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2012-04-26 04:26:25 PM  

Klivian: CheatCommando: downtownkid: CheatCommando: Klivian: Big trades like that really hurt a team.

Yeah, that Eli trade devastated the Giants.

Um, are you dense? The Redskins gave up significantly more than the Giants did. The two trades aren't remotely comparable. Screw it, I'm making the call: you are dense.

Hardly "significantly more" when you consider how many of their first round picks are starters. The draft is a crapshoot to begin with and franchise qbs only come up every so often This is risky, but not doomed to inevitable failure. From all indications, the quality of players available after about number 5 in this draft falls off a cliff, so sitting pretty would not have made them better either, unless you suggest that sucking harder next year in the hope that a QB of either Luck or RGIII's skill is available at that draft pick they preserved is available was the correct strategy.

Context is everything. The Skins moved up 4 positions to draft him. Let's assume they didn't move up.

#2 Rams: Spent the #1 overall on Bradford

#3 Vikings: Spent a first on Ponder last year
#4 Browns: McCoy showed real progress last year. Other positions more pressing
#5 Bucs: Freeman regressed, but I would bet they'd pass and give him another year

Not a high risk situation staying at #6 and hoping he falls. You run the risk of someone else pulling the stunt the Skins did, but if I were in the Washington Front Office, I would take that chance.


I would think that Jeff Fisher would be VERY willing to entertain the thought of drafting RG3 due to the Steve McNair era.
 
2012-04-26 04:26:58 PM  
Also: please oh please oh please don't select a WR.
 
2012-04-26 04:27:14 PM  

downtownkid: Klivian: CheatCommando: downtownkid: CheatCommando: Klivian: Big trades like that really hurt a team.

Yeah, that Eli trade devastated the Giants.

Um, are you dense? The Redskins gave up significantly more than the Giants did. The two trades aren't remotely comparable. Screw it, I'm making the call: you are dense.

Hardly "significantly more" when you consider how many of their first round picks are starters. The draft is a crapshoot to begin with and franchise qbs only come up every so often This is risky, but not doomed to inevitable failure. From all indications, the quality of players available after about number 5 in this draft falls off a cliff, so sitting pretty would not have made them better either, unless you suggest that sucking harder next year in the hope that a QB of either Luck or RGIII's skill is available at that draft pick they preserved is available was the correct strategy.

Context is everything. The Skins moved up 4 positions to draft him. Let's assume they didn't move up.

#2 Rams: Spent the #1 overall on Bradford
#3 Vikings: Spent a first on Ponder last year
#4 Browns: McCoy showed real progress last year. Other positions more pressing
#5 Bucs: Freeman regressed, but I would bet they'd pass and give him another year

Not a high risk situation staying at #6 and hoping he falls. You run the risk of someone else pulling the stunt the Skins did, but if I were in the Washington Front Office, I would take that chance.

Skins had to move up or the Browns would have grabbed RG3. I just think the Skins gave up WAY too much for him.


For most teams, yeah, it is way too much to give up. Especially when you're a team that puts importance on proper cap spending. But, the Redskins throw money around to anyone. So if they can't build through the draft, they'll just sign free agents the next few years to try to build up the talent level for RG3.

I wish Griffin the best, but it's Washington.
 
2012-04-26 04:28:07 PM  

FinFangFark: But he shocked the hell out of me. I kept up with him all year, and was surprised on how he threw the ball well, read blitzes well, and didn't necessarily try to tuck and run every time he faced pressure.


Although the team finally started to perform well when they remembered that they have two good RBs and a good running QB, so they probably didn't need him to gun it 40x/game.
 
2012-04-26 04:29:49 PM  

Klivian: CheatCommando: downtownkid: CheatCommando: Klivian: Big trades like that really hurt a team.

Yeah, that Eli trade devastated the Giants.

Um, are you dense? The Redskins gave up significantly more than the Giants did. The two trades aren't remotely comparable. Screw it, I'm making the call: you are dense.


Context is everything. The Skins moved up 4 positions to draft him. Let's assume they didn't move up.

