember?
You can drive right across Europe without having to deal with checkpoints.
 
2012-04-27 09:25:07 AM  
fireclown: "The weed cafes ARE a bit of a magnet for filthy stoner backpacker types, which in turn brings some petty crime and quality of life issues."

And bars don't attract drunks? And tourist destinations aren't a magnet for petty crimes in general?
(Tourists are easy marks. The marks bring the crime, not the tourist attraction.)
If the shops give rise to a problem, taxing the shops to pay for it seems like an enforceable alternative to an unenforceable mess. To say nothing of the unintended consequences of having a bunch of people who desire hash, being denied hash by shops that want to sell it to them and mere feet away from citizens who can legally buy and enjoy it. Remember that petty crime problem? Imagine how it's going to turn out when these tourists try to buy their hash from go-betweens.

The Dutch are taking careful aim at their foot on this one. They may want to take a moment to consider their assumptions.
 
2012-04-27 09:25:42 AM  

Tillmaster: nekom: PonceAlyosha: The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.

How exactly is that THEIR problem? It's legal there, it's not legal in other countries. That sounds like a problem that starts at the border of another country. I would only imagine that customs looks just a bit harder for drugs for tourists returning from Amsterdam than elsewhere.

There are no customs except at entry points, like international airports. United Europe, remember?
You can drive right across Europe without having to deal with checkpoints.


This is all a plan by the Netherlands to get people to immigrate.
 
2012-04-27 09:26:50 AM  

Nurglitch: I heard that it's mainly a traffic issue to do with day tourists, people hopping over the border from neighboring countries. Apparently it clogs up their highways and such something fierce.


Peoples obsession with obtaining vegetation to burn and inhale be it tobacco or marijuana, borders on the stupid.
 
2012-04-27 09:27:49 AM  

Walker: topcon: Walker: Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.

If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

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Congratulations, now you look even stupider.
 
2012-04-27 09:28:49 AM  
I go annually for a huge trade show at the RAI. It's quite amusing to see the suits head straight for the coffee shop right after the show each day

/but then again I'm a suit now
//and most suits are about my middle age, and grew up thinking it's no big deal
///so PERHAPS the thing to do is make it legal in other places and that would ease the NL "drug tourist" problem while keeping a fair bit of the income spent by tourists while there AND improving life in other places. Nah - too easy.
 
2012-04-27 09:28:55 AM  

Tillmaster: There are no customs except at entry points, like international airports. United Europe, remember?
You can drive right across Europe without having to deal with checkpoints.


Ah yes, the Eurozone and all that. I've never been there, but I have heard it's a different paradigm. Even before you needed a passport, you didn't just drive straight into Canada and back, still had to stop at customs. So basically driving from Germany into France would be akin from driving from Pennsylvania to Ohio, only with better beer and wine?
 
2012-04-27 09:30:29 AM  

Blueintheballs:
Could be worse though - it could be Majorca!


Bleeding Watney's Red Barrel!!!
 
2012-04-27 09:32:58 AM  
A complete lack of enforcement to begin in 5... 4... 3... 2...
 
2012-04-27 09:33:38 AM  
Read that as Neanderthal judge. Appropriate since banning cannabis is pretty Neanderthal thinking in this day and age.
 
2012-04-27 09:34:19 AM  
I'd be more interested in visiting Arnhem and Eindhoven, then cruise on down to Waterloo (in Belgium).
 
2012-04-27 09:34:20 AM  

farkeruk: topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

They also go for the "banana show".

There's 2 things that are worth going to Amsterdam for that aren't sleazy:-
1. The Architecture
2. The Anne Frank House

The food is basically terrible, except for the rijstaffel (which is an Indonesian import). The art museums are OK, but Paris or Madrid are better. The weather is terrible. The shopping isn't great.

Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House. Did a canal boat trip. Went to the Van Gogh Museum. That was about 1 and a half days of our trip. After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.

Yet, it's one of the most visited cities in Europe. But nothing to do with smoking weed...


The food isn't any good? I've never seen so may ethnic restaurants in one place in my life. Tried several and all were pretty good (did like the Indonesean best)

Museums on every corner. Beautiful countryside. Friendly people.

You could only find a day and a halfs worth of things to do? Amazing. I could spend that in any one of their museums.

The French may have more museums but they have a major disadvantage in the fact that they are full of French people.

I can see not wanting to have to deal with a bunch of tourists whose main goal is to sit around turning their brains off so they can be stupid. Stoned people are annoying. Not as annoying as drunks but close. And no , I will not give you a Euro.

And if nothing else there is the great amusement of going into the red light district and watching the people watch the girls in the windows. Followed a Japanese tourist group for at least an hour watching them react*.

* Well , until they all went into a banana show, the whole bus load of them.
 
2012-04-27 09:35:59 AM  
There's absolutely no way at all this will hold up if it's challenged in the European courts.
 
2012-04-27 09:36:16 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Read that as Neanderthal judge. Appropriate since banning cannabis is pretty Neanderthal thinking in this day and age.


I don't know if that's an apt description. While I agree that marijuana ought to be legalized, the fact of the matter is it currently is not in almost every single country.
 
2012-04-27 09:36:32 AM  

Tillmaster: nekom: PonceAlyosha: The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.

How exactly is that THEIR problem? It's legal there, it's not legal in other countries. That sounds like a problem that starts at the border of another country. I would only imagine that customs looks just a bit harder for drugs for tourists returning from Amsterdam than elsewhere.

There are no customs except at entry points, like international airports. United Europe, remember?
You can drive right across Europe without having to deal with checkpoints.


Not necessarily true. I was riding a bus from Amsterdam to Paris and they pulled us over at the French border to search all passengers and the bus with drug dogs. Fortunately I stank so bad from my philthy hippy backpacking adventures that they missed the half-gram in my pocket.

But I have to say, I'm pretty surprised by this. It seems like this judge just has a bug up his butt. In my experience, the Dutch are some of the coolest, most laid back people in the world. And it has nothing to do with drugs either, they just overwhelmingly have a great attitude.

/loves the Dutch
//especially the tulips
 
2012-04-27 09:38:17 AM  

Barricaded Gunman: Private_Citizen: When I went, a coffee shop visit made the Van Gogh museum and the Rijksmuseum MUCH more interesting.

Absolutely. I remember stopping by Rookie's for an early morning "coffee" and then spending the day cruising from museum to museum via water taxi.... amazing art and gorgeous architecture all around... a really wonderful time.

But when you visit the areas that cater exclusively to stoner frat-boy types, all the shops are selling nothing but bongs and Bob Marley tapestries and it's like being stuck in the touristy part of Haight-Ashbury. I can see why people living in those areas would support this law, if only to reduce the a-hole quotient of their neighborhood.


