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2012-04-26 03:37:33 PM
Why Would I Read the Article: My bold prediction for this year's draft is that the Jacksonville Jaguars will do something silly with their pick.

They're going to draft Cox.
 
2012-04-26 03:38:01 PM
YouWinAgainGravity: I hope the Redskins troll the f*ck out of everyone and themselves and either forget to hand their draft card in or take some completely random player in the first round.

Back before the rookie salary cap, there were some economists who found that you're generally better off passing on your draft pick in the first half dozen or so picks because of the cost versus success rate.
 
2012-04-26 03:38:32 PM
FinFangFark: watching the NFL network at the office before I head out. Geez Jay Glazer, for someone who claims to work out a lot, why are you getting so fat?

It doesn't take a lot of weight to make you look fat when you are three feet tall.
 
2012-04-26 03:38:37 PM
Lost Thought 00: Who is going to destroy their franchise by taking Tannehill?

Lost Thought 00: Who is going to destroy their franchise by taking Tannehill?

Miami
 
2012-04-26 03:39:06 PM
Please Philly, don't fark this up!

Please Philly, don't fark this up!

Please Philly, don't fark this up!
 
2012-04-26 03:40:45 PM
As a 'skins fan, not much point watching the draft. We already know who they're taking.
 
2012-04-26 03:41:50 PM
downtownkid: lerxst2112: As a Dolphins fan, I feel we should trade spots with Buffalo and draft Mark Barron. We need safety help real bad, and the QB pool isn't as poor as it has been in recent years.

Dolphins drafting Ted Ginn was one of the funniest things I ever saw, and I'm a Browns fan.


That's why Cam Cameron is banished from the Miami-Ft. Lauderdale area forever.

I just hope we don't draft Tannehill. I feel we could either draft Barron or a RT in the first round. Draft a WR in the second, and if he's still around get Kellen Moore in the third.
 
2012-04-26 03:41:55 PM
The New York Jets official ("a highly placed source") is on Reddit asking for opinions. That amuses me greatly.
 
2012-04-26 03:44:17 PM
netweavr: The New York Jets official ("a highly placed source") is on Reddit asking for opinions. That amuses me greatly.

Give him the contents of Schefter's joke tweet, be amused but unsurprised when NFL Network reports that they actually called the Browns.
 
2012-04-26 03:45:08 PM
downtownkid: FinFangFark: watching the NFL network at the office before I head out. Geez Jay Glazer, for someone who claims to work out a lot, why are you getting so fat?

It doesn't take a lot of weight to make you look fat when you are three feet tall.


A couple years ago, Brian Cushing spent the summer working with Glazer at his MMA facility. He praised Cushing for how hard he works (cue up steroid jokes now as expected) but that he was always able to take down Cushing.

At a local media event here, Cush was being grilled about it, when someone in the media shouted out "Yeah, well you'd keep hitting the mat if you had a midget kicking you in the shins every day". The players liked that.
 
2012-04-26 03:45:35 PM
I hope somebody trades up and gets Richardson. Hopefully someone from the NFC South. Hopefully the Panthers, Falcons, or Saints.
 
2012-04-26 03:45:40 PM
I really hope the Colts and Redskins announce their picks immediately. Not trying to wait around 10-15min each of the first 2 picks. We've known for a while now who the first 2 picks are going to be.
 
2012-04-26 03:47:31 PM
Rebelution: I really hope the Colts and Redskins announce their picks immediately. Not trying to wait around 10-15min each of the first 2 picks. We've known for a while now who the first 2 picks are going to be.


But, the networks have commercials to air, and allow their talking heads blabber.

They'll hold for at least a minute or two.
 
2012-04-26 03:49:06 PM
Jubeebee: Oh, I'm well aware that the gems Angelo did find were not exactly superstars. But the whole reason Bears fans were OK with the Cutler trade was because we knew that Angelo would throw away the first round picks anyway. But he could turn picks in rounds 3-5 into halfway decent starters (Knox, D.Manning, Melton, etc)

In 10 years of Angelo drafts, in the first two rounds they got two really good players, one legendary returner, one guy who was great until he got hurt, and the jury's still out on the 2011 picks. The rest range from marginal contributors like Greg Olsen or Chris Williams, to a guy like Rex Grossman, to the legendary Dan Bazuin, which was the Bears' worst use of a 2nd rounder in years, and considering they used a 2nd rounder to trade for Gaines Adams, who sadly died of a heart problem in the following offseason, that's saying something.

The best player from the Angelo drafts was 3rd rounder Lance Briggs.
 
2012-04-26 03:49:58 PM
The Third Man

The NFL Draft is only fun to watch in retrospect. Exhibit A: Mel Kiper Jr. predicts a John Elway-like career for JaMarcus. And just listen to the Raiders fans cheer for him!

