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(MSNBC)   Arizona GOP turns the derp up to infinity, passes anti-sustainability bill in order to avert a 'UN conspiracy'. Bonus: Under the bill, the state unemployment office would have to be shut down   (usnews.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 150
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2012-04-26 09:48:19 PM
9 votes:
I thought Jan Brewer said no more bills until the state Legislature actually passed a budget?

Talks on the budget may be on the verge of breaking down, as Gov. Jan Brewer today told Republican legislative leaders that she will not sign any more bills until the budget is done.

"The governor has indicated to leadership that, outside of the bills that are on her desk now, she won't sign any more bills until there's a budget," Brewer spokesman Matthew Benson said.


Link

Where oh where is that budget bill?

And this bill is sh*t. These same assholes supported a bill 12 years ago for an alternative energy tax.

Link

God damned hypocrites.

I use a solar oven 1 or 2 times a week to cook food in the sun, here. We have plenty of sun. We have NO excuse to not use the one resource we have an abundance of. You jackasses in the Tea Party can kiss my ass and shove your Birch fear of the UN straight up your own.
2012-04-26 10:58:41 PM
5 votes:
Hmm...

"Among the U.N. declaration's non-binding principles are calls for sustainable development, environmental protection, eradicating poverty, eliminating unsustainable production and consumption patterns, economic growth and the participation of women in government decisions."

So would Brewer and the tard who sponsored this bill step down?
2012-04-27 09:54:35 AM
4 votes:
"The tea party and conspiracy theorists run the state now, Campbell told msnbc.com.

"You have to help me," he continued. "I have to work around these people every day. I have to read every crazy and stupid proposal they send across my desk. I have to eat lunch with them in the legislature canteen. Every day. It's like being in the primate house at the zoo in there except the poo they fling comes straight out of their mouths."

"I keep silently wondering to myself just how long a sane person can be locked in an asylum before going completely crazy from the sheer overwhelming force of madness all around. Every time I think they've hit rock bottom they somehow drop even lower. Have you seen the shiat they believe, really looked closely at it? I swear, just looking into their wild, crazy eyes sometimes feels like staring into an abyss. Charles Manson has eyes like that. Except no one ever elected him to office in Arizona."
2012-04-27 08:42:04 AM
4 votes:

ghare: Dear President Obama and the Democrats:

Please, I beg you, come out in favor of breathing.


No, I can't let them do that. Do you understand how much more stupidity we would be exposed to?

It may start with Hannity speaking about President Obama's sudden support of breathing. Then Hannity posits, "if Obama is such a big supporter of breathing then why is this the first time we're hearing about it? I mean, everyone agrees that breathing is good so why did it take him so long before he said anything? It isn't hard to show your support for breathing." To demonstrate how easy it is for Obama to support breathing, they will run clips of various Republican congress critters advocating for CPR classes during First Aid week. Then, it'll cut back to Hannity. Now, he's in the company of three bleached blonde "experts" in breathing.

They begin exchanging stories of how they already came out in favor of breathing. To illustrate how easy it is to breathe, camera three zooms in on the chesty blonde in the middle. The other two point out the breathing signs. Then they show a picture of President Obama and comment on the lack of breathing signs. They imply that not only is he waffling on breathing but that he may not even be a breather.

You do not have any right to subject me to this.
2012-04-27 08:36:30 AM
4 votes:
Ah, Arizona. The meth lab of democracy.
2012-04-27 07:04:56 AM
4 votes:
You republicans are god damn nuts. Yes, you. Don't whine when you're painted with a broad brush, as you sat around for a generation with collective thumbs up asses while GOP voters brought these nutjobs into leadership positions.
2012-04-26 09:59:31 PM
4 votes:
Just round up the poor, democrats, and minorities into camps. At least that way you will be honest about it.
2012-04-26 09:56:40 PM
4 votes:
I suppose no one in AZ bothered to read the bill. If they did, they would have come across two minor details:

1. The entire thing is a non-binding resolution/statement of shared principles

2. Participation in achieveing any stated goals is VOLUNTARY



Score another point for reality.
2012-04-26 09:36:13 PM
4 votes:
jesus farking christ, you farking retarded farking morons -- please just secede, or die, or do something other than polluting our farking country with your idiotic bullshiat.
2012-04-27 10:58:20 AM
3 votes:
FTA (emphasis added): A final legislative vote is expected Monday on a bill that would outlaw government support of any of the 27 principles contained in the 1992 United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, also sometimes referred to as Agenda 21. [...] It is sponsored by state Sen. Judy Burges, R-Sun City West, who also sponsored a state birther bill that Brewer vetoed last year. [...] Among the U.N. declaration's non-binding principles are calls for sustainable development, environmental protection, eradicating poverty, eliminating unsustainable production and consumption patterns, economic growth and the participation of women in government decisions.

...wait. If this becomes law, doesn't that require the immediate expulsion of the senator who sponsored it? She's a woman; she'll no longer be allowed to participate in government decisions.
2012-04-27 09:00:33 AM
3 votes:
I wonder if the hand wringing over Agenda 21 comes from a fundamental inability to comprehend the written word. Specifically, the word "state" does not refer to individual states in the US, but nation-states.

It's a terrible thing to have to ask if republicans are this dumb, but it's even more terrible to already know the answer.
2012-04-27 08:46:40 AM
3 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: jso2897: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I suppose no one in AZ bothered to read the bill. If they did, they would have come across two minor details:

1. The entire thing is a non-binding resolution/statement of shared principles

2. Participation in achieveing any stated goals is VOLUNTARY


Score another point for reality.

Sounds more like a point for idiot, impotent symbolism than reality.
But I'm not against any of this. I think it's time to quit intervening, and make an example. Let the Right drive Arizona (or Alabama, or whoever) off a cliff. Let the rest of the nation witness, observe, and learn.
It's way past time to quit trying to protect these retards from themselves.

This. In fact, let's use AZ as the test case. They want to be all 10th amendment/boot strappy? Fine! Remove every single federal dollar, employee, and resource from the state. ALL of it, including law enforcement. Let AZ fend for themselves for a year, and see how they do.


Upon its total and complete collapse, they will argue that the federal government has created a state of dependency and that's why they were unable to survive. They will argue that if the state was slowly weaned off federal support then it would have worked.

The Republicans uniformly accept this analysis and it will be used to explain the next three decades of outrageous legislation the Republicans start passing.
2012-04-27 08:18:58 AM
3 votes:
the United Nations has enlisted the support of numerous independent, shadow organizations to surreptitiously implement this agenda around the world.

It is absolutely unfathomable that a phrase such as this makes it into the text of any legislation. How anyone can defend Tea Partiers as only being for small government and fiscal responsibility is beyond me. Time and time again, the very tea party candidates propelled into office in 2010 have proposed oppressive anti-gay, anti-abortion, birther, or now conspiracy theory inspired legislation that has nothing to do with jobs or budgets.

I have been fortunate to have never encountered, face-to-face, someone who admitted being a tea party supporter, but if I ever do, I will call them a raving lunatic to their face and turn my back.
2012-04-27 06:42:22 AM
3 votes:
Dear President Obama and the Democrats:

Please, I beg you, come out in favor of breathing.
2012-04-27 06:07:17 AM
3 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I suppose no one in AZ bothered to read the bill. If they did, they would have come across two minor details:

1. The entire thing is a non-binding resolution/statement of shared principles

2. Participation in achieveing any stated goals is VOLUNTARY


Score another point for reality.


Sounds more like a point for idiot, impotent symbolism than reality.
But I'm not against any of this. I think it's time to quit intervening, and make an example. Let the Right drive Arizona (or Alabama, or whoever) off a cliff. Let the rest of the nation witness, observe, and learn.
It's way past time to quit trying to protect these retards from themselves.
2012-04-27 02:07:04 AM
3 votes:
Once again my decision to leave the area my family has lived in for nearly 300 years has again been validated
2012-04-26 09:19:17 PM
3 votes:
Stupid shiat like this is beyond words. All I can come up with is:

3.bp.blogspot.com
2012-04-27 10:32:07 AM
2 votes:

GhostFish: The state of Arizona and all political subdivisions of this state shall not adopt or implement the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet of the United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development and the Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development adopted at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in June, 1992 or any other international law that contravenes the United States Constitution or the Constitution of Arizona.

Um. So, the text says "shall not" and not "is not required to" or something similar.

Isn't that...kind of a big farking issue? There are a lot of non-binding principles put forth in that declaration. It would seem silly to put down a blanket statement in law saying "No, we can't/won't do any of those things".


The Tea Party is dominated by religious zealots and conspiracy theorists. They thing that Agenda 21 is trying to force everyone into human internment camps in order to protect the environment. The irrational fear of the UN is one of the defining hallmarks of the modern conservative.
2012-04-27 09:39:22 AM
2 votes:

PonceAlyosha: Stefanwulf: PonceAlyosha: Stefanwulf: I feel like this sort of thing is born out of a culture I haven't even begun to comprehend.

You have to remember, the feeling is mutual. Their constructed version of reality excludes by rule any an understanding of any other one.

True. I don't expect they'd understand me either. But my constructed version of reality includes a requirement to try to understand theirs. I'm just not sure how to proceed with that sometimes.

I had a similar discussion with a friend a few hours ago, but about science rather than politics. Being a particle physicist, his views of other fields are...colored by his own idea that he works at the "base line" of material and science and thus knows everything about every other field because he's too pretty for his own good and that has left him with an inflated ego. But the on topic point is, models, especially those of complex behavior, do not "nest" within each other. Your attempt to understand their ideology is exactly what stops you from understanding it. You have to think like your mental verbal representation is 100% correct at all times. Fox and their echo chamber allows this to be reinforced.


