theknuckler_33: I have no idea, but No. 1 appears to be chuckling in the background (and not in uniform). Not sure if that is any kind of clue, but... I wonder if it is from one of the light-hearted moments typical at the end of an episode.

IIRC, it's from the bluff scene in Ménage à Troi

Satanic_Hamster: scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.

Somebody is fapping to this right now.

Urbn: I think we should just kick them out of the country and let them destroy their state as they seem hell bent on doing. We can offer asylum to the few sane folks who don't want to go down with the crazy ship. I don't want to have to bail them out when this all comes back to bite them in their paranoid, wrinkly, old asses.

We need to seize the Colorado first, but yeah. Enjoy your golf courses without our river, douchetards!

I was going to ask if we could have an "Arizona Tag", but instead we can just use "Asinine" for any story from AZ in the future, especially if it concerns politics

winterwhile: MSNBC is still on the air????

who watches them?

So what is your opinion on this bill?


Is it good, is it bad?

theknuckler_33: HallsOfMandos

Yup, found it.

Satanic_Hamster: scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.

UN: Recommend you don't shiat in your own underwear.

AZ: [Flips the finger][Shiats underwear][Blows horse][Something canadians] We showed you!


It may be overboard, but fingers were flipped. That's all I'm saying.

OK, now I'm confused...

FTFA:

Among the U.N. declaration's non-binding principles are calls for sustainable development, environmental protection, eradicating poverty, eliminating unsustainable production and consumption patterns, economic growth and the participation of women in government decisions.

"We wouldn't be able to use CFL light bulbs in state buildings because that would be considered energy efficiency," Campbell said.

Campbell also said that the state's Economic Security Department, which handles unemployment and welfare benefits, could be outlawed because it has to do with eradicating poverty.

So a few questions:

1. Doesn't "non-binding" mean that it's more of an ideological pledge to work towards something, rather than a REQUIREMENT? In other words, the UN thing is more like one of those feel good things they sign to agree that everyone should strive to work towards certain goals, but there aren't sanctions or anything that follow, and no troops that enforce it. For most countries, there are 2 kinds of UN decisions: Sanctions and punishment or 'non-binding' agreements like this.

2. How are CFL's "illegal", even if this WAS a binding agreement? They are definitely a part of "sustainable development" as opposed to wasteful incandescent bulbs.

3. How does this do away with DES? Yes, this is a department set up to help the poor(Being FROM Az and having been a part of the DES system when I was a kid, I can safely say that "eradicating" poverty is a stretch of epic proportions.), but they aren't there to KEEP people in poverty, sounds like it is already doing what this agreement is designed to fix, so if anything, it would just reinforce the current position of DES.

God, I can't believe HOW farking nutty that place has gotten in the last 5 years.

Salt Lick Steady: scarmig: so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face

Huh. While the saying is actually "to spite your face," this works.

I'm just happy someone noticed.

scarmig: Satanic_Hamster: scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.

UN: Recommend you don't shiat in your own underwear.

AZ: [Flips the finger][Shiats underwear][Blows horse][Something canadians] We showed you!


It may be overboard, but fingers were flipped. That's all I'm saying.

And you think it's cool that people in Arizona are blowing horses is cool. Something is wrong with you.

thamike: Raharu: winterwhile: MSNBC is still on the air????

who watches them?

So what is your opinion on this bill?


Is it good, is it bad?

Everyone else has Spambot on ignore??? FOREVER...
I suggest you follow.

That is head in the sand thinking! You have to call them out, confront the derp head on!

I put all the trolls/shills/spambots on my favorites, and highlight them in shades of piss yellow depending on their derp factor.
Normally I post ponies to Winterwhile, and make references to him continuing to fark that chicken, and his love for Cloaca, but this time
he was just trying to divert attention away with a misdirecting thread jack on to the topic of MSNBC.

Satanic_Hamster: And you think it's cool that people in Arizona are blowing horses is cool.

I'm sure the horses don't mind at all.

I believe the words of Rocco from The Boondock Saints can sum up my feelings towards the Arizona and National GOP at this time.

"Farkin' ... what the farkin' fark ... who the fark ... fark this farkin' ... how did you farkin' farks ... fark!"

Chameleon: Urbn: I think we should just kick them out of the country and let them destroy their state as they seem hell bent on doing. We can offer asylum to the few sane folks who don't want to go down with the crazy ship. I don't want to have to bail them out when this all comes back to bite them in their paranoid, wrinkly, old asses.