Those were the dark days. FWIW, I feel like the franchise is finally moving in the right direction. We actually have a structured front office now the coaching position won't be a revolving door.
 
2012-04-26 03:51:27 PM
Rebelution: I really hope the Colts and Redskins announce their picks immediately. Not trying to wait around 10-15min each of the first 2 picks. We've known for a while now who the first 2 picks are going to be.

Again, five minute windows in first round.
 
2012-04-26 03:52:29 PM
Rebelution: The Third Man

The NFL Draft is only fun to watch in retrospect. Exhibit A: Mel Kiper Jr. predicts a John Elway-like career for JaMarcus. And just listen to the Raiders fans cheer for him!

Those were the dark days. FWIW, I feel like the franchise is finally moving in the right direction. We actually have a structured front office now the coaching position won't be a revolving door.


That'll help the next time you have a draft pick you haven't traded away, which I believe is in 2027.
 
2012-04-26 03:53:25 PM
eddievercetti: Please Philly, don't fark this up!

Please Philly, don't fark this up!

Please Philly, don't fark this up!


What is there to fark up? Everyone else is joking about who is going to screw up on Tannehill, but it will be us. The correct pick would be Kirkpatrick, but it won't happen.
 
2012-04-26 03:53:28 PM
Sargun: Brees to Vikings for their first two picks, we pick Tannehill.

That's how this is going to go out, because this has been the worst offseason ever.


....

First and 3rd pick and you got a deal.
 
2012-04-26 03:53:29 PM
My only concern for next season is hoping the Redskins still suck.

/Loves RG3 but I think a lot of people might be drinking the Kool-Aid
 
2012-04-26 03:55:51 PM
INeedAName: With the second pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Redskins select...

A new owner? Pretty please?
 
2012-04-26 03:56:38 PM
The Third Man: The NFL Draft is only fun to watch in retrospect. Exhibit A: Mel Kiper Jr. predicts a John Elway-like career for JaMarcus.

Well, they are both out of the league.
 
2012-04-26 03:56:39 PM
Klivian: What is there to fark up?

Andy Reid could be in charge of managing the draft clock, so all the picks go in late?
 
2012-04-26 03:58:29 PM
LegacyDL: My only concern for next season is hoping the Redskins still suck.

/Loves RG3 but I think a lot of people might be drinking the Kool-Aid


I think it will be nigh impossible for RG3 to justify how much the Skins gave up for him. Big trades like that really hurt a team. You get what you think will be an elite talent, but you lose out on other positions.

Only way for him to have been worth it is if he wins at least 1 ring, with a lot of All-Pro level seasons.
 
2012-04-26 03:59:29 PM
LegacyDL: My only concern for next season is hoping the Redskins still suck.

/Loves RG3 but I think a lot of people might be drinking the Kool-Aid


As long as Snyder is the owner, my beloved Redskins will still suck.
 
2012-04-26 03:59:54 PM
CheatCommando: Klivian: What is there to fark up?

Andy Reid could be in charge of managing the draft clock, so all the picks go in late?


Well, yea. I meant in terms of the team. We traded away Asante for a bag of beans so we would have money for Shady, no LT thanks to Peters being out, no LBs to speak of.

I could go on...

/Oh yea and a felon at QB
 
2012-04-26 03:59:55 PM
Klivian: Big trades like that really hurt a team.

Yeah, that Eli trade devastated the Giants.
 
2012-04-26 04:01:21 PM
The Broncos should select a wide receiver in the first round. (Wright? Randle?)

Why? Arena football is fun - it will the football equivalent of Coors Field in the mid-90s.
 
2012-04-26 04:03:18 PM
CheatCommando: Klivian: Big trades like that really hurt a team.

Yeah, that Eli trade devastated the Giants.


Um, are you dense? The Redskins gave up significantly more than the Giants did. The two trades aren't remotely comparable. Screw it, I'm making the call: you are dense.
 
2012-04-26 04:06:53 PM
I still can't believe that Stephen Hill might go in the first round. Unbelievable.
 
2012-04-26 04:10:16 PM
29 years ago the Dolphins the Dolphin picked one of the best QBs in NFL history. They haven't found another NFL QB since.

Why should tonight be any different?

/Dolphins fan
//I miss Marino
///Go Devils and Sens!
 
2012-04-26 04:13:30 PM
Doogled: I still can't believe that Stephen Hill might go in the first round. Unbelievable.

You can't go to the NFL as a Receiver in PJ's offense.
 
2012-04-26 04:13:34 PM
downtownkid: CheatCommando: Klivian: Big trades like that really hurt a team.

Yeah, that Eli trade devastated the Giants.

Um, are you dense? The Redskins gave up significantly more than the Giants did. The two trades aren't remotely comparable. Screw it, I'm making the call: you are dense.