This reminds me of the Thomas Kuhne book on scientific revolutions. Within his theory, Kuhne asserted that two scientific theories require complete subscription to a paradigm. Communication between those paradigms are impossible because words take on different meanings within the paradigms.

So, for example, the word socialist would mean two wildly different things between the two groups thus rendering any discussion regarding that topic impossible.
2012-04-27 09:27:54 AM
2 votes:

winterwhile: MSNBC is still on the air????

who watches them?


I watch Maddow. I would love to see a battle of wits with Maddow against every single blonde bimbo on Fox news. It would be like watching a silverback crush grapes.
2012-04-27 09:18:00 AM
2 votes:

scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.


Except this is like blasting yourself in the foot with a shotgun to spite the next-door neighbor for daring to say it might be a good idea to water your garden.
2012-04-27 08:59:55 AM
2 votes:
...bill that would outlaw government support of any of the 27 principles contained in the 1992 United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development...sponsored by state Sen. Judy Burges, R-Sun City West...

Among the U.N. declaration's non-binding principles are calls for...the participation of women in government decisions.


Republican women are now proposing bills to outlaw their ability to propose bills.

You can't make this shiat up.
2012-04-27 07:35:25 AM
2 votes:

jso2897: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I suppose no one in AZ bothered to read the bill. If they did, they would have come across two minor details:

1. The entire thing is a non-binding resolution/statement of shared principles

2. Participation in achieveing any stated goals is VOLUNTARY


Score another point for reality.

Sounds more like a point for idiot, impotent symbolism than reality.
But I'm not against any of this. I think it's time to quit intervening, and make an example. Let the Right drive Arizona (or Alabama, or whoever) off a cliff. Let the rest of the nation witness, observe, and learn.
It's way past time to quit trying to protect these retards from themselves.


This. In fact, let's use AZ as the test case. They want to be all 10th amendment/boot strappy? Fine! Remove every single federal dollar, employee, and resource from the state. ALL of it, including law enforcement. Let AZ fend for themselves for a year, and see how they do.
2012-04-27 07:22:40 AM
2 votes:

trev29: Central Massachusetts Tea party groups are all up in arms about Agenda 21 as well. I really want to go around in the dead of night and spray paint a weird stencil on the road in front of their houses. Something that says something like, " D.H.S--- ID 178 --- U.N. 771-- Detention---" , and then sit back and watch.


Something like this attached to the curb in front of the house (so not to violate anyone's property rights):

www.troycitydesign.com
2012-04-27 07:15:09 AM
2 votes:

trev29: Central Massachusetts Tea party groups are all up in arms about Agenda 21 as well. I really want to go around in the dead of night and spray paint a weird stencil on the road in front of their houses. Something that says something like, " D.H.S--- ID 178 --- U.N. 771-- Detention---" , and then sit back and watch.


Heh... that would be funny. Though, you'd have to make it small and "hide" it somewhere, so when they do see it, they'll think they've uncovered some sinister government plot.

I would even get rid of the word "detention" and instead use a QR code next to the lettering. You could set up a web page and just have it go to a nondescript , "You do not have access to view this page" with a DHS logo or something, for the ones smart enough to know what a QR code is and how to scan it.
2012-04-27 07:07:58 AM
2 votes:
Central Massachusetts Tea party groups are all up in arms about Agenda 21 as well. I really want to go around in the dead of night and spray paint a weird stencil on the road in front of their houses. Something that says something like, " D.H.S--- ID 178 --- U.N. 771-- Detention---" , and then sit back and watch.
2012-04-27 07:04:53 AM
2 votes:
I was in Arizona in 1999 on a road trip and decided to visit Meteor Crater. The guide, who was probably in his sixties, was giving his tour. Partway through his description of the history of the place, he started ranting about President Clinton and government occupation and Patriotic Americans standing firm against Federal intrusion. At the same time, all the middle-aged tourists standing around listening to this diatribe were all nodding like their heads were on the same string, or saying, "True, so true" to each other. It was very, very strange.

The tour guide was apparently confusing "national monument," which would have required turning over Barringer Crater to the Federal Government, and "National Natural Landmark," which can involve public or private ownership - and which had been conferred on Barringer Crater in 1967. To him, apparently "national natural landmark" was the first step on the slippery slope to some kind of wholesale nationwide government confiscation of private property. It kind of spoiled the whole experience. I can't imagine that things in Arizona have gotten any better since then.
2012-04-27 06:27:21 AM
2 votes:
Tennessee was working on something similar, no? Link At least I didn't notice anything about forced abortions in the craziness from AZ.
2012-04-27 06:15:38 AM
2 votes:
Anti-sustanability. So, is it pro-Entropy instead? Sounds like they don't want to keep living.
2012-04-27 06:12:50 AM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com

/made for a PS contest a few weeks back
2012-04-27 03:45:37 AM
2 votes:

ThunderPelvis: Yeah...I'm well passed the point where Arizona is one of the 50 that I refuse to visit, on any grounds. F*ck Arizona.


If I am somehow forced to visit Arizona, I'm not doing so without a passport. Despite my very white skin, I don't want them mistaking me for Hispanic because of my dark hair and then trying to deport me to Mexico or something.
2012-04-27 12:34:49 AM
2 votes:

Weaver95: that's awesome. just shut down unemployment and watch/see what happens.


Don't you see? This will work out great!*

Multiple factors (none of which are SB1070) are reversing the immigration tide, so the unemployed can just pull up their bootstraps and take those jobs!


*not intended to be a factual statement
2012-04-26 11:34:12 PM
2 votes:

FlashHarry: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I give up...

/just nuke it from orbit

it's the only way to be sure.

it's funny; growing up, i always thought it would be alabama or mississippi or some old confederate state that would finally go full-on batshiat, bugfark wingnut crazy. i never thought it would be arizona. i wonder why that is.


I'm not sure, but I think the snowbirds have something to do with it

/maybe it's that huge yearly influx of radios tuned to Limbaugh
2012-04-26 11:10:59 PM
2 votes:

violentsalvation: GAT_00: violentsalvation: GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: She shows flashes of moderation. With her votes, anyways.

Really? I've never seen anything about your state representatives or your governor that represents anything except pure weapons-grade derp.

Jan vetoed this same crazy lady's birther bill and also a bill that would have allowed guns, concealed or open, to be carried in public buildings. That's all I can remember that I think we can agree was good of her.

You already have open carry. I figured it included public buildings.

sorry, government buildings.


Ah. By the way, you wanted that paper, right? It's in the last edits now, and doesn't much resemble the earlier version. Still interesting though.
2012-04-26 10:49:54 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: She shows flashes of moderation. With her votes, anyways.

Really? I've never seen anything about your state representatives or your governor that represents anything except pure weapons-grade derp.


Jan vetoed this same crazy lady's birther bill and also a bill that would have allowed guns, concealed or open, to be carried in public buildings. That's all I can remember that I think we can agree was good of her.
2012-04-26 10:13:43 PM
2 votes:
I'd love to see Arizona pass this, have a massive chemical spill or fire, and refuse to communicate at all with any other government about it. The lawsuits would be epic:

Principle 18

States shall immediately notify other States of any natural disasters or
other emergencies that are likely to produce sudden harmful effects on the
environment of those States. Every effort shall be made by the international
community to help States so afflicted.
2012-04-26 10:06:09 PM
2 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I suppose no one in AZ bothered to read the bill. If they did, they would have come across two minor details:

1. The entire thing is a non-binding resolution/statement of shared principles

2. Participation in achieveing any stated goals is VOLUNTARY


Score another point for reality.


3. For most of us, staying the fark out of Arizona is one of our civil rights.
2012-04-26 09:51:00 PM
2 votes:
Gotta love this crap:

"About the Rio declaration, SB1507 says "the United Nations has enlisted the support of numerous independent, shadow organizations to surreptitiously implement this agenda around the world."

That's atomic grade derp right there. But, I do love the consequences of this bill:

"We wouldn't be able to use CFL light bulbs in state buildings because that would be considered energy efficiency," Campbell said.

Campbell also said that the state's Economic Security Department, which handles unemployment and welfare benefits, could be outlawed because it has to do with eradicating poverty.

Also, Arizona universities have sustainability programs that could be banned if the bill becomes law, Campbell warned.

Arizona State University has a School of Sustainability, Northern Arizona University offers a master's in sustainable communities, and the University of Arizona has an environment and sustainability portal.


I'm SURE that the university campuses would be happy to just shut down a bunch of departments, and I'm sure the sizable number of people in AZ on unemployment would love to stop getting checks.
2012-04-28 10:08:29 PM
1 votes:

quatchi: Batshiat nonbinding AZ bill in response to sane nonbinding UN resolution is batshiat and non-binding.


What in the statute makes you believe the AZ statute will be "nonbinding"?
2012-04-27 09:46:16 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: I'm the hypothetical southwesterner that you mentioned. Funny that. My fundamental objection to the UN, or any other world body, is once they take control of some segment of world society, there is nowhere to go, no appeal. As long as there are nation-states, they can band together for defense or other necessary solutions. Part of me believes this ultimately is inevitable, but I, for one, will resist. I come from a long line of rugged individualists.


So you enjoy Kool-Aid
2012-04-27 08:19:38 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: thamike: colon_pow: thamike: Let me clarify: What kind of helmets are you referring to?

