Tatsuma: Or simply September lied.

Or he was in fact evil as well. Or many other things.

There are many many many ways they can get out of that situation. I highly doubt they'd kill Olivia.

I don't think September was evil because the 2036 guy said September tried to help them fight off the other Observers and something weird happened to him. He could have purposefully lied for some reason we don't know yet. I agree that Olivia will be around all season 5 but I wouldn't have a problem with her dying in the last episode to save humanity.

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Well that's a relief.. what about Alcatraz?

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I just got an erection. Oh, fear not. It's nothing to do with your state of undress. I just simply need to urinate.

unyon: Fox cancels Firefly, and Fringe gets renewed for a 5th season.
[i.qkme.me image 625x352]Does that seem right to you?

Yes.

Firefly should have been canceled before they shot the pilot.

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I just got an erection. Oh, fear not. It's nothing to do with your state of undress. I just simply need to urinate.

I'll need to check her anus!

DamnYankees: I may in the minority, but I didn't really like the most recent episode of Fringe. First and foremost, an episode without Olivia simply isn't an episode of Fringe, IMO. She's the cornerstone of the show, so you better do something pretty fantastic if you want to pull that off. Secondly, the Observer thing just came out of nowhere and didn't really make thematic sense to me. I'm confused as to how it ties in to the rest of the show - not plotwise, but thematically. It just didn't seem meaningful. The episode felt like a one-off episode of the Twilight Zone, only it happened to be set in the Fringe world.

That pretty much sums up how I feel about it too.

I hope later episodes fill in the gaps about how and why the Observers took over and how the 2036 timeline relates to the Fringe world we know.

DamnYankees: I may in the minority, but I didn't really like the most recent episode of Fringe. First and foremost, an episode without Olivia simply isn't an episode of Fringe, IMO. She's the cornerstone of the show, so you better do something pretty fantastic if you want to pull that off. Secondly, the Observer thing just came out of nowhere and didn't really make thematic sense to me. I'm confused as to how it ties in to the rest of the show - not plotwise, but thematically. It just didn't seem meaningful. The episode felt like a one-off episode of the Twilight Zone, only it happened to be set in the Fringe world.

This wasn't the first episode without Olivia (she wasn't in the flashback episode s03e15) 2 out of 84 episodes is pretty good considering the show isn't about her and both episodes did a lot to show what direction the show was moving. Last night's week's episode was supposed to be discombobulating since we don't know anything else about 2036 until the final two episodes and season 5. It is the equivalent of the first flash forward in lost. I think we're going to see the Observer invasion be a direct result of September's actions to help fringe and DRJ desire to destroy the world but that is just a guess.

DamnYankees: I may in the minority, but I didn't really like the most recent episode of Fringe. First and foremost, an episode without Olivia simply isn't an episode of Fringe, IMO. She's the cornerstone of the show, so you better do something pretty fantastic if you want to pull that off. Secondly, the Observer thing just came out of nowhere and didn't really make thematic sense to me. I'm confused as to how it ties in to the rest of the show - not plotwise, but thematically. It just didn't seem meaningful. The episode felt like a one-off episode of the Twilight Zone, only it happened to be set in the Fringe world.

I'm with you on that. And yeah, I think we're in the minority.

The Observers thing didn't seem to make much sense based on everything we've been told up to now. But at least with the news of a season 5 then they'll have a chance to make sense of it if possible.

The other problem I had with the episode was how they forced the reveal that Henrietta was Peter's daughter as some big moment. They hid it so badly through the first 59 minutes of the episode, that it ended up being a pretty lackluster way of ending the episode (where obviously bigger things were happening). I figured out that she was their kid almost immediately. And then the rest of the episode they used cheap tactics like not using her full name, or just referring to her as "agent," or her interactions with Walter. That just became annoying as the episode went on.

Tatsuma:
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Hopefully Fringe's last season will be as satisfying and awesome as Chuck's last season

spoilers if you haven't seen the last season of Chuck

I was right there with you on your post until I saw this, I just finished watching the last season of Chuck in a marathon of the last 6 or 7 episodes and it was not good at all. I've got the entire series and that last season has me questioning whether or not I want to delete all of it just to free up some space on my computer. Morgan having the Intersect was just stupid and seemed like they writers just said "fark it, give it to the sidekick." The last few seasons there's been various iterations of the Intersect and it was easy enough to get your hands on it when it suited the overall story arc but all of a sudden there's only one final copy of the non-corrupted Intersect and Chuck is forced to use it to save everyone in the concert hall, and Sarah is the one who actually remembers how to disable the bomb. How do they reward Chuck for all the crap he's been through for the past 5 years? Oh.. here, the love of your life doesn't remember you, now you have to try and woo her all over again. Touching moments in the last season but overall it felt like a slap in the face.