Hardly "significantly more" when you consider how many of their first round picks are starters. The draft is a crapshoot to begin with and franchise qbs only come up every so often This is risky, but not doomed to inevitable failure. From all indications, the quality of players available after about number 5 in this draft falls off a cliff, so sitting pretty would not have made them better either, unless you suggest that sucking harder next year in the hope that a QB of either Luck or RGIII's skill is available at that draft pick they preserved is available was the correct strategy.
 
2012-04-26 04:13:35 PM
netweavr: Jets trade Sanchez

Weird, he announced the Asante Samuel trade about a week ago. But in his version the eagles got back a 4th as well.
 
2012-04-26 04:14:09 PM
The hockey and draft threads should be combined into 1, just for the lulz
 
2012-04-26 04:17:32 PM
Fark, my Google-fu is failing me hard, but a few months ago one of the 2012 scouting reports for Pro Football Weekly had on the first line of Ryan Tannehill's "weaknesses" (as verbatim as I remember it) "he's simply not good enough at football".

Nothing specifically about his QB play, or anything remotely positional. Just "not good enough at football". I'm only sharing that because it's not often I drop dead in laughter reading stupid scouting reports, but that is an awesomely generic slam.
 
2012-04-26 04:18:07 PM
YouWinAgainGravity: I hope the Redskins troll the f*ck out of everyone and themselves and either forget to hand their draft card in or take some completely random player in the first round.

Me too.

But I think that they should be given a first-rounder back for next year either a) so they can do it again, or b) because c'mon, man, that's kinda unfair to enjoy their failure that much without them getting something back in compensation.
 
2012-04-26 04:18:29 PM
If the Vikings end up with Kalil (my choice), Blacmon or Captain Wonderlic, I'm happy.

I *wish* we'd take our 2nd and all our 4th round picks (3 of those) and move up and try to get blackman.

#1 LT and #1 WR in the draft? Yessir.
 
2012-04-26 04:19:05 PM
CheatCommando: The draft is a crapshoot to begin with and franchise qbs only come up every so often This is risky, but not doomed to inevitable failure. From all indications, the quality of players available after about number 5 in this draft falls off a cliff, so sitting pretty would not have made them better either, unless you suggest that sucking harder next year in the hope that a QB of either Luck or RGIII's skill is available at that draft pick they preserved is available was the correct strategy.

It is not a crap shoot, what the hell are you talking about. Examples can be given for either side of the argument (lions last four picks for how it can help, Browns last dozens picks for how it is a crap shoot) but these are professional scouts who evaluate the hell out of these players to wade through the crap. Certain organization excel at this, and its evident who isn't good at it.

/Cam Newton surprised the hell out of me
 
2012-04-26 04:19:23 PM
CheatCommando: downtownkid: CheatCommando: Klivian: Big trades like that really hurt a team.

Yeah, that Eli trade devastated the Giants.

Um, are you dense? The Redskins gave up significantly more than the Giants did. The two trades aren't remotely comparable. Screw it, I'm making the call: you are dense.

Hardly "significantly more" when you consider how many of their first round picks are starters. The draft is a crapshoot to begin with and franchise qbs only come up every so often This is risky, but not doomed to inevitable failure. From all indications, the quality of players available after about number 5 in this draft falls off a cliff, so sitting pretty would not have made them better either, unless you suggest that sucking harder next year in the hope that a QB of either Luck or RGIII's skill is available at that draft pick they preserved is available was the correct strategy.


Context is everything. The Skins moved up 4 positions to draft him. Let's assume they didn't move up.

#2 Rams: Spent the #1 overall on Bradford
#3 Vikings: Spent a first on Ponder last year
#4 Browns: McCoy showed real progress last year. Other positions more pressing
#5 Bucs: Freeman regressed, but I would bet they'd pass and give him another year

Not a high risk situation staying at #6 and hoping he falls. You run the risk of someone else pulling the stunt the Skins did, but if I were in the Washington Front Office, I would take that chance.
 
2012-04-26 04:20:40 PM
Jim from Saint Paul: If the Vikings end up with Kalil (my choice), Blacmon or Captain Wonderlic, I'm happy.

I *wish* we'd take our 2nd and all our 4th round picks (3 of those) and move up and try to get blackman.

#1 LT and #1 WR in the draft? Yessir.


I don't think a second rounder and three fourth rounders gets you even close to one of the top six picks in the draft.
 
2012-04-26 04:22:05 PM
Jim from Saint Paul: If the Vikings end up with Kalil (my choice), Blacmon or Captain Wonderlic, I'm happy.

I *wish* we'd take our 2nd and all our 4th round picks (3 of those) and move up and try to get blackman.

#1 LT and #1 WR in the draft? Yessir.


Could just offer our first next year. It'll be high.
 
