Trik: chiwawa

sigh...

The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.
John has a long mustache. John has a long mustache.

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Seriously though, I love this movie.

It is a much more subtle and balanced film than it normally gets credit for being. The bad guys are fleshed out as real people with feelings, and the good guys are shown to have personality defects and doubts.

taurusowner: CliChe Guevara: Abrosive: Just in time for the RED DAWN remake to come out....

I love how North Korea is the enemy in the new remake. farking joke. It was originally filmed as the Chinese when they first shot it, but then the Chinese government got pissed and forbid MGM from releasing it that way. Apparently threatened to block any of the studios movies from release in China. So, MGM sucked Chinese cock and changed it. Farking sad.

Even more sad given that our next conflict with a true uniformed military that's somewhat close to our level of tech and training will probably be with China.

That's a pretty big "somewhat", but yeah, the only credible possible enemy that *MIGHT* have the ability to pull something like that off would be the PRC. The North Koreans? They couldn't even successfully invade South Korea.

CliChe Guevara: We also have done a pretty good job of ignoring that the primary espionage threats, and the majority of spies we catch and intrusions we detect are Chinese.

Since Wicked Chinchilla schooled you on the Vietnam War thing, I'm going to point out that you are absolutely correct on this one. In fact, they manage to figure out how to monitor us monitoring their communications. It took years to set up that operation, and they used US citizens of Chinese extraction to set it up so that they'd pass the requisite background checks.

veale728: Trik: I'm sory I have a different hope for the outcome of this.

In least common denominator
Someone bring the vodka, and mixers

and for gods sake don't forget the giraffes you can carry around like a chiwawa

...what is a chiwawa

A little yappy dog breed as spelled by someone with no grasp of spanish.

way south: dittybopper: That's a pretty big "somewhat", but yeah, the only credible possible enemy that *MIGHT* have the ability to pull something like that off would be the PRC. The North Koreans? They couldn't even successfully invade South Korea.

If I recall the original movie, wasn't it south american forces that invaded as a front for the Soviet Union?
It basically followed the pattern of the Korean and Vietnam wars (because our politicians are idiots and can't tell the difference between one army and another when they stencil a different flag on the tanks).

Yes, and no.

The first wave to hit Calumet were Soviet paratroopers ("Shtoi delaesh!"), followed closely by Cuban occupation troops some hours later. Calumet was mostly in the hands of Cubans, with some Soviet soldiers who were apparently either REMF troops, or there for rest/regrouping/rearming etc. For most of the movie, the "Wolverines" were essentially up against the second or third string. That's why they did pretty well at first. Then the Soviets got serious and brought in Colonel Strelnikov and his Spetznaz, and the Wolverines were pretty much wiped out within a month of that happening, which seems pretty realistic.

Now, when Colonel Tanner outlines the war for them, he does mention that the Mexicans and other Central American troops come up from the south, with the Soviets coming down from the north, so yeah, in a sense it's kind of true from an overall picture of the war.

In fact, the only way something like that would have been plausible back then is if Mexico joins in, and the Russians invade through Alaska and Canada, though it would take a *LONG* time for that, and it would be a very thin and vulnerable supply line.

If I was to spin a yarn where the Norks invaded, it would be a repeat of the Korean war by using them as a proxy of China. They'd attack with Chinese equipment, Chinese tactics, Chinese "Instructors" and be backed by Chinese money.
What is stationed inside NK now wouldn't mean much because this force is all imported by way of China with two thirds of the manpower being non-Nork.

/That would be the "gotcha" for SK.
/They spend years thinking that all they have to deal with are a few peasants.
/suddenly a fully modern force appears out of nowhere and mows em down.

starsrift: Maybe I'm kind of pissing on the military one-up-manship around here, but I would point that China is the largest foreign creditor of the USA... Tanks and bullets are not the things to be scared of.

Except for one thing: We can replace China as a producer by shifting production to numerous other countries. We are China's single biggest customer, by far: They can't replace us as easily as we can replace them, and they *KNOW* that. In the US, it will merely mean shortages of cheap socks and electronics. In China, it will mean vast manufacturing sectors idled, meaning people out of work, which is bad news for a society that abhors social unrest as much as Chinese society.

In any kind of an actual shooting war, we can shut off almost all of their exports. They can't effectively shut off our imports and exports.

BTW, that works for us: The moment hostilities commence, all that credit they are holding becomes instantly worthless. In effect, they would have given us free money. They are left holding nothing. They know that, which is what will restrain them from doing anything stupid. They might hint at stuff, and rattle sabers a bit, but they won't do anything to piss us off too much, because they'd be slitting their own throat.

washington-babylon: dittybopper: The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.
John has a long mustache. John has a long mustache.

What is with the "The Longest Day" quote? That was WW2.

Radio Free America Announcer: It's 11:59 on Radio Free America; this is Uncle Sam, with music, and the truth until dawn. Right now I've got a few words for some of our brothers and sisters in the occupied zone: "the chair is against the wall, the chair is against the wall", "john has a long mustache, john has a long mustache". It's twelve o'clock, America, another day closer to victory. And for all of you out there, on, or behind the line, this is your song.

starsrift: dittybopper: starsrift: Maybe I'm kind of pissing on the military one-up-manship around here, but I would point that China is the largest foreign creditor of the USA... Tanks and bullets are not the things to be scared of.

Except for one thing: We can replace China as a producer by shifting production to numerous other countries. We are China's single biggest customer, by far...

You spin a nice yarn, but the EU is China's single biggest customer. The USA comes in a close second - for exports. For imports, USA comes in 6th.

The EU isn't a single customer.

starsrift: dittybopper: starsrift: Maybe I'm kind of pissing on the military one-up-manship around here, but I would point that China is the largest foreign creditor of the USA... Tanks and bullets are not the things to be scared of.

Except for one thing: We can replace China as a producer by shifting production to numerous other countries. We are China's single biggest customer, by far...

You spin a nice yarn, but the EU is China's single biggest customer. The USA comes in a close second - for exports. For imports, USA comes in 6th.

There is only a *SINGLE* EU nation in the top 10 for Chinese Exports, Germany, and they are #6, with roughly a third of the US.