GoodyearPimp: I'd have gone with the "trading away two later picks to move up one spot" as the Browniest. The Vikings were not going to take an RB.

No but Tampa sure as hell was - look at it from the Vikings point of view assuming Kalil was their guy - they KNOW the Browns arent taking him at 4 - trading down to 5 is just as good as trading down to 4 because no matter what happens they still get their guy.

The fact that Tampa traded down after they couldnt get TR tells me that for them it was move up or move down - I believe (and so did the Browns obviously) that the Vikings would have traded with Tampa for almost ANY offer because it would they couldnt lose. The Browns offered them a better than market offer to make the deal before the draft started just to make sure they got their guy.

downtownkid: AdmirableSnackbar: babysealclubber: I still can't believe they gave up so many picks for Richardson.

And they didn't even do that since Richardson would have been there at 4. The trade was completely pointless since the Vikings were going to go with Kalil anyway. I gotta give the Vikings front office props for that one, they acquired a bunch of picks and still got the guy they should have picked.

You don't know that. The Browns obviously believed the Vikings had another team ready to trade up for the pick and grab Richardson. Given how highly rated he was it is entirely plausible. While I don't love giving up those picks it was well worth it to get the guy they loved. It's not like they were going to find thirteen starters in the draft. Only downside is that they have less ammunition to move up today or tomorrow if they wanted to.

Let's focus on the real travesty, which was taking Weeden at 22.

The Browns believed it but I don't. Who else would have traded to 3 for a RB? Tampa, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Carolina and Buffalo are all set at RB to the point where they didn't need to invest a 1st round pick at RB, much less trade up for one. It was a silly trade for the Browns to make, but one of many silly trades (Dallas and Philly, I'm looking at you).

But you're right, Weeden is tactically one of the worst 1st round picks in recent memory. There aren't enough bad things that could be said about it.

InferiousX: Sounds like Browns are probably going to trade McCoy which would make Weeden the go to guy.

Come to Oakland, Colt. Carson Palmer isn't going to get any younger

They think they can get even decent value a mediocre QB who is no better than backup quality and won't start for their team going forward? Who do they think they are, the Eagles?

AdmirableSnackbar: downtownkid: AdmirableSnackbar: babysealclubber: I still can't believe they gave up so many picks for Richardson.

And they didn't even do that since Richardson would have been there at 4. The trade was completely pointless since the Vikings were going to go with Kalil anyway. I gotta give the Vikings front office props for that one, they acquired a bunch of picks and still got the guy they should have picked.

You don't know that. The Browns obviously believed the Vikings had another team ready to trade up for the pick and grab Richardson. Given how highly rated he was it is entirely plausible. While I don't love giving up those picks it was well worth it to get the guy they loved. It's not like they were going to find thirteen starters in the draft. Only downside is that they have less ammunition to move up today or tomorrow if they wanted to.

Let's focus on the real travesty, which was taking Weeden at 22.

The Browns believed it but I don't. Who else would have traded to 3 for a RB? Tampa, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Carolina and Buffalo are all set at RB to the point where they didn't need to invest a 1st round pick at RB, much less trade up for one. It was a silly trade for the Browns to make, but one of many silly trades (Dallas and Philly, I'm looking at you).

But you're right, Weeden is tactically one of the worst 1st round picks in recent memory. There aren't enough bad things that could be said about it.

Now you're calling the Dallas trade silly? Crazy talk, the Cowboys made a great move grabbing Claiborne. Philly, otoh, completely perplexed me with that trade.

Everyone saying the line is awful is an idiot. You had an old, injured Tony Pashos as your right tackle. He is gone now. You had rookies playing at the guard sports because of injury. They now have a year under their belts and actually improved towards the end of the year. When Hillis's vagina wasn't hurting last year he put up some decent numbers behind that line. I expect Richardson to hit 1200-1300 total yards this year. I say grab Hill at 37 then hit OL and LB in the rest of the draft. Greg Little is only going to get better this year. While I don't love Weeden, I am actually excited to see an actual NFL offense this year.

downtownkid: Now you're calling the Dallas trade silly? Crazy talk, the Cowboys made a great move grabbing Claiborne. Philly, otoh, completely perplexed me with that trade.