[propagandapress.files.wordpress.com image 314x209]

Yes, I am aware of what UN helmets look like. I'm asking you what kind of helmet do you wear, Asshole Troubles?

I'm sorry, I thought you were asking what kind of helmet i was referring to.

this is the kind of helmet that i wear.

[www.militaryimages.net image 640x575]


No, THIS is the type of helmet you wear:
www.tentonhammer.com
2012-04-27 06:59:22 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I give up...

/just nuke it from orbit

it's the only way to be sure.

it's funny; growing up, i always thought it would be alabama or mississippi or some old confederate state that would finally go full-on batshiat, bugfark wingnut crazy. i never thought it would be arizona. i wonder why that is.


Arizona's retirees and snowbirds make up a significant portion of its population. People move there from other places to retire. It's like they're concentrating the obstinate, illogical, bigoted old people. Other bigots and zealots like living there because they feel like kindred spirits with the old farts. You get enough of this nonsense collected together, and you wind up with what you're seeing in Arizona.

We've got the same thing here in Florida, although our retiree population was more diluted before the Great Screwing finally did in the economy down here. A whole bunch of younger families have left the state looking for work, leaving the old people in a more concentrated form to stew in their prejudices and lifelong misconceptions about the world in general. This is how a state full of people living on Social Security and Medicare can vote for politicians who want to eliminate Social Security and Medicare. This is how a state full of people who've benefited from federal government spending on defense and the space program keep voting for politicians who want to cut funding for defense and the space program. We're not that far off from Arizona in the derp department, and I'm sure there are people down here who would love to see us catch up with and maybe surpass them.
2012-04-27 06:48:22 PM
1 votes:

Wyalt Derp: We should have a bill for every crazy conspiracy theory, it would be hilarious.


They should pass a bill banning jet travel over Arizona. Chemtrails, you know.
2012-04-27 06:38:17 PM
1 votes:
My poor uncle lives there. Liberal, well-educated, works on telescopes for astronomers. He recently married, and I think he's going to use that to claim asylum in Sweden when AZ goes full derp.

/His wife is Swedish
//They're both in their 60s
2012-04-27 06:33:41 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: I'm the hypothetical southwesterner that you mentioned. Funny that. My fundamental objection to the UN, or any other world body, is once they take control of some segment of world society, there is nowhere to go, no appeal. ...


Then you're the perfect person to talk to about this! (Also, I should be clear, in calling myself out as being over-educated, I didn't actually mean that I was assuming the other people I was considering were uneducated, just that I think for people on the costs it's easier for the highly educated to feel like they belong to the same group that's making the decisions at the UN - it's not just location-based.)

That makes sense as an objection, and as someone who really likes the states as the laboratory of democracy, I agree with what I think you're saying about the value of having competing cultures and options, so in the worst case you can always go somewhere else.

I was also really struck by your reference to the star spangled banner. While I also associate it with federalism, talking about defending our national sovereignty on the global scale hadn't evoked it to me, so it came as an unexpected reference. I'm willing to bet that when we were growing up most of the other things that were pointed out to us as "This is what makes this country great, this is America" differ in interesting ways. (Although if you're a baseball fan that might be a common association as well)

I think most of my associations with it center around immigration and the melting pot, the idea that we are a young nation that can take in all cultures and all languages and can pick and choose what we like from them, leaving behind the parts we don't. The way that everyone's part of some weird little group, yet we still manage to come together and function amazingly well, even in close quarters (e pluribus unum and all that). On a related note, I remember being told that the spirit of innovation and willingness to embrace change while the rest of the world got mired in tradition was what had made America great. That and (perhaps somewhat incongruously) it's associated with cities and all the huge buildings and designed parks of the industrial revolution - monuments to our own ingenuity and industry like the Smithsonian or the Boston Public Library, created by the people for the education and edification of the people. If you toss in Baseball, I think that mostly covers it.

// Disclaimer, I was raised by really idealistic very liberal parents, so I probably don't even represent the average urban-raised east coaster.
2012-04-27 06:30:32 PM
1 votes:
How dare those UN environazis try to get us to reduce poverty and curb pollution?? HOW DARE THEY?!?!
2012-04-27 06:03:51 PM
1 votes:

ongbok: Are all of the republicans in Arizona mentally ill or something? Are they huffing paint or doing meth? Because that is the only way I can explain this level of widespread paranoia.


I corrected that for you.
2012-04-27 06:03:23 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: colon_pow: probably not. but i believe it could, if enough people stop caring or thinking about what made this country great.

Like I said, this is the same UN that can't even agree on what to order for lunch.


Doesn't matter. The religious folks and ultra nationalists hate anything resembling a world government, or any potential loss of 'do whatever the hell we want' on the national level.

They take everything to the illogical extreme, and then use those delusions as a reason to take negative action. It's one of the reasons the nation is in such sorry shape these days.
2012-04-27 05:54:07 PM
1 votes:
Are all of the republicans in Arizona mentally ill or something? Are they huffing paint or doing meth? Because that is the only way I can explain this level of widespread paranoia.
2012-04-27 05:51:55 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: probably not. but i believe it could, if enough people stop caring or thinking about what made this country great.


Like I said, this is the same UN that can't even agree on what to order for lunch.
2012-04-27 05:15:44 PM
1 votes:

keylock71: trev29: Central Massachusetts Tea party groups are all up in arms about Agenda 21 as well. I really want to go around in the dead of night and spray paint a weird stencil on the road in front of their houses. Something that says something like, " D.H.S--- ID 178 --- U.N. 771-- Detention---" , and then sit back and watch.

Something like this attached to the curb in front of the house (so not to violate anyone's property rights):

[www.troycitydesign.com image 210x227]


You might want to look into Microsoft Tags. They let you track how many times a particular tag has been scanned. Like when you go out and cover up MS Tags on advertising posters with stickers linking to lemonparty.org.
2012-04-27 05:10:42 PM
1 votes:

bwilson27: Morons, without federal protection, AZ would be the new kingdom of Mexican cartels.


I'll explain to these bootstrappy assholes once and for all that Arizona would and could not exist without the Feds. And I'll use one tiny word to drive that point home harder than a 747 into Building 2: water.

Arizona couldn't hope to do it alone with just the resources it has. I mean the cost of water (subsidized by Feds at 60%) AND the fact that California would love to take its 'fair' share of the Colorado River (no CAP for you, AZ). Bootstrappers and Rugged Individualists would all leave the state in droves were that to happen.

F*ck you, ALEC and idiots here who really truly think they are in some sort of isolated bubble.
2012-04-27 04:51:19 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: the only "consequences" of this, is that if Arizona wants to "ensure the survival, protection and development of children", they will have to develop a program of their own, and not implement the UN's program.


afeatheradrift.files.wordpress.com

It's a stupid bill and a stupid waste of time. We're talking about the same UN that can't even tie it's shoes without someone disagreeing about the way to tie them and holding up the whole process.

The fact a bunch of morons in Arizona are worried about this same organization and this non-binding bill or whatever makes me laugh hysterically at how stupid they really are.

The sad truth is that they don't know it and think they're the smartest ones in the room.
2012-04-27 04:46:03 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: here's a link to the rio declaration Link

i dont see the voluntary part...


To my understanding, UN General Assembly Resolutions and Declarations are only binding if they deal entirely with the internal workings of the UN (like member admission, etc), otherwise the UN Charter renders them non-binding. According to wikipedia, this is in Chapter IV, Article 10. The Security Council can pass binding resolutions, but the Rio Declaration came from the General Assembly, so I believe it's non-binding by default.

To be fair, knowing that has nothing whatsoever to do with reading the declaration itself. I'm not here to defend the Grand Moff's view, I was just trying to relay the clarification he gave me earlier, since it probably got buried in the vast middle section of the comments that fewer people will read through..
2012-04-27 03:29:34 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: jesus farking christ, you farking retarded farking morons -- please just secede, or die, or do something other than polluting our farking country with your idiotic bullshiat.


This times a billion.
2012-04-27 03:18:07 PM
1 votes:

runin800m: Philip Francis Queeg: Yeah, people love pollution, unsafe working conditions, and tainted food. Look at how people flock to places like Haiti and Somalia.

Yeah, because their only two options would be to either keep all of the existing regulations in place or be Somalia and have zero regulations, right?

As I said, it would be very interesting and I think we would be able to learn a great deal from watching it unfold, especially about the cost:benefit relationship for various regulations/programs. Obviously, we know that people are going to value the extra income that they would be able to keep from lower taxes, but, like everyone, they also value a clean environment, good working conditions, and safe food, all to varying degrees. I would imagine that they would keep many regulations, do away with many, and weaken but not totally eliminate many others. I would expect that, in the end, we would see that in some cases they were able to save enough money at the expense of a small enough impact(environmental or otherwise) that people would happily make the trade off. In other cases we would likely find that the lowered regulations had too great an impact to justify a relatively small savings.

I'm not saying that I would want to be a part of this little experiment, but it would be very fascinating to watch it happen.


You suggested "much less stringent regulations" in your original post, not some minor tweaking.
2012-04-27 03:14:12 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I suppose no one in AZ bothered to read the bill. If they did, they would have come across two minor details:


So don't worry that your legislature is expressing schizophrenic bullshiat as policy.

If my uncle starts talking like that, the doctor ups his meds.
2012-04-27 03:09:10 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: GO BACK TO MEXICO, you fkn lunatics


The Mexicans are the only sane people in the state .... it's all of your psychotic grandparents performing the acts of grand idiocy
2012-04-27 03:08:04 PM
1 votes:
FTA:

"The tea party and conspiracy theorists run the state now, Campbell told msnbc.com.