#2 Rams: Spent the #1 overall on Bradford
#3 Vikings: Spent a first on Ponder last year
#4 Browns: McCoy showed real progress last year. Other positions more pressing
#5 Bucs: Freeman regressed, but I would bet they'd pass and give him another year

Not a high risk situation staying at #6 and hoping he falls. You run the risk of someone else pulling the stunt the Skins did, but if I were in the Washington Front Office, I would take that chance.


Cleveland offered a similar package of picks so the Rams would have just traded the pick to the Browns. Even in some upside down universe where no other team moved into the top 3 to take Griffin, he wasn't going to fall past the Browns at #4. There's no chance the Redskins could have drafted Griffin by staying at 6.

It's a QB driven league and the Redskins desperately need a QB. I don't like the Skins but they had to do something. Going with Grossman again is just pushing off the chance of success for another year.
 
2012-04-26 04:30:57 PM  

Klivian: Jim from Saint Paul: If the Vikings end up with Kalil (my choice), Blacmon or Captain Wonderlic, I'm happy.

I *wish* we'd take our 2nd and all our 4th round picks (3 of those) and move up and try to get blackman.

#1 LT and #1 WR in the draft? Yessir.

NFL.com says Vikes are leaning to Sgt Wonderlic (demoted because he couldn't pass the OCS tests)


I think that's to try and trick Tampa, who reportedly wants him, to switch places.

downtownkid: Jim from Saint Paul: If the Vikings end up with Kalil (my choice), Blacmon or Captain Wonderlic, I'm happy.

I *wish* we'd take our 2nd and all our 4th round picks (3 of those) and move up and try to get blackman.

#1 LT and #1 WR in the draft? Yessir.

I don't think a second rounder and three fourth rounders gets you even close to one of the top six picks in the draft.


They can have a 3rd too? :P
 
2012-04-26 04:31:30 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: If the Vikings end up with Kalil (my choice), Blacmon or Captain Wonderlic, I'm happy.

I *wish* we'd take our 2nd and all our 4th round picks (3 of those) and move up and try to get blackman.

#1 LT and #1 WR in the draft? Yessir.


You cant trade compensatory picks. Good thought though
 
2012-04-26 04:32:31 PM  
Draft day? Draft day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZxNeFLuY98
 
2012-04-26 04:33:04 PM  
got a feeling the Packers may trade up to secure the OLB they're wanting to get...or they're looking at someone they figure on being available at 28...Ted seems to know what he's doing...

Here's Ted's drafts since coming to the Pack: (highlighted are guys that have contributed "a lot" IMHO)

BREAKDOWN BY POSITION

Quarterbacks (4): Aaron Rodgers (2005-1), Ingle Martin (2006-5a), Brian Brohm (2008-2b), Matt Flynn (2008-7a).

Running backs (4): Brandon Jackson (2007-2), DeShawn Wynn (2007-7a), James Starks (2010-6), Alex Green (2011-3).

Fullbacks (2): Korey Hall (2007-6a), Quinn Johnson (2009-5a).

Tight ends (5): Clark Harris (2007-7), Jermichael Finley (2008-3), Andrew Quarless (2010-5a), D.J. Williams (2011-5), Ryan Taylor (2011-7a).

Wide receivers (9): Terrence Murphy (2005-2b), Craig Bragg (2005-6b), Greg Jennings (2006-2b), Cory Rodgers (2006-4a), James Jones (2007-3a), David Clowney (2007-5), Jordy Nelson (2008-2a), Brett Swain (2008-7b), Randall Cobb (2011-2).

Tackles (7): Tony Moll (2006-5b), Breno Giacomini (2008-5), T.J. Lang (2009-4), Jamon Meredith (2009-5b), Bryan Bulaga (2010-1), Marshall Newhouse (2010-5b), Derek Sherrod (2011-1).

Guards (6): William Whitticker (2005-7b), Daryn Colledge (2006-2a), Jason Spitz (2006-3b), Allen Barbre (2007-4), Josh Sitton (2008-4b), Caleb Schlauderaff (2011-6a).

Center (1): Junius Coston (2005-5a).