Given the amount of quality talent at CB available in this draft it was silly to trade a 1 and a 2 for any one of them. The Cowboys have holes to fill, especially on the OL, and could have drafted a quality CB at 14 while picking up a good guard in the 2nd round. Now they won't pick until the 3rd round, and the bump in talent (if there is one) that they got at CB is not worth the tradeoff.

Multiple reports indicate that Tampa was the team that attempted to trade up to grab Richardson.

The factory of sadness keeps churning out misery.

AdmirableSnackbar: The Browns believed it but I don't. Who else would have traded to 3 for a RB? Tampa, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Carolina and Buffalo are all set at RB to the point where they didn't need to invest a 1st round pick at RB, much less trade up for one.

Blount makes some highlight reel plays, but he can't pass-block for shiat, and has apparently demonstrated to his coaches that he is incapable of learning to pass-block. After Blount, at RB the Bucs had scrubs and nobodies, and now Doug Martin.

RB was a definite need on that team.

downtownkid: Multiple reports indicate that Tampa was the team that attempted to trade up to grab Richardson.

Well then Tampa lucked out because they needed Barron much more than they needed Richardson. And they got Doug Martin very cheap at the end of the first, too.

Little old, but maturity goes a very long way in a quarterback. Late first round pick isn't that big of a deal, imho

Misplaced yat: AdmirableSnackbar: The Browns believed it but I don't. Who else would have traded to 3 for a RB? Tampa, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Carolina and Buffalo are all set at RB to the point where they didn't need to invest a 1st round pick at RB, much less trade up for one.

Blount makes some highlight reel plays, but he can't pass-block for shiat, and has apparently demonstrated to his coaches that he is incapable of learning to pass-block. After Blount, at RB the Bucs had scrubs and nobodies, and now Doug Martin.

RB was a definite need on that team.

Rookie RBs are rarely good pass-blockers and their old coach wasn't good at all at instilling discipline in his players. They could use another RB, but they had far more pressing needs than another rookie RB, especially that high in the draft.

Somebody tell Gramps to put his store-bought teeth in for photos.

in the post-Modell era, Cleveland Browns players are replicants from Blade Runner... "4 year lifespan". If Weeden sticks thru age 33 I'd be astounded.

IAmRight: bhcompy: Little old, but maturity goes a very long way in a quarterback. Late first round pick isn't that big of a deal, imho

Indeed. Just ask 2-18 Chris Weinke, the last 28-year-old QB drafted. And he accomplished more in college.

Weinke was given one year on a bad team to be a starter, kind of like John Beck(who has had two chances on two bad teams to be a starter). There are very few immediate game changers out of the first few picks of any draft, so if he's serviceable for a few years it's a good pick, considering the bust rate. I don't see why he can't be serviceable, but it's the Browns, it's not like he had any chance anyways.

The bigger concern, imo, is he is a ginger

IAmRight: His ceiling is Kyle Orton-esque. Why would you use a first-rounder to get someone who can only aspire to be as good as Kyle Orton?

Quarterbacks have what? A 50% bust rate? Orton has had one horrible season, and even with that horrible season he still had good stats and is still above .500 as a QB. I think the Browns would be pretty damned happy with that production(particularly if all the rest of the seasons are winning seasons and include playoffs and superbowl appearances).

Seriously. When this happened I was like WTF!!??

/I can't believe they got rid of Eric Mangini
//another what, 3 years or so until they fire Holmgren?

IAmRight: Richardson will be serviceable but trading up to get a RB in today's NFL is absolutely retarded.

Getting a 28-year-old QB who wasn't even the best QB in his conference, well, that's just icing on the cake.

Someone doesn't watch a lot of Big 12 football.

The only reason Brandon Weeden wasn't first-team All-Big 12 again this season was because ESPN hyped Griffin into a Heisman.

Griffin is good, but he's not the player the draftniks have been making him out to be. Redskins fans will find that out the first few times he takes sacks instead of throwing the ball away because he wants to protect his completion percentage. Tannehill is massively overrated, and the only QB left in the Big 12 that could make a claim is Landry Jones, who fell apart without his No. 1 receiver. Over the last two years, Weeden has been the best (and most consistent) QB in the league.

