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2012-04-26 10:45:22 PM

9beers: FlashHarry: and people wonder why atheism is on the rise.

I'm an Atheist and not a huge fan of gays, what's your point?



no one said being an atheist makes you a better person, just that religion makes people worse.

cman: adamgreeney: sno man: cman: If he doesnt express his views at his job then why should they fire him?

Yeah, he is an asshole, but his free time is his own to do with what he pleases.

You would think its farked up if an employer fired an employee for attending a pro-choice rally on their own time, why treat him differently?

people get fired for stuff on their FB page every day...why should this guy get special treatment?

Because cman is very homophobic and is absolutely ok with discrimination against the "evil gays."

If you are gonna spout bullshiat out of your mouth in an attempt to defame me I suggest you at least get some data to back it up



Yes, he must cite at least three (3) peer-reviewed sources and Wikipedia can NOT be one of them.
 
2012-04-26 10:45:33 PM

El Freak: Wow, somebody involved in sports is a homophobic fundie asshole? I AM SHOCKED.


Sanduckied, is more like it.
 
2012-04-26 10:46:11 PM
I'm often amused when blacks openly argue in favor of prejudism.

I hope he gets his wish and the school calls him an idiot and kicks him out. I don't expect it to happen.

He sure does a lot of screaming about Jesus and God for someone who apparently has never paid any attention to the New Testament.
 
2012-04-26 10:46:49 PM
Next thing you know he'll implement a "hit pool" against gay or suspected gay athletes.
 
2012-04-26 10:47:15 PM

Molavian: Don't believe what someone else believes, get fired.

Yeah, nothing f*cked up about that.


Discriminate, publicly, against a protected class of folks, in violation of local law and employer policy, get fired?

There's nothing farked up about that. He needs to to be fired.
 
2012-04-26 10:48:30 PM

cman: If he doesnt express his views at his job then why should they fire him?

Yeah, he is an asshole, but his free time is his own to do with what he pleases.

You would think its farked up if an employer fired an employee for attending a pro-choice rally on their own time, why treat him differently?


His opinions will tend to create a hostile environment for players who are gay, if there are any, and furthermore it will tend to dissuade future players from considering Nebraska. This will remain true even if he doesn't express his views on the job. This is absolutely reason to fire him. Your analogy fails, by the way; sexual orientation isn't just a political issue, it's a matter of basic makeup, like race or gender.

All of this is so obvious that I can only conclude you're failing to see it on purpose.
 
2012-04-26 10:48:32 PM

JuggleGeek: I'm often amused when blacks openly argue in favor of prejudism.

I hope he gets his wish and the school calls him an idiot and kicks him out. I don't expect it to happen.

He sure does a lot of screaming about Jesus and God for someone who apparently has never paid any attention to the New Testament.


'Fark you, got mine" in action - as long as he's not on the receiving end, well, discrimination's all right by him.
 
2012-04-26 10:48:43 PM
It's nice to see people say he has a right to his view even if he is wrong and they will stick by his right to express his views.
I too would fight so others can express views that I might feel are wrong.
 
2012-04-26 10:49:03 PM

Kuta: Next thing you know he'll implement a "hit pool" against gay or suspected gay athletes.


Sports already has something like that in a manner of speaking (not against homosexuals).

If you find someone better than you, you take a tire iron to the back of their knee
 
2012-04-26 10:49:05 PM

9beers: FlashHarry: and people wonder why atheism is on the rise.

I'm an Atheist and not a huge fan of gays, what's your point?


So atheist that you capitalize atheist.

/also an atheist
 
2012-04-26 10:49:54 PM
Because a sport where people wear spandex capris and lay on each other isn't just a little homoerotic.

/ducks
 
2012-04-26 10:49:56 PM

Molavian: Don't believe what someone else believes, get fired.
Yeah, nothing f*cked up about that.


It is f*cked up that gay people wouldn't get anti-discrimination protection and possibly fired for their views. I agree with you.
 
2012-04-26 10:50:55 PM

Molavian: Don't believe what someone else believes, get fired.

Yeah, nothing f*cked up about that.

What if he said that he was anti-black people publicly? What then?
 
2012-04-26 10:51:03 PM
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vudukungfu: Also, Judas hanged himself over guilt for being a bottom to Jesus.
Mary swallowed.
And Paul had a crush on the Savior and blogged about it because he was denied the cawk.
/it crowed 3 times.


*You shoudn't feel insecure just because Jesus loves you, unless you're in a Mexican jail.

*imus
 
2012-04-26 10:52:03 PM
The coach doth protest too much. Interesting career choice, one where he can watch young men shower.

Young, virile, athletic, blossoming men.
 