Defensive ends (7): Michael Montgomery (2005-6a), Dave Tollefson (2006-7), Jeremy Thompson (2008-4a), Jarius Wynn (2009-6a), Mike Neal (2010-2), C.J. Wilson (2010-7), Lawrence Guy (2011-7b).

Defensive tackles (3): Johnny Jolly (2006-6a), Justin Harrell (2007-1), B.J. Raji (2009-1a).

Linebackers (9): Brady Poppinga (2005-4b), Kurt Campbell (2005-7a), A.J. Hawk (2006-1), Abdul Hodge (2006-3a), Desmond Bishop (2007-6b), Clay Matthews (2009-1b), Brad Jones (2009-7), D.J. Smith (2011-6b), Ricky Elmore (2011-6c).

Cornerbacks (5): Mike Hawkins (2005-5b), Will Blackmon (2006-4b), Pat Lee (2008-2c), Brandon Underwood (2009-6b), Davon House (2011-4).

Safeties (5): Nick Collins (2005-2a), Marviel Underwood (2005-4a), Tyrone Culver (2006-6b), Aaron Rouse (2007-3b), Morgan Burnett (2010-3).

Kicker (1): Mason Crosby (2007-6c).

there are a few guys on there that have a lot of potential as well...he's pretty good at drafting if you ask me.
 
2012-04-26 04:33:30 PM  

justtray: Jim from Saint Paul: If the Vikings end up with Kalil (my choice), Blacmon or Captain Wonderlic, I'm happy.

I *wish* we'd take our 2nd and all our 4th round picks (3 of those) and move up and try to get blackman.

#1 LT and #1 WR in the draft? Yessir.

You cant trade compensatory picks. Good thought though


...

Facts suck.
 
2012-04-26 04:34:52 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: got a feeling the Packers may trade up to secure the OLB they're wanting to get...or they're looking at someone they figure on being available at 28...Ted seems to know what he's doing...

Here's Ted's drafts since coming to the Pack: (highlighted are guys that have contributed "a lot" IMHO)

BREAKDOWN BY POSITION

Quarterbacks (4): Aaron Rodgers (2005-1), Ingle Martin (2006-5a), Brian Brohm (2008-2b), Matt Flynn (2008-7a).

Running backs (4): Brandon Jackson (2007-2), DeShawn Wynn (2007-7a), James Starks (2010-6), Alex Green (2011-3).

Fullbacks (2): Korey Hall (2007-6a), Quinn Johnson (2009-5a).

Tight ends (5): Clark Harris (2007-7), Jermichael Finley (2008-3), Andrew Quarless (2010-5a), D.J. Williams (2011-5), Ryan Taylor (2011-7a).

Wide receivers (9): Terrence Murphy (2005-2b), Craig Bragg (2005-6b), Greg Jennings (2006-2b), Cory Rodgers (2006-4a), James Jones (2007-3a), David Clowney (2007-5), Jordy Nelson (2008-2a), Brett Swain (2008-7b), Randall Cobb (2011-2).

Tackles (7): Tony Moll (2006-5b), Breno Giacomini (2008-5), T.J. Lang (2009-4), Jamon Meredith (2009-5b), Bryan Bulaga (2010-1), Marshall Newhouse (2010-5b), Derek Sherrod (2011-1).

Guards (6): William Whitticker (2005-7b), Daryn Colledge (2006-2a), Jason Spitz (2006-3b), Allen Barbre (2007-4), Josh Sitton (2008-4b), Caleb Schlauderaff (2011-6a).

Center (1): Junius Coston (2005-5a).

Defensive ends (7): Michael Montgomery (2005-6a), Dave Tollefson (2006-7), Jeremy Thompson (2008-4a), Jarius Wynn (2009-6a), Mike Neal (2010-2), C.J. Wilson (2010-7), Lawrence Guy (2011-7b).

Defensive tackles (3): Johnny Jolly (2006-6a), Justin Harrell (2007-1), B.J. Raji (2009-1a).

Linebackers (9): Brady Poppinga (2005-4b), Kurt Campbell (2005-7a), A.J. Hawk (2006-1), Abdul Hodge (2006-3a), Desmond Bishop (2007-6b), Clay Matthews (2009-1b), Brad Jones (2009-7), D.J. Smith (2011-6b), Ricky Elmore (2011-6c).

