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(Some Guy)   Two men on their way to work arrested for having an arsenal of weapons and cash in their car. Their job? Tutors at a middle school   (northescambia.com) divider line 95
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2012-04-26 12:17:38 PM
Middle schoolers these days won't respect you if you don't outgun them.
 
2012-04-26 12:34:41 PM
One of the men was dressed in a t-shirt with a tutoring company's logo on the front and the words "Free Tutoring" on the back. They produced business cards and other items from a tutoring company in New Jersey.

Pfft. Freelancing is much more lucrative, since you can charge whatever you want and don't have to split the take.

Officers also located a paper bag containing $8,400 in $100 bills inside the vehicle.

Then again...clearly they're charging a helluva lot more than I am.
 
2012-04-26 01:07:33 PM
Officers spent about two hours searching the vehicle, questioning the men as they stood handcuffed by a police car and running various computer records checks on the vehicle, the firearms and the men. All of the weapons were legally possessed, according to officers

You just know the cops stole their money.
 
2012-04-26 01:08:30 PM
GEEZE...I carry more than that every time I go anywhere near Atlanta.
 
2012-04-26 01:42:59 PM
That's a lot cooler than the calculus tutor I had. He wore a leather full length coat with an airbrushed Silver Surfer on the back.
 
2012-04-26 02:01:53 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-26 02:02:30 PM
Farking reporters. You should look up the definition of the word "arsenal". Dumbass.
 
2012-04-26 02:02:34 PM
I don't care what the red state folks and the tutors from the article say. Extended clips are not for self defense, they are for offense. I'm not saying they should be illegal, I'm just saying that the perps from the article are full of shi@t.
 
2012-04-26 02:04:01 PM
Now why would you pull someone over for something as mild as an improper lane change?

www.northescambia.com

Ah, the ol' driving while black trick.

/flame on
 
2012-04-26 02:04:10 PM
What must it be like to hate and fear inanimate objects so?
 
2012-04-26 02:05:04 PM
FTA - "Both men were released without any criminal charges or traffic citations."

Why is this news?
 
2012-04-26 02:08:53 PM
Officers spent about two hours searching the vehicle, questioning the men as they stood handcuffed by a police car and running various computer records checks on the vehicle, the firearms and the men. All of the weapons were legally possessed, according to officers.
Both men were released without any criminal charges or traffic citations. Their names were not released since they were not charged with any crime.


Maybe after the first hour and nothing coming back take the handcuffs off and start treating them like citizens instead of criminals.
 
2012-04-26 02:09:02 PM

So the Feds harrass them later?

They aren't doing anything illegal and no arrests have been made in either stop.
 
2012-04-26 02:09:16 PM
imnotadoctor: FTA - "Both men were released without any criminal charges or traffic citations."

Why is this news?


So the middle school can hear about it, and make up a reason to fire them?
 
2012-04-26 02:09:18 PM
Buffco: Farking reporters. You should look up the definition of the word "arsenal". Dumbass.

This
 
2012-04-26 02:09:22 PM
imnotadoctor: FTA - "Both men were released without any criminal charges or traffic citations."

Why is this news?


Yeah, and actually I think the news part is that they are harassing these guys. How did the "illegal lane change" (which I assume means without signaling which I'm sure we all see happen every day on the way to work) turn into pulling them over with search of the car? As mentioned above, probably some racial profiling. And then the guns were legal at the end of it all.

Apparently cops stopped them again (see followup article) and are referring it to the ATF.

Sounds really stupid, and frankly bordering on rights violations. Having legal guns shouldn't be sufficient cause for this sort of harassment.
 
2012-04-26 02:11:50 PM
Headso: Maybe after the first hour and nothing coming back take the handcuffs off and start treating them like citizens instead of criminals.

Hoblit: So the Feds harrass them later?

They aren't doing anything illegal and no arrests have been made in either stop.




Let's all remember it is the "liberals" trying to limit your gun rights. Not the police, who called in the ATF after not being able to find a way to charge these men.
 
2012-04-26 02:13:06 PM
Citrate1007: I don't care what the red state folks and the tutors from the article say. Extended clips are not for self defense, they are for offense. I'm not saying they should be illegal, I'm just saying that the perps from the article are full of shi@t.

If it's not something you have to carry or conceal on your person, why wouldn't you want a big magazine (not "clip" BTW) for defense?
 
2012-04-26 02:15:41 PM
Citrate1007: I don't care what the red state folks and the tutors from the article say. Extended clips are not for self defense, they are for offense. I'm not saying they should be illegal, I'm just saying that the perps from the article are full of shi@t.

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2012-04-26 02:15:44 PM
downpaymentblues: Headso: Maybe after the first hour and nothing coming back take the handcuffs off and start treating them like citizens instead of criminals.