Truer words have never been spoken.
2012-04-27 02:42:04 PM
1 votes:

meat0918: They're engineers that are trying to find a pattern to the randomness of life and listen to Art Bell instead of reason?


Dave Mustane also hates/fears the UN.

/Also, some nonsense about black helicopters
2012-04-27 02:38:59 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: GO BACK TO MEXICO, you fkn lunatics


No! The derp might be contagious!.

/Quarantine the area for a few years
//And reconquer the ruins all sentient life has been wiped out
2012-04-27 02:29:14 PM
1 votes:

runin800m: Additionally, if they were not bound by federal regulations and able to set their own environmental/safety/etc regulations, they could operate under much less stringent regulations that would reduce the cost of operating businesses.I think that the combination of a considerably lower tax rate and significantly lower costs for businesses to operate and comply with regulations would be extremely attractive to many people, most especially those who are fairly well off financially and some businesses.


Yeah, people love pollution, unsafe working conditions, and tainted food. Look at how people flock to places like Haiti and Somalia.
2012-04-27 02:20:01 PM
1 votes:
What is it about hot arid climates and batsh*t extremism?
2012-04-27 02:02:19 PM
1 votes:

HellRaisingHoosier: Does any American truly fear the United Nations? I sure don't. Heck, we pretty much run the thing!

/home of the brave my ass


Yes, they exist. I work with at least two Americans that fear the UN, and several more that don't fear it so much as hate it.
2012-04-27 02:00:42 PM
1 votes:
I don't know what shutting down welfare/unemployment money would do, but mass looting and people fighting over essentials like food come to mind.
2012-04-27 01:53:05 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: I don't blame them. A lot of those things sound like fascist communism. "Provide the poor with access to primary education"? Psshhh.


"Sorry, public schools are only for kids with families above the poverty line. Your parents took a pay cut, so you can't go to school anymore. Also, when you get home you'll notice that we've shut off your water and sewage, as required by law. When your parents start earning enough money again, then we'll turn them back on and let you go back to school."

I'm laughing because there's no way I can see this being taken seriously, even if passed. It has to either be ignored or quickly overturned in the courts, right?
2012-04-27 01:48:50 PM
1 votes:
God damn the farking Sun City blue hair immigrant crowd and the Tea party for farking up Arizona for the rest of us. And fark everyone in this thread with their wonderfully ignorant generalizations about the State. I was hoping the two opposing forces of weapons grade stupid would cancel each other out but I guess not. :/
2012-04-27 01:39:09 PM
1 votes:

So I went back to re-read the bill. It not only prohibits implementing or adopting "the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet" of the Rio Declaration, but also prohibits the same with respect to the "Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development", which as far as I can tell is a reference to the entirety of Agenda 21 as developed in Rio.

If I'm reading it correctly, and this really is a reference to all of Agenda 21, this opens up a whole bunch of other stuff that AZ and it's affiliates will be _prohibited_ from doing:

(From http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml)



- provide all persons urgently with the opportunity to earn a sustainable livelihood

- Empowering women through full participation in decision-making

- Respecting the cultural integrity and the rights of indigenous people and their communities

- Provide substantial increases in economically efficient resource productivity and measures to ensure that the local population benefits in adequate measure from resource use;

- Empower community organizations and people to enable them to achieve sustainable livelihoods;

- Provide the poor with access to fresh water and sanitation;

- Provide the poor with access to primary education.

- Develop and implement rational and affordable approaches to the establishment and maintenance of health facilities;

- New approaches to planning and managing health care systems and facilities should be tested, and research on ways of integrating appropriate technologies into health infrastructures supported.

- Develop new technologies for the effective control of communicable diseases;

- Promote policies and practical measures to minimize and limit, where appropriate, the generation of radioactive wastes and provide for their safe processing, conditioning, transportation and disposal;

- Ensure the survival, protection and development of children


I am still having trouble wrapping my mind around how massively broad this bill is.
2012-04-27 12:50:57 PM
1 votes:
There is no way to communicate to these....things.

They're not human anymore.

All anyone on the outside can do is encourage them to be MORE paranoid!?

Is this impression I'm recieving actually accurate?
2012-04-27 12:50:43 PM
1 votes:
God reading this thread was depressing as hell. The only things worse than Arizona politics is reading farkers crazy opinions on what the state is actually like. Things should be getting better after November.
2012-04-27 12:33:03 PM
1 votes:
Among the U.N. declaration's non-binding principles are calls for sustainable development, environmental protection, eradicating poverty, eliminating unsustainable production and consumption patterns, economic growth and the participation of women in government decisions.

so... shes going out and proving her point that she shouldn't be in office by being in office and by being terrible at it...
2012-04-27 12:19:34 PM
1 votes:
Getting yet another kick out of the state I live in. Both the wife and I are from out of state. I have a grad degree and a professional license, she actually works for ASU management and helps with the sustainability department. We're both extremely liberal and live in a small area in the downtown historic districts where there is a music and arts center (Roosevelt Row).

The one thing about AZ is this though... we're allowed to be armed to the teeth. I would have never owned a gun before moving here, but we're armed to the teeth now. It'll be a short fight, but I plan on taking as many of these f#*kers out as I can before I go down.

Of course, I'm fairly sure darwin will get to them first.
2012-04-27 12:18:12 PM
1 votes:

UCFRoadWarrior: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I suppose no one in AZ bothered to read the bill. If they did, they would have come across two minor details:

1. The entire thing is a non-binding resolution/statement of shared principles

2. Participation in achieveing any stated goals is VOLUNTARY


Score another point for reality.

Score +2 for you for common sense and understanding of basic civics

Regardless of which side of the political fence one sits on....no one seems to understand that a RESOLUTION is absolutely meaningless. A piece of toilet paper in the state capitol bathroom has as much authority as a resolution

A RESOLUTION is not a BILL....so this is not law.

Everyone should be POed that any legislative body would spend time to pass meaningless resolutions


On the contrary, everyone should be pleased that the legislators are preoccupied with meaningless resolutions. Have you seen some of the bills they try to pass?
2012-04-27 11:59:47 AM
1 votes:
LOL The Feds should get cagey and start issuing travel advisories to Arizona:

"Warning! While travelling in AZ you may be met with very stupid people carrying firearms. Travel to AZ is not recommended."
2012-04-27 11:47:28 AM
1 votes:

Zagloba: Stefanwulf: She may not be interested in understanding what I mean when I say "socialist", but I'm hoping that won't keep me from someday understanding what she means, because it's clearly something very different.

You're making the mistake of assuming that she's using the word as a literal meaning-signifier at all... it's much more likely that she (like many in the weirder fringes of the US political landscape) uses words as ingroup-outgroup signifiers, i.e. as signals whose semantics are unimportant.

See also: "keep your government hands off my Medicare".


You might be right actually. I hadn't considered that before, but it works well. It might even serve the dual role of establishing the speaker a member of the group, and of referring to a generally threatening Other, which is pretty much the outgroup, like someone in the 1960's talking about "The Man".

Thanks, that's a way I haven't thought about it before, and it seems to work better than what I was trying.
2012-04-27 11:44:29 AM
1 votes:

Antimatter: The irrational fear of the UN everything is one of the defining hallmarks of the modern conservative.

2012-04-27 11:38:26 AM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: Felgraf: The Arizona bill would make it illegal to follow anything suggested/demanded in the UN non-binding resolution.

Since it suggests sustainable lightbulbs, CFL lightbulbs would become illegal.

Wait, they're not fighting the UN thing saying that it would make the CFLs illegal, someone's saying that the AZ Bill would actually MAKE them illegal? WOW. Total mindfark right there, that's a new standard of moronic, that's for sure.


Right. This is because most of the people voting for this law have no idea what the UN's agenda 21 actually says, they are just going off the right wing propaganda about what they think it says.
2012-04-27 11:20:30 AM
1 votes:

Felgraf: The Arizona bill would make it illegal to follow anything suggested/demanded in the UN non-binding resolution.

Since it suggests sustainable lightbulbs, CFL lightbulbs would become illegal.


Wait, they're not fighting the UN thing saying that it would make the CFLs illegal, someone's saying that the AZ Bill would actually MAKE them illegal? WOW. Total mindfark right there, that's a new standard of moronic, that's for sure.
2012-04-27 11:16:42 AM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not sure, but I think the snowbirds have something to do with it

/maybe it's that huge yearly influx of radios tuned to Limbaugh


It's How Sheriff Joe keeps getting re-elected. After 3(maybe 4) months in the state, they get to vote as if they were full time residents.
2012-04-27 11:09:29 AM
1 votes:

Chameleon: Urbn: I think we should just kick them out of the country and let them destroy their state as they seem hell bent on doing. We can offer asylum to the few sane folks who don't want to go down with the crazy ship. I don't want to have to bail them out when this all comes back to bite them in their paranoid, wrinkly, old asses.

We need to seize the Colorado first, but yeah. Enjoy your golf courses without our river, douchetards!


Good point. We can start building dams and fences and tell them it's to keep the illegals out. They love public works projects when the dollars are spent to punish foreigners so we shouldn't have much blow back until we're all set to cut the state loose.
2012-04-27 11:07:59 AM
1 votes:
I believe the words of Rocco from The Boondock Saints can sum up my feelings towards the Arizona and National GOP at this time.