2012-04-26 10:52:25 PM
The bible also says eating shellfish or pork is a sin. Is he just going to make up his own morals and eat shellfish or pork, or is he going to follow the teachings of the Lord?
The bible says slavery is OK, is he going to follow the teachings of the bible and go back to being a slave like his ancestors?

Or have we out grown all that bullshiat?
 
2012-04-26 10:53:35 PM
What does Tom "Real Men Don't Use Porn" Osborne have to say about all of this?
 
2012-04-26 10:53:53 PM

malaktaus: cman: If he doesnt express his views at his job then why should they fire him?

Yeah, he is an asshole, but his free time is his own to do with what he pleases.

You would think its farked up if an employer fired an employee for attending a pro-choice rally on their own time, why treat him differently?

His opinions will tend to create a hostile environment for players who are gay, if there are any, and furthermore it will tend to dissuade future players from considering Nebraska. This will remain true even if he doesn't express his views on the job. This is absolutely reason to fire him. Your analogy fails, by the way; sexual orientation isn't just a political issue, it's a matter of basic makeup, like race or gender.

All of this is so obvious that I can only conclude you're failing to see it on purpose.


This is one of those tricky areas, I will give you that much. It is rather hard to see the best course of action: either uphold ones right to speak freely or to shiatcan him for discouraging homosexuals from joining the football team.

This is a case where punishment is surely warranted. I had one big gripe about their punishment, it was too damn soft. Those assholes should have been expelled. But, there were different circumstances, as they were on school property at a school event wearing school uniforms.

/In summery, there is no real way to win, lol
 
2012-04-26 10:54:00 PM
I hate how people think free speech means you can say anything you want an not get fired. Free speech means you can say what you want without being prosecuted.
 
2012-04-26 10:54:01 PM
So by the way these comments are going I assume freedom of speech and religion have gone by the wayside?

So the Federal Government arrested him for his views and/or religion? I must have missed that part.
 
2012-04-26 10:55:41 PM

trailerpimp: So by the way these comments are going I assume freedom of speech and religion have gone by the wayside?


So what branch of the government does the University of Nebraska's athletic department fall under?
 
2012-04-26 10:56:26 PM

thatboyoverthere: What if he said that he was anti-black people publicly? What then?


Like the KKK they/he would have a right to have his own opinions and to express them. How would we truly know how farked up the KKK is if we wouldn't let them tell us what they were all about.

But seeing how he is black I'll go out on a limb and guess he isn't anti-black but you never know.
 
2012-04-26 10:56:50 PM
Guy is a a-hole but it doesn't rise to the level of being fired. He was commenting about a proposed ordinance and exercising his first amendment rights to sound like a schmuck.
 
2012-04-26 10:57:07 PM

cman: If he doesnt express his views at his job then why should they fire him?

Yeah, he is an asshole, but his free time is his own to do with what he pleases.

You would think its farked up if an employer fired an employee for attending a pro-choice rally on their own time, why treat him differently?


You wouldn't think it's farked up if an employer fired an employee for attending a Klan rally on their own time, why treat him [Brown] differently?
 
2012-04-26 10:58:35 PM
Well, honor him, then. Other schools should also honor him by not hiring him.
 
2012-04-26 10:59:10 PM

9beers: FlashHarry: and people wonder why atheism is on the rise.

I'm an Atheist and not a huge fan of gays, what's your point?


Because there's a difference between denying a group of people basic human rights "because Jeebus," and disliking a group of people because they're self righteous assholes whose parades cause traffic jams during peak commuting times.
 
2012-04-26 11:00:05 PM

Molavian: Don't believe what someone else believes, get fired.

Yeah, nothing f*cked up about that.


Uh, dude, he's a bigot. You don't think that could interfere with how he does his job?
 
2012-04-26 11:00:28 PM

Sgt Otter: trailerpimp: So by the way these comments are going I assume freedom of speech and religion have gone by the wayside?

So what branch of the government does the University of Nebraska's athletic department fall under?


Probably some level of state government since, it's you know, a state run university
 
2012-04-26 11:00:56 PM

FormlessOne: Molavian: Don't believe what someone else believes, get fired.

Yeah, nothing f*cked up about that.

Discriminate, publicly, against a protected class of folks, in violation of local law and employer policy, get fired?

There's nothing farked up about that. He needs to to be fired.


This.

You can have all the unpopular views you want; but if you're in a position where you can and do actually discriminate against people and get your employer in trouble...then you're skating on very thin ice, at best. If you want to have your own discriminatory views, then don't be in a position where you can get fired for discrimination.

It may be appalling that freedom of speech clashes with other people's rights, but that's how it goes.
 
2012-04-26 11:00:59 PM

velvet_fog: dahmers love zombie: FlashHarry: cman: If he doesnt express his views at his job then why should they fire him?

Yeah, he is an asshole, but his free time is his own to do with what he pleases.

