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(BBC)   Netherlands judge to decide whether foreign tourists should be banned from entering cannabis cafes. NOOOOOOO   (bbc.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-04-27 08:41:36 AM  
Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.
 
2012-04-27 08:46:49 AM  
Wouldn't that be like a Florida judge deciding whether foreign tourists should be banned from entering Disney?
 
2012-04-27 08:54:02 AM  
well, now I won't even bother getting a passport. No need to ever go to Europe. Thanks, stupid judge
 
2012-04-27 08:54:06 AM  
Brilliant! Enjoy losing 90% of that tourist money, Netherlands.
 
2012-04-27 08:55:24 AM  
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/when you make locals long for nice American tourists, you've got a serious problem
 
2012-04-27 08:56:54 AM  
This is stupid.
 
2012-04-27 08:59:09 AM  

Walker: Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.


If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.
 
2012-04-27 08:59:15 AM  
I see some of their point. The weed cafes ARE a bit of a magnet for filthy stoner backpacker types, which in turn brings some petty crime and quality of life issues. It might get on my nerves if I actually had to live with it.
 
2012-04-27 08:59:16 AM  
Good.
Maybe now they'll get with the rest of the civilized world and make narcotics illegal entirely.
 
2012-04-27 08:59:38 AM  
I'm thinking people primarily go there for the legal prostitutes rather than the herb, but yeah, it's in the top three.

/after tulips, of course... gotta love them tulips
 
2012-04-27 08:59:55 AM  
Stoping the ugly American tourists is exactly what they have in mind.
Wonder why?

/apparently the money is not enough to endure the heat they must take
 
2012-04-27 09:01:12 AM  

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/when you make locals long for nice American tourists, you've got a serious problem


Lol, I've been to Amsterdam twice and you couldn't be more right. The brits that go there are the most loud and obnoxious people I have ever met. That being said, if this passes I don't see myself going back. The way things are going the states (I'm looking at you Colorado and Washington) are going to have more liberalized weed laws anyway.
 
2012-04-27 09:01:30 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Good.
Maybe now they'll get with the rest of the civilized world and make narcotics illegal entirely.


narcotics, fine

nontoxic herbs, not so much
You need that stick up your ass surgerized.
 
2012-04-27 09:02:09 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Good.
Maybe now they'll get with the rest of the civilized world and make narcotics illegal entirely.


Why? Marijuana is not physically or psychologically harmful.
 
2012-04-27 09:02:18 AM  

topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.


This. Netherlands has world-famous brothels.
 
2012-04-27 09:03:31 AM  

topcon: Walker: Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.

If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.


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2012-04-27 09:03:44 AM  
It's their country, and I know some of the citizens don't like being known as a vacation spot for drug tourists.

Still, loosing such a huge chunk of revenue seems stupid and short sighted. When I went, a coffee shop visit made the Van Gogh museum and the Rijksmuseum MUCH more interesting. Sadly, nothing made Tulips, wooden shoes and toy windmills fascinating.

/so long ago I paid in guilders.
 
2012-04-27 09:04:39 AM  
The Dutch police will never enforce this...

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/good video here if you can make it through the ad
 
2012-04-27 09:04:45 AM  

snocone: Rev. Skarekroe: Good.
Maybe now they'll get with the rest of the civilized world and make narcotics illegal entirely.

narcotics, fine

nontoxic herbs, not so much
You need that stick up your ass surgerized.


You bin trolled.
Good one Rev.
 
2012-04-27 09:08:08 AM  

Walker: topcon: Walker: Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.

If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

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And we've got a typical American moron over here.

"DURR, PEOPLE ONLY GO TO THE NETHERLANDS TO SMOKE POT."
 
2012-04-27 09:09:39 AM  
Damn Nazi collaborators.
 
2012-04-27 09:10:19 AM  

Walker: Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.


If only there were some way the United States could capitalize on all those tourism dollars while our currency is weak in the global market making it an attractive destination. Too bad we can't think of something....
 