"Farkin' ... what the farkin' fark ... who the fark ... fark this farkin' ... how did you farkin' farks ... fark!"
2012-04-27 11:06:10 AM
1 votes:

CPennypacker: Los Angeles? I wouldn't go within 50 miles of LA. Ghastly place.


Ghastly's from Los Angeles? I didn't know that.
2012-04-27 11:04:59 AM
1 votes:

scarmig: Satanic_Hamster: scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.

UN: Recommend you don't shiat in your own underwear.

AZ: [Flips the finger][Shiats underwear][Blows horse][Something canadians] We showed you!


It may be overboard, but fingers were flipped. That's all I'm saying.


It is universally accepted among UN officials and observers that drowning yourself in the bathtub is a bad idea. You and Jan Brewer should probably show them a thing or two.
2012-04-27 11:00:49 AM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: OK, now I'm confused...

FTFA:

Among the U.N. declaration's non-binding principles are calls for sustainable development, environmental protection, eradicating poverty, eliminating unsustainable production and consumption patterns, economic growth and the participation of women in government decisions.

"We wouldn't be able to use CFL light bulbs in state buildings because that would be considered energy efficiency," Campbell said.

Campbell also said that the state's Economic Security Department, which handles unemployment and welfare benefits, could be outlawed because it has to do with eradicating poverty.

So a few questions:

1. Doesn't "non-binding" mean that it's more of an ideological pledge to work towards something, rather than a REQUIREMENT? In other words, the UN thing is more like one of those feel good things they sign to agree that everyone should strive to work towards certain goals, but there aren't sanctions or anything that follow, and no troops that enforce it. For most countries, there are 2 kinds of UN decisions: Sanctions and punishment or 'non-binding' agreements like this.

2. How are CFL's "illegal", even if this WAS a binding agreement? They are definitely a part of "sustainable development" as opposed to wasteful incandescent bulbs.

3. How does this do away with DES? Yes, this is a department set up to help the poor(Being FROM Az and having been a part of the DES system when I was a kid, I can safely say that "eradicating" poverty is a stretch of epic proportions.), but they aren't there to KEEP people in poverty, sounds like it is already doing what this agreement is designed to fix, so if anything, it would just reinforce the current position of DES.

God, I can't believe HOW farking nutty that place has gotten in the last 5 years.


The Arizona bill would make it illegal to follow anything suggested/demanded in the UN non-binding resolution.

Since it suggests sustainable lightbulbs, CFL lightbulbs would become illegal.
2012-04-27 10:57:11 AM
1 votes:
OK, now I'm confused...

FTFA:

Among the U.N. declaration's non-binding principles are calls for sustainable development, environmental protection, eradicating poverty, eliminating unsustainable production and consumption patterns, economic growth and the participation of women in government decisions.

"We wouldn't be able to use CFL light bulbs in state buildings because that would be considered energy efficiency,"
Campbell said.

Campbell also said that the state's Economic Security Department, which handles unemployment and welfare benefits, could be outlawed because it has to do with eradicating poverty.

So a few questions:

1. Doesn't "non-binding" mean that it's more of an ideological pledge to work towards something, rather than a REQUIREMENT? In other words, the UN thing is more like one of those feel good things they sign to agree that everyone should strive to work towards certain goals, but there aren't sanctions or anything that follow, and no troops that enforce it. For most countries, there are 2 kinds of UN decisions: Sanctions and punishment or 'non-binding' agreements like this.

2. How are CFL's "illegal", even if this WAS a binding agreement? They are definitely a part of "sustainable development" as opposed to wasteful incandescent bulbs.

3. How does this do away with DES? Yes, this is a department set up to help the poor(Being FROM Az and having been a part of the DES system when I was a kid, I can safely say that "eradicating" poverty is a stretch of epic proportions.), but they aren't there to KEEP people in poverty, sounds like it is already doing what this agreement is designed to fix, so if anything, it would just reinforce the current position of DES.

God, I can't believe HOW farking nutty that place has gotten in the last 5 years.
2012-04-27 10:56:48 AM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.


UN: Recommend you don't shiat in your own underwear.

AZ: [Flips the finger][Shiats underwear][Blows horse][Something canadians] We showed you!


It may be overboard, but fingers were flipped. That's all I'm saying.
2012-04-27 10:50:04 AM
1 votes:

Urbn: I think we should just kick them out of the country and let them destroy their state as they seem hell bent on doing. We can offer asylum to the few sane folks who don't want to go down with the crazy ship. I don't want to have to bail them out when this all comes back to bite them in their paranoid, wrinkly, old asses.


We need to seize the Colorado first, but yeah. Enjoy your golf courses without our river, douchetards!
2012-04-27 10:47:55 AM
1 votes:

GhostFish: Antimatter: GhostFish: The state of Arizona and all political subdivisions of this state shall not adopt or implement the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet of the United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development and the Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development adopted at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in June, 1992 or any other international law that contravenes the United States Constitution or the Constitution of Arizona.

Um. So, the text says "shall not" and not "is not required to" or something similar.

Isn't that...kind of a big farking issue? There are a lot of non-binding principles put forth in that declaration. It would seem silly to put down a blanket statement in law saying "No, we can't/won't do any of those things".

The Tea Party is dominated by religious zealots and conspiracy theorists. They thing that Agenda 21 is trying to force everyone into human internment camps in order to protect the environment. The irrational fear of the UN is one of the defining hallmarks of the modern conservative.

I really don't understand it. There's a bizarre pattern of behavior from the Right when it comes to the UN.

They attack the UN for being corrupt and weak, but demand that the UN not be able to do anything against the interests of the US.
So the weakness and corruption that they lament is largely due to their own demands.
And then they laugh at it's ineptitude while reacting fearfully of it's reach and power.

It's just...farking nuts.


It's similar to their approach for government.

Demonize the government for being ineffective, demand the government become less effective (by electing Republicans), lament the ineffectiveness of government, and laugh at its ineptitude while reacting fearfully to its reach and power.
2012-04-27 10:46:09 AM
1 votes:

Antimatter: GhostFish: The state of Arizona and all political subdivisions of this state shall not adopt or implement the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet of the United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development and the Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development adopted at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in June, 1992 or any other international law that contravenes the United States Constitution or the Constitution of Arizona.

Um. So, the text says "shall not" and not "is not required to" or something similar.

Isn't that...kind of a big farking issue? There are a lot of non-binding principles put forth in that declaration. It would seem silly to put down a blanket statement in law saying "No, we can't/won't do any of those things".

The Tea Party is dominated by religious zealots and conspiracy theorists. They thing that Agenda 21 is trying to force everyone into human internment camps in order to protect the environment. The irrational fear of the UN is one of the defining hallmarks of the modern conservative.


I really don't understand it. There's a bizarre pattern of behavior from the Right when it comes to the UN.

They attack the UN for being corrupt and weak, but demand that the UN not be able to do anything against the interests of the US.
So the weakness and corruption that they lament is largely due to their own demands.
And then they laugh at it's ineptitude while reacting fearfully of it's reach and power.

It's just...farking nuts.
2012-04-27 10:45:04 AM
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.


And yet I'm supposed to feel ashamed for thinking I'm smarter than these people.
2012-04-27 10:39:03 AM
1 votes:

scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.


How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.
2012-04-27 10:23:14 AM
1 votes:

Stefanwulf: Bontesla: This reminds me of the Thomas Kuhne book on scientific revolutions. Within his theory, Kuhne asserted that two scientific theories require complete subscription to a paradigm. Communication between those paradigms are impossible because words take on different meanings within the paradigms.

So, for example, the word socialist would mean two wildly different things between the two groups thus rendering any discussion regarding that topic impossible.

Exactly. I'm really fascinated by attempts to communicate across paradigms, in part because I've always been interdisciplinary (from undergrad through a career and now in graduate school). In my current position, just trying to figure out how to translate between scientific paradigms is seriously hard, and the sciences have so much less of a paradigm gap than the one between me and the woman who introduced this bill. Translation is often possible, though, if you keep in mind all the different ways each word is used, and the set of underlying assumptions. She may not be interested in understanding what I mean when I say "socialist", but I'm hoping that won't keep me from someday understanding what she means, because it's clearly something very different.


I'm also trying to work out what's going on although on a much different scale. I'm working on a theory that the GOP is creating an artificial revolution within the Republican Party. They used the Tea Party members as a catalyst. I'm still working out all of the details but the crux of my argument is that the GOP is working independently of the Tea Party candidates. They each have separate goals and these goals are at odds.

I'm still developing the theory and collecting data so right now - I have no idea if my conclusion is supported. I'm trying to disprove it in order to flush out any correlations, anomalies, and weaknesses.

I should pick a different hobby that feels less like work.
2012-04-27 10:16:49 AM
1 votes:
Is everyone in Arizona this farked up? If they keep this up the state will turn blue just to get the crazy out.
2012-04-27 10:11:52 AM
1 votes:
The state of Arizona and all political subdivisions of this state shall not adopt or implement the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet of the United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development and the Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development adopted at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in June, 1992 or any other international law that contravenes the United States Constitution or the Constitution of Arizona.

Um. So, the text says "shall not" and not "is not required to" or something similar.

Isn't that...kind of a big farking issue? There are a lot of non-binding principles put forth in that declaration. It would seem silly to put down a blanket statement in law saying "No, we can't/won't do any of those things".
2012-04-27 10:09:13 AM
1 votes:
I really, really want this bill to pass. I think the only way to stop some of this right-wing insanity is to allow it to succeed in destroying a state or two. Unfortunately, my state is one that would have a good chance of destroying itself.
2012-04-27 10:06:39 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: This reminds me of the Thomas Kuhne book on scientific revolutions. Within his theory, Kuhne asserted that two scientific theories require complete subscription to a paradigm. Communication between those paradigms are impossible because words take on different meanings within the paradigms.