Didn't really visit those areas, but I believe you. Still, rather than a blanket prohibition, perhaps a better answer would be specific laws meant to reduce the a-hole quotient. Things like strong fines for peeing in alleys (or the canals), fines for littering, loud behavior after a certain time, etc. You could class up the area by cracking down on the louts, and still allow tourists to try something new if they wish.

In other words, don't punish everyone for the actions of a few bad actors.
 
2012-04-27 09:42:51 AM  

fireclown: I see some of their point. The weed cafes ARE a bit of a magnet for filthy stoner backpacker types, which in turn brings some petty crime and quality of life issues. It might get on my nerves if I actually had to live with it.


The Dutch here seem to be pretty stoked on the ban. This is a hugely touristy city-- i can barely step outside my office w/o ending up in someone's snapshot. They're hoping It will discourage the most annoying types of tourists, but they're not worried about tourism here in general.

Communist_Manifesto: /when you make locals long for nice American tourists, you've got a serious problem


This is exactly the sentiment here.

/glad i have my residency card
 
2012-04-27 09:43:22 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Read that as Neanderthal judge. Appropriate since banning cannabis is pretty Neanderthal thinking in this day and age.


America: we resemble that remark.

Meanwhile, in California, a company is rolling out pot vending machines.
 
2012-04-27 09:44:07 AM  
My ex went to amsterdam expressly to smoke pot. No other reason. Didn't do anything else except wander around looking at hookers. What a waste of a visit.
 
2012-04-27 09:44:48 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Exactly. The problem isn't American tourists coming over to smoke pot, it's the French and German fast boys driving over to get their stash and their home-countries complaining.


THIS.

Germany is putting the pressure on Holland because they have their lederhosen in a wad.

If I were living in Holland, I'd tell Fritz to climb up on a chair and bite my lanky Dutch ass.
 
2012-04-27 09:45:36 AM  

topcon: Walker: topcon: Walker: Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.

If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

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And we've got a typical American moron over here.

"DURR, PEOPLE ONLY GO TO THE NETHERLANDS TO SMOKE POT."


yeah, there's also hookers
 
2012-04-27 09:49:02 AM  

farkeruk: Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House. Did a canal boat trip. Went to the Van Gogh Museum. That was about 1 and a half days of our trip. After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.


I feel kinda bad for you. I've lived here 5 months now and have yet to find time to go to either the Anne Frank House or Van Gogh Museum. I've had several sets of visitors come through, and we had plenty to do.

/btw the food is good here if you know where to look... in general though i agree with you.
 
2012-04-27 09:49:52 AM  

Get Your Dick Out Of My Food: The Dutch here seem to be pretty stoked on the ban. This is a hugely touristy city-- i can barely step outside my office w/o ending up in someone's snapshot. They're hoping It will discourage the most annoying types of tourists, but they're not worried about tourism here in general.


The Dutch can hold two completely contradictory views simultaneously and not see it as a problem.

They're also open and tolerant, but regulate everything up the wazoo.

It's an odd little country.

Hup Holland Hup.
 
2012-04-27 09:50:18 AM  
hasty ambush: Peoples obsession with preventing adults from obtaining vegetation to burn and inhale be it tobacco or marijuana, borders on the stupid.

Fixed that so I could agree with you.
 
2012-04-27 09:52:44 AM  

Private_Citizen: It's their country, and I know some of the citizens don't like being known as a vacation spot for drug tourists.

Still, loosing such a huge chunk of revenue seems stupid and short sighted. When I went, a coffee shop visit made the Van Gogh museum and the Rijksmuseum MUCH more interesting. Sadly, nothing made Tulips, wooden shoes and toy windmills fascinating.

/so long ago I paid in guilders.


Well, they won't be loosing any revenue unless they are going on a wild party or letting the hounds run wild. On the other hand they might lose some revenue, up to them.
 
2012-04-27 09:53:26 AM  

farkeruk: topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

They also go for the "banana show".

There's 2 things that are worth going to Amsterdam for that aren't sleazy:-
1. The Architecture
2. The Anne Frank House

The food is basically terrible, except for the rijstaffel (which is an Indonesian import). The art museums are OK, but Paris or Madrid are better. The weather is terrible. The shopping isn't great.

Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House. Did a canal boat trip. Went to the Van Gogh Museum. That was about 1 and a half days of our trip. After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.

Yet, it's one of the most visited cities in Europe. But nothing to do with smoking weed...



You are retarded. I lived in Amsterdam for a year, working at a variety of scratch jobs. I ate fresh delicious food at a farmers market 5 times a week, amazing restaurants when I could afford it, wandered all over the city on foot and bicycle, spent hours in the museums, parks, curio shops and book shops, learned to despise Morrocans, and went to a cafe maybe twice. The redlight district was similarly boring as hell after the first visit. Brooncafes, on the other hand, where you can get Dutch gin and its against the rules to make noise? farking awesome. Its an amazing city, and I'd like to retire there. Never seen such a well put together place or people with more collective got-it-togetherness. Seriously, Moroccans are scum, tho.
 
2012-04-27 09:55:06 AM  

fireclown: I see some of their point. The weed cafes ARE a bit of a magnet for filthy stoner backpacker types, which in turn brings some petty crime and quality of life issues. It might get on my nerves if I actually had to live with it.


snocone: Stoping the ugly American tourists is exactly what they have in mind.
Wonder why?

/apparently the money is not enough to endure the heat they must take


Private_Citizen: It's their country, and I know some of the citizens don't like being known as a vacation spot for drug tourists.



I know it's a crazy suggestion that teeters on the edge of madness.... but maybe - just maybe - you all should RTFA. If you did, you probably wouldn't have made those posts.

If you still don't want to bother, I'll sum it up for you. Basically, the tourism to Amsterdam isn't the issue and the folks in Amsterdam all want an exception carved out for them. The problem is that folks in adjacent European countries are hopping the border to buy massive quantities of drugs in border towns and then causing problems while smuggling it back over the border to the other European countries. The central government wrote a law with new restrictions which is felt to be overly broad, and would also impact the cafes in Amsterdam who don't have those problems.
 
2012-04-27 09:55:41 AM  

topcon: And we've got a typical American moron over here.

"DURR, PEOPLE ONLY GO TO THE NETHERLANDS TO SMOKE POT."


You're right, he forgot the all-night booze and prostitutes.
 
2012-04-27 09:57:17 AM  

willfullyobscure: where you can get Dutch gin


Factoid: the Dutch invented gin, not the British. But the Brits did make it their own.

You points are well taken that Amsterdam is so much more that weed and blow jobs.
 
