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(The New York Times)   Old and busted: Late night debt collection calls. New Hotness: Debt collectors in emergency rooms. Why, yes- there IS a lawsuit already pending   (nytimes.com) divider line 376
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2012-04-26 02:33:12 PM
Do you know what the best way is to avoid a debt collector?

Give a fake name and SSN

/Be careful, you may end up in prison
 
2012-04-26 02:36:03 PM
Or maybe enact health care/insurance reform OH WAIT TRIED THAT, SOCIALISM
 
2012-04-26 02:36:08 PM
I'd fake a spasm and "accidentally" fling blood into their mouths, and then tell them I had aids.
 
2012-04-26 02:40:57 PM

cman: Do you know what the best way is to avoid a debt collector?


Pay your bills?
 
2012-04-26 02:41:41 PM

kronicfeld: cman: Do you know what the best way is to avoid a debt collector?

Pay your bills?


This is Fark, an arm of the Democratic party. How dare you make such a statement on this site.
 
2012-04-26 02:50:06 PM
America: Where a debt collector has more rights to hospital visitation than gay people.
 
2012-04-26 02:52:50 PM
America: Where debt collection is more important than reasonably priced medical care.
 
2012-04-26 02:54:48 PM
America: Where its patriotic to not pay one's debts
 
2012-04-26 02:56:14 PM

kronicfeld: cman: Do you know what the best way is to avoid a debt collector?

Pay your bills?


Die quickly?
 
2012-04-26 02:59:59 PM
America: Where only the rich deserve to live.
 
2012-04-26 03:00:06 PM

cman: America: Where its patriotic to not pay one's debts


As demonstrated by the presidency of Ronald Reagan.
 
2012-04-26 03:01:07 PM

cman: America: Where its patriotic to not pay one's debts


Will you give it a rest? The average person can't pay a goddamn $70,000 medical bill when they need emergency surgery and are in the ICU for a few days. That doesn't mean they're a deadbeat.

I've seen you around. You're not this dumb so just knock it off, come on.
 
2012-04-26 03:05:10 PM

Elandriel: cman: America: Where its patriotic to not pay one's debts

Will you give it a rest? The average person can't pay a goddamn $70,000 medical bill when they need emergency surgery and are in the ICU for a few days. That doesn't mean they're a deadbeat.

I've seen you around. You're not this dumb so just knock it off, come on.


My apologies, It constantly slips my mind that emotion does not travel well over the internet. It was satire, nothing else, as I was showing the posters above me that their "America:" statements were overly simplistic and wrong.
 
2012-04-26 03:08:04 PM

cman: My apologies, It constantly slips my mind that emotion does not travel well over the internet. It was satire, nothing else, as I was showing the posters above me that their "America:" statements were overly simplistic and wrong.


What's wrong or simplistic about it?

In many, many places a gay person wouldn't be allowed to visit his or her partner whereas a debt collector would have that right.
 
2012-04-26 03:14:36 PM

Elandriel: cman: America: Where its patriotic to not pay one's debts

Will you give it a rest? The average person can't pay a goddamn $70,000 medical bill when they need emergency surgery and are in the ICU for a few days. That doesn't mean they're a deadbeat.


True.

But, there are the cases mentioned where people already have outstanding/past due accounts and are coming back for more care. If I'm the hospital, I would be pissed that I have to give care to this person that has already shown that they can't or won't pay for the thousands of dollars of service I'm about to give them.
 
2012-04-26 03:20:34 PM

SilentStrider: cman: America: Where its patriotic to not pay one's debts

As demonstrated by the presidency of Ronald Reagan.


Annnnnddddd we're done.
 
2012-04-26 03:24:40 PM
I'm betting this is aimed at people who come into the ER for every damned thing under the sun, like a cold or a hangnail, and not people with legitimate emergencies. I'm not advocating the practice, but I can see where they'd have a problem with repeat deadbeat customers abusing the availability of services.
 