We need to seize the Colorado first, but yeah. Enjoy your golf courses without our river, douchetards!

Good point. We can start building dams and fences and tell them it's to keep the illegals out. They love public works projects when the dollars are spent to punish foreigners so we shouldn't have much blow back until we're all set to cut the state loose.

Raharu: thamike: Raharu: winterwhile: MSNBC is still on the air????

who watches them?

So what is your opinion on this bill?


Is it good, is it bad?

Everyone else has Spambot on ignore??? FOREVER...
I suggest you follow.

That is head in the sand thinking! You have to call them out, confront the derp head on!

I put all the trolls/shills/spambots on my favorites, and highlight them in shades of piss yellow depending on their derp factor.
Normally I post ponies to Winterwhile, and make references to him continuing to fark that chicken, and his love for Cloaca, but this time
he was just trying to divert attention away with a misdirecting thread jack on to the topic of MSNBC.

Its never threadjacking or offtopic when him and his ilk do it. They get special Fark rights.

Stefanwulf: She may not be interested in understanding what I mean when I say "socialist", but I'm hoping that won't keep me from someday understanding what she means, because it's clearly something very different.

You're making the mistake of assuming that she's using the word as a literal meaning-signifier at all... it's much more likely that she (like many in the weirder fringes of the US political landscape) uses words as ingroup-outgroup signifiers, i.e. as signals whose semantics are unimportant.

See also: "keep your government hands off my Medicare".

HallsOfMandos: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Stupid shiat like this is beyond words. All I can come up with is:

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BEGIN Threadjack

Have been watching ST:TNG on netflix for the last couple weeks now (on Season 3 now) and would like to know which episode that was in if anyone knows? Was lucky enough last night to catch the origin of the Picard facepalm pic (DejaQ).

END Threadjack

It is actually from season 3 episode 24, Menage a Troi. I just skipped through the episode and it comes ~39 minutes into the episode on Netflix streaming. Also, apparently in the future men wear their civilian pants pulled up past their belly buttons.

Fart_Machine: Satanic_Hamster: And you think it's cool that people in Arizona are blowing horses is cool.

I'm sure the horses don't mind at all.

"Well these horse dicks aren't going to suck themselves."

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm not sure, but I think the snowbirds have something to do with it

/maybe it's that huge yearly influx of radios tuned to Limbaugh

It's How Sheriff Joe keeps getting re-elected. After 3(maybe 4) months in the state, they get to vote as if they were full time residents.

Felgraf: The Arizona bill would make it illegal to follow anything suggested/demanded in the UN non-binding resolution.

Since it suggests sustainable lightbulbs, CFL lightbulbs would become illegal.

Wait, they're not fighting the UN thing saying that it would make the CFLs illegal, someone's saying that the AZ Bill would actually MAKE them illegal? WOW. Total mindfark right there, that's a new standard of moronic, that's for sure.

Mikey1969: Felgraf: The Arizona bill would make it illegal to follow anything suggested/demanded in the UN non-binding resolution.

Since it suggests sustainable lightbulbs, CFL lightbulbs would become illegal.

Wait, they're not fighting the UN thing saying that it would make the CFLs illegal, someone's saying that the AZ Bill would actually MAKE them illegal? WOW. Total mindfark right there, that's a new standard of moronic, that's for sure.

Yeah, the UN has a list of recommendations, and Arizona is trying to pass a law that says "It's illegal to follow any of these recommendations."

Bontesla: Stefanwulf: Bontesla: This reminds me of the Thomas Kuhne book on scientific revolutions. Within his theory, Kuhne asserted that two scientific theories require complete subscription to a paradigm. Communication between those paradigms are impossible because words take on different meanings within the paradigms.

So, for example, the word socialist would mean two wildly different things between the two groups thus rendering any discussion regarding that topic impossible.

Exactly. I'm really fascinated by attempts to communicate across paradigms, in part because I've always been interdisciplinary (from undergrad through a career and now in graduate school). In my current position, just trying to figure out how to translate between scientific paradigms is seriously hard, and the sciences have so much less of a paradigm gap than the one between me and the woman who introduced this bill. Translation is often possible, though, if you keep in mind all the different ways each word is used, and the set of underlying assumptions. She may not be interested in understanding what I mean when I say "socialist", but I'm hoping that won't keep me from someday understanding what she means, because it's clearly something very different.