2012-04-27 09:57:48 AM  

CujoQuarrel: The food isn't any good? I've never seen so may ethnic restaurants in one place in my life. Tried several and all were pretty good (did like the Indonesean best)

Museums on every corner. Beautiful countryside. Friendly people.

You could only find a day and a halfs worth of things to do? Amazing. I could spend that in any one of their museums.

The French may have more museums but they have a major disadvantage in the fact that they are full of French people.

I can see not wanting to have to deal with a bunch of tourists whose main goal is to sit around turning their brains off so they can be stupid. Stoned people are annoying. Not as annoying as drunks but close. And no , I will not give you a Euro.


The National Gallery is good, but I find myself losing all sense with galleries after a few paintings - they just become a blur to me. I can see plenty of old paintings down the road in the Ashmolean in Oxford, or a little further and get all of London's galleries. I can also get all the same food in London.
 
2012-04-27 10:02:08 AM  
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2012-04-27 10:03:58 AM  
rkeruk: Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House.

I went there, mostly because I read the Diary of Anne Frank in HS. Wow, it was SAD! And tiny.

I though the Rijksmuseum was much better. Although, a conversation I had with a guard at the Van Goh museum was kind of funny:
Me: I've looked everywhere, where can I find 'Sunflowers'?
Guard: New York.
Me: 'Starry nights'?
Guard: New York.
Me: Huh.
 
2012-04-27 10:06:10 AM  
I'd have to think it would eat into tourist dollars a little. At minimum, the "coffee shops" have to be upset about this lost revenue.

I can't blame the locals for not wanting to deal with the idiot stoners. I'm all for legalizing, but I'd HATE to deal with stoner morons with dreads and Bob Marley t-shirts in my neighborhood everyday.
 
2012-04-27 10:09:45 AM  
I'll be there this weekend for Konneginnedag (sp). Frankly I'd love to see the ban as Amsterdam has turned into a complete hole. It would be a lot nicer town without the type of crowd that's only there to get "totally wasted man". Best tip is to stay out near the coast somewhere and take the train into the city. It's only 40 minutes and you get the bonus of Dutch beach babes which beats the Anne Frank House any day of the week.
 
2012-04-27 10:10:49 AM  
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2012-04-27 10:11:08 AM  

JackieRabbit: Factoid: the Dutch invented gin, not the British. But the Brits did make it their own.


buurtlink.nl

Jenever doesn't have the same juniper characteristic as English dry gin, but I've warmed up to it quite nicely nonetheless.
 
2012-04-27 10:11:23 AM  

ringersol:
The Dutch are taking careful aim at their foot on this one. They may want to take a moment to consider their assumptions.


The problem is that everyone knows this. Ban the coffee shops and you'll get street dealers. Those dealers won't care about quality anywhere as much and might also offer, at a special price just for you, some cocaine. Unfortunately the political parties that are in power at the moment are of the more retarded variation. But with the coalition having broken up we'll probably have elections in a few months. Let's hope for some smarter politicians in the next batch.
 
2012-04-27 10:21:02 AM  

willfullyobscure: You are retarded. I lived in Amsterdam for a year, working at a variety of scratch jobs. I ate fresh delicious food at a farmers market 5 times a week, amazing restaurants when I could afford it, wandered all over the city on foot and bicycle, spent hours in the museums, parks, curio shops and book shops, learned to despise Morrocans, and went to a cafe maybe twice. The redlight district was similarly boring as hell after the first visit.


I can eat fresh, delicious food at a farmers market in London, go to amazing restaurants in London when I can afford it, walk around London, spend hours in the museums, parks, curio shops and book shops.

So, why would I spend all the time and money of going to Amsterdam when I can do the same same shiat that I can do in 40 minutes by train and have more time and money to spend there?

We're not talking about living in a place, but tourism. Paris and Rome get far more visitors than say, Brussels and that's because of the amount of unique shiat that they've got. People aren't going to travel to see the same things they've got at home. You want to see the Colloseum or the Villa d'Este? You need to haul your ass to Rome because that's the only place you're going to see it.
 
2012-04-27 10:38:16 AM  

farkeruk: So, why would I spend all the time and money of going to Amsterdam when I can do the same same shiat that I can do in 40 minutes by train and have more time and money to spend there?


Well, you can't visit the Helen Keller House in London, nor the Van Morrison museum.
 
2012-04-27 10:41:13 AM  
Eveyone knows that its not just pot that brings people to the Netherlands. Its the prostitutes...

Won't anyone think of the prostitutes?
 
2012-04-27 10:41:53 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Exactly. The problem isn't American tourists coming over to smoke pot, it's the French and German fast boys driving over to get their stash and their home-countries complaining.


I am unfamiliar with this term. When I google it all I get is a wing hut in Jacksonville.

I didn't think that the coffee houses would sell you a proper stash. If I remember correctly they would only sell you a small amount. I had assumed that it was to prevent people from buying a stash.
 
2012-04-27 10:48:00 AM  
Ignorant or not, my impression of Amsterdam is a quaint little city where the law doesnt bother you for procuring hookers or pot (filthy bunch of heathens!). This is all the information Ive ever heard from the media and 2nd hand accounts. I assure you, a lot of people have also been led to believe this. Like how a lot of America sees Los Angeles as a glamorous place for business types and actors to go, an actual honest to goodness big time city where all your dreams may come true with hard work and that break. In reality, much of CA sees Los Angeles as that immigrant-teeming shiathole with unbearable traffic.

/Never understood the urge for people to fly internationally to get high
//Go to California or Colorado, load up craigslist, and check out the Health and Beauty products for sale
///You may have to bullshiat a couple "Oh man I left my rec at home" bit... Maybr. Probably not.
 
2012-04-27 10:48:51 AM  
 
2012-04-27 10:49:08 AM  

Private_Citizen: Barricaded Gunman: Private_Citizen: When I went, a coffee shop visit made the Van Gogh museum and the Rijksmuseum MUCH more interesting.

Absolutely. I remember stopping by Rookie's for an early morning "coffee" and then spending the day cruising from museum to museum via water taxi.... amazing art and gorgeous architecture all around... a really wonderful time.

But when you visit the areas that cater exclusively to stoner frat-boy types, all the shops are selling nothing but bongs and Bob Marley tapestries and it's like being stuck in the touristy part of Haight-Ashbury. I can see why people living in those areas would support this law, if only to reduce the a-hole quotient of their neighborhood.

Didn't really visit those areas, but I believe you. Still, rather than a blanket prohibition, perhaps a better answer would be specific laws meant to reduce the a-hole quotient. Things like strong fines for peeing in alleys (or the canals), fines for littering, loud behavior after a certain time, etc. You could class up the area by cracking down on the louts, and still allow tourists to try something new if they wish.