Cornerbacks (5): Mike Hawkins (2005-5b), Will Blackmon (2006-4b), Pat Lee (2008-2c), Brandon Underwood (2009- ...


Rumor is they are looking to trade up to get Shea McLellin out of Boise State. He's a 3-4 linebacker with a high motor. I think the Texans are looking to take him at 26, so Packers might try to vault them.
 
mjg
2012-04-26 04:35:18 PM  
The Vikings should trade #3 to Tampa Bay. It's the best option for the Vikes at all levels.

/Vikes would still get Kalil or Claiborne
 
2012-04-26 04:35:24 PM  
Based on the bludgeoning I've received, apparently the Browns wanted him. I was not aware of that.

I still think that it was a prohibitively high price to pay for one player. Poor guy is going to have monster expectations from minute one, and less help than usual from less picks.
 
2012-04-26 04:36:18 PM  

basemetal: As a Raiders fan, I can pretty much not worry about the draft today.......

/It's hard to be a Raiders fan
//Just win, Baby!


Look at it this way, we won't be blowing a ton of money on a high first round pick that sucks or is injured half the time.
 
2012-04-26 04:37:04 PM  
My only requirement is that whomever the Steelers select weigh more than 300 pounds. I don't care which side of the ball, but we need more fat guys.
 
2012-04-26 04:38:19 PM  

CheatCommando: How many of the Patriots' first rounders are currently starters on the team? I'm intentionally picking a team that is not a basket case, management or scouting wise. The outcome of first round draft picks is actually worse than chance. Not the draft overall, but those high picks. I overstated a bit.


2002: Daniel Graham TE (did okay)
2003: Ty Warren DT (1xpro bowl)
2004: Vince WIlfork DT (4x pro bowl);
Benjamin Watson TE (not great, but still in the league & led Browns in receiving 2010)
2005: Logan Mankins G (4x pro bowl)
2006: Laurence Maroney RB (stayed in the league til 2011 but overall something of a whiff)
2007: Brandon Meriweather S (2x pro bowl)
2008: Jared Mayo LB (1x pro bowl)
2010: Devin McCourty CB (1x pro bowl)
2011: Nate Solder OT (13 starts as a rookie, all-rookie team selection by Sporting News & Pro Football Weekly)

They didn't have a first rounder in 2009. So overall, yeah, I think they've done pretty well for a crap shoot. ;)
 
2012-04-26 04:39:21 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: got a feeling the Packers may trade up to secure the OLB they're wanting to get...or they're looking at someone they figure on being available at 28...Ted seems to know what he's doing...

Here's Ted's drafts since coming to the Pack: (highlighted are guys that have contributed "a lot" IMHO)

BREAKDOWN BY POSITION

...


So 26/68 is good at drafting? Adds to my belief that it is mostly luck.
 
2012-04-26 04:40:27 PM  
Top 10 picks:

1) Luck
2) RG3
3) Capt Wonderlic (barring a trade)
4) Richardson
5) Kalil
6) Blackmon
7) Cox
8) Tannehill
9) Poe
10) Floyd
 
2012-04-26 04:42:24 PM  

bahamasorbust: So 26/68 is good at drafting? Adds to my belief that it is mostly luck.


Well, he did expand it all the way to the 7th round, where there's more chaff than wheat.

And he didn't even give bold for a couple of O-Line guys that have had a decent amount of playing time due to injury, like Newhouse (tough to measure an individual O-Lineman's value, though).
 
2012-04-26 04:43:05 PM  

bahamasorbust: ihatedumbpeople: got a feeling the Packers may trade up to secure the OLB they're wanting to get...or they're looking at someone they figure on being available at 28...Ted seems to know what he's doing...

Here's Ted's drafts since coming to the Pack: (highlighted are guys that have contributed "a lot" IMHO)

BREAKDOWN BY POSITION

...

So 26/68 is good at drafting? Adds to my belief that it is mostly luck.