So, for example, the word socialist would mean two wildly different things between the two groups thus rendering any discussion regarding that topic impossible.


Exactly. I'm really fascinated by attempts to communicate across paradigms, in part because I've always been interdisciplinary (from undergrad through a career and now in graduate school). In my current position, just trying to figure out how to translate between scientific paradigms is seriously hard, and the sciences have so much less of a paradigm gap than the one between me and the woman who introduced this bill. Translation is often possible, though, if you keep in mind all the different ways each word is used, and the set of underlying assumptions. She may not be interested in understanding what I mean when I say "socialist", but I'm hoping that won't keep me from someday understanding what she means, because it's clearly something very different.
2012-04-27 10:04:59 AM
1 votes:
I think we should just kick them out of the country and let them destroy their state as they seem hell bent on doing. We can offer asylum to the few sane folks who don't want to go down with the crazy ship. I don't want to have to bail them out when this all comes back to bite them in their paranoid, wrinkly, old asses.
2012-04-27 09:55:11 AM
1 votes:

karnal: CPennypacker

karnal: CPennypacker

karnal: HeartBurnKid

As a Californian, I apologize for my neighbor state. It ate lead paint chips as a child.


How many Californians does it take to screw in a light bulb?

None, light bulbs were made illegal by the energy Nazis!

You're earning idiot points at an alarming rate


Let me know when I can trade them in for a toaster.


/from Los Angeles, right?

Los Angeles? I wouldn't go within 50 miles of LA. Ghastly place.

Actually from NY. San Fran is beautiful though.

Nevermind that - what about my toaster?


I don't think anyone trusts you to operate a toaster, son.
2012-04-27 09:54:48 AM
1 votes:

PonceAlyosha: I had a similar discussion with a friend a few hours ago, but about science rather than politics. Being a particle physicist, his views of other fields are...colored by his own idea that he works at the "base line" of material and science and thus knows everything about every other field because he's too pretty for his own good and that has left him with an inflated ego. But the on topic point is, models, especially those of complex behavior, do not "nest" within each other. Your attempt to understand their ideology is exactly what stops you from understanding it. You have to think like your mental verbal representation is 100% correct at all times. Fox and their echo chamber allows this to be reinforced.


So as a side note, totally with you on the irreducibility of all other models to particle physics. And even if you could, I'm not sure any of them would be useful. Describing the way an airplane flies by telling me the state of each particle in each atom in each air molecule near it doesn't actually help me understand lift, and certainly doesn't help me build an airplane.

And on the main topic, you may be on to something. The problem is, if I stop trying to understand other people's views, and just double down on whatever my gut says, it's going to say very different things from theirs. I still won't actually end up experiencing their viewpoint. But that may be okay - I'm not sure experiencing it is the same as understanding it. And as you stated, due to some features of the viewpoint, experiencing it may actually preclude understanding it. That gives me hope that I might still be able to manage understanding from an outside perspective.
2012-04-27 09:48:44 AM
1 votes:
"Any way you want to describe it, Agenda 21 is a direct attack on the middle class and working poor"

Suddenly teabaggers/republicans care about the middle class and poor? whaaaaaa?
2012-04-27 09:46:26 AM
1 votes:

NeverDrunk23: Bontesla: FlashHarry: animal color: Fark needs a new tag.

THIS

arizona deserves it more than texas

Now, now. I think there are enough tags for both of them.

Arizona may almost end up taking Florida's tag away.

Almost in the sense that the Florida tag is for a higher degree of stupidity. With an Arizona tag, it wouldn't mean stupidity but rather complete self destruction and proud of it. Its a very dangerous degree of stupid.


Florida's just ignorant. In Arizona, it's intentional.
2012-04-27 09:39:13 AM
1 votes:

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: I lived there until 2005, in Tucson. Problem is, I was in graduate school, so I was hanging out with a bunch of liberals the whole time, and most everyone I encountered was a reasonable human being. The weirdos tended to be too left wing. Also, Tucson is practically in another reality compared to much of the state. My in-laws live there too, and I can say he is hard right, ultra conservative (no women in positions of power, etc.) and a dittohead. He eats this shiat up. I think alot of people in his neighborhood could be the same, so even there apparently there are pockets of these loons. I am told that Phoenix is the real problem area.


Thanks. I'm not sure I've ever met someone (at least in the US) who wants to keep women from holding positions of power. Or maybe I have and they just keep quiet about it. To be fair, I grew up and worked in/around DC and am now in Boston for Graduate School, so I come from a region and primarily hang out with people who are pretty far toward the other end of the spectrum, and I probably have just as many assumptions I haven't ever really questioned (such as equality between men and women).
2012-04-27 09:28:36 AM
1 votes:
This is one of the things they are outlawing...

Principle 2

States have, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations and the
principles of international law, the sovereign right to exploit their own
resources pursuant to their own environmental and developmental policies, and
the responsibility to ensure that activities within their jurisdiction or
control do not cause damage to the environment of other States or of areas
beyond the limits of national jurisdiction.

So, to protect themselves from a UN conspiracy, they are outlawing their "sovereign right to exploit their own
resources pursuant to their own environmental and developmental policies"


Which means the very law they are passing would not be valid...

but if it wasn't valid then they'd still have a sovereign right...

so then it would be valid

THE DERP IN ARIZONA HAS CREATED A LEGAL PARADOX!!!1!!1!
2012-04-27 09:27:40 AM
1 votes:

karnal: Karac

Bontesla: It may start with Hannity speaking about President Obama's sudden support of breathing. Then Hannity posits, "if Obama is such a big supporter of breathing then why is this the first time we're hearing about it? I mean, everyone agrees that breathing is good so why did it take him so long before he said anything? It isn't hard to show your support for breathing." To demonstrate how easy it is for Obama to support breathing, they will run clips of various Republican congress critters advocating for CPR classes during First Aid week. Then, it'll cut back to Hannity. Now, he's in the company of three bleached blonde "experts" in breathing.

Just imagine Fox's bleached blonde bimbo brigade in some miniskirts and low cut tops extolling the virtues of breathing, followed by demostrations of proper form and technique, culminating in lessons in how to take a deep breath and hold it. Fox News might just be watchable again.


But then the Democrats would attach regulation after regulation on the air and your breathing....they would want complete control over your each and every breath. They would determine if you are breathing too much and, as it sees fit to, would redistribute your breaths, establish new spending programs in times of air surpluses, and to return to you only that portion of your breathing which is politically expedient.


Except that, right there, only happens in your head.

In reality, the Democrats would stare at each other in disbelief but do absolutely to capitalize of the new trend. Democrats would try to resume business as usual. Each time the Republicans would cry that Obama is launching a war on breathing, the Democrats would pretend like their argument is valid by discussing the merits of this claim.
2012-04-27 09:17:53 AM
1 votes:

Stefanwulf: Do we have anyone in this thread who actually lives in AZ? I'm really curious, does this sort of thing (and do the people in the video from TFA) actually represent a significant portion of the population? Do you just meet people in bars, or at work, who are seriously worried about the UN using sustainability as an excuse to attack US liberties?

I feel like this sort of thing is born out of a culture I haven't even begun to comprehend.


I lived there until 2005, in Tucson. Problem is, I was in graduate school, so I was hanging out with a bunch of liberals the whole time, and most everyone I encountered was a reasonable human being. The weirdos tended to be too left wing. Also, Tucson is practically in another reality compared to much of the state. My in-laws live there too, and I can say he is hard right, ultra conservative (no women in positions of power, etc.) and a dittohead. He eats this shiat up. I think alot of people in his neighborhood could be the same, so even there apparently there are pockets of these loons. I am told that Phoenix is the real problem area.
2012-04-27 09:12:09 AM
1 votes:

PonceAlyosha: Stefanwulf: I feel like this sort of thing is born out of a culture I haven't even begun to comprehend.

You have to remember, the feeling is mutual. Their constructed version of reality excludes by rule any an understanding of any other one.


True. I don't expect they'd understand me either. But my constructed version of reality includes a requirement to try to understand theirs. I'm just not sure how to proceed with that sometimes.
2012-04-27 09:10:48 AM
1 votes:
Every time I think WI has finally hit bottom, I look at AZ and see the incredible distance we still have to fall. I have to go to a conference in AZ next month, and I hate that I have to in any small way contribute to their economy.
2012-04-27 09:08:35 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: It may start with Hannity speaking about President Obama's sudden support of breathing. Then Hannity posits, "if Obama is such a big supporter of breathing then why is this the first time we're hearing about it? I mean, everyone agrees that breathing is good so why did it take him so long before he said anything? It isn't hard to show your support for breathing." To demonstrate how easy it is for Obama to support breathing, they will run clips of various Republican congress critters advocating for CPR classes during First Aid week. Then, it'll cut back to Hannity. Now, he's in the company of three bleached blonde "experts" in breathing.


Just imagine Fox's bleached blonde bimbo brigade in some miniskirts and low cut tops extolling the virtues of breathing, followed by demostrations of proper form and technique, culminating in lessons in how to take a deep breath and hold it. Fox News might just be watchable again.
2012-04-27 09:03:47 AM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: Philip Francis Queeg: I would think that Objectivist oral sex would be somewhat unsatisfying.