You would think its farked up if an employer fired an employee for attending a pro-choice rally on their own time, why treat him differently?

actually, i kind of agree with this. it's his right to be an asshole. as long as he's not an asshole at work, who cares?

Here's the problem -- if you're a night janitor, and you spout anti-gay views, you really aren't acting as an ambassador for your school. If you're an assistant coach, you definitely ARE "on stage" as a direct representative of the school much of the time.

The difference is there. You might consider it unfair, but them's the breaks. The tradeoff for getting decent bucks and national exposure is that you have to keep a civil tongue in your head about other people.

I agree that if Brown distinguished his views as a private person from his employment at a public university, I wouldn't care. But Ron Brown got into a shiatload of trouble with Harvey Perlman and Tom Osborne at the hearing before the Omaha ordinance passed when he told people to mail him at his University address instead of his personal address. He was speaking as Husker Asst. Coach Ron Brown, not Private Citizen Ron Brown. Really wish he would've gotten canned then and there - Brown uses his status as a UNL employee all the time to champion his far-right causes. The guy is a serial idiot and an embarrassment to me as both a UNL grad student and a Nebraskan.


See, I kind of suspected that something like this would be the truth behind this story - the guy isn't being persecuted because of his "views" at all.
 
2012-04-26 11:01:56 PM

pion: cman: If he doesnt express his views at his job then why should they fire him?

Yeah, he is an asshole, but his free time is his own to do with what he pleases.

You would think its farked up if an employer fired an employee for attending a pro-choice rally on their own time, why treat him differently?

You wouldn't think it's farked up if an employer fired an employee for attending a Klan rally on their own time, why treat him [Brown] differently?


The guy wasn't at a klan rally. He was testifying at a public meeting. He was being this guy, if this guy was a homophobe.

picturingamerica.wiki.ccsd.edu
 
2012-04-26 11:02:15 PM

Tyee: It's nice to see people say he has a right to his view even if he is wrong and they will stick by his right to express his views.
I too would fight so others can express views that I might feel are wrong.


He has a right to his view, on his time. He's not being "fired for his faith." He fancies himself a martyr.

He should be fired for violating the anti-discrimination policy of his employer. The second he communicated that view as an employee with an anti-discrimination policy, the door shouldn't have hit him in the ass on the way out of his exit interview. The employer does not have to accomodate bigotry.

As an employee, he represents the school in all activities involving the school. He just told an entire country full of prospective Cornhusker attendees that, if you're gay, don't bother coming to that school for football and, well, if you're already at that school and you're gay, you best not be on the football program.

I'm surprised that he's not already fired, to be honest.
 
2012-04-26 11:04:58 PM

FormlessOne: Tyee: It's nice to see people say he has a right to his view even if he is wrong and they will stick by his right to express his views.
I too would fight so others can express views that I might feel are wrong.

He has a right to his view, on his time. He's not being "fired for his faith." He fancies himself a martyr.

He should be fired for violating the anti-discrimination policy of his employer. The second he communicated that view as an employee with an anti-discrimination policy, the door shouldn't have hit him in the ass on the way out of his exit interview. The employer does not have to accomodate bigotry.

As an employee, he represents the school in all activities involving the school. He just told an entire country full of prospective Cornhusker attendees that, if you're gay, don't bother coming to that school for football and, well, if you're already at that school and you're gay, you best not be on the football program.

I'm surprised that he's not already fired, to be honest.


I don't see where it says he referred to himself as Coach Ron Brown of Nebraska at any point. Sure everyone may have recognized him, but it's not his fault that Nebraskans know the names of every coach on the staff down to the grad assistants

/Yes they are stupid views, but I don't think he should be fired for them
 
2012-04-26 11:05:01 PM

9beers: FlashHarry: and people wonder why atheism is on the rise.

I'm an Atheist and not a huge fan of gays, what's your point?


You really couldn't connect the dots here? The coach's anti-gay tirade was rooted in Christianity. So FH was implying that atheism is spreading because there's no bigoted dogma associated with it, unlike Christianity. How could you not figure that out? Never mind, I don't care.
 
2012-04-26 11:05:53 PM
Hi.

Yer fired, son.

Grow some brains, come back next year, and tell me why yer so farking daft.

Thank you.

;)

P.S. Let me subsume you: 'tis religion, right?

P.P.S. Don't answer.
 
2012-04-26 11:07:22 PM
Don't hate the cornholers, hate the Cornhuskers.
 
2012-04-26 11:08:52 PM
Amusing, to me at least, EDSBS article on the subject: Link
 
2012-04-26 11:09:20 PM
Ron Brown: "what does God say"?

Answer: There is nothing in the Bible where either God or Jesus say anything against gays.

We did get a couple anti-gay comments from Leviticus, a man who claimed to have spoken to God.

