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2012-04-27 01:36:06 AM
What, playing the same 40 lame-ass songs over and over with braying jackasses talking about stupid crap in between the songs and talking over the start and end of the songs, along with 25 minutes of commercials an hour isn't the most successful music delivery format out there?
 
2012-04-27 02:42:11 AM
I'm getting a kick out of this because I listen to Pandora in Los Angeles.

Of course I probably listen to the local NPR stations more.
 
2012-04-27 02:43:26 AM

FirstNationalBastard: What, playing the same 40 lame-ass songs over and over with braying jackasses talking about stupid crap in between the songs and talking over the start and end of the songs, along with 25 minutes of commercials an hour isn't the most successful music delivery format out there?


And to think I believed a dj was a cool occupation.

/they don't get paid shiat, and have to work a second job.
 
zez
2012-04-27 02:53:15 AM
I tried to like Pandora but it seems like I get more control and a better mix with Slacker Radio.
 
2012-04-27 03:02:33 AM

zez: I tried to like Pandora but it seems like I get more control and a better mix with Slacker Radio.


Slacker is MUCH better than Pandora, especially when it comes to paid accounts. Pandora still limits your skips with a subscription, while Slacker gives you unlimited skips if you subscribe. Also, last I checked Slacker also had about 10 times the number of tracks available that Pandora does (8 million vs, 800.000).
 
2012-04-27 03:08:37 AM
So you have to pay to listen to Pandora and they will be having to listen to commercials soon too?

Can you listen to it at full volume in the car if a good song comes on? Can you listen to it at full volume in the car just to annoy people?
 
2012-04-27 03:10:29 AM
The guy in the cubicle next to be sometimes listens to the "variety" station, and it's laughable. They do play a variety of artists, but the play the same songs by them every single day. Many aren't even current hit songs, so how the hell did they decide KC and the Sunshine Band needs to be in heavy rotation?
 
2012-04-27 03:29:05 AM
I actually pay the $40/yr for Live365-they have some fantastic jazz/big band stations. Pandora was OK, last.fm better but both are still far behind Live365.
 
2012-04-27 03:31:44 AM

browntimmy: The guy in the cubicle next to be sometimes listens to the "variety" station, and it's laughable. They do play a variety of artists, but the play the same songs by them every single day. Many aren't even current hit songs, so how the hell did they decide KC and the Sunshine Band needs to be in heavy rotation?


Variety stations are the pink slime of music.
 
2012-04-27 04:22:07 AM
i want to hear a local human voice

I want a shared experience of pleasure

i want to see human performers with a live audience

enough with the screens and the ear buds

it's all too fleeting anyway
 
2012-04-27 06:41:17 AM

dang sure: i want to hear a local human voice

I want a shared experience of pleasure

i want to see human performers with a live audience

enough with the screens and the ear buds

it's all too fleeting anyway


Haiku next time.
 
2012-04-27 06:51:46 AM
live 365 i find to be better than pandora.... because if you switch between various stations you end up with a larger selection

/course i'm abroad these days and can't use pandora anyway...
 
2012-04-27 07:05:15 AM
How has Pandora not been destroyed, bought out and dismantled, or legislated out of existence yet?
 
2012-04-27 07:15:15 AM
I listen to Radio IO pretty much all day. I just can't get back to regular radio.
 
2012-04-27 07:57:27 AM
I have XM in my car, Pandora on my phone and listen to Pandora at work... Happily paid the $36 bucks for the year to guarantee no commercials...
My Depeche Mode radio is pure perfection... It has taken a year to get the music variety where I like it, but it is pure awesome...
80's wave, current alternative, 90's "wave" (Placebo, Kate Bush, Portishead, NIN, etc) and alittle dance/trance thrown in to keep things upbeat (Morgan Page, Tiesto, Aviccii etc)...
Its perfect
 
2012-04-27 07:59:24 AM
And yet Pandora won't turn a profit for another 2-3 years, if they ever do.
 
2012-04-27 08:04:07 AM
Pandora?
www.scroobyonline.co.uk

/Oh, there ain't no rest for the wicked..
 