Fact: Alan Greenspan never once had an orgasm in the presence of Ayn Rand.


I am actually rather comforted by that fact.
2012-04-27 09:03:47 AM
1 votes:

Stefanwulf: I feel like this sort of thing is born out of a culture I haven't even begun to comprehend.


You have to remember, the feeling is mutual. Their constructed version of reality excludes by rule any an understanding of any other one.
2012-04-27 09:00:55 AM
1 votes:
Do we have anyone in this thread who actually lives in AZ? I'm really curious, does this sort of thing (and do the people in the video from TFA) actually represent a significant portion of the population? Do you just meet people in bars, or at work, who are seriously worried about the UN using sustainability as an excuse to attack US liberties?

I feel like this sort of thing is born out of a culture I haven't even begun to comprehend.
2012-04-27 09:00:34 AM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: MadMonk: [i406.photobucket.com image 260x194]

Good.... Good..... Let the derp flow through you.

Just out of the frame is Alan Greenspan, Chairman of the Bed, chowing down on that beaver in the most Objectivist possible manner. Just going to town on it.


I would think that Objectivist oral sex would be somewhat unsatisfying.
2012-04-27 08:49:57 AM
1 votes:
I used to think that everybody getting behind Romney was a sign that there would be no outright Republican stupidity for at least the next year or so.

Thanks, Arizona. For a minute I thought the Republicans might have a slim chance. Not now. :)
2012-04-27 08:28:38 AM
1 votes:
Jesus Christ, Arizona. I usually roll my eyes at people suggesting state tags here on Fark all the time, but I do believe you're getting close to earning your own 'Arizona' tag.
2012-04-27 08:24:37 AM
1 votes:

El_Frijole_Blanco: Once again my decision to leave the area my family has lived in for nearly 300 years has again been validated


See? Arizona has even kicked out God.
2012-04-27 08:10:26 AM
1 votes:

tomWright: trev29: keylock71: Karac: Nah, make the QR code link to google a google maps page zoomed into their house. Bonus points if you use another QR for their work.

Lol...Even better.

That is awesome. They would go apeshiat.

Too much work, you would have to have a separate one for each house.

Better: A code that goes to a login screen at DHS, one with a sinister warning or title. Doesn't even have to be DHS, could be any government agency, after all, Black Ops hides behind many masks


You're right. Only have to generate one QR code then and it's pretty easy to just set up a dummy website log in page with all the required big government scariness.

... or you could just link it to a hires image of Obama laughing.

theswash.com
2012-04-27 08:07:54 AM
1 votes:
Arizona has now entered the race between Florida and Texas to be the dumbest state in the union.
2012-04-27 08:06:18 AM
1 votes:

animal color: Fark needs a new tag.


THIS

arizona deserves it more than texas
2012-04-27 08:02:21 AM
1 votes:
I hear Arizona will also pass a bill denying state airspace to any black helicopter under the control of NATO. It also mandates tinfoil hats for everyone.

Seriously, America used to laugh at the Birchers and other crazies with ideas like this. Now they control the Arizona legislature?

Fark needs a new tag.
2012-04-27 07:53:46 AM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Stefanwulf: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I suppose no one in AZ bothered to read the bill. If they did, they would have come across two minor details:

1. The entire thing is a non-binding resolution/statement of shared principles

2. Participation in achieving any stated goals is VOLUNTARY


Score another point for reality.

So I just read the bill (Link). It's a pretty simple bill, and I don't see anything indicating a non-binding statement, or voluntary participation. Perhaps you'd like to point out where this language is?

The points I referenced are concerning the original UN document, not AZ's bill. Wiki has a decent writeup on 'UN Agenda 21', and I believe a reference to the final report itself.


Oh, gotcha! Sorry, I assumed you were talking about the AZ bill. For the UN Declaration I'm right there with you. Non-binding, totally voluntary, and actually not even specific, just a series of principles, and generally non-scary ones at that - like cooperating with other countries in natural disaster relief.
2012-04-27 07:51:28 AM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Let AZ fend for themselves for a year, and see how they do


I'm guessing 2-3 years of near-holocaust-level roundups of Mexicans, followed by Arpaio naming himself dictator and declaring war on either Mexico or California.
2012-04-27 07:50:56 AM
1 votes:

keylock71: trev29: Central Massachusetts Tea party groups are all up in arms about Agenda 21 as well. I really want to go around in the dead of night and spray paint a weird stencil on the road in front of their houses. Something that says something like, " D.H.S--- ID 178 --- U.N. 771-- Detention---" , and then sit back and watch.

Something like this attached to the curb in front of the house (so not to violate anyone's property rights):


Ha! Just do it to houses with republican campaign signs in their yards. It'll save you some paint and work and increase the paranoia by an order of magnitude.
2012-04-27 07:49:13 AM
1 votes:

trev29: keylock71: Karac: Nah, make the QR code link to google a google maps page zoomed into their house. Bonus points if you use another QR for their work.

Lol...Even better.

That is awesome. They would go apeshiat.


Too much work, you would have to have a separate one for each house.

Better: A code that goes to a login screen at DHS, one with a sinister warning or title. Doesn't even have to be DHS, could be any government agency, after all, Black Ops hides behind many masks
2012-04-27 07:26:54 AM
1 votes:

Karac: Nah, make the QR code link to google a google maps page zoomed into their house. Bonus points if you use another QR for their work.


Lol...Even better.
2012-04-27 07:20:58 AM
1 votes:

keylock71: trev29: Central Massachusetts Tea party groups are all up in arms about Agenda 21 as well. I really want to go around in the dead of night and spray paint a weird stencil on the road in front of their houses. Something that says something like, " D.H.S--- ID 178 --- U.N. 771-- Detention---" , and then sit back and watch.

Heh... that would be funny. Though, you'd have to make it small and "hide" it somewhere, so when they do see it, they'll think they've uncovered some sinister government plot.

I would even get rid of the word "detention" and instead use a QR code next to the lettering. You could set up a web page and just have it go to a nondescript , "You do not have access to view this page" with a DHS logo or something, for the ones smart enough to know what a QR code is and how to scan it.


Nah, make the QR code link to google a google maps page zoomed into their house. Bonus points if you use another QR for their work.
2012-04-27 07:16:12 AM
1 votes:

Stefanwulf: From the Rio Declaration:

Principle 9

States should cooperate to strengthen endogenous capacity-building for sustainable development by improving scientific understanding through exchanges of scientific and technological knowledge, and by enhancing the development, adaptation, diffusion and transfer of technologies, including new and innovative technologies.

So both the government of AZ and anyone partnering with them (such as Universities) would be prohibited from developing or improving scientific understanding, or working toward the development of new technology, or adaptation/spread of existing technology? That's a winning strategy for the coming century if I ever heard one.


Considering that a derpy Tea Partier wrote the bill, are you shocked?

It is sponsored by state Sen. Judy Burges, R-Sun City West, who also sponsored a state birther bill that Brewer vetoed last year.

Of all the derpy Tea Partiers, Judy Burges is one of the derpiest.
2012-04-27 07:14:15 AM
1 votes:
Anyone want to set up a pool on how long it'll take Arizona to pass laws that would authorize year-round chupacabra hunting seasons, implement the teaching of flat-earth or alchemy theories in schools, or expose the reptilian overlords in D.C.?
2012-04-27 07:05:55 AM
1 votes:

From the Rio Declaration:

Principle 9

States should cooperate to strengthen endogenous capacity-building for sustainable development by improving scientific understanding through exchanges of scientific and technological knowledge, and by enhancing the development, adaptation, diffusion and transfer of technologies, including new and innovative technologies.


So both the government of AZ and anyone partnering with them (such as Universities) would be prohibited from developing or improving scientific understanding, or working toward the development of new technology, or adaptation/spread of existing technology? That's a winning strategy for the coming century if I ever heard one.
2012-04-27 06:53:27 AM
1 votes:

Yakk: So our crazy uncle's email chains are now creating laws?


Kind of like basing legislation on something from the National Enquirer or Weekly World News, isn't it?

I get emails from the RNC. They share their email list with all sorts of right wing groups. The derp is relentless from these groups and there is a fair amount of it concerning the UN. I'll have to take a closer look to see if any of it concerns this in particular.

I don't read each and every email that I get from them. I usually just read the subject line and delete them.The ones that I have read are usually reality-challenged.

/some of them were anti-SOPA though
2012-04-27 06:44:26 AM
1 votes:
These people are ridiculous...
2012-04-27 06:40:27 AM
1 votes:

thamike: [www.bocaratontribune.com image 523x378]

"Spainability? I wuz BORN FREE! Gimme munny!"


Yeah, that's where the REAL danger to our society is coming from. Guys like that.
Kiss up, kick down, America - makes you feel like a MAN!
2012-04-27 03:40:54 AM
1 votes:
Does that mean that the Grand Canyon is now an industrial area?

/a lot of household and hazardous waste can fit in there.
2012-04-27 03:21:29 AM
1 votes:
Yeah...I'm well passed the point where Arizona is one of the 50 that I refuse to visit, on any grounds. F*ck Arizona.
2012-04-27 03:15:19 AM
1 votes:
Are they putting something in the water that's different from the rest of the water? Or maybe it's just too much sun? Sunstroke can do funky stuff.
2012-04-27 01:18:17 AM
1 votes:
I love it. It's not saying that they can't be forced into following the directive, or that any UN directive would have to be independently ratified by the state legislature, no. Those would be useless and somewhat paranoid, but understandable. No, this says you CAN'T AGREE with the following statements:

Principle 1

Human beings are at the centre of concerns for sustainable development.
They are entitled to a healthy and productive life in harmony with nature.