In other words, don't punish everyone for the actions of a few bad actors.


But that's how it works. All it takes is one asshole to ruin it for everyone else.
 
2012-04-27 10:54:12 AM  

farkeruk: willfullyobscure: You are retarded. I lived in Amsterdam for a year, working at a variety of scratch jobs. I ate fresh delicious food at a farmers market 5 times a week, amazing restaurants when I could afford it, wandered all over the city on foot and bicycle, spent hours in the museums, parks, curio shops and book shops, learned to despise Morrocans, and went to a cafe maybe twice. The redlight district was similarly boring as hell after the first visit.

I can eat fresh, delicious food at a farmers market in London, go to amazing restaurants in London when I can afford it, walk around London, spend hours in the museums, parks, curio shops and book shops.

So, why would I spend all the time and money of going to Amsterdam when I can do the same same shiat that I can do in 40 minutes by train and have more time and money to spend there?

We're not talking about living in a place, but tourism. Paris and Rome get far more visitors than say, Brussels and that's because of the amount of unique shiat that they've got. People aren't going to travel to see the same things they've got at home. You want to see the Colloseum or the Villa d'Este? You need to haul your ass to Rome because that's the only place you're going to see it.


I never ran out of touristy stuff to do in a year, but somehow you couldn't make it through a weekend without being bored to tears? Where *could* the problem lie?

The Filmmuseum alone is worth a weekend, especially now that it moved out of Vondelpark, so there's less chance on getting peed on by a naked person.
 
2012-04-27 10:54:55 AM  

nekom: PonceAlyosha: The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.

How exactly is that THEIR problem? It's legal there, it's not legal in other countries. That sounds like a problem that starts at the border of another country. I would only imagine that customs looks just a bit harder for drugs for tourists returning from Amsterdam than elsewhere.


not quite hard enough...in 2004 the only place the german police did NOT search in my rented benz was my (then-)wife's purse. thank GAWD that's the only place she had the green stuff! i was not a smoker. i damn near had a heart attack that day at the german border
 
2012-04-27 10:55:07 AM  

D_Evans45: //Go to California or Colorado, load up craigslist, and check out the Health and Beauty products for sale


While we have the lawbooks out, what the hell IS the law on weed in Colorado? Particularly in Summit county?
I see prices for weed in grocery stores, but I'm not sure if I need a prescription or if small amounts are legal or what.
 
2012-04-27 10:57:32 AM  
ps...amsterdam is FAR more than weed and hookers. although i've spent about a whole paycheck on the latter in my trips to that city.

it is an extremely gorgeous and unique city, and the majority of people i encountered there (native or otherwise) were laid back and friendly. and no i'm not just talking about hookers in their work positions...the people on the streets and in the shops were very nice
 
2012-04-27 11:06:03 AM  
I love Amsterdam. The people are awesomely nice, it's very interestingly laid out, the canals are gorgeous, and the beer is fantastic.

The people just can't read a map to save their dang life.
 
2012-04-27 11:07:24 AM  
I just finished listening to The Good Thief's Guide to Amstermam. That book, like many other good books, makes me want to visit the city.
 
2012-04-27 11:14:50 AM  
I see this largely being ignored - they don't have the manpower to police it. Same for the smoking ban - there are now a ton of loopholes and people still smoke in cafes after 9pm. So, this will no doubt go the same route. It's still considered "soft crime," and you buying weed in cafes is the least of the country's worries.

As my hubster would say, "The Hague (where laws are made) is very far away..."
 
2012-04-27 11:17:51 AM  

bikerdiva: As my hubster would say, "The Hague (where laws are made) is very far away..."


a mere 61km away
 
2012-04-27 11:18:14 AM  
Netherlands? more like Neanderthals.
 
2012-04-27 11:18:55 AM  

bungle_jr: bikerdiva: As my hubster would say, "The Hague (where laws are made) is very far away..."

a mere 61km away


Trust me, in traffic here that is a VERY far away
 
2012-04-27 11:18:58 AM  

bungle_jr: bikerdiva: As my hubster would say, "The Hague (where laws are made) is very far away..."

a mere 61km away


ok...somehow there is a filter that took away my faux-tags...i had it "tagged" as anti-joke-chicken
 
2012-04-27 11:19:12 AM  

fireclown: D_Evans45: //Go to California or Colorado, load up craigslist, and check out the Health and Beauty products for sale

While we have the lawbooks out, what the hell IS the law on weed in Colorado? Particularly in Summit county?
I see prices for weed in grocery stores, but I'm not sure if I need a prescription or if small amounts are legal or what.



I don't know about your states laws, I live in CA, but Colorado is the only state that is more liberal than us re: pot. I would get a medical recommendation, they're $45-55 generally for a one year period, and youre legally allowed to carry out anything shy of a half-pound/pound out here (overkill). In CA you can walk in, tell the physician you have anxiety, depression, sleeping problems, any ailments that you wont necessarily need documentation for (for instance, dont try to tell a doctor you have a torn up back and need pot, he'll want proof). But generally it is a revolving door, I get the impression they are trying to weed cops out of the screening process (who might be trying to seize on lax business procedure), not turn anyone down for a prescription.

You might want to ask a local resident or consult Norml.org.
 
2012-04-27 11:19:55 AM  

bikerdiva: bungle_jr: bikerdiva: As my hubster would say, "The Hague (where laws are made) is very far away..."

a mere 61km away

Trust me, in traffic here that is a VERY far away


i believe that...although i never went in that direction...coming from germany until you get near the city it's really not a bad drive at all
 
2012-04-27 11:21:14 AM  

bungle_jr: bikerdiva: bungle_jr: bikerdiva: As my hubster would say, "The Hague (where laws are made) is very far away..."

a mere 61km away

Trust me, in traffic here that is a VERY far away

i believe that...although i never went in that direction...coming from germany until you get near the city it's really not a bad drive at all


The A1 yes? Was on it earlier today
 
2012-04-27 11:26:38 AM  

bikerdiva: bungle_jr: bikerdiva: bungle_jr: bikerdiva: As my hubster would say, "The Hague (where laws are made) is very far away..."

a mere 61km away

Trust me, in traffic here that is a VERY far away

i believe that...although i never went in that direction...coming from germany until you get near the city it's really not a bad drive at all

The A1 yes? Was on it earlier today


ja

i REALLY miss that part of the world...germany, netherlands, etc...one of these years i'll be able to afford to go back!
 
2012-04-27 11:30:12 AM  

D_Evans45: fireclown: D_Evans45: //Go to California or Colorado, load up craigslist, and check out the Health and Beauty products for sale

While we have the lawbooks out, what the hell IS the law on weed in Colorado? Particularly in Summit county?
I see prices for weed in grocery stores, but I'm not sure if I need a prescription or if small amounts are legal or what.