And they kind of seemed to piss away all the character growth and development they did with Casey too. The whole series they have Casey slowly getting softened up by working with Chuck and Sarah and meeting his daughter, and then b/c Beckman says "I need you to toughen up," BAM! He's back to trying to be a hard ass and ends up deserting his daughter again.

DamnYankees: Carth: This wasn't the first episode without Olivia (she wasn't in the flashback episode s03e15)

What do you mean - that entire episode was about Olivia and she was the star of it. You're confusing Olivia the character with the Anna Torv the actress.

By that logic one of the central questions of most recent episode was "what happened to Olivia". We have Nina and Walter alluding to it, Bell being involved and her daughter as a key character. She had a huge part in both episodes even though she never appeared.

Carth: DamnYankees: Carth: This wasn't the first episode without Olivia (she wasn't in the flashback episode s03e15)

What do you mean - that entire episode was about Olivia and she was the star of it. You're confusing Olivia the character with the Anna Torv the actress.

By that logic one of the central questions of most recent episode was "what happened to Olivia". We have Nina and Walter alluding to it, Bell being involved and her daughter as a key character. She had a huge part in both episodes even though she never appeared.

The bullet casing Etta wore around her neck was a small clue....

Can't wait til the finale. I'm assuming September and Olivia will be shot in a showdown in the final scene with Bell trying some fancy regenerative technique.

Carth: DamnYankees: Carth: This wasn't the first episode without Olivia (she wasn't in the flashback episode s03e15)

What do you mean - that entire episode was about Olivia and she was the star of it. You're confusing Olivia the character with the Anna Torv the actress.

By that logic one of the central questions of most recent episode was "what happened to Olivia". We have Nina and Walter alluding to it, Bell being involved and her daughter as a key character. She had a huge part in both episodes even though she never appeared.

I think I get what you're saying now, (young Olivia). Her daughter played the same purpose for me in the most recent episode as the kid in s03e15. Maybe that is why I didn't think it was ap roblem.

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I'll need to check her anus!

Should be easy. Anna Torv has NO ASS.

/must hurt her to sit down with no padding

DamnYankees:

Carth: She had a huge part in both episodes even though she never appeared.

Once again, she appeared in the flashback episode. She was the main character on screen in that episode.

Yea it took me a minute to figure out what you meant. In my head child olivia and adult olvia are different characters, which is why I was confused. s03e15 showed where Olivia came from s04e20 showed where she is going.

Tatsuma: Confabulat: They just didn't bring him back, they turned our Walter into him!

I know!

Confabulat: Between the two time frames and universes now, they have set themselves up for some great TV storytelling if they don't screw it all up now.

Agreed, I really really am excited.

stoli n coke: It's over. It's been over for a long time. It's time to move on.

Yeah I have to say I agree.

It's been 10 years, and Fox has made up for that. New management included.

Not really. They canceled The Sarah Conner Chronicles too early as well. Some people still have issues over Doll House (not me, it was terrible and that chick can't act). Then there's the more recent Tera Nova and Alcatraz. I'm not sure if Alcatraz is officially done but everyone assumes it's going to be.

It means a lot that they saved Fringe for one more season but Fox has a lot of work to do to earn my trust back where sci-fi shows are concerned.

Jocundry: I hope later episodes fill in the gaps about how and why the Observers took over and how the 2036 timeline relates to the Fringe world we know.

I'd also like to know why the mostly unobtrusive, seemingly peaceful 'observers' decided that in the future they are conquering totalitarian whoremongering dictators.

How wonderful. I'll make blueberry pancakes!

This season's episode 19 just proved to me that a TV series based on the Deus Ex games would be awesome.

Also, major love for the Blade Runner homage in the beginning of that episode.

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Redhead Olivia > Blonde Olivia.

/ Wife is a Fringe fan.
// Sneaks in during redhead Olivia scenes.

DamnYankees: Carth: s04e20 showed where she is going.

Death?

Marries Peter, has a child, saves the world.

Brubold: It means a lot that they saved Fringe for one more season but Fox has a lot of work to do to earn my trust back where sci-fi shows are concerned.