Hoblit: So the Feds harrass them later?

They aren't doing anything illegal and no arrests have been made in either stop.



Let's all remember it is the "liberals" trying to limit your gun rights. Not the police, who called in the ATF after not being able to find a way to charge these men.


The cops just want arrests. They don't really care if the charges they use come from liberals or conservatives. Their job is to find criminals, and if they can't find them, make them.
 
2012-04-26 02:17:53 PM
From the pic it looks like they arrested Fu-Z and Wu-Z.
 
2012-04-26 02:18:23 PM
One of the linked articles in the link said that they weren't contracted with the school and the school had no idea who they were.

I'm not sure WTF they were up to, and neither are the cops. But it looks like they broke no laws.
 
2012-04-26 02:19:10 PM
Buffco: Farking reporters. You should look up the definition of the word "arsenal". Dumbass.

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2012-04-26 02:21:51 PM
OMG FARTBONGO IS COMING FOR OUR GUNS!!!
 
2012-04-26 02:22:03 PM
If it's not something you have to carry or conceal on your person, why wouldn't you want a big magazine (not "clip" BTW) for defense?

If you need 30 rounds to defend yourself, you should spend more time practicing. Either that or you have a very unique way of making friends. I'm all for guns for defense, hunting, or just shi@ts and giggles, but I don't buy their story. They are either very smart criminals or they just got lucky.
 
2012-04-26 02:25:44 PM
I have a buddy who regularly takes 20+ handguns, rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammo to the range to shoot for the day. Many times he takes his kids too. We've often joked about the response he'd get if he were pulled over and the cops saw the firearms.
 
2012-04-26 02:28:40 PM
Two black men were stopped in Alabama and detained for carrying legal firearms.

They were also found to be black men in possession of a small amount of cash.

They were stopped again in Florida where officers were able to confirm that the suspects were indeed black, in legal possession of firearms, and possessing cash while being black. They were eventually let go with a warning about being black.

School resource officers in the Escambia County, Florida, area would be alerted to the fact that two black men are headed in their direction. The men are to be considered armed and dangerous black.

We really need to disarm all police officers, then they might begin treating the armed citizens with some respect.
 
2012-04-26 02:29:16 PM
I hope that agency gets a lawsuit.
 
2012-04-26 02:29:28 PM
www.northescambia.com
I see a Ruger LCP, maybe a Glock and a Ruger LCR. As far as the 3 high capacity mags... yeah, that's not real handy for concealment.
 
2012-04-26 02:30:40 PM
Citrate1007: If it's not something you have to carry or conceal on your person, why wouldn't you want a big magazine (not "clip" BTW) for defense?

If you need 30 rounds to defend yourself, you should spend more time practicing. Either that or you have a very unique way of making friends. I'm all for guns for defense, hunting, or just shi@ts and giggles, but I don't buy their story. They are either very smart criminals or they just got lucky.


Nobody ever came out of a gunfight wishing they didn't have so much ammo left over. The only time you can have too much ammo is when you are drowning or you are on fire.

You're right that it would be incredibly unusual to ever need a 30 round magazine for defense, but once you even need 1 round for defense you've already hit the bad luck jackpot - going a little overboard in that event can't hurt.
 
2012-04-26 02:30:42 PM
Here's a crazy notion: what if these guys were a pair of hit men whose cover was blown?
 
2012-04-26 02:32:26 PM
How were the pair able to manufacture weapons inside of an automobile?
 
2012-04-26 02:33:18 PM
Were they able to get ballistic samples to compare against the slugs they will be pulling out of Zimmerman?
 
2012-04-26 02:35:01 PM
Dimensio: How were the pair able to manufacture weapons inside of an automobile?

You could probably fit a mini-mill/lathe in the backseat of a full-size sedan or station wagon.
 
2012-04-26 02:35:18 PM
they are likely drug dealers. the large amount of cash is the clue.
 
2012-04-26 02:37:11 PM
Whatthefark: I have a buddy who regularly takes 20+ handguns, rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammo to the range to shoot for the day. Many times he takes his kids too. We've often joked about the response he'd get if he were pulled over and the cops saw the firearms.

Does he also take over $8,000 in hundred dolar bills? Because that might be a problem.

The guns were legal - fine; but who goes to tutor kids in a bad neighborhood carrying $8,400 in hundred dollar bills?

Almost certainly they where on their way to buy drugs - and not a bad scam when you think about it.
1. Get a job tutoring troubled school kids
2. Sell them drugs
3. Profit
 
2012-04-26 02:40:10 PM
Citrate1007: If it's not something you have to carry or conceal on your person, why wouldn't you want a big magazine (not "clip" BTW) for defense?