Now, was it the pick the Browns needed to make? No. The Dawg Pound has every right to be pissed that team management passed on David DeCastro (and let him drop to the Steelers, no less). But Brandon Weeden has been a very good quarterback, and he has the ability to be one for Cleveland.

Nana's Vibrator: Is this world not hell for Cleveland sports fans? This particular 40-year stretch of time on earth may exist purely to torture sports fans from Cleveland. I can't be wrong about this. There is no such thing as coincidence. It's conspiracy.

My brothers and I are actually fairly convinced that we already lived and died in another existence and this is actually our punishment.... or at the very least the equivalent of purgatory.

We alternate (depending on the team) from being abysmally horrible to just good enough to believe that "THIS is our year" only to have a championship ripped horribly from our grasping fingers at the last possible instant.

In any case, I drink the Kool-aid and LIKE IT!

Here we go Brownies!

IAmRight: They already have a "serviceable" QB. They used a first-round pick on a guy who is worse and older than their current starter.

McCoy's brain is already scrambled and he's been in the league for 5 minutes. He's good if he can stay healthy, but he's already proven that he can't and that he does suffer from concussion issues.

SuburbanSound: While I don't love Weeden, I am actually excited to see an actual NFL offense this year.

So you won't be watching the Browns? Their problem isn't at QB. It's the fact their line sucks (yeah, me and the rest of the world are idiots for believing that) and the WR's are all thumbs. That and the fact they wasted their pick on Weeden, who would have been there in the 2nd, and if not, oh well. Address the freakin o-line. Cleveland destroys quarterbacks.

Bid it up and let Tampa have Richardson then. But what do I know, other than Cleveland's track record.

GoodyearPimp: Bid it up and let Tampa have Richardson then. But what do I know, other than Cleveland's track record.

Pretty much this. They traded their shots at adding depth.

That wasn't even the Browniest move of the night. Giving up 3 picks to move up ONE SPOT to take a player the other team wasn't going to take anyways...like holy crap.

babysealclubber: GoodyearPimp: Bid it up and let Tampa have Richardson then. But what do I know, other than Cleveland's track record.

Pretty much this. They traded their shots at adding depth.

Bullshiat. The Browns need impact players more than depth. They have thirteen frigging draft choices. The right move was to use some of them to position themselves to get the player they really wanted. Unless you completely disbelieve the Tampa Bay rumors it was the smart move. You MAY get lucky and land a player with fourth round picks but statistically you're basically trading away a special teams player that low.

Rick Speilman, GM for the Vikes, just told the local sports radio station that covers the Vikes had "multiple offers on the table for the 3rd pick" and "felt that the Cleveland deal gave us the best position".

Read: We convinced Cleveland that someone else was interested in moving up and was interested in Richardson.

Kudos so far Rick. I hate your free agency mentality, however your draft poweress has been solid so far.

On the bright side, the Raiders aren't getting reamed for their picks. They were smart and decided not to have any picks for people to complain about on the first day.

downtownkid: Bullshiat. The Browns need impact players more than depth. They have thirteen frigging draft choices. The right move was to use some of them to position themselves to get the player they really wanted. Unless you completely disbelieve the Tampa Bay rumors it was the smart move. You MAY get lucky and land a player with fourth round picks but statistically you're basically trading away a special teams player that low.

Your claim would make sense if that's what they did. Instead, they traded away later picks for a RB (Which I still don't understand, no offensive line, WR's that can't catch usually mean a bad running game) one spot above, they drafted an aging quarterback they could have gotten in the next round, and I bet they will find a way to screw it up. They could have taken a WR, they could have addressed the line, but instead they continued to be the Browns, and they will continue to suck. Enjoy going 6-10 next year.

I like Weeden as a QB. He has a good arm, is very accurate and can take a hit.

That said i am surprised he went in the 1st.

downtownkid: Tampa Bay rumors it was the smart move

Even IF the Tampa Bay rumors are true, it was still not a smart move. You can't have an effective running attack without a passing attack or a good offensive line in the AFC North.

babysealclubber: Enjoy going 6-10 next year.