2012-04-27 08:43:26 AM
I couldn't say when the last time I listened to terrestrial radio. It's been at least a couple years. I keep a nice mix of stuff on my phone, which I can plug into my car stereo. If I'm bored with that, Sirius has a few channels I like. Never any ads or obnoxious yak yak yak.
 
2012-04-27 08:52:20 AM
I DON'T Heart Radio!

/cc for the epic fail
 
2012-04-27 08:54:28 AM
Clear Channel failing?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2012-04-27 09:05:20 AM
Grooveshark FTW
 
2012-04-27 09:28:43 AM
I subscribe to Rhapsody and I really like it. It's $15/month, which is more expensive than Pandora and the like, but it includes more options than random music. You can listen to a "radio station" based on a favorite artist, just like those, but you can also download and listen to any specific music you want. It is kind of like owning damn near every album in the world and you pay someone $15/month to store it and catalog it. Prior to this offering, I was buying at least two CDs a month, so the expense is more than justified.
 
2012-04-27 09:31:36 AM
I used to work in radio, and it's true, you get paid nothing unless you're sales OR talent with decent ratings.

That said, I still keep up to date with the industry publications, and it's hysterical how the traditional radio people are acting like the sky isn't falling, and that people still need traditional radio.

They are not changing their business model and just simply don't understand that it's all going to fall apart. Once 4G becomes more widespread, people will rely less and less on things like traditional radio with huge stopsets and music they don't like.

What will survive on radio is talk radio. Local talk radio. And that's about it.
 
Slu
2012-04-27 09:50:08 AM
I am glad to know I am not the only one who knows that Pandora sucks. There are much better services out there. I like slacker, but I am going to try some of the suggestions here.
 
2012-04-27 09:51:26 AM

Mad_Radhu: zez: I tried to like Pandora but it seems like I get more control and a better mix with Slacker Radio.

Slacker is MUCH better than Pandora, especially when it comes to paid accounts. Pandora still limits your skips with a subscription, while Slacker gives you unlimited skips if you subscribe. Also, last I checked Slacker also had about 10 times the number of tracks available that Pandora does (8 million vs, 800.000).


Slacker is much better because of the skips and selection, but it's also better because with Slacker hardware you can cache your channels(up to 25 channels, 15hours of music).

www.productwiki.com
 
2012-04-27 10:04:16 AM
I hate radio with a syphilitic passion except for the Russ Martin show (DFW area). Talk by a bunch of guys in a room, having conversations, having fun, not being overly produced micromanaged station mouth pieces desperately replicating Ryan Seacrests milquetoast unremarkable nature.

Or they go the other way and try to force stupid memes and sayings and be 'wacky and zany' in a poor way only terrible corporation can force.

And the music sucks. Yes, I love listening to the same 40 sing playlist all day every day, and having you call music that you have been playing for 6 months 'breaking new music'.

I haven't had significantly better luck with pandora honestly. No matter what I put it on it cycles down to top 40, or 90'shiats, or some other variation of the same shiat I've heard for decades on radio anyway.
 
2012-04-27 10:11:45 AM
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2012-04-27 10:18:16 AM
I'm still waiting for Pandora to crash and burn, not because its a lesser service but because the recording industry eats it's own. Doesn't matter if it gives people what they want at a decent price. They want control and maximum profits and that will come at their own expense sooner rather than later.

Its real easy for artists to record their own stuff. Its real easy for artists to distribute their own stuff digitally. More importantly, they make and keep more of their own money that way.
 
2012-04-27 10:44:28 AM
Ya know, I've been using Pandora for years. My last job I listened to it every day... I have 5 or 6 stations now with different genres, I rarely have to skip anything. But any time a friend suggests a "better" service, I give it a try, and within a few days I'm back to Pandora. I've tried Last.fm, Slacker, Grooveshark, and Spotify... and didn't like any of them. I especially don't understand Spotify's popularity. I guess if all your friends listen to the same music you do, it works, but my friends listen to shiatty top 40 and pop music, so that was a complete and utter waste of time. Not to mention it can't play my .wma files, so it only picked up maybe 10% of my music. Really wanna get Pandora One, when I have the cash.
 
