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2012-04-27 12:20:23 AM
How very Christian of them.
 
2012-04-27 12:28:16 AM
It's a private school. They don't have to let gays speak.
 
2012-04-27 12:28:59 AM
How ironic that bigots that hate gay men act like farking cocks.
 
2012-04-27 12:29:28 AM
He was apparently good enough to speak except for this one fact for them. Free to do what you want as a private school, and free to be called on superstitious idiocy.
 
2012-04-27 12:31:21 AM
Private catholic school it is their choice. That said, dick move catholics.
 
2012-04-27 12:32:24 AM

Vangor: He was apparently good enough to speak except for this one fact for them. Free to do what you want as a private school, and free to be called on superstitious idiocy.


To be fair to both sides, though, religion isn't always the reason behind hating gays. And gays can be religious.

I'd go so far as to say that religion only provides the afterthought reasoning for hating gays. The hate (perhaps fear) is something more natural and visceral that doesn't necessarily come from religion.
 
2012-04-27 12:32:25 AM
"My mother kept asking why and what does his sexual orientation have to do with giving a graduation speech."

Funny how they don't have an answer for that.
 
2012-04-27 12:32:27 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a private school. They don't have to let gays speak.


It's a religious school. They can be bigots, they answer to a higher authority.
 
2012-04-27 12:33:42 AM
..or they don't want to give an opposing viewpoint a pulpit.
 
2012-04-27 12:34:25 AM
The principal called the guy's Mom instead of telling him? Gutless.
 
2012-04-27 12:35:12 AM

Yogimus: ..or they don't want to give an opposing viewpoint a pulpit.


An opposing viewpoint to what?

Sheahan-Stahl says he was personally shocked and hurt by the move, especially considering his speech had nothing to do with gay rights or issues but was about family and the bright future of the graduates.

"My speech was about putting faith over fear," he says of the his speech's content, "I wanted the students at Sacred Heart Academy to know that life should be lived with the goal of achieving their dreams, and knowing that fear is something created in ourselves and can be the biggest setback."
 
2012-04-27 12:36:25 AM
Yeah, it's their school, it being private and all. I just don't want to hear their biatching when people call them out on not being like Jesus and being assholes instead. They deserve every bit of crap that flings their way.
 
2012-04-27 12:36:31 AM

IMDWalrus: "My mother kept asking why and what does his sexual orientation have to do with giving a graduation speech."

Funny how they don't have an answer for that.


In fairness, you can say the same about membership in the KKK.

It's a private school, their call.

I don't agree with their decision, just saying.
 
2012-04-27 12:36:45 AM
I have never seen an organized religious association devolve so fast from "respected faith" to "wackadoodle cult." Basically, just in my lifetime.
 
2012-04-27 12:36:54 AM

IMDWalrus: Yogimus: ..or they don't want to give an opposing viewpoint a pulpit.

An opposing viewpoint to what?

Sheahan-Stahl says he was personally shocked and hurt by the move, especially considering his speech had nothing to do with gay rights or issues but was about family and the bright future of the graduates.

"My speech was about putting faith over fear," he says of the his speech's content, "I wanted the students at Sacred Heart Academy to know that life should be lived with the goal of achieving their dreams, and knowing that fear is something created in ourselves and can be the biggest setback."


Thank militant homosexuality for instilling the fear.
 
2012-04-27 12:37:18 AM
They needed a Facebook status update to tell that that due was gay? Really?
 
2012-04-27 12:37:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a private school. They don't have to let gays speak.


It's a private school. They don't have to let blacks speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let jews speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let germans speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let women speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let the handicapped speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let veterans speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let japanese speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let latinos speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let middle-easterners speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let russians speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let Sons of the South speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let yankees speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let iowans speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let lebanese speak.
 
2012-04-27 12:37:48 AM
Yeah, they're assholes. They're also a private institution.
 
2012-04-27 12:37:54 AM
Notwithstanding this controversy, I can't find any evidence that this guy has any notoriety whatsoever to make him a worthy commencement speaker.

They couldn't get anybody better than a no-name, barely successful actor who used to be a student there to speak at their graduation?
 
2012-04-27 12:38:07 AM
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2012-04-27 12:38:22 AM

Wise_Guy: It's a private school, their call.

I don't agree with their decision, just saying.


Yeah, I can't argue with that. They're free to do what they want, but they're also free to get all of the backlash for it.
 
2012-04-27 12:38:42 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a private school. They don't have to let gays speak.


But they can be douchebags who rescind invitations.
 
2012-04-27 12:39:43 AM

12349876: AverageAmericanGuy: It's a private school. They don't have to let gays speak.

But they can be douchebags who rescind invitations.


Correct.
 
2012-04-27 12:39:51 AM

safetycap: AverageAmericanGuy: It's a private school. They don't have to let gays speak.