2012-04-26 03:27:17 PM

kidgenius: Elandriel: cman: America: Where its patriotic to not pay one's debts

Will you give it a rest? The average person can't pay a goddamn $70,000 medical bill when they need emergency surgery and are in the ICU for a few days. That doesn't mean they're a deadbeat.

True.

But, there are the cases mentioned where people already have outstanding/past due accounts and are coming back for more care. If I'm the hospital, I would be pissed that I have to give care to this person that has already shown that they can't or won't pay for the thousands of dollars of service I'm about to give them.


True, but at least some of these people have 1)chronic health problems & 2)can't afford health insurance and are forced to use the ER as their primary care physician since the ER can't legally turn them away.
 
2012-04-26 03:27:36 PM
Mary Tolan done goofed.
 
2012-04-26 03:28:19 PM

Nabb1: I'm betting this is aimed at people who come into the ER for every damned thing under the sun, like a cold or a hangnail, and not people with legitimate emergencies. I'm not advocating the practice, but I can see where they'd have a problem with repeat deadbeat customers abusing the availability of services.


How much?
 
2012-04-26 03:31:35 PM

Bathia_Mapes:
True, but at least some of these people have 1)chronic health problems & 2)can't afford health insurance and are forced to use the ER as their primary care physician since the ER can't legally turn them away.


And that's why I'm unsure of how the new healthcare system will fix this though. If we now are required to have insurance, but you can't afford it, and you can't afford the penalties, then what do you do? Nothing has been fixed.

Single-payer really is about the only way to go about it if you are going to mandate insurance.
 
2012-04-26 03:40:32 PM

cman: My apologies, It constantly slips my mind that emotion does not travel well over the internet. It was satire, nothing else, as I was showing the posters above me that their "America:" statements were overly simplistic and wrong.


This is why I said

Elandriel: ...You're not this dumb...

Actual retractions set you miles apart and it's nice to at least have somewhat reasoned discourse with someone that doesn't necessarily think the same way.
 
2012-04-26 03:48:37 PM

kronicfeld: cman: Do you know what the best way is to avoid a debt collector?

Pay your bills?


That's not a very popular solution, considering that the majority of personal bankruptcies are over medical bills.

You obviously haven't had to interact with the US health care system in any serious fashion.
 
2012-04-26 04:00:09 PM

Marcus Aurelius: That's not a very popular solution, considering that the majority of personal bankruptcies are over medical bills.


Fallacious statistic. The majority of personal bankruptcies list a medical provider as a creditor or claimant. That is not the same as the claim causing the bankruptcy.
 
2012-04-26 04:17:20 PM
Thanks a lot, 0bama.
 
2012-04-26 04:25:08 PM

kronicfeld: Marcus Aurelius: That's not a very popular solution, considering that the majority of personal bankruptcies are over medical bills.

Fallacious statistic. The majority of personal bankruptcies list a medical provider as a creditor or claimant. That is not the same as the claim causing the bankruptcy.


Moral weakness is what causes bankruptcy, and we just encourage people to be poor when we pretend there might be another cause.
 
2012-04-26 04:36:07 PM

kidgenius: True.

But, there are the cases mentioned where people already have outstanding/past due accounts and are coming back for more care. If I'm the hospital, I would be pissed that I have to give care to this person that has already shown that they can't or won't pay for the thousands of dollars of service I'm about to give them.


Wouldn't be a problem if hospitals weren't for-profit, now would it.
 
2012-04-26 04:38:52 PM

kronicfeld: Marcus Aurelius: That's not a very popular solution, considering that the majority of personal bankruptcies are over medical bills.

Fallacious statistic. The majority of personal bankruptcies list a medical provider as a creditor or claimant. That is not the same as the claim causing the bankruptcy.


You must have different statisticals than me.
 
2012-04-26 04:45:23 PM

Marcus Aurelius: kronicfeld: Marcus Aurelius: That's not a very popular solution, considering that the majority of personal bankruptcies are over medical bills.

Fallacious statistic. The majority of personal bankruptcies list a medical provider as a creditor or claimant. That is not the same as the claim causing the bankruptcy.

You must have different statisticals than me.