2012-04-27 09:11:51 AM  

Private_Citizen: Still, loosing such a huge chunk of revenue seems stupid and short sighted. When I went, a coffee shop visit made the Van Gogh museum and the Rijksmuseum MUCH more interesting. Sadly, nothing made Tulips, wooden shoes and toy windmills fascinating.


I guess the question would be just how much money tourists there to get their smoke on brings in. It may not be as substantial as one might think. And on the flip side, what are the disadvantages of drug tourism to them. Bad reputation? Would more people visit other things there if there weren't stoned tourists milling about?

Personally, I don't really see why anyone would go there just because marijuana is legal. Despite being illegal, if I wanted to (and I really don't), I could easily procure some with a risk so minimal as to be almost non-existent.
 
2012-04-27 09:13:24 AM  

nekom: I guess the question would be just how much money tourists there to get their smoke on brings in. It may not be as substantial as one might think. And on the flip side, what are the disadvantages of drug tourism to them. Bad reputation? Would more people visit other things there if there weren't stoned tourists milling about?


The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.
 
2012-04-27 09:14:23 AM  
Private_Citizen: When I went, a coffee shop visit made the Van Gogh museum and the Rijksmuseum MUCH more interesting.

Absolutely. I remember stopping by Rookie's for an early morning "coffee" and then spending the day cruising from museum to museum via water taxi.... amazing art and gorgeous architecture all around... a really wonderful time.

But when you visit the areas that cater exclusively to stoner frat-boy types, all the shops are selling nothing but bongs and Bob Marley tapestries and it's like being stuck in the touristy part of Haight-Ashbury. I can see why people living in those areas would support this law, if only to reduce the a-hole quotient of their neighborhood.
 
2012-04-27 09:16:03 AM  

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/when you make locals long for nice American tourists, you've got a serious problem

Lol, I've been to Amsterdam twice and you couldn't be more right. The brits that go there are the most loud and obnoxious people I have ever met. That being said, if this passes I don't see myself going back. The way things are going the states (I'm looking at you Colorado and Washington) are going to have more liberalized weed laws anyway.


That's the problem with cheap travel. It's £59 return flights to Amsterdam - hence you get the great unwashed able to get there within 45 minutes.

Could be worse though - it could be Majorca!
 
2012-04-27 09:16:42 AM  
Recently had a 13 hour layover in Amsterdam. What to do with half a day in Amsterdam?... Would hate to see them enforce this ban.
 
2012-04-27 09:17:29 AM  

abhorrent1: Brilliant! Enjoy losing 90% of that tourist money, Netherlands.


Really, 90% of their tourist traffic is stoners? That alone would provide incentive to diversify my tourist industry to draw in a higher class of tourists.
 
2012-04-27 09:17:54 AM  

PonceAlyosha: The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.


How exactly is that THEIR problem? It's legal there, it's not legal in other countries. That sounds like a problem that starts at the border of another country. I would only imagine that customs looks just a bit harder for drugs for tourists returning from Amsterdam than elsewhere.
 
2012-04-27 09:18:22 AM  

hasty ambush: abhorrent1: Brilliant! Enjoy losing 90% of that tourist money, Netherlands.

Really, 90% of their tourist traffic is stoners? That alone would provide incentive to diversify my tourist industry to draw in a higher class of tourists.


Higher class?
 
2012-04-27 09:20:59 AM  

topcon: "DURR, PEOPLE ONLY GO TO THE NETHERLANDS TO SMOKE POT."


People probably don't go there as a stoner destination a whole lot unless they live pretty close by. But I would suspect that if you find yourself nearby you might stop by the cafe for a bong and a blintz. I have spent a whopping two days in Amsterdam but I made it a point to get baked.

/grist
 
2012-04-27 09:21:07 AM  

topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.


They also go for the "banana show".

There's 2 things that are worth going to Amsterdam for that aren't sleazy:-
1. The Architecture
2. The Anne Frank House

The food is basically terrible, except for the rijstaffel (which is an Indonesian import). The art museums are OK, but Paris or Madrid are better. The weather is terrible. The shopping isn't great.

Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House. Did a canal boat trip. Went to the Van Gogh Museum. That was about 1 and a half days of our trip. After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.