Jesus farking Christ. Get over yourself. Fox has tried more scifi than any of the other networks. Nobody watches it. No one. They shouldn't have to lose money just to "win back" the trust of someone named "Brubold."

/Self-loathing scifi fanatic.

ActionJoe: Hooray. A shorter season is a much better option too. No need for any stupid mid season breaks. Just tell a crisp story line that goes for a straight 13 weeks. No filler episodes, no monster of the week with no ties to the plot, just start off where ever this season ends and run with it in a way that finishes off the series.

I am very excited about what this new future storyline could produce. I hope it is not just some one off thing that will be resolved at the end of this season. It seems like a pretty random plot line to suddenly introduce the observers as bad guys. But this season has been all about random plot lines. I hope they tie Jones together with the observers in some way other wise it would be pretty ridiculous.

That doesn't mean there won't be any multi-week breaks. Remember Fox airs baseball's playoffs and world series, so good luck in having new episodes in October.

I'd prefer that they start in February, and run non stop through the beginning of May

I'm glad it lasted so long. It is really creative. It is hard to make that many episodes without a couple missteps and I don't expect perfection.

Tatsuma: ActionJoe: I hope they tie Jones together with the observers in some way other wise it would be pretty ridiculous.

My guess is that Jones is the reason why they decided to intervene in 2015. They saw the havoc he was creating, then said 'Welp, clearly they can't be in control of the universe, they are about to destroy it even hundreds of years before we did, fark these guys' then took over.

You're probably not far off. It seems pretty clear that Jones is trying to destroy one universe, if not both (although that'd be hazardous to his own health). Perhaps it's a both-or-none scenario in which each universe needs the other, so the Observers step in to stop both from being destroyed.

DamnYankees: I may in the minority, but I didn't really like the most recent episode of Fringe. First and foremost, an episode without Olivia simply isn't an episode of Fringe, IMO. She's the cornerstone of the show, so you better do something pretty fantastic if you want to pull that off. Secondly, the Observer thing just came out of nowhere and didn't really make thematic sense to me. I'm confused as to how it ties in to the rest of the show - not plotwise, but thematically. It just didn't seem meaningful. The episode felt like a one-off episode of the Twilight Zone, only it happened to be set in the Fringe world.

Yeah, it felt very "out from left field" to me.

Brubold: They canceled The Sarah Conner Chronicles too early as well.

Amen.

Also, will there be any explanation as to how Peter came back into the timeline? First he was erased then he pops up in Raiden lake.

I think the biggest problem that this season has caused is it has distanced the audience from the cast. For most of this season we have had to adjust to what was supposedly a different group of people. Then Olivia remembered everything and everyone else seemed ok with it. Makes it a bit hard to feel for these characters later on. Also, having Olivia die will not be that special because she has already died. Hinted at her death in the cartoon episode last season. Killed by Walternate in the grey universe. September saying she will die and the future episode from last week where she was dead.

DamnYankees: I may in the minority, but I didn't really like the most recent episode of Fringe. First and foremost, an episode without Olivia simply isn't an episode of Fringe, IMO. She's the cornerstone of the show, so you better do something pretty fantastic if you want to pull that off. Secondly, the Observer thing just came out of nowhere and didn't really make thematic sense to me. I'm confused as to how it ties in to the rest of the show - not plotwise, but thematically. It just didn't seem meaningful. The episode felt like a one-off episode of the Twilight Zone, only it happened to be set in the Fringe world.

I respectfully disagree.

From the beginning, the show has always been about Walter. Olivia was just the audience proxy. Walter is the whole damn point.

ZeroCorpse: DamnYankees: I may in the minority, but I didn't really like the most recent episode of Fringe. First and foremost, an episode without Olivia simply isn't an episode of Fringe, IMO. She's the cornerstone of the show, so you better do something pretty fantastic if you want to pull that off. Secondly, the Observer thing just came out of nowhere and didn't really make thematic sense to me. I'm confused as to how it ties in to the rest of the show - not plotwise, but thematically. It just didn't seem meaningful. The episode felt like a one-off episode of the Twilight Zone, only it happened to be set in the Fringe world.

I respectfully disagree.

From the beginning, the show has always been about Walter. Olivia was just the audience proxy. Walter is the whole damn point.

I agree. Olivia matters, but it's Walter's story.

DamnYankees: While its basically impossible to say with any sort of objectivity that any show is about any one specific character, one thing is very clear.

You are wrong.

Correct. We all know who the real star is.

Too late. Lost interest.