2012-04-26 04:22:06 PM
Jim from Saint Paul: If the Vikings end up with Kalil (my choice), Blacmon or Captain Wonderlic, I'm happy.

I *wish* we'd take our 2nd and all our 4th round picks (3 of those) and move up and try to get blackman.

#1 LT and #1 WR in the draft? Yessir.


NFL.com says Vikes are leaning to Sgt Wonderlic (demoted because he couldn't pass the OCS tests)
 
2012-04-26 04:22:38 PM
Master P but not that one: Doogled: I still can't believe that Stephen Hill might go in the first round. Unbelievable.

You can't go to the NFL as a Receiver in PJ's offense.


If Stephen Hill goes in the first round, does that mean he'll automatically become a product of Central Florida's football program?

Sarcasm aside, Hill had gawd awful hands which is what makes this so surprising. Roddy White thinks Hill's hands are terrible.
 
2012-04-26 04:23:05 PM
Klivian: CheatCommando: downtownkid: CheatCommando: Klivian: Big trades like that really hurt a team.

Yeah, that Eli trade devastated the Giants.

Um, are you dense? The Redskins gave up significantly more than the Giants did. The two trades aren't remotely comparable. Screw it, I'm making the call: you are dense.

Hardly "significantly more" when you consider how many of their first round picks are starters. The draft is a crapshoot to begin with and franchise qbs only come up every so often This is risky, but not doomed to inevitable failure. From all indications, the quality of players available after about number 5 in this draft falls off a cliff, so sitting pretty would not have made them better either, unless you suggest that sucking harder next year in the hope that a QB of either Luck or RGIII's skill is available at that draft pick they preserved is available was the correct strategy.

Context is everything. The Skins moved up 4 positions to draft him. Let's assume they didn't move up.

#2 Rams: Spent the #1 overall on Bradford
#3 Vikings: Spent a first on Ponder last year
#4 Browns: McCoy showed real progress last year. Other positions more pressing
#5 Bucs: Freeman regressed, but I would bet they'd pass and give him another year

Not a high risk situation staying at #6 and hoping he falls. You run the risk of someone else pulling the stunt the Skins did, but if I were in the Washington Front Office, I would take that chance.


Skins had to move up or the Browns would have grabbed RG3. I just think the Skins gave up WAY too much for him.
 
2012-04-26 04:23:10 PM
justtray: skinnycatullus: I'm watching tonight for one reason. Someone I know is about to become the only multimillionaire I know. Couldn't happen to a nicer kid. It's surreal, though.

Awesome. You actually narrowed it down significantly. So much that you might as well say it. Deduction is a powerful tool. =)


Oh I wasn't trying to hide his identity. It's Trent Richardson, obviously, if you look at my profile. My wife was his HS economics teacher. Hopefully he learned a few things in there, because he's about to be one rich farker.
 
2012-04-26 04:24:13 PM
thecpt: /Cam Newton surprised the hell out of me

This. I called him a bust. He only had one year of high level success, had past legal troubles, and was in a simplified offense with basic reads.

But he shocked the hell out of me. I kept up with him all year, and was surprised on how he threw the ball well, read blitzes well, and didn't necessarily try to tuck and run every time he faced pressure.
 
2012-04-26 04:25:38 PM
thecpt: CheatCommando: The draft is a crapshoot to begin with and franchise qbs only come up every so often This is risky, but not doomed to inevitable failure. From all indications, the quality of players available after about number 5 in this draft falls off a cliff, so sitting pretty would not have made them better either, unless you suggest that sucking harder next year in the hope that a QB of either Luck or RGIII's skill is available at that draft pick they preserved is available was the correct strategy.

It is not a crap shoot, what the hell are you talking about. Examples can be given for either side of the argument (lions last four picks for how it can help, Browns last dozens picks for how it is a crap shoot) but these are professional scouts who evaluate the hell out of these players to wade through the crap. Certain organization excel at this, and its evident who isn't good at it.

/Cam Newton surprised the hell out of me


How many of the Patriots' first rounders are currently starters on the team? I'm intentionally picking a team that is not a basket case, management or scouting wise. The outcome of first round draft picks is actually worse than chance. Not the draft overall, but those high picks. I overstated a bit.
 
2012-04-26 04:25:52 PM
Our Kurt, who art now retired,
hallowed be thy name;
thy quarterback come;
thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily touchdowns;
and forgive us our penalties
as we forgive those who commit them against us;
and lead us not into agony,
but deliver us from defeat.
For Thine is the quarterback, and the power, and the glory,
of the Kurt, and of the Pigskin, and of the Holy Fitz,
now and ever and unto the ages of ages.
Amen.
 
2012-04-26 04:26:08 PM
Klivian: #4 Browns: McCoy showed real progress last year. Other positions more pressing

Cleveland tried to trade up to #2 expressly to take RGIII.
 
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