Yet, it's one of the most visited cities in Europe. But nothing to do with smoking weed...
 
2012-04-27 09:21:42 AM  
I heard that it's mainly a traffic issue to do with day tourists, people hopping over the border from neighboring countries. Apparently it clogs up their highways and such something fierce.
 
2012-04-27 09:22:45 AM  

PonceAlyosha: nekom: I guess the question would be just how much money tourists there to get their smoke on brings in. It may not be as substantial as one might think. And on the flip side, what are the disadvantages of drug tourism to them. Bad reputation? Would more people visit other things there if there weren't stoned tourists milling about?

The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.


Exactly. The problem isn't American tourists coming over to smoke pot, it's the French and German fast boys driving over to get their stash and their home-countries complaining.
 
2012-04-27 09:23:34 AM  

Nurglitch: I heard that it's mainly a traffic issue to do with day tourists, people hopping over the border from neighboring countries. Apparently it clogs up their highways and such something fierce.


Well that would actually make sense, but there are other options to solve that. Build a drug superhighway perhaps.
 
2012-04-27 09:24:33 AM  

nekom: PonceAlyosha: The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.

How exactly is that THEIR problem? It's legal there, it's not legal in other countries. That sounds like a problem that starts at the border of another country. I would only imagine that customs looks just a bit harder for drugs for tourists returning from Amsterdam than elsewhere.


There are no customs except at entry points, like international airports. United Europe, remember?
You can drive right across Europe without having to deal with checkpoints.
 
2012-04-27 09:25:07 AM  
fireclown: "The weed cafes ARE a bit of a magnet for filthy stoner backpacker types, which in turn brings some petty crime and quality of life issues."

And bars don't attract drunks? And tourist destinations aren't a magnet for petty crimes in general?
(Tourists are easy marks. The marks bring the crime, not the tourist attraction.)
If the shops give rise to a problem, taxing the shops to pay for it seems like an enforceable alternative to an unenforceable mess. To say nothing of the unintended consequences of having a bunch of people who desire hash, being denied hash by shops that want to sell it to them and mere feet away from citizens who can legally buy and enjoy it. Remember that petty crime problem? Imagine how it's going to turn out when these tourists try to buy their hash from go-betweens.

The Dutch are taking careful aim at their foot on this one. They may want to take a moment to consider their assumptions.
 
2012-04-27 09:25:42 AM  

Tillmaster: nekom: PonceAlyosha: The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.

How exactly is that THEIR problem? It's legal there, it's not legal in other countries. That sounds like a problem that starts at the border of another country. I would only imagine that customs looks just a bit harder for drugs for tourists returning from Amsterdam than elsewhere.

There are no customs except at entry points, like international airports. United Europe, remember?
You can drive right across Europe without having to deal with checkpoints.


This is all a plan by the Netherlands to get people to immigrate.
 
2012-04-27 09:26:50 AM  

Nurglitch: I heard that it's mainly a traffic issue to do with day tourists, people hopping over the border from neighboring countries. Apparently it clogs up their highways and such something fierce.


Peoples obsession with obtaining vegetation to burn and inhale be it tobacco or marijuana, borders on the stupid.
 
2012-04-27 09:27:49 AM  

Walker: topcon: Walker: Don't most people go to the Netherlands just to look at the tulips? HAHAHAHAHAHA I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Get ready to see your tourism dollars plummet.
This just in....Las Vegas to ban tourists from gambling. Thinks everything will work out OK because people will come for the shows from 70's performers, Celine Dion, and Criss Angel.

If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

[img.photobucket.com image 640x495]


Congratulations, now you look even stupider.
 
2012-04-27 09:28:49 AM  
I go annually for a huge trade show at the RAI. It's quite amusing to see the suits head straight for the coffee shop right after the show each day

/but then again I'm a suit now
//and most suits are about my middle age, and grew up thinking it's no big deal
///so PERHAPS the thing to do is make it legal in other places and that would ease the NL "drug tourist" problem while keeping a fair bit of the income spent by tourists while there AND improving life in other places. Nah - too easy.
 