I'm also trying to work out what's going on although on a much different scale. I'm working on a theory that the GOP is creating an artificial revolution within the Republican Party. They used the Tea Party members as a catalyst. I'm still working out all of the details but the crux of my argument is that the GOP is working independently of the Tea Party candidates. They each have separate goals and these goals are at odds.

I'm still developing the theory and collecting data so right now - I have no idea if my conclusion is supported. I'm trying to disprove it in order to flush out any correlations, anomalies, and weaknesses.

I should pick a different hobby that feels less like work.

I know exactly what you mean, the problem with hobbies for curious people is they often turn into work :)

Your idea seems plausible to me. How would you go about showing a lack of cooperation? There's voting records, but it'd be hard to pull out the situations in congress where the Tea Party caucus blocked an action or forced a change of direction before it came to a vote, and then the real GOP fell in line due to party/other pressures.

Satanic_Hamster: scarmig: Satanic_Hamster: scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.

UN: Recommend you don't shiat in your own underwear.

AZ: [Flips the finger][Shiats underwear][Blows horse][Something canadians] We showed you!


It may be overboard, but fingers were flipped. That's all I'm saying.

And you think it's cool that people in Arizona are blowing horses is cool. Something is wrong with you.


No, that's not actually what I said, Mr. Reading Comprehension.

But I'll humor you.

Yes, I think it's cool that people in Arizona are blowing horses is cool. Also, Canadians something.

A Dark Evil Omen: scarmig: Satanic_Hamster: scarmig: On the flip side, the UN is pretty farking useless, so while I don't think cutting off your head despite your face is a smart move for AZ, giving the UN the finger is pretty cool.

How is showing that you're illiterate morons giving the UN the finger. That's like feeling prideful that you took a shiat in your own underwear while performing oral sex on a horse while six Canadians dresses as circus clown peed on you while you gave the UN a finger.

UN: Recommend you don't shiat in your own underwear.

AZ: [Flips the finger][Shiats underwear][Blows horse][Something canadians] We showed you!


It may be overboard, but fingers were flipped. That's all I'm saying.

It is universally accepted among UN officials and observers that drowning yourself in the bathtub is a bad idea. You and Jan Brewer should probably show them a thing or two.



Actually drowning yourself in a bathtub would not be my recommended course of action. My recommended course of action would be to write a statement that says, "The UN does not have the authority to tell use whether or not drowning ourselves in a bathtub is a good idea. We'll decide that for ourselves." And then flip the finger in the general direction of the UN.

It seems like the reasonable thing to do would be to write to AZ legislators and news outlets telling them what a great idea this is. Let them know that this is the only way to secure Arizona from socialists and the UN. Sure this is just a grandstanding bill but if public support gets whipped up enough they'll look bad even if they fail to pass it. This is one of those times where their stupidity will clearly hurt and we should encourage that.

Mikey1969: Felgraf: The Arizona bill would make it illegal to follow anything suggested/demanded in the UN non-binding resolution.

Since it suggests sustainable lightbulbs, CFL lightbulbs would become illegal.

Wait, they're not fighting the UN thing saying that it would make the CFLs illegal, someone's saying that the AZ Bill would actually MAKE them illegal? WOW. Total mindfark right there, that's a new standard of moronic, that's for sure.

Right. This is because most of the people voting for this law have no idea what the UN's agenda 21 actually says, they are just going off the right wing propaganda about what they think it says.

Antimatter: Mikey1969: Felgraf: The Arizona bill would make it illegal to follow anything suggested/demanded in the UN non-binding resolution.

Since it suggests sustainable lightbulbs, CFL lightbulbs would become illegal.

Wait, they're not fighting the UN thing saying that it would make the CFLs illegal, someone's saying that the AZ Bill would actually MAKE them illegal? WOW. Total mindfark right there, that's a new standard of moronic, that's for sure.

Right. This is because most of the people voting for this law have no idea what the UN's agenda 21 actually says, they are just going off the right wing propaganda about what they think it says.

So, standard procedure?

Antimatter: The irrational fear of the UN everything is one of the defining hallmarks of the modern conservative.

Zagloba: Stefanwulf: She may not be interested in understanding what I mean when I say "socialist", but I'm hoping that won't keep me from someday understanding what she means, because it's clearly something very different.

You're making the mistake of assuming that she's using the word as a literal meaning-signifier at all... it's much more likely that she (like many in the weirder fringes of the US political landscape) uses words as ingroup-outgroup signifiers, i.e. as signals whose semantics are unimportant.