Leviticus is entitled to his opinion, but until he can show some kind of superpowers, I'm not worshiping him as a God.
 
2012-04-26 11:10:25 PM

Barael's Blade: I hope the university does the right thing and "honors" him like he so badly wants them to. It'll play right into his built in xian persecution complex.


I'm just as disgusted by this idiot's views as you seem to be but firing him for holding and expressing unpopular views is wrong. Until he actually kicks a kid off of the team for being gay or harasses skid for being gay he should be left alone. The cure for bad speech is more good speech. If you don't like what he says stand up to him, point out how wrong he is, make him look like the ass he is.
 
2012-04-26 11:10:36 PM

Relatively Obscure: Then do the honorable thing.


I don't believe these guys believe in seppaku.
 
2012-04-26 11:11:33 PM
Brown -- who reportedly heads a Christian ministry called FreedMen Nebraska

Sounds gay. We will have cell phone footage of him smoking cock before the year is out. NTTAWWT.
 
2012-04-26 11:11:36 PM

Tyee: thatboyoverthere: What if he said that he was anti-black people publicly? What then?

Like the KKK they/he would have a right to have his own opinions and to express them. How would we truly know how farked up the KKK is if we wouldn't let them tell us what they were all about.

But seeing how he is black I'll go out on a limb and guess he isn't anti-black but you never know.


And that's what I get for not RTFA.
 
2012-04-26 11:12:53 PM

SandMann: pion: cman: If he doesnt express his views at his job then why should they fire him?

Yeah, he is an asshole, but his free time is his own to do with what he pleases.

You would think its farked up if an employer fired an employee for attending a pro-choice rally on their own time, why treat him differently?

You wouldn't think it's farked up if an employer fired an employee for attending a Klan rally on their own time, why treat him [Brown] differently?

The guy wasn't at a klan rally. He was testifying at a public meeting. He was being this guy, if this guy was a homophobe.

[picturingamerica.wiki.ccsd.edu image 361x450]


Wow, did you miss the point...

The picture you dropped in was the exact opposite of what the coach did at that meeting. See, that picture is supposed to demonstrate that, in a democracy, anyone, no matter how high or low on the social totem pole, has a voice, by showing a "salt of the earth" guy exercising his right to be heard.

The assistant coach, on the other hand, is a prominent member of society and a visible figure with regards to his employer - an officer of the company, if you will. The idiot even provided his University email address, further reinforcing that idea. He dragged his employer into a situation that didn't have to happen. His employer now has to deal with the fact that this asshat traveled to a city where he does not reside in order to threaten council members there with divine retribution if the city made gender identity and sexual orientation a protected class.

See? Not really the same thing at all. The folks hoping that Brown can be their new right-wing hero are attempting to spin this as a "LOOK! LOOK! THEY'RE REPRESSING HIS GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO SPEAK!" issue, when in fact what he did was publicly violate the policy of his employer, and then, when confronted, demonstrated that he'll continue to be an embarrassment for the Cornhusker program.
 
2012-04-26 11:12:59 PM
He should be given an honorary ribbon

i303.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-26 11:13:35 PM

cman: Kuta: Next thing you know he'll implement a "hit pool" against gay or suspected gay athletes.

Sports already has something like that in a manner of speaking (not against homosexuals).

If you find someone better than you, you take a tire iron to the back of their knee


Did you just refer figure skating as a sport?

Don't fire the guy for being an asshole. But make sure that it is clear that the university does not share his views. Freedom of speech goes both ways. Just make sure that your employees do not represent your institution.
 
2012-04-26 11:15:06 PM
Huff Po.

/didn't click.
//does anyone have a better source?
 
2012-04-26 11:17:02 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Molavian: Don't believe what someone else believes, get fired.

Yeah, nothing f*cked up about that.

Uh, dude, he's a bigot. You don't think that could interfere with how he does his job?


Well, it could. But then again, maybe it won't.

Fire his ass if he violates the school's antidiscrimination policy, but otherwise you're just feeding their victimization fetish.
 
2012-04-26 11:17:08 PM
The university hired him to be a football coach and as long as he does that job well enough to keep it he should. If the issue wasn't so provocative most wouldn't care what his views are, he's a football coach not the Governor, his views don't matter unless it is the issue. He has a right to his views, and to be wrong....or right.

We should never suppress thoughts or views, it helps to show where they, the views and those who hold them maybe wrong or right. And we can always choose not to listen to those who are wrong.

Finally if you want to call for his head you would have to show he has discriminated against gays and in an illegal way. I don't think he has a position to do that and if he is would or will he?.
 
2012-04-26 11:17:58 PM
Good for him.

/nice to see someone who actually realizes that comparing sexuality/gender to skin color is like apples and oranges
 
2012-04-26 11:21:11 PM
You know who else had a faith?
 
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