2012-04-27 09:28:55 AM  

Tillmaster: There are no customs except at entry points, like international airports. United Europe, remember?
You can drive right across Europe without having to deal with checkpoints.


Ah yes, the Eurozone and all that. I've never been there, but I have heard it's a different paradigm. Even before you needed a passport, you didn't just drive straight into Canada and back, still had to stop at customs. So basically driving from Germany into France would be akin from driving from Pennsylvania to Ohio, only with better beer and wine?
 
2012-04-27 09:30:29 AM  

Blueintheballs:
Could be worse though - it could be Majorca!


Bleeding Watney's Red Barrel!!!
 
2012-04-27 09:32:58 AM  
A complete lack of enforcement to begin in 5... 4... 3... 2...
 
2012-04-27 09:33:38 AM  
Read that as Neanderthal judge. Appropriate since banning cannabis is pretty Neanderthal thinking in this day and age.
 
2012-04-27 09:34:19 AM  
I'd be more interested in visiting Arnhem and Eindhoven, then cruise on down to Waterloo (in Belgium).
 
2012-04-27 09:34:20 AM  

farkeruk: topcon: If you think the only reason to visit The Netherlands is to smoke pot, you're a moron. If you think most people go to The Netherlands to smoke pot, you're also a moron.

They also go for the "banana show".

There's 2 things that are worth going to Amsterdam for that aren't sleazy:-
1. The Architecture
2. The Anne Frank House

The food is basically terrible, except for the rijstaffel (which is an Indonesian import). The art museums are OK, but Paris or Madrid are better. The weather is terrible. The shopping isn't great.

Had a long weekend there with my wife. Did the Anne Frank House. Did a canal boat trip. Went to the Van Gogh Museum. That was about 1 and a half days of our trip. After that, we were pretty bored for 3 days.

Yet, it's one of the most visited cities in Europe. But nothing to do with smoking weed...


The food isn't any good? I've never seen so may ethnic restaurants in one place in my life. Tried several and all were pretty good (did like the Indonesean best)

Museums on every corner. Beautiful countryside. Friendly people.

You could only find a day and a halfs worth of things to do? Amazing. I could spend that in any one of their museums.

The French may have more museums but they have a major disadvantage in the fact that they are full of French people.

I can see not wanting to have to deal with a bunch of tourists whose main goal is to sit around turning their brains off so they can be stupid. Stoned people are annoying. Not as annoying as drunks but close. And no , I will not give you a Euro.

And if nothing else there is the great amusement of going into the red light district and watching the people watch the girls in the windows. Followed a Japanese tourist group for at least an hour watching them react*.

* Well , until they all went into a banana show, the whole bus load of them.
 
2012-04-27 09:35:59 AM  
There's absolutely no way at all this will hold up if it's challenged in the European courts.
 
2012-04-27 09:36:16 AM  

relaxitsjustme: Read that as Neanderthal judge. Appropriate since banning cannabis is pretty Neanderthal thinking in this day and age.


I don't know if that's an apt description. While I agree that marijuana ought to be legalized, the fact of the matter is it currently is not in almost every single country.
 
2012-04-27 09:36:32 AM  

Tillmaster: nekom: PonceAlyosha: The article seems to point to trafficking between European countries as the main problem, not just tourists hanging out.

How exactly is that THEIR problem? It's legal there, it's not legal in other countries. That sounds like a problem that starts at the border of another country. I would only imagine that customs looks just a bit harder for drugs for tourists returning from Amsterdam than elsewhere.

There are no customs except at entry points, like international airports. United Europe, remember?
You can drive right across Europe without having to deal with checkpoints.


Not necessarily true. I was riding a bus from Amsterdam to Paris and they pulled us over at the French border to search all passengers and the bus with drug dogs. Fortunately I stank so bad from my philthy hippy backpacking adventures that they missed the half-gram in my pocket.

But I have to say, I'm pretty surprised by this. It seems like this judge just has a bug up his butt. In my experience, the Dutch are some of the coolest, most laid back people in the world. And it has nothing to do with drugs either, they just overwhelmingly have a great attitude.

/loves the Dutch
//especially the tulips
 
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