I don't know about your states laws, I live in CA, but Colorado is the only state that is more liberal than us re: pot. I would get a medical recommendation, they're $45-55 generally for a one year period, and youre legally allowed to carry out anything shy of a half-pound/pound out here (overkill). In CA you can walk in, tell the physician you have anxiety, depression, sleeping problems, any ailments that you wont necessarily need documentation for (for instance, dont try to tell a doctor you have a torn up back and need pot, he'll want proof). But generally it is a revolving door, I get the impression they are trying to weed cops out of the screening process (who might be trying to seize on lax business procedure), not turn anyone down for a prescription.

You might want to ask a local resident or consult Norml.org.



Not so. You should check out the pot laws in Alaska. It's totally legal under state law to possess up to four ounces or 25 plants for personal use. Seriously.
 
2012-04-27 11:30:15 AM  

topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.


They go for the whores too.
 
2012-04-27 11:34:39 AM  

A Leaf in Fall: I love Amsterdam. The people are awesomely nice, it's very interestingly laid out, the canals are gorgeous, and the beer is fantastic.

The people just can't read a map to save their dang life.


I was in Amsterdam a couple of times in the late 90's and I had forgotten how much trouble I had navigating for some reason -- I can speak some German, but had a lot of trouble with deciphering Dutch so I had to base everything off of the train station.

I'm sure it had nothing to do with the weed.
 
2012-04-27 11:38:57 AM  
There's nothing like waking up on a nice sunny day.....go to a shop for coffee and breakfast and smoke....then enjoy a few hours of walking outside taking in the beauty.....to stop then and get lunch...and smoke.....then do some more sight seeing.....the smoke and get dinner.....then smoke and get laid.....then smoke and go to bed.

That would be a damn good day in my book!
 
2012-04-27 11:42:35 AM  

farkeruk: topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

They also go for the "banana show".

There's 2 things that are worth going to Amsterdam for that aren't sleazy:-
1. The Architecture
2. The Anne Frank House

The food is basically terrible, except for the rijstaffel (which is an Indonesian import). The art museums are OK, but Paris or Madrid are better. The weather is terrible. The shopping isn't great.

Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House. Did a canal boat trip. Went to the Van Gogh Museum. That was about 1 and a half days of our trip. After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.

Yet, it's one of the most visited cities in Europe. But nothing to do with smoking weed...


Dude. If you missed out on eating a stroopwafel, you should shoot yourself.

/My mouth is watering thinking about them... I wish they were easy to find here, but glad they aren't or I'd be 300 pounds by now.
 
2012-04-27 11:44:41 AM  

D_Evans45: Never understood the urge for people to fly internationally to get high


A lot of leisure travel is about social status. People go places to tell their non-friends where they went.
 
2012-04-27 11:44:51 AM  

mongbiohazard: D_Evans45:I don't know about your states laws, I live in CA, but Colorado is the only state that is more liberal than us re: pot.


Not so. You should check out the pot laws in Alaska. It's totally legal under state law to possess up to four ounces or 25 plants for personal use. Seriously.



Even the CA default state guidelines are double that weight limit, and several counties allow way more than that. As in, upwards of 2 pounds.

Also, we get away with square footage of plant canopy, plant number irrelevant. Until recent years we were allowed 100 sq ft of canopy in some Northern CA counties, though a quick skim of this link shows many have scaled it to 50-75 sq ft of canopy in the past couple years. Mendocino had a 99 plant limit until 3 months ago.

/Awesome to hear Alaska has gained a rep for compassion though
 
2012-04-27 11:47:10 AM  
We are only allowed 12 by default though.

/Nobody ever checks on your plant count anyway
//Also, what do you need 25 plants for
 
2012-04-27 11:51:14 AM  
http://www.canorml.org/medical-marijuana/local-growing-limits-in-Calif ornia

/Sorry mongbiohazard, this was the link I mentioned in my original post
 
2012-04-27 11:54:41 AM  

farkeruk: D_Evans45: Never understood the urge for people to fly internationally to get high

A lot of leisure travel is about social status. People go places to tell their non-friends where they went.


That may well be the reason actually. Just so they can tell their stoner friends "Dude, I like TOTALLY got high in Amsterdam man. And dude, it was like... WOAH I'm high... and I'm like in Amsterdam man. It was wild!"

Because as a practical matter, you can procure marijuana of high quality anywhere in the free world at a price that reflects the risk involved. You could probably grow your own for personal use with very minimal risk unless you're some kind of Cheech and Chong like super stoner (and if you are, you may have a problem). If you just have the urge to get high, you don't need a plane ticket to achieve that goal.
 
2012-04-27 11:58:06 AM  
40% of tourists go to Holland to get high.
 
2012-04-27 11:58:44 AM  

nekom: farkeruk: D_Evans45: Never understood the urge for people to fly internationally to get high

A lot of leisure travel is about social status. People go places to tell their non-friends where they went.

That may well be the reason actually. Just so they can tell their stoner friends "Dude, I like TOTALLY got high in Amsterdam man. And dude, it was like... WOAH I'm high... and I'm like in Amsterdam man. It was wild!"

Because as a practical matter, you can procure marijuana of high quality anywhere in the free world at a price that reflects the risk involved. You could probably grow your own for personal use with very minimal risk unless you're some kind of Cheech and Chong like super stoner (and if you are, you may have a problem). If you just have the urge to get high, you don't need a plane ticket to achieve that goal.


i'm fairly certain i could pull off transporting and possibly plant growth with no suspicion of my doing so. i'm such and unnoticeable type when it comes to that sort of thing, and the fact that i don't partake means i won't run any risk of getting high on my own supply. the only thing that even stopped me from doing this about 6 to 8 years ago was the fact that the tiny chance of getting caught would indeed exist. i ain't cut out for prison or a record!
 
2012-04-27 12:10:45 PM  

bungle_jr: i'm fairly certain i could pull off transporting and possibly plant growth with no suspicion of my doing so. i'm such and unnoticeable type when it comes to that sort of thing, and the fact that i don't partake means i won't run any risk of getting high on my own supply. the only thing that even stopped me from doing this about 6 to 8 years ago was the fact that the tiny chance of getting caught would indeed exist. i ain't cut out for prison or a record!


Yeah, I don't know a lot about marijuana law but I'm fairly certain being caught growing or distributing it has far greater consequences than simply having a joint in your pocket. I'd never take that risk either, though if I wanted to smoke it, I probably would have a very small growing operation for my personal use only and I very much doubt it would ever be detected. But I gave that stuff up years ago.
 