See also: "keep your government hands off my Medicare".

You might be right actually. I hadn't considered that before, but it works well. It might even serve the dual role of establishing the speaker a member of the group, and of referring to a generally threatening Other, which is pretty much the outgroup, like someone in the 1960's talking about "The Man".

Thanks, that's a way I haven't thought about it before, and it seems to work better than what I was trying.

SnakeLee: Can you imagine if Obama became Secretary-General of the UN?

I don't think they let in Secret Muslim/Time Traveling/Mars Visiting/Kenyans, especially when they use their time machines to travel back in time and commit all of the great atrocities and facilitate all of the great natural disasters on the planet...

Holocaust? Obama
Jesus' crucifixion? Obama
Krakatoa? Obama
Great Chicago Fire? Mrs. O'Leary's cow Obama
Extinction of the dinosaurs? Obama
Bataan death march? Obama

I know this is all true because I saw it on Fox News while tripping balls... There's more, too look at the 1918 flu pandemic... There were Kenyans around at that point in time. Coincidence? I think not...

nmrsnr: /Why would anybody pick this inoffensive document to fight over? I just do not get it, but it is quite humorous.

If my memory serves me correctly, I believe Glenn Beck was frothing about this about two years ago, back when he was on television.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I suppose no one in AZ bothered to read the bill. If they did, they would have come across two minor details:

1. The entire thing is a non-binding resolution/statement of shared principles

2. Participation in achieveing any stated goals is VOLUNTARY


Score another point for reality.

Score +2 for you for common sense and understanding of basic civics

Regardless of which side of the political fence one sits on....no one seems to understand that a RESOLUTION is absolutely meaningless. A piece of toilet paper in the state capitol bathroom has as much authority as a resolution

A RESOLUTION is not a BILL....so this is not law.

Everyone should be POed that any legislative body would spend time to pass meaningless resolutions

LOL The Feds should get cagey and start issuing travel advisories to Arizona:

"Warning! While travelling in AZ you may be met with very stupid people carrying firearms. Travel to AZ is not recommended."

UCFRoadWarrior: Grand_Moff_Joseph: I suppose no one in AZ bothered to read the bill. If they did, they would have come across two minor details:

1. The entire thing is a non-binding resolution/statement of shared principles

2. Participation in achieveing any stated goals is VOLUNTARY


Score another point for reality.

Score +2 for you for common sense and understanding of basic civics

Regardless of which side of the political fence one sits on....no one seems to understand that a RESOLUTION is absolutely meaningless. A piece of toilet paper in the state capitol bathroom has as much authority as a resolution

A RESOLUTION is not a BILL....so this is not law.

Everyone should be POed that any legislative body would spend time to pass meaningless resolutions

On the contrary, everyone should be pleased that the legislators are preoccupied with meaningless resolutions. Have you seen some of the bills they try to pass?

Getting yet another kick out of the state I live in. Both the wife and I are from out of state. I have a grad degree and a professional license, she actually works for ASU management and helps with the sustainability department. We're both extremely liberal and live in a small area in the downtown historic districts where there is a music and arts center (Roosevelt Row).

The one thing about AZ is this though... we're allowed to be armed to the teeth. I would have never owned a gun before moving here, but we're armed to the teeth now. It'll be a short fight, but I plan on taking as many of these f#*kers out as I can before I go down.

Of course, I'm fairly sure darwin will get to them first.

Among the U.N. declaration's non-binding principles are calls for sustainable development, environmental protection, eradicating poverty, eliminating unsustainable production and consumption patterns, economic growth and the participation of women in government decisions.

so... shes going out and proving her point that she shouldn't be in office by being in office and by being terrible at it...

darcsun: Getting yet another kick out of the state I live in. Both the wife and I are from out of state. I have a grad degree and a professional license, she actually works for ASU management and helps with the sustainability department. We're both extremely liberal and live in a small area in the downtown historic districts where there is a music and arts center (Roosevelt Row).

The one thing about AZ is this though... we're allowed to be armed to the teeth. I would have never owned a gun before moving here, but we're armed to the teeth now. It'll be a short fight, but I plan on taking as many of these f#*kers out as I can before I go down.

Of course, I'm fairly sure darwin will get to them first.

Derps typically present a large target and they don't move too fast.
Aim low and squeeze.

There is no way to communicate to these....things.

They're not human anymore.

All anyone on the outside can do is encourage them to be MORE paranoid!?

Is this impression I'm recieving actually accurate?