When you figure that there are maybe 50 or so regular starters sitting in a pool of 500 or so candidates, going 1 for 3 is pretty good and much better than random.
 
2012-04-26 04:44:04 PM  
All the NFL draft coverage ruined my day off.

3 minutes of Caps highlights, and 20 seconds of the O's impressive win and the rest was farking draft coverage.
 
2012-04-26 04:44:42 PM  

Lost Thought 00: My only requirement is that whomever the Steelers select weigh more than 300 pounds. I don't care which side of the ball, but we need more fat guys.


Concur. It will help if he's good too.

In other news I loathe draft terminology. I absolutely refuse to say 'motor' regarding a human being unless it has something do do with motorboating. Why do they make up these stupid words for things we already have words for?
 
2012-04-26 04:45:35 PM  
i want to see some trades today. Mix it up! Live up to the hype.
 
2012-04-26 04:46:32 PM  

CheatCommando:
How many of the Patriots' first rounders are currently starters on the team? I'm intentionally picking a team that is not a basket case, management or scouting wise. The outcome of first round draft picks is actually worse than chance. Not the draft overall, but those high picks. I overstated a bit.


Top picks not working out to me is like Madden Curse math; The likelihood of making it through a season uninjured is a little less than 50% on aggregate, and given the stupid salaries those first 10 unproven picks are given then yes they are likely to fail expectations by your logic. However I've seen a lot of solid contributors come out of the first round in the last few years and I think scouts are getting better at their jobs. Those picks might not pay off the first year, but fans want satisfaction and they want it now.
 
2012-04-26 04:46:51 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Lost Thought 00: My only requirement is that whomever the Steelers select weigh more than 300 pounds. I don't care which side of the ball, but we need more fat guys.

Concur. It will help if he's good too.

In other news I loathe draft terminology. I absolutely refuse to say 'motor' regarding a human being unless it has something do do with motorboating. Why do they make up these stupid words for things we already have words for?


Because they don't want the race card dropped on them when they use the terms

"He's fast for a white guy"

"He's a very good pocket passer for a black quarterback"
 
2012-04-26 04:47:22 PM  
To anyone calling for "quick" pick 1 and 2: You know they have a farkton of advertising to cram into the broadcast tonight, right?
 
2012-04-26 04:48:32 PM  

GoodyearPimp: To anyone calling for "quick" pick 1 and 2: You know they have a farkton of advertising to cram into the broadcast tonight, right?


Don't forget they need to have Mel Kiper's hair break down both guys while showing a video package with that stupid music bed.
 
2012-04-26 04:48:54 PM  

thecpt: Those picks might not pay off the first year, but fans want satisfaction and they want it now.


Yep, just ask the former Texans GM who was fired for selecting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush
 
2012-04-26 04:51:27 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Yep, just ask the former Texans GM who was fired for selecting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush


I mean, I know how we like to say it was a great move in retrospect, but realistically the Texans didn't really get sh*t by getting Mario Williams.
 
2012-04-26 04:51:30 PM  
I half wish Green Bay would trade up and get Barron. Otherwise, they need safety, dline, and another beast OLB
 
2012-04-26 04:53:11 PM  
What's so toxic about Tannehill? He's not a top 10 pick but he isnt bad by any stretch of the imagination.

And its not like he didn't play qb till 2 seasons ago: Despite what is being reported, he was a QB turned WR turned QB. He actually has just as much playing time as any other QB in the draft
 
2012-04-26 04:53:40 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: ....

First and 3rd pick and you got a deal.


No first pick, gave that to the Pats last year for Ingram.

/and shaddupshaddupshaddup, lol
 
2012-04-26 04:55:30 PM  

ATRDCI: What's so toxic about Tannehill? He's not a top 10 pick but he isnt bad by any stretch of the imagination.


The problem is someone will take him in the top 10, and pay him top 10 money, and expect him to start from day 1
 
2012-04-26 04:56:25 PM  
America: Come for the Abortion. Stay for the Tranvaginal Probe.
 
2012-04-26 04:58:02 PM  

Lost Thought 00: ATRDCI: What's so toxic about Tannehill? He's not a top 10 pick but he isnt bad by any stretch of the imagination.