If you need 30 rounds to defend yourself, you should spend more time practicing. Either that or you have a very unique way of making friends. I'm all for guns for defense, hunting, or just shi@ts and giggles, but I don't buy their story. They are either very smart criminals or they just got lucky.


Really? Because they're black?

What if I were pulled over, and I had a bunch of guns and ammo in my car?* Would you say the same about me even though I'm white?

*Happens often enough. Having a bunch of guns in my car that is, not getting pulled over.
 
2012-04-26 02:41:17 PM
Citrate1007: I don't care what the red state folks and the tutors from the article say. Extended clips are not for self defense, they are for offense. I'm not saying they should be illegal, I'm just saying that the perps from the article are full of shi@t.

I own a 30 round clip for my Glock 19 and I mostly certainly don't use it for 'offense'. I use it primarily at the range to but in the event where I ever needed extra ammo it is there. Two 15rd magazines vs one 30rd. It's all the same. I would never bring it will my when I conceal/carry!
 
2012-04-26 02:43:51 PM
I rode 200 miles last Saturday with an AR carbine across my back and Ruger SR9 holstered at my side. The police didn't give me a second look.
 
2012-04-26 02:43:58 PM
Interesting..

When I go Jackson Arms this Saturday morning with over 1,000 rounds of ammo, 2 shotguns, 4 different handguns, and a .280 and if I make a minor lane change violation, will I get this much attention?

Probably not.

Why? Because I'm white? No. Because I would never let the cops search my vehicle and will film their every move/word.

//the cops are not your friend
 
2012-04-26 02:45:06 PM
sithon
they are likely drug dealers. the large amount of cash is the clue.

Yeah, nobody offering free tutoring is raking in that much dough.
 
2012-04-26 02:46:48 PM
sithon: they are likely drug dealers. the large amount of cash is the clue.

They had them detained for over 2 hours. I assume that is enough time to have a drug sniffing dog go over the car. Not that a positive reaction by the dog would mean all that much: One of my Army roommates had the lock on his locker cut and his stuff searched during a "health and welfare" inspection. Turns out that the dog really liked the odor of his dirty socks.
 
2012-04-26 02:48:03 PM
Bondith: sithon
they are likely drug dealers. the large amount of cash is the clue.

Yeah, nobody offering free tutoring is raking in that much dough.


They make up for it by volume.
 
2012-04-26 02:53:26 PM
lilbordr: Citrate1007: I don't care what the red state folks and the tutors from the article say. Extended clips are not for self defense, they are for offense. I'm not saying they should be illegal, I'm just saying that the perps from the article are full of shi@t.

I own a 30 round clip for my Glock 19 and I mostly certainly don't use it for 'offense'. I use it primarily at the range to but in the event where I ever needed extra ammo it is there. Two 15rd magazines vs one 30rd. It's all the same. I would never bring it will my when I conceal/carry!


Glocks don't use clips.
 
2012-04-26 02:57:38 PM
JesseL: I rode 200 miles last Saturday with an AR carbine across my back and Ruger SR9 holstered at my side. The police didn't give me a second look.

Caucasian-like typing detected.
 
2012-04-26 02:59:03 PM
They're black, they should know better than do drive around with that shiat in their car.
 
2012-04-26 03:01:30 PM
trippdogg: Whatthefark: I have a buddy who regularly takes 20+ handguns, rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammo to the range to shoot for the day. Many times he takes his kids too. We've often joked about the response he'd get if he were pulled over and the cops saw the firearms.

Does he also take over $8,000 in hundred dolar bills? Because that might be a problem.

The guns were legal - fine; but who goes to tutor kids in a bad neighborhood carrying $8,400 in hundred dollar bills?

Almost certainly they where on their way to buy drugs - and not a bad scam when you think about it.
1. Get a job tutoring troubled school kids
2. Sell them drugs
3. Profit


It could be they just cashed out their bank account or they just sold some other guns, a car, a living room set...the list of legal reasons to have a large amount of cash in their car is endless. It doesn't always have to be drugs.

It's logic like yours that allows laws such as Civil Asset Forfeiture to exist.
 
2012-04-26 03:01:50 PM
madgonad: JesseL: I rode 200 miles last Saturday with an AR carbine across my back and Ruger SR9 holstered at my side. The police didn't give me a second look.

Caucasian-like typing detected.


Yep, but it would have been hard to tell with the visor down.

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2012-04-26 03:02:38 PM
JesseL: Yep, but it would have been hard to tell with the visor down.

your wranglers are a dead giveaway
 
2012-04-26 03:04:32 PM
JesseL: madgonad: JesseL: I rode 200 miles last Saturday with an AR carbine across my back and Ruger SR9 holstered at my side. The police didn't give me a second look.

Caucasian-like typing detected.

Yep, but it would have been hard to tell with the visor down.

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The lack of gold rims on your bike is a dead giveaway...

/ducks
 
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