It's a private school. They don't have to let blacks speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let jews speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let germans speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let women speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let the handicapped speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let veterans speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let japanese speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let latinos speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let middle-easterners speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let russians speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let Sons of the South speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let yankees speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let iowans speak.
It's a private school. They don't have to let lebanese speak.


Right on all counts.
 
2012-04-27 12:40:01 AM
People who delineate between private and public schools overlook one simple fact: There's almost nothing different between public and private things anymore in the US.

What used to be community and city stadiums are now "(Corporation) Stadium/Field".
Public schools having religious-including textbooks put into their schools.
Public high schools are now selling corporate advertising in schools
Public universities being funded by large corporations which get advertising and control decisions
Big business (private corporations and banks) using pay-to-play to get their favorite people into public office
Theocrats who want religion taught as science back in the schools.
Theocrats who want to take away religious freedom and secular liberty at the behest of their "god"

The line between public and private is blurred so much in this day and age that soon saying those words will a gag for a late night comedy act because they're so far gone.

As for the situation, f*** the school for treating a respectable gay young man as a human being.

/off soapbox
 
2012-04-27 12:40:14 AM

IMDWalrus: Wise_Guy: It's a private school, their call.

I don't agree with their decision, just saying.

Yeah, I can't argue with that. They're free to do what they want, but they're also free to get all of the backlash for it.


Sure. But I doubt they're going to get much backlash from their core, which is where their money comes from.
 
2012-04-27 12:40:46 AM

Yogimus: IMDWalrus: Yogimus: ..or they don't want to give an opposing viewpoint a pulpit.

An opposing viewpoint to what?

Sheahan-Stahl says he was personally shocked and hurt by the move, especially considering his speech had nothing to do with gay rights or issues but was about family and the bright future of the graduates.

"My speech was about putting faith over fear," he says of the his speech's content, "I wanted the students at Sacred Heart Academy to know that life should be lived with the goal of achieving their dreams, and knowing that fear is something created in ourselves and can be the biggest setback."

Thank militant homosexuality for instilling the fear.


I'm gonna farking convert you to homosexuality for that statement, straight boy.
 
2012-04-27 12:41:04 AM

safetycap: It's a private school. They don't have to let blacks speak.


Being a particular race, a particular nationality, a veteran, or handicapped is a protected status. Being gay is not. Maybe I don't agree with it and maybe it'll change in the future, but as it stands, they don't have to respect it.
 
2012-04-27 12:41:23 AM
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This gay monster can't speak at your graduation either. It's too bad, too. Being an ordained minister and a religious activist, he might have had many insightful and inspiring things to say.

He's buried in Arlington. He was a Major in Intelligence, gay as can be. How he stayed in the Army under DADT, I have no idea. He was killed by an IED in Iraq while on foot patrol. 2 Bronze Stars and Purple Heart. The Pentagon tried to erase all mention of his homosexuality from his Wiki entry.

Major Alan G. Rogers. Good enough to die for the privileged elite but not good enough to speak at your ceremonies. And not good enough to marry his love or adopt or foster children in many of these wondrous United States.
 
2012-04-27 12:41:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: To be fair to both sides, though, religion isn't always the reason behind hating gays.


But it is here because the school is Catholic. Perhaps I am inferring too much, but I feel safe in my conclusion. Also, why are we being "fair to both sides"?

AverageAmericanGuy: And gays can be religious.


Sure. The gentleman in the article appears to be religious. Not sure what this has to do with my comment.

AverageAmericanGuy: I'd go so far as to say that religion only provides the afterthought reasoning for hating gays.


Not anymore. Arguments are almost entirely religious in nature or crafted after religious biases. Irreligious folk are a rarity in homosexual opposition.

AverageAmericanGuy: The hate (perhaps fear) is something more natural and visceral that doesn't necessarily come from religion.


Vaguely. Doubt the hate comes from this, however, and instead the hate spawns from religion out of revulsion or discomfort. Me, I am indifferent to homosexuality. Maybe I was born this way.
 
2012-04-27 12:41:44 AM
I'm sure this experience will only strengthen his faith.
 
2012-04-27 12:41:47 AM

wxboy: Notwithstanding this controversy, I can't find any evidence that this guy has any notoriety whatsoever to make him a worthy commencement speaker.

They couldn't get anybody better than a no-name, barely successful actor who used to be a student there to speak at their graduation?


heh I was also wondering how hard up they must've been for a keynote speaker.
 
2012-04-27 12:42:05 AM

Wise_Guy: IMDWalrus: Wise_Guy: It's a private school, their call.

I don't agree with their decision, just saying.

Yeah, I can't argue with that. They're free to do what they want, but they're also free to get all of the backlash for it.