2012-04-27 12:11:12 PM  
This is a clear violation of EU law and would in all probability be overturned on appeal.
 
2012-04-27 12:17:55 PM  

nekom: If you just have the urge to get high, you don't need a plane ticket to achieve that goal.


Exactly

I meet parents who go to Florida from the UK to go to Disneyland, when there's a park in Paris that's like 2 hours away by train and costs a fraction of the price with no jet lag. They're like "oh, but the Florida park is better", like they're not the same rides, the same queues and all that. If I'm going to change my budget from £800 to £4000, then I expect a Disney Princess to rim me for the price.
 
2012-04-27 12:20:16 PM  

farkeruk: topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

They also go for the "banana show".

There's 2 things that are worth going to Amsterdam for that aren't sleazy:-
1. The Architecture
2. The Anne Frank House

The food is basically terrible, except for the rijstaffel (which is an Indonesian import). The art museums are OK, but Paris or Madrid are better. The weather is terrible. The shopping isn't great.

Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House. Did a canal boat trip. Went to the Van Gogh Museum. That was about 1 and a half days of our trip. After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.

Yet, it's one of the most visited cities in Europe. But nothing to do with smoking weed...


Amsterdam had some fantastic Thai restaurants which surprised me...though after noticing how many lovely SE Asian hookers there were it started to make sense.

Aw come on, the Van Gogh and Rijksmuseum are pretty amazing. Way better than someplace like the goddamn Uffizzi; I'd rather see a hundred Van Goghs or various dutch old masters than a hundred different artists' take on another damn Pietà.

Missed the Anne Frank house. To my shame, the day we planned to go started with a 9:30 am tour of the Heineken brewery and meeting a couple British girls...the rest of the day got kind of hazy.
 
2012-04-27 12:20:45 PM  
I need some Febo snacks after following this thread.
 
2012-04-27 12:30:09 PM  

Gabrielmot: farkeruk: topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

They also go for the "banana show".

There's 2 things that are worth going to Amsterdam for that aren't sleazy:-
1. The Architecture
2. The Anne Frank House

The food is basically terrible, except for the rijstaffel (which is an Indonesian import). The art museums are OK, but Paris or Madrid are better. The weather is terrible. The shopping isn't great.

Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House. Did a canal boat trip. Went to the Van Gogh Museum. That was about 1 and a half days of our trip. After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.

Yet, it's one of the most visited cities in Europe. But nothing to do with smoking weed...

Dude. If you missed out on eating a stroopwafel, you should shoot yourself.

/My mouth is watering thinking about them... I wish they were easy to find here, but glad they aren't or I'd be 300 pounds by now.


I miss stroopwafels. Also, Castell gave me one of the best steaks I have ever eaten. Bonus: on the menu, the "Holandes Goucho" English translation is "Dutch fat ass steak".

/Moved there 6 months for work, loved it even as a non-smoker.
 
2012-04-27 12:30:35 PM  

bikerdiva: I need some Febo snacks after following this thread.


i662.photobucket.com

Someone say Febo?
 
2012-04-27 12:36:06 PM  
Dude who said the food was crap must be eating in all of the wrong places.

This was the first course of our rice table.

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Then came this.

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After a visit to the coffeeshop we had this.

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Then you top it off with this.

i662.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-27 12:51:48 PM  
The ghost of Vincent Vega has a sad.
 
2012-04-27 12:54:30 PM  

farkeruk: After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.


DUDE THATS WHY YOU GOTTA GET BAKED
 
2012-04-27 01:05:44 PM  
Just got back from Amsterdam- first trip, and I loved it! The Van Gogh museum was a highlight for me, saw In The Bedroom for the second time in my life and his life story is pretty fascinating. I personally enjoyed it more than the Louvre.

The one mistake we made was staying in a huge hotel right on the border of the RLD. It was noisy all hours of the night and it felt rather sketchy if you went outside after a certain time. That didn't ruin my good time though and on a whole I felt very safe in Amsterdam. We encountered some very nice and welcoming people and not just in the more touristy districts of town.

It would be a shame to not allow foreigners into the coffee shops though. It was an interesting experience, and isn't that what traveling is all about?
 
2012-04-27 01:20:49 PM  
All I remember about Amsterdam is getting out of my bunk one morning at Bob's Youth Hostel (yah rly), stumbling downstairs at 7:30am for the included breakfast, and sitting next to a guy smoking a joint the size of a cigar (no joke). At breakfast. Before 8am. I'm all for kicking back but that dude has a problem.
 
2012-04-27 01:33:47 PM  

fireclown: D_Evans45: //Go to California or Colorado, load up craigslist, and check out the Health and Beauty products for sale

While we have the lawbooks out, what the hell IS the law on weed in Colorado? Particularly in Summit county?
I see prices for weed in grocery stores, but I'm not sure if I need a prescription or if small amounts are legal or what.


In Colorado you need a medical marijuana card to legally buy and possess the herb. You must be a Colorado citizen, get a doctors recommendation and submit it and other paperwork to the state. They will then issue you a card. This will allow you to possess 6 plants and up to 2 oz in possession. Don't know what you are talking regarding weed in a grocery store. Only licensed MMJ dispenaries are allowed to sell the herb.

//There is a ballot initiative on the 2012 ballot to allow anyone 21 or older to possess 6 plants and one oz.
 
2012-04-27 01:33:50 PM  
I got an idea, why don't all the countries of the world ban together and enforce one set of laws?
 
2012-04-27 01:42:28 PM  

Dreyelle: I got an idea, why don't all the countries of the world ban together and enforce one set of laws?


You'd like to get in on that "farewell sex," wouldn't you?
 
2012-04-27 01:51:56 PM  

towatchoverme: Coming on a Bicycle: Exactly. The problem isn't American tourists coming over to smoke pot, it's the French and German fast boys driving over to get their stash and their home-countries complaining.

THIS.

Germany is putting the pressure on Holland because they have their lederhosen in a wad.

If I were living in Holland, I'd tell Fritz to climb up on a chair and bite my lanky Dutch ass.



The phrase you are looking for is "give me back my bike".

That's how the Dutch insult the Germans.

/Amsterdammer
 
2012-04-27 02:07:51 PM  

Dreyelle: I got an idea, why don't all the countries of the world ban together and enforce one set of laws?


More money/graft in this system.
 
2012-04-27 02:33:50 PM  

farkeruk: topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

They also go for the "banana show".

There's 2 things that are worth going to Amsterdam for that aren't sleazy:-
1. The Architecture
2. The Anne Frank House

The food is basically terrible, except for the rijstaffel (which is an Indonesian import). The art museums are OK, but Paris or Madrid are better. The weather is terrible. The shopping isn't great.

Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House. Did a canal boat trip. Went to the Van Gogh Museum. That was about 1 and a half days of our trip. After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.