2012-04-27 10:54:45 AM
As a worker of Clear Channel I agree with the tag.

/Listening to Pandora while I work.
 
2012-04-27 11:28:38 AM

browntimmy: The guy in the cubicle next to be sometimes listens to the "variety" station, and it's laughable. They do play a variety of artists, but the play the same songs by them every single day. Many aren't even current hit songs, so how the hell did they decide KC and the Sunshine Band needs to be in heavy rotation?


I listen to Pandora some, but I'm not too picky about what I'm listening to, so I just have the radio on a lot. It's really weird how regular radio stations decide which songs to play--one station will have Lynyrd Skynyrd as their star, and another will have some band from the 90's that I'm not even familiar with.

If I go back east I can hear a whole different variety of songs on the stations. I can go see family and listen to the radio, and hear songs that I haven't heard in 20 years, since I used to live in that part of the country. Except now those songs are 20 or 30 years older, and they're still in regular rotation in that part of the country.
 
2012-04-27 11:30:48 AM

cheap_thoughts: FirstNationalBastard: What, playing the same 40 lame-ass songs over and over with braying jackasses talking about stupid crap in between the songs and talking over the start and end of the songs, along with 25 minutes of commercials an hour isn't the most successful music delivery format out there?

And to think I believed a dj was a cool occupation.

/they don't get paid shiat, and have to work a second job.


Well only if your unsuccesful at it.

Here's a hint, if you're still calling it a "DJ", then you don't know how to be good at it.
 
2012-04-27 11:32:40 AM
It also helps that many new cars come with Pandora as an option, if you get one of the higher end models. I've seen it in Camrys and Avalons.
 
2012-04-27 11:34:28 AM
BBC Radio 1 Online FTW. No commercials at all, a wide variety of music and the DJs are actually pretty good. And no ClearChannel BS.

Outside of the AM news station so I know where the major pile-up is on my way to work, I haven't listened to local radio in about 8 years.
 
2012-04-27 11:49:17 AM
Radio?

Siruis XM and 40 gigs of MP3s for Psycoholic_Slag.

B*tches.
 
2012-04-27 11:50:08 AM
Sirius = siruis
 
2012-04-27 11:55:01 AM

ericbo84: Ya know, I've been using Pandora for years. My last job I listened to it every day... I have 5 or 6 stations now with different genres, I rarely have to skip anything. But any time a friend suggests a "better" service, I give it a try, and within a few days I'm back to Pandora. I've tried Last.fm, Slacker, Grooveshark, and Spotify... and didn't like any of them. I especially don't understand Spotify's popularity. I guess if all your friends listen to the same music you do, it works, but my friends listen to shiatty top 40 and pop music, so that was a complete and utter waste of time. Not to mention it can't play my .wma files, so it only picked up maybe 10% of my music. Really wanna get Pandora One, when I have the cash.


Sounds more like you're just familiar and happy with pandora. It does what you want, so no big deal.

As for spotify: I use it to listen to whole albums from artists, that's about it. Usually as a prelude to buying them, if they pass the 'is this shiat' test. Or the 'does the album sound remotely like the single' test.
 
2012-04-27 12:01:22 PM
It's all fun and games until your data starts getting throttled.

I've got the text message o' doom from AT&T a while back. I streamed Pandora and Spotify at work on the weekends. Now I've been regulating myself.

If the wireless companies keep squeezing it will take that much longer for terrestrial radio to die.
 
2012-04-27 12:12:55 PM

boogerwolf: It's all fun and games until your data starts getting throttled.

I've got the text message o' doom from AT&T a while back. I streamed Pandora and Spotify at work on the weekends. Now I've been regulating myself.

If the wireless companies keep squeezing it will take that much longer for terrestrial radio to die.


Which is one reason why I purchased a Slacker Portable Radio
 
2012-04-27 12:14:53 PM
As a former Clear Channel employee I giggled. They have laid off so many people that when I went back for a visit a few years ago the place was a ghost town. They pretty much chased away all the top sales people by cutting their commissions several times in a year.
 
2012-04-27 12:21:21 PM
I am not surprised. Corporate radio still sucks.