The problem is someone will take him in the top 10, and pay him top 10 money, and expect him to start from day 1


And most of the hype surrounding him comes from the desire to push QBs and the fact that we've known for a while where Luck and RGIII are going. I mean, you could actually see the media shift from almost completely ignoring Tannehill before the Redskins traded up to "Where will Tannehill go?!" afterwards.
 
2012-04-26 04:59:52 PM  
I'm off to pre game then hit the draft. If the Browns draft Tanehill will someone please grab a screen cap of me rushing the podium?
 
2012-04-26 05:00:05 PM  

Lost Thought 00: thecpt: Those picks might not pay off the first year, but fans want satisfaction and they want it now.

Yep, just ask the former Texans GM who was fired for selecting Mario Williams over Reggie Bush


To be fair, the anger wasn't that it was Mario over Reggie, its that the pick was Mario over Vince Young and every Longhorn in the city cried into their pillows that the "next all time great QB" was going to Tennesse instead of his hometown.

Yeah, crappy defense around him plus playing through injuries alot of the time limited his effectiveness, but it was the right move to make

/Would have been freakin awesome to see him in a full season with Wade's system but there just wasnt cap space
 
2012-04-26 05:01:27 PM  

Devo: America: Come for the Abortion. Stay for the Tranvaginal Probe.


Wrong Thread. but make as much sense as anything else i have posted .
 
2012-04-26 05:01:31 PM  

downtownkid: I'm off to pre game then hit the draft. If the Browns draft Tanehill will someone please grab a screen cap of me rushing the podium?


How will I know which one is you? There may be a couple
 
2012-04-26 05:02:05 PM  
I have to run to class now but I want to know if NFL.com or anywhere else will have the taped first round. Redskins fans, so I won't need more than the first 15ish minutes.
 
2012-04-26 05:02:36 PM  

Devo: Devo: America: Come for the Abortion. Stay for the Tranvaginal Probe.

Wrong Thread. but make as much sense as anything else i have posted .


I was going to say: wrong thread, or Cleveland Browns fan?
 
2012-04-26 05:03:46 PM  
The Vikings are on the clock, but seriously everyone knows this.

/wasting time 'til I can leave work
 
2012-04-26 05:04:57 PM  
DT Shaun Rogers signed by the Giants, by the by.
 
mjg
2012-04-26 05:09:36 PM  
If you have 10 minutes to burn this ESPN Vikings draft scenario is pretty interesting.
 
2012-04-26 05:12:02 PM  
Hope Konz goes to the Packers. I know we have more needs on defense, but I was teammates with him in high school, and if he goes to the Packers, his jersey will sell like hot cakes here.
 
2012-04-26 05:14:26 PM  

mjg: If you have 10 minutes to burn this ESPN Vikings draft scenario is pretty interesting.


No one's going to trade them unless the Vikings give up the drawers. They're just mad to be spending the 3rd pick on a guy barely worth the top-10.
 
2012-04-26 05:15:57 PM  
I'm going to giggle myself stupid if Miami takes Tannehill - and at least 50% of my mirth will be PURE RELIEF that the Browns didnt do something monumentally stupid like taking him at 4.
 
2012-04-26 05:16:59 PM  

Fizpez: I'm going to giggle myself stupid if when Miami takes Tannehill - and at least 50% of my mirth will be PURE RELIEF that the Browns didnt do something monumentally stupid like taking him at 4.

 
2012-04-26 05:17:44 PM  

twobux: ManateeGag: the Giants are going last. who the hell knows what will be left.


If Fleener's there, that's the pick.

They'll be higher after they trade Osi.

Heh, I've been hearing rumors about the Jets trading up to pick Richardson. Would love it if the Giants one-upped *them* to get a need.
 
2012-04-26 05:20:50 PM  

eddievercetti: Please Philly, don't fark this up!

Please Philly, don't fark this up!

Please Philly, don't fark this up!


I know the Philly fans in attendance will! XD

Seriously, the Eagles could draft the second coming of Reggie White and your brethren will boo him...just because.
 
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