Yet, it's one of the most visited cities in Europe. But nothing to do with smoking weed...


Your description mirrors everything I've ever heard about Amsterdam, but most have mentioned the Heineken brewery also.
 
2012-04-27 02:39:44 PM  
That CO would allow only 6 plants and 2 ounces surprises me, I was under the impression CO was more MMJ friendly than CA was. I certainly hope the fair CO residents don't ever have to deal with the sweeping fed crackdown that we've seen all over southern CA in the past few months.

I think that plant count is a gray area anyway. There is no policing agency that monitors every medical patients garden from time to time to enforce anybody's plant count. There is no registry you are required to enroll in or anything either to grow. Nobody knows how many medical patients are growing, and if they are, how many plants they are growing. If your neighbors call the cops because it smells like a bunch of skunks killed each other in your backyard around harvest season, you might get a visit from local cops. Youre cop fodder if youre over the limit.

If you dont draw attention to yourself, nobody but you will know your plant count. You can have a house full of plants flowering at all times if nobody else knows, no agency is coming by and enforcing the plant limits. People do it here in California all the time, quite a lot of the medical pot sold here is generated in this fashion. If I didnt have a family, Id have a whole garden inside too, not just a single plant outside like I do today. Pot fetches $1500-$3,000 a pound, and it grows like dandelions.
 
2012-04-27 02:40:48 PM  

danno_to_infinity: well, now I won't even bother getting a passport. No need to ever go to Europe. Thanks, stupid judge


While I agree it's a stupid move, so is traveling to Europe just to get some weed. Or not going to Europe just because you can't get weed (legally).
 
2012-04-27 02:55:44 PM  

topcon: Walker: topcon: Walker: Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.

If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

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And we've got a typical American moron over here.

"DURR, PEOPLE ONLY GO TO THE NETHERLANDS TO SMOKE POT."


FTFA, DURR: "the nationwide ban is being strongly opposed by the Mayor of Amsterdam, Eberhard van der Laan, because around a third of the city's tourists visit to smoke cannabis in the cafes."

/Realize that Amsterdam isn't "the Netherlands"
Realize that 1/3 is not most or all, but it's a large number.
 
2012-04-27 03:09:40 PM  
Sorry Stoner Dudes, Amsterdam just got a lot less cooler.
Hookers still available for window shoppers.
Mayor afraid of huge decrease in tourism. Lemme see. Anne Frank Haus, Rijksmuseum, Vincent Van Gogh. Yeah, no reason t
o visit.
 
2012-04-27 03:17:09 PM  
Finally Big Pharma lobbyists have bought off the Dutch government. I never thought I'd see the day.
 
2012-04-27 03:38:16 PM  
The street cars will hit you if you are in the way, they will not stop for your drunk ass.

Friends learned this the hard way my last visit there.
 
2012-04-27 03:38:46 PM  

D_Evans45: mongbiohazard: D_Evans45:I don't know about your states laws, I live in CA, but Colorado is the only state that is more liberal than us re: pot.


Not so. You should check out the pot laws in Alaska. It's totally legal under state law to possess up to four ounces or 25 plants for personal use. Seriously.


Even the CA default state guidelines are double that weight limit, and several counties allow way more than that. As in, upwards of 2 pounds.

Also, we get away with square footage of plant canopy, plant number irrelevant. Until recent years we were allowed 100 sq ft of canopy in some Northern CA counties, though a quick skim of this link shows many have scaled it to 50-75 sq ft of canopy in the past couple years. Mendocino had a 99 plant limit until 3 months ago.

/Awesome to hear Alaska has gained a rep for compassion though



Nice! I didn't realize it was square footage... That's pretty cool. With a fraction of that square footage I could keep myself in sticky icky all year. But is that really all allowed for personal use? I was under the impression that the state law required a medical referral, and that you'd have to register to be a grower - that you couldn't just grow for personal use.

The magic of the Alaska law is that you don't have to register anything or get a doctor referral or anything else.... It was deemed a state constitutional right for every citizen to grow and smoke their own marijuana.
 
2012-04-27 03:40:25 PM  

willfullyobscure: Brooncafes, on the other hand, where you can get Dutch gin and its against the rules to make noise?


\Looks in liquor cabinet at bottles of genever.

It's not that hard to come by.
 
2012-04-27 03:41:31 PM  

Private_Citizen: I though the Rijksmuseum was much better. Although, a conversation I had with a guard at the Van Goh museum was kind of funny:
Me: I've looked everywhere, where can I find 'Sunflowers'?
Guard: New York.
Me: 'Starry nights'?
Guard: New York.
Me: Huh.


They brought them over when it was still New Amsterdam.
 
2012-04-27 03:57:09 PM  

farkeruk: nekom: If you just have the urge to get high, you don't need a plane ticket to achieve that goal.

Exactly

I meet parents who go to Florida from the UK to go to Disneyland, when there's a park in Paris that's like 2 hours away by train and costs a fraction of the price with no jet lag. They're like "oh, but the Florida park is better", like they're not the same rides, the same queues and all that. If I'm going to change my budget from £800 to £4000, then I expect a Disney Princess to rim me for the price.


The Disney complex in Florida is the largest single installation of amusement park infrastructure in world history. Four of the top-8 most attended amusement parks in the world are located there. It employs some 40,000 people, and has its own power plant and waterworks.

While the Magic Kingdom may compare to Disneyland Paris, Walt Disney World also encompasses the other three parks, two waterparks, two entertainment complexes, and 21 hotels. It is physically six times the size of Disneyland Paris, and has three times the annual attendance. It's like the difference between The Louvre and SF's de Young museum.
 
2012-04-27 04:18:05 PM  

nekom: Nurglitch: I heard that it's mainly a traffic issue to do with day tourists, people hopping over the border from neighboring countries. Apparently it clogs up their highways and such something fierce.

Well that would actually make sense, but there are other options to solve that. Build a drug superhighway perhaps.


And call it... The Autobong.
 
2012-04-27 04:22:14 PM  

snocone:
nontoxic herbs, not so much


If it's not toxic how is it manipulating your senses and thought process?
 
2012-04-27 04:30:18 PM  

mongbiohazard: D_Evans45:
...
Nice! I didn't realize it was square footage... That's pretty cool. With a fraction of that square footage I could keep myself in sticky icky all year. But is that really all allowed for personal use? I was under the impression that the state law required a medical referral, and that you'd have to register to be a grower - that you couldn't just grow for personal use.

The magic of the Alaska law is that you don't have to register anything or get a doctor referral or anything else.... It was deemed a state constitutional right for every citizen to grow and smoke their own marijuana.