/listening to Pandora in So. Cal. right now
 
2012-04-27 01:15:07 PM

MattyFridays: I used to work in radio, and it's true, you get paid nothing unless you're sales OR talent with decent ratings.

That said, I still keep up to date with the industry publications, and it's hysterical how the traditional radio people are acting like the sky isn't falling, and that people still need traditional radio.

They are not changing their business model and just simply don't understand that it's all going to fall apart. Once 4G becomes more widespread, people will rely less and less on things like traditional radio with huge stopsets and music they don't like.

What will survive on radio is talk radio. Local talk radio. And that's about it.


Not only that, but the potential profit to be made out of any given swath of bandwidth by wireless providers will exceed that that radio can generate by ever increasing margins - and what greedy eyes covet, greedy hands will soon grab. Radio will be dead in a generation, and the bandwidth auctioned off to wireless providers.
 
2012-04-27 01:53:20 PM
I've been using the new Myspace music player. They have a shiat ton of songs and they let you make your own playlists. They have even the most obscure songs. I've found only one album that I couldn't find on there. Even campy Halloween and Christmas music (yes, I do listen to those all year long).

It's so great, it turned me into a Justin Timberlake fan (not of his music, just his backing that got it going).
 
2012-04-27 02:40:20 PM
I think the one common thread going through here is that people are finding different services that work for them, all of them better than ClearChannel's commercial radio bullshiate.

Personally, I enjoy spotify. I like that it's gotten me back into listening to full albums again. They could make it easier to find playlists by people other than your friends, but it works for me. It's best used as an enhancement to other formats anyway and not a solution to them.
 
2012-04-27 03:08:33 PM
The only stations in LA worth listening to are gone...

extras.mnginteractive.com
Jim Ladd is on XM now

upload.wikimedia.org
Only online

Every once in a while I'll scan through the radio station stations but I got used to commercial free.
 
2012-04-27 03:22:14 PM

Epstein's Mother: Jim Ladd is on XM now


Sorry, but Jim Ladd is awful. Sure, he sets his own playlist and plays an eclectic mix, but goddamn he'shiat the hard drugs a few too many times. Listening to him is like listening to Bob Ross but more stoned/burned out, less coherent, and instead of making you sleepy it makes you stabby.
 
2012-04-27 03:44:59 PM

hbk72777: I've been using the new Myspace music player. They have a shiat ton of songs and they let you make your own playlists. They have even the most obscure songs. I've found only one album that I couldn't find on there. Even campy Halloween and Christmas music (yes, I do listen to those all year long).

It's so great, it turned me into a Justin Timberlake fan (not of his music, just his backing that got it going).


When did they launch this?
 
2012-04-27 03:53:07 PM

Grand_Theft_Audio: As a worker of Clear Channel I agree with the tag.

/Listening to Pandora while I work.


As a recently axed Clear Channel employee I agree as well.

/BainCapital
//VoteRomney
 
2012-04-27 04:22:24 PM

sure haven't: cheap_thoughts: FirstNationalBastard: What, playing the same 40 lame-ass songs over and over with braying jackasses talking about stupid crap in between the songs and talking over the start and end of the songs, along with 25 minutes of commercials an hour isn't the most successful music delivery format out there?

And to think I believed a dj was a cool occupation.

/they don't get paid shiat, and have to work a second job.

Well only if your unsuccesful at it.

Here's a hint, if you're still calling it a "DJ", then you don't know how to be good at it.


Um, what is the new term for DJ then? I've never heard them referred to as anything else. Of course, I'm listening to Pandora right now.
 
2012-04-27 04:27:22 PM

jso2897:

Not only that, but the potential profit to be made out of any given swath of bandwidth by wireless providers will exceed that that radio can generate by ever increasing margins - and what greedy eyes covet, greedy hands will soon grab. Radio will be dead in a generation, and the bandwidth auctioned off to wireless providers.


Within a generation? Look how far mobile electronics has come in 10 years! I think radio's demise, at least, radio as we know it, will happen a lot quicker than that.

I think, in the end, something like Clear Channel will fail and only the local mom and pops will survive. Which is what should have happened in the first place.
 
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