Try 3-13.

AdmirableSnackbar: downtownkid: AdmirableSnackbar: babysealclubber: I still can't believe they gave up so many picks for Richardson.

And they didn't even do that since Richardson would have been there at 4. The trade was completely pointless since the Vikings were going to go with Kalil anyway. I gotta give the Vikings front office props for that one, they acquired a bunch of picks and still got the guy they should have picked.

You don't know that. The Browns obviously believed the Vikings had another team ready to trade up for the pick and grab Richardson. Given how highly rated he was it is entirely plausible. While I don't love giving up those picks it was well worth it to get the guy they loved. It's not like they were going to find thirteen starters in the draft. Only downside is that they have less ammunition to move up today or tomorrow if they wanted to.

Let's focus on the real travesty, which was taking Weeden at 22.

The Browns believed it but I don't. Who else would have traded to 3 for a RB? Tampa, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Carolina and Buffalo are all set at RB to the point where they didn't need to invest a 1st round pick at RB, much less trade up for one. It was a silly trade for the Browns to make, but one of many silly trades (Dallas and Philly, I'm looking at you).

But you're right, Weeden is tactically one of the worst 1st round picks in recent memory. There aren't enough bad things that could be said about it.

You could make cases for Tampa and St Louis wanting to go RB. Blount had an off year and wanting a backup that is garunteed to see the field in St Louis since Jackson never plays a full year.

Completely legit points.

babysealclubber: downtownkid: Tampa Bay rumors it was the smart move

Even IF the Tampa Bay rumors are true, it was still not a smart move. You can't have an effective running attack without a passing attack or a good offensive line in the AFC North.

Err, the Steelers had it for years with Bettis and co. If Rapey threw more than 10 passes a game it was national news. And the line was never great.

Jim from Saint Paul: AdmirableSnackbar: downtownkid: AdmirableSnackbar: babysealclubber: I still can't believe they gave up so many picks for Richardson.

And they didn't even do that since Richardson would have been there at 4. The trade was completely pointless since the Vikings were going to go with Kalil anyway. I gotta give the Vikings front office props for that one, they acquired a bunch of picks and still got the guy they should have picked.

You don't know that. The Browns obviously believed the Vikings had another team ready to trade up for the pick and grab Richardson. Given how highly rated he was it is entirely plausible. While I don't love giving up those picks it was well worth it to get the guy they loved. It's not like they were going to find thirteen starters in the draft. Only downside is that they have less ammunition to move up today or tomorrow if they wanted to.

Let's focus on the real travesty, which was taking Weeden at 22.

The Browns believed it but I don't. Who else would have traded to 3 for a RB? Tampa, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Carolina and Buffalo are all set at RB to the point where they didn't need to invest a 1st round pick at RB, much less trade up for one. It was a silly trade for the Browns to make, but one of many silly trades (Dallas and Philly, I'm looking at you).

But you're right, Weeden is tactically one of the worst 1st round picks in recent memory. There aren't enough bad things that could be said about it.

You could make cases for Tampa and St Louis wanting to go RB. Blount had an off year and wanting a backup that is garunteed to see the field in St Louis since Jackson never plays a full year.

Completely legit points.

And if we lose out on Richardson, we take Blackmon, get an OL with #22, and take an RB at #37.

vonschiller: babysealclubber: Enjoy going 6-10 next year.

Try 3-13.

Already did. Do not want.

downtownkid: babysealclubber: GoodyearPimp: Bid it up and let Tampa have Richardson then. But what do I know, other than Cleveland's track record.

Pretty much this. They traded their shots at adding depth.

Bullshiat. The Browns need impact players more than depth. They have thirteen frigging draft choices. The right move was to use some of them to position themselves to get the player they really wanted. Unless you completely disbelieve the Tampa Bay rumors it was the smart move. You MAY get lucky and land a player with fourth round picks but statistically you're basically trading away a special teams player that low.

This. The 5th and 7th rounders are practice squad material. Essentially they gave up their second 4th rounder to secure Richardson. I have no problem with that move and it had to be done. Weeden at 22 was a dud, he would have been there at 37. If they don't get Hill it's a big time fail.