Yeah personal use, though for legal reasons a lot of . Most of northern CA lets you grow like that. Down own in more populated areas they tend to regulate down, default is 12. There is a license you can apply for called a caregivers license, I dont know the specifics, those big time growers apply for that allows them to legally deal cannabis to a certain amount of people. But I get the feeling it is more of a legal "safety catch" so to speak to protect you when you are dealing big weight.

My everyday, run of the mill medical cannabis recommendation that is issued to everybody, not designated to growers, starts with this: "The purpose of this document is to identify the individual indicated above as a patient whose possession and/or cultivation of medical cannabis is permissible pursuant to CA Health and Safety Code Section 11362.5, Compassionate Use Act of 1996, (i.e. Prop 215) and Senate Bill 420."

You definitely must see a physician and claim an ailment before you are issued a rec though.
 
2012-04-27 04:31:55 PM  

T.M.S.: The phrase you are looking for is "give me back my bike".

That's how the Dutch insult the Germans.

/Amsterdammer


Jawel, ook dat.

My family members are more passive/aggressive.

They seem very polite to Germans, but give very bad directions.

/Zoon van een Amsterdammer
//Volgende jaar was de laatste keer dat ik in Nederland was
 
2012-04-27 05:05:00 PM  

fireclown: topcon: "DURR, PEOPLE ONLY GO TO THE NETHERLANDS TO SMOKE POT."

People probably don't go there as a stoner destination a whole lot unless they live pretty close by. But I would suspect that if you find yourself nearby you might stop by the cafe for a bong and a blintz. I have spent a whopping two days in Amsterdam but I made it a point to get baked.

/grist


I've been. I was in London for a while and decided to take a trip over there, while, you know, the coffeeshop culture still exists. Even back then they enacted some law to keep people from opening up new coffeeshops, so every once in a while a shop would close and it'd be gone for good, with none to replace it. Now with this new legislation it looks like they'll all be gone for good in a couple of years. Who do you think creates the demand for the coffeeshops? It isn't the native Dutch, or at least not to a degree to keep them all open. In just a few years the whole "you can smoke weed in Amsterdam pretty much completely legally" thing will be a thing of the past.

And damn, its nice over there. I've never smoked joints on the sidewalk in broad daylight so casually. Its a totally different experience, smoking in an environment where you don't have to worry about law enforcement or anything. In the US yeah sure you can find weed as good or better than what's in Amsterdam, but you don't get that kind of culture. And no matter where you smoke, its pretty much always against the law and you know deep down in your mind that if you get caught you'll get farked. You're much more mellow when that kind of thought doesn't even cross your mind.
 
2012-04-27 05:11:31 PM  

bikerdiva: I see this largely being ignored - they don't have the manpower to police it. Same for the smoking ban - there are now a ton of loopholes and people still smoke in cafes after 9pm. So, this will no doubt go the same route. It's still considered "soft crime," and you buying weed in cafes is the least of the country's worries.

As my hubster would say, "The Hague (where laws are made) is very far away..."


This is completely different from the smoking ban. It'll be like drinking age in the US, in order to even enter a coffeeshop you'll have to present proof of Dutch citizenship. They'll enforce it through fear, aka the idea that an undercover cop or whatever could drop by at any time and test them on their knowledge of the law. Same way they do in the US where undercover cops go to liquor stores and attempt to buy illegally. Shops that fail the test will definitely lose their license and the owner will probably face serious jailtime. The risks of that will be enforcement of the law, they won't have to station cops in every shop or anything like that.
 
2012-04-27 05:26:56 PM  
Best quote from the article:

The Dutch should not be allowed to discriminate against people on the basis of where they live.

Wow, imagine if that were true in the US. No out-of-state tuition, no "undocumented aliens", register your car in any county and pay any state's income tax (Florida FTW!), vote in any election anywhere. Because, hey, discrimination is evil.
 
2012-04-27 05:55:04 PM  

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/when you make locals long for nice American tourists, you've got a serious problem

Lol, I've been to Amsterdam twice and you couldn't be more right. The brits that go there are the most loud and obnoxious people I have ever met. That being said, if this passes I don't see myself going back. The way things are going the states (I'm looking at you Colorado and Washington) are going to have more liberalized weed laws anyway.


California's marijuana laws are practically the same as the Netherlands now. Only differences are you need a doctors note and we're allowed to have a much larger amount.
 
2012-04-27 06:27:41 PM  
Hmmm, looking back at the first sentence in my previous post, looks like I mangled the first sentence. I think you see what I mean though..
 
2012-04-27 10:27:40 PM  
As someone who has lived in Colorado and also spent significant time in Amsterdam (six weeks back in the guilder era, yes) I can say this is a stupid move.

Perhaps less than 1/3 pf the tourist (yes, even day-tourists) euros are spent in the coffee shop pursuit, but that's still a LOT of money.

That said, I loved Amsterdam (and Wassenaar and Leiden, etc, where I spent to much time) and there's a lot to see and do in that amazing country besides the coffee shops.

But I doubt I would have enjoyed the country or spent to much time there (and money!) without having those coffee shops available to me as an American tourist.

As far as Colorado goes, I so miss being able to obtain legal weed. Other than speeding occasionally, the only law I routinely break is purchasing weed. I don't plan on stopping soon, so I guess the stupid Prohibition of pot makes me a hardened criminal, and that's just a joke.
 
2012-04-28 09:08:30 AM  

ImDracula: Sorry Stoner Dudes, Amsterdam just got a lot less cooler.
Hookers still available for window shoppers.
Mayor afraid of huge decrease in tourism. Lemme see. Anne Frank Haus, Rijksmuseum, Vincent Van Gogh. Yeah, no reason to visit.


Barricaded Gunman: hasty ambush: Peoples obsession with preventing adults from obtaining vegetation to burn and inhale be it tobacco or marijuana, borders on the stupid.

Fixed that so I could agree with you.


Well that to, however on my list of priorities and concerns the legalization of pot ranks just above two guys who like to do each other being able to call themselves married and just below Naomi Wolfe being upset at Katie Perry.
 
2012-04-28 05:51:19 PM  

Zerocyde: snocone:
nontoxic herbs, not so much

If it's not toxic how is it manipulating your senses and thought process?



tox·ic [tok-sik] adjective
1. of, pertaining to, affected with, or caused by a toxin or poison: a toxic condition.

A toxin (from Greek: τοξικόν toxikon) is a poisonous substance produced within living cells or organisms.

WTF you talking about?
 
2012-04-29 02:07:04 PM  

snocone:

WTF you talking about?


If it influences your brain or nervous system it's a hepatotoxin. Also, I don't understand why you quoted a dictionary. Are you trying to imply that weed doesn't have living cells?
 
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