Sure. But I doubt they're going to get much backlash from their core, which is where their money comes from.


But but but I want to hurt them for holding an opposing viewpoint!
 
2012-04-27 12:42:51 AM
He should become a priest and then he can have sex with all of the underage boys he wants, no problem.

/That took some rewriting.
 
2012-04-27 12:44:34 AM

fusillade762: I'm sure this experience will only strengthen his faith.


meh - really in their eyes being a "practicing" homosexual is a sin, just like being an adulterer or porn star. We wouldn't care if they disinvited someone caught cheating on his wife or whose porn career surfaced - to them this is no different. The decision really shouldn't be all that surprising. It's the Catholic Church after all, not on the cutting edge of societal change.
 
2012-04-27 12:44:56 AM
I hope the students come up with the right solution and announce that unless he gets to speak at the graduation, they aren't showing up.
 
2012-04-27 12:46:17 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a private school. They don't have to let gays speak.


Exactly, private school, dont like then dont send your kids there but I guess they have to fake outrage to teach these people a lesson "Its not okay to have viewpoints!"
 
2012-04-27 12:46:34 AM
Why doesn't Fark just link all Huffington Post articles here for comment?
 
2012-04-27 12:46:57 AM
Every single time one of these stories come up I'm like "Oh yea, THAT'S why I'm no longer Catholic."

It's a revelation I have every eight hours or so.
 
2012-04-27 12:46:57 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Vangor: He was apparently good enough to speak except for this one fact for them. Free to do what you want as a private school, and free to be called on superstitious idiocy.

To be fair to both sides, though, religion isn't always the reason behind hating gays. And gays can be religious.

I'd go so far as to say that religion only provides the afterthought reasoning for hating gays. The hate (perhaps fear) is something more natural and visceral that doesn't necessarily come from religion.


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2012-04-27 12:46:59 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a private school. They don't have to let gays speak.


And we don't have to let them have any vouchers, or government funding, or tax breaks of any kind. Right?
 
2012-04-27 12:47:50 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's a private school. They don't have to let gays speak.


Actually many private schools have as part of their policies non-discrimination clauses for gays and lesbians, so at those schools, being gay doesn't matter.
 
2012-04-27 12:48:28 AM
If you send your kid to a school run by people still living with outdated, middle age values then you have no reason being shocked when that school acts like it is still living with outdated, middle age values!

As for everyone who is up in arms over this, why the fark are you shocked over this?
 
2012-04-27 12:48:42 AM

WhyteRaven74: I hope the students come up with the right solution and announce that unless he gets to speak at the graduation, they aren't showing up.


Ugggh of course, because thats the solution, its not like a surprise they are in a catholic school.

I still fail to see why its a big deal if people hold opinions but dont teach any kind of hatred to the individual, its holding to a viewpoint and that doesnt have to be in line with what you have accepted as the norm.
 
2012-04-27 12:49:12 AM
Why do so many people hate on love. :(
 
2012-04-27 12:49:49 AM

WhyteRaven74: AverageAmericanGuy: It's a private school. They don't have to let gays speak.

Actually many private schools have as part of their policies non-discrimination clauses for gays and lesbians, so at those schools, being gay doesn't matter.


Private school is a lot different than private, religious school.

And some private schools take government money so they have to follow those policies.
 
2012-04-27 12:49:56 AM

Genevieve Marie: Every single time one of these stories come up I'm like "Oh yea, THAT'S why I'm no longer Catholic."

It's a revelation I have every eight hours or so.


You are no longer Catholic because your head spun around and you spit pea soup all over that priest.
 
2012-04-27 12:51:09 AM

Wise_Guy: It's a private school, their call.

I don't agree with their decision, just saying.


Pretty much. Unfortunately, there is little the speaker or anyone else can do. The school will, however, feel the wrath of bad publicity.

Any takers on how long it takes for the principal/dean/whoever to come out of the closet?
 
2012-04-27 12:51:34 AM

encyclopediaplushuman: People who delineate between private and public schools overlook one simple fact: There's almost nothing different between public and private things anymore in the US.

What used to be community and city stadiums are now "(Corporation) Stadium/Field".
Public schools having religious-including textbooks put into their schools.
Public high schools are now selling corporate advertising in schools
Public universities being funded by large corporations which get advertising and control decisions
Big business (private corporations and banks) using pay-to-play to get their favorite people into public office
Theocrats who want religion taught as science back in the schools.
Theocrats who want to take away religious freedom and secular liberty at the behest of their "god"

The line between public and private is blurred so much in this day and age that soon saying those words will a gag for a late night comedy act because they're so far gone.

As for the situation, f*** the school for treating a respectable gay young man as a human being.

/off soapbox


Bahahahahaha!
 
2012-04-27 12:51:34 AM

ByOwlLight: Why do so many people hate on buttlove. :(


FTFY
 
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