So people in Arizona ARE NOT entitled to healthy and productive lives.

Principle 2

States have, in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations and the
principles of international law, the sovereign right to exploit their own
resources pursuant to their own environmental and developmental policies, and
the responsibility to ensure that activities within their jurisdiction or
control do not cause damage to the environment of other States or of areas
beyond the limits of national jurisdiction.


Arizona does not have the right to exploit their own resources, and should cause damage to their neighboring jurisdictions.

Principle 5

All States and all people shall cooperate in the essential task of
eradicating poverty as an indispensable requirement for sustainable
development, in order to decrease the disparities in standards of living and
better meet the needs of the majority of the people of the world.


Arizonans should work to screw over the poor and increase their numbers (okay, the Arizona GOP might actually like this one).

Principle 13

States shall develop national law regarding liability and compensation
for the victims of pollution and other environmental damage. States shall also
cooperate in an expeditious and more determined manner to develop further
international law regarding liability and compensation for adverse effects of
environmental damage caused by activities within their jurisdiction or control
to areas beyond their jurisdiction.


Arizonans can't have the ability to sue for compensation for pollution of their properties.

Principle 20

Women have a vital role in environmental management and development.
Their full participation is therefore essential to achieve sustainable
development.


Women in Arizona can't help make environmental policy decisions.

You have fun with that, Arizona.

/Why would anybody pick this inoffensive document to fight over? I just do not get it, but it is quite humorous.
2012-04-27 12:53:06 AM
1 votes:
I'd like to submit a bill in the AZ Senate banning the harmful chemical dihydrogen monoxide that the UN wants to put in our water supply.
2012-04-27 12:40:56 AM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Weaver95: that's awesome. just shut down unemployment and watch/see what happens.

Don't you see? This will work out great!*

Multiple factors (none of which are SB1070) are reversing the immigration tide, so the unemployed can just pull up their bootstraps and take those jobs!


*not intended to be a factual statement


while they're at it, they should disband the police and fireman unions. I mean why the hell not right?
2012-04-27 12:39:42 AM
1 votes:
Oh yeah, "sustainability" is the tea party's new dirty word. The tea party rally that my sister had the misfortune of having to attend a few weeks ago included much ranting and raving about how sustainability and sustainable development was nothing but socialism.

/Can we give Arizona back to Mexico?
//Mexico probably doesn't want to deal with them though
2012-04-27 12:37:03 AM
1 votes:
Has there ever been talk of adding people to the security council? I know we eventually dumped Kai-Shek's people for Mao's, but has there ever been a push to expand the council?

Though, of course, adding India right now, with the shiat going down in Pakistan, would be retarded. In a decade or so, maybe Brazil?
2012-04-27 12:33:18 AM
1 votes:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Thanks for making the rest of the world think we're douchebags, red state desert wasteland.

This speaks to a wider problem, though. No one takes the United Nations seriously. That's the problem with a confederation. Our confederation lasted only a few years before we flat-out rewrote it.

What we need is a stronger U.N. modeled on the tripartite bicameral model of government, with a rotating presidency modeled on the E.U. (while learning from its mistakes) It would be layered over existing federal and state governments with minimal interference and exert very little pressure on them.

The problem, however, is how to preserve a mechanism with a semblance of the Security Council in the house representation, without using an absolute veto system (which was proven to not work BEFORE THE BIRTH OF CHRIST). Preferably, this replacement would recognize the current balance of power between nation-states, but be amenable to changes, such as India finally getting a voice, or Russia losing some of their clout until they root out the mobsters.

/And I am absolutely sure this will work.


Not bad ideas, though I'd go for removing veto power period. All issues go to a vote, and no one country can stop the vote just because they don't like it.
2012-04-27 12:32:22 AM
1 votes:
that's awesome. just shut down unemployment and watch/see what happens.
2012-04-27 12:29:56 AM
1 votes:
Thanks for making the rest of the world think we're douchebags, red state desert wasteland.

This speaks to a wider problem, though. No one takes the United Nations seriously. That's the problem with a confederation. Our confederation lasted only a few years before we flat-out rewrote it.

What we need is a stronger U.N. modeled on the tripartite bicameral model of government, with a rotating presidency modeled on the E.U. (while learning from its mistakes) It would be layered over existing federal and state governments with minimal interference and exert very little pressure on them.

The problem, however, is how to preserve a mechanism with a semblance of the Security Council in the house representation, without using an absolute veto system (which was proven to not work BEFORE THE BIRTH OF CHRIST). Preferably, this replacement would recognize the current balance of power between nation-states, but be amenable to changes, such as India finally getting a voice, or Russia losing some of their clout until they root out the mobsters.

/And I am absolutely sure this will work.
2012-04-26 11:19:37 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I give up...

/just nuke it from orbit


it's the only way to be sure.

it's funny; growing up, i always thought it would be alabama or mississippi or some old confederate state that would finally go full-on batshiat, bugfark wingnut crazy. i never thought it would be arizona. i wonder why that is.
2012-04-26 11:08:18 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: violentsalvation: GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: She shows flashes of moderation. With her votes, anyways.

Really? I've never seen anything about your state representatives or your governor that represents anything except pure weapons-grade derp.

Jan vetoed this same crazy lady's birther bill and also a bill that would have allowed guns, concealed or open, to be carried in public buildings. That's all I can remember that I think we can agree was good of her.

You already have open carry. I figured it included public buildings.


sorry, government buildings.
2012-04-26 10:56:38 PM
1 votes:

violentsalvation: GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: She shows flashes of moderation. With her votes, anyways.

Really? I've never seen anything about your state representatives or your governor that represents anything except pure weapons-grade derp.

Jan vetoed this same crazy lady's birther bill and also a bill that would have allowed guns, concealed or open, to be carried in public buildings. That's all I can remember that I think we can agree was good of her.


You already have open carry. I figured it included public buildings.
2012-04-26 10:48:44 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Gotta love this crap:

"About the Rio declaration, SB1507 says "the United Nations has enlisted the support of numerous independent, shadow organizations to surreptitiously implement this agenda around the world."

That's atomic grade derp right there. But, I do love the consequences of this bill:

"We wouldn't be able to use CFL light bulbs in state buildings because that would be considered energy efficiency," Campbell said.

Campbell also said that the state's Economic Security Department, which handles unemployment and welfare benefits, could be outlawed because it has to do with eradicating poverty.

Also, Arizona universities have sustainability programs that could be banned if the bill becomes law, Campbell warned.

Arizona State University has a School of Sustainability, Northern Arizona University offers a master's in sustainable communities, and the University of Arizona has an environment and sustainability portal.

I'm SURE that the university campuses would be happy to just shut down a bunch of departments, and I'm sure the sizable number of people in AZ on unemployment would love to stop getting checks.


The thing is, we've had budget cuts every year since 2001. The Arizona Board of Regents could easily use this law as an excuse to cut departments without having to provide any other justification.
2012-04-26 10:11:24 PM
1 votes:

Nadie_AZ: She shows flashes of moderation. With her votes, anyways.


Really? I've never seen anything about your state representatives or your governor that represents anything except pure weapons-grade derp.
2012-04-26 10:04:44 PM
1 votes:
Here is the Text of the Bill for those who want to see the DERP that the AZ Legislature rolls with.

State of Arizona
Senate
Fiftieth Legislature
Second Regular Session
2012

SENATE BILL 1507

AN ACT

PROHIBITING THE STATE AND ITS POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS FROM ADOPTING OR IMPLEMENTING THE UNITED NATIONS RIO DECLARATION ON ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOPMENT.

Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:
Section 1. Rio declaration on environment and development; prohibition; definition
A. The state of Arizona and all political subdivisions of this state shall not adopt or implement the creed, doctrine, principles or any tenet of the United Nations Rio Declaration on Environment and Development and the Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development adopted at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil in June, 1992 or any other international law that contravenes the United States Constitution or the Constitution of Arizona.

B. Since the United Nations has enlisted the support of numerous independent, non-governmental organizations to implement this agenda around the world, the state of Arizona and all political subdivisions are prohibited from implementing programs of, expending any sum of money for, being a member of, receiving funding from, contracting services from, or giving financial or other forms of aid to the International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives or any of its related or affiliated organizations including Countdown 2010, Local Action for Biodiversity, European Center for Nature Conservation, the International Union for Conservation of Nature, the President's Council on Sustainable Development, enacted on July 19, 1993 by Executive Order 12852 and the White House Rural Council, enacted on June 9, 2011 by Executive Order 13575.

C. For the purposes of this section, "political subdivision" includes this state, or a county, city or town in this state, or a public partnership or any other public entity in this state.
2012-04-26 09:57:51 PM
1 votes:

violentsalvation: Nadie_AZ: I thought Jan Brewer said no more bills until the state Legislature actually passed a budget?

Pretty sure she will veto this anyway.


She shows flashes of moderation. With her votes, anyways.

Let's hope so.
2012-04-26 09:56:53 PM
1 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: 'm SURE that the university campuses would be happy to just shut down a bunch of departments


HA!

Arizona State school of sustainability is the first of its kind: a comprehensive degree-granting program with a transdisciplinary focus on finding real-world solutions to environmental, economic, and social challenges. Established in spring 2007 and enrolling undergraduates since fall 2008, the School is part of the Global Institute of Sustainability.
 
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