That's a nice set of statisticals you have there. *whistles*
 
2012-04-26 04:46:22 PM
America: The best health care in the world, but only if you can afford it.
 
2012-04-26 04:46:57 PM
for profit healthcare system FTL!
 
2012-04-26 04:48:30 PM

Methadone Girls: Marcus Aurelius: kronicfeld: Marcus Aurelius: That's not a very popular solution, considering that the majority of personal bankruptcies are over medical bills.

Fallacious statistic. The majority of personal bankruptcies list a medical provider as a creditor or claimant. That is not the same as the claim causing the bankruptcy.

You must have different statisticals than me.

That's a nice set of statisticals you have there. *whistles*


I don't show them to just anybody, you know....
 
2012-04-26 04:49:54 PM
What about late night debt collection calls to your house for people you're related to but live 100 miles away? Or people you're not even related to and don't even know? Because that's what I keep getting. Collectons, telemarketers, spammers, spyware programmers, virus programmers. Give me a chainsaw and put me in a room with each and every one of them. I will win.
/did I miss anyone?
 
2012-04-26 04:50:25 PM

Aarontology: America: Where a debt collector has more rights to hospital visitation than gay people.


Man, it must suck to be a gay debt collector around here.

Although I'm not sure how you'd go about collecting a gay debt.
 
2012-04-26 04:51:39 PM
America. Where health care is administered by failed stockbrokers and measured in 13.00 Tylenol and new BMWs.
 
2012-04-26 04:52:14 PM

cman: This is Fark, an arm of the Democratic party. How dare you make such a statement on this site.


i33.tinypic.com

awww, poor guy, i guess you missed all the NRO, WND, RCP, daily caller, blaze, fox, and townhall links that are regularly greenlit on fark.
 
2012-04-26 04:52:34 PM

Nabb1: I'm betting this is aimed at people who come into the ER for every damned thing under the sun, like a cold or a hangnail, and not people with legitimate emergencies. I'm not advocating the practice, but I can see where they'd have a problem with repeat deadbeat customers abusing the availability of services.


FTA: Collection activities extended from obstetrics to the emergency room. In July 2010, an Accretive manager told staff members at Fairview that they should "get cracking on labor and delivery," since there is a "good chunk to be collected there," according to company e-mails.

That does not sound to me like a crackdown on people abusing the ER.
 
2012-04-26 04:53:06 PM
NO shiat?

thechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-04-26 04:56:05 PM

Aarontology: cman: My apologies, It constantly slips my mind that emotion does not travel well over the internet. It was satire, nothing else, as I was showing the posters above me that their "America:" statements were overly simplistic and wrong.

What's wrong or simplistic about it?

In many, many places a gay person wouldn't be allowed to visit his or her partner whereas a debt collector would have that right.


not being allowed to visit in hospital may apply to many people who do not claim to be a direct relative. you simply tell them you are the patients brother, uncle, some sort of direct relative. it is no ones business if you are a mans gay sex partner, which would be a slightly unusual thing to say at the reception desk to begin with.
 
2012-04-26 04:56:46 PM
Put health care out of range of the poor and working class. Call the system every other first world country has "libtard soshlist Muslim" health care that will lead to Trotsky coming back from the grave to put infants on spikes on the white house lawn. Tell the working poor to "just go to the ER". Bill the living sh*t out of them anyway and pester them to an early grave as part of your health care philosophy. Yeah, that's not a profit driven cash cow that only serves wealth. Nope. Not one bit.
 
2012-04-26 04:57:50 PM
How about an article that explains the way a debt collection company actually works and then, if you're gifted in the field, how to start your own to actually help people?
 
2012-04-26 04:59:06 PM
The collectors that work for the hospital are easy to spot - they are in business attire moving among the care providers; often in black; way over dressed.

I remember being on the edge of passing out as I was admitted and I had one of those jagoffs grilling me, and grabbing for my back-pack because they thought my check-book might be in there. If I wasn't half keeling over I would have hit the biatch with said back pack.

I have great medical insurance and she knew it - she was after the $300 patient fee for being admitted.
 
2012-04-26 04:59:18 PM

KrispyKritter: Aarontology: cman: My apologies, It constantly slips my mind that emotion does not travel well over the internet. It was satire, nothing else, as I was showing the posters above me that their "America:" statements were overly simplistic and wrong.

What's wrong or simplistic about it?

In many, many places a gay person wouldn't be allowed to visit his or her partner whereas a debt collector would have that right.

not being allowed to visit in hospital may apply to many people who do not claim to be a direct relative. you simply tell them you are the patients brother, uncle, some sort of direct relative. it is no ones business if you are a mans gay sex partner, which would be a slightly unusual thing to say at the reception desk to begin with.


Is that how you describe your wife, " This is my heterosexual sex partner"? Relationships are not based on sex, but on love, commitment and sharing your lives together.

And this article ought to passed on to every righttard who says "We don't need a healthcare bill, when you can get treated at any emergency room for free!"
 
2012-04-26 04:59:28 PM
Debt collectors = scum of the universe.
Yep, I specialize in stating the obvious.
 
2012-04-26 04:59:43 PM

Nabb1: I'm betting this is aimed at people who come into the ER for every damned thing under the sun, like a cold or a hangnail, and not people with legitimate emergencies. I'm not advocating the practice, but I can see where they'd have a problem with repeat deadbeat customers abusing the availability of services.


The people you're condemning as "repeat deadbeat customers" are those who--like myself--lack both basic insurance and a job. If I need emergency treatment, I go to the ER, since I can't go anywhere else. When I get a bill, I can't pay it in a timely fashion, and off it goes to the collector. If I can't pay, I can't pay--and if I need care again, where am I supposed to go? A different hospital? Wait to treat this week's broken leg till last year's pneumonia is paid off?

I'm sorry if you feel that my need for care is "abusing the services" but I'm unable to get health insurance due to that pesky preexisting condition clause. I'll try to be born healthy next go-around.
 
2012-04-26 05:00:39 PM

Nana's Vibrator: What about late night debt collection calls to your house for people you're related to but live 100 miles away? Or people you're not even related to and don't even know? Because that's what I keep getting. Collectons, telemarketers, spammers, spyware programmers, virus programmers. Give me a chainsaw and put me in a room with each and every one of them. I will win.
/did I miss anyone?


Yeah, you missed the debt collection calls for people who share your wife's name. Your wife, who has a very, very common first name, and an even more common last name now that she's married to you.

We have a rule in our house that if the area code does not match ours or three others, the phone does not get answered. I'm looking into buying a call blocker that can be programmed to reject everything but a set of pre-programmed numbers. The local phone company offers a service that will block a whopping 12 numbers, or a service that allows a whopping 12 numbers to go through, and nothing else.

I'd love to drop our landline phone entirely, but I can't because we have to have that to get DSL. And DSL is the only highspeed internet option we have other than satellite. We actually get more telemarketer calls now then we did before the Do Not Call list was activated. Most of the calls are for lowering credit card interest rates and the companies cannot be traced since they will not give out their names and they spoof their numbers.
 
2012-04-26 05:00:50 PM
Wow, that is just pathetic. Remind me again why socialized health care is a bad thing for the US?
 
2012-04-26 05:01:52 PM
I've been to the ER a few times over my life, and hadn't seen this fun until it was at a local catholic hospital here in Ohio to which I had no debts. Before I got to see a nurse or doctor, someone always came in pushing a cart with a credit card reader on it. It was magic how quickly a nurse or doctor came in to treat you immediately after this person had payment details. Those payment carts are probably spreading MRSA better than any orderly with unwashed hands.
 
2012-04-26 05:01:56 PM
www.esquire.com

Even I wasn't allowed to do that! Brilliant!
 
2012-04-26 05:02:11 PM
Maybe I'm out of line here, but if my wife (who is soon to give birth to our daughter) were to go to the ER in labor and someone said "I'll need you to write a check before we can see you.", the first thing I'm going to do is get myself arrested for beating the shiat out of that smarmy a-hole. When someone has a medical emergency, they have a medical emergency. This is absolute horseshiat.
 
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