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2012-04-26 01:07:42 PM  
Link
great maps of different levels on inequality

cracks me up
People think that the US is such a great place. alas, we have room for improvement
 
2012-04-26 01:26:37 PM  
DUH. This point has been made time and time again.
 
2012-04-26 01:28:06 PM  

namatad: Link
great maps of different levels on inequality

cracks me up
People think that the US is such a great place. alas, we have room for improvement


So, polygamy is legal in the United States? Hmm.
 
2012-04-26 01:28:07 PM  

namatad: Link
great maps of different levels on inequality

cracks me up
People think that the US is such a great place. alas, we have room for improvement


Yeah, we're absolutely horrible, aren't we?

/Stop drinking dude, and get some sleep
 
2012-04-26 01:28:07 PM  
On second thought.... world peace is overrated.
 
2012-04-26 01:29:14 PM  
Why would I want him? He's suspended for 7 games.
 
2012-04-26 01:29:40 PM  
considering how some major religions treat women, there will never be world peace.
 
2012-04-26 01:30:01 PM  
Who wants Ron Artest?
 
2012-04-26 01:30:06 PM  
So elbowing them in the face counts as treating women right?

Man, odd world we live in.
 
2012-04-26 01:30:25 PM  
But what if they are dead?

Link
 
2012-04-26 01:30:37 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-26 01:30:51 PM  
I would have put an obvious tag on that but maybe it isn't.
 
2012-04-26 01:32:22 PM  
Treat your mother right too, per Mr. T's orders.
 
2012-04-26 01:32:25 PM  
Foreign Policy should never have revamped their comments section.

It'll be a shiate-flinging free-for-all like the Economist's in no time at all.
 
2012-04-26 01:32:33 PM  
vulnerable will always be vulnerable

does abortion count as infanticide

does maternal child murder show up

female to female prison rape

female gang turd assault and

female elder abuse

female infidelity promiscuity leading to disease and broken homes

men are by no means innocent

but females are neither more moral, many would say less

nor less violent, many would say more

when females are in power
 
2012-04-26 01:32:55 PM  
Well. I guess this is another sign we are on the decline then.


I'm as much of internet misogynist as the next guy but I don't actually want to take away women's rights over their own body or suggest that they be paid less for doing the same job.

If Republicans get their way we won't be much better off than these African countries anyway. Except our rich people will be much wealthier than theirs..
 
2012-04-26 01:33:08 PM  

numbone: But what if they are dead?

Link


That is really messed up

Young, stupid, and dead isn't my idea of an ideal wife.
 
2012-04-26 01:33:34 PM  
Yeah, go figure that as you give women the same rights enjoyed by men, the quality of life goes up.

Hasn't this been known for a while now? Places where they treat women as chattel tend to be hell holes, places where they are treated as equals are pretty nice (if a bit cold in the winter)...
 
2012-04-26 01:35:18 PM  
Countries greatness often depends also on how they treat pets. Any country that treats their pets like shiat is usually not somewhere you want to live.
 
2012-04-26 01:36:58 PM  
ph.cdn.photos.upi.com
 
2012-04-26 01:37:38 PM  

Carousel Beast: namatad: Link
great maps of different levels on inequality

cracks me up
People think that the US is such a great place. alas, we have room for improvement

Yeah, we're absolutely horrible, aren't we?

/Stop drinking dude, and get some sleep


I think this might have been trolled in the boobies, since that chart shows the US being on par with Western Europe except for number of female ministers.
 
2012-04-26 01:37:52 PM  

namatad: Link
great maps of different levels on inequality

cracks me up
People think that the US is such a great place. alas, we have room for improvement


No, we don't, we are number 1, we have nothing to learn from anyone. Whatever we do is the best way to do it because we are always right. You don't have to strive to be better when you are already the best.

USA USA USA
 
2012-04-26 01:38:43 PM  

dang sure: female gang turd assault


Explain.
 
2012-04-26 01:38:56 PM  
Link (New window)
 
2012-04-26 01:39:18 PM  
What if we are willing to settle for armed neutrality?
 
2012-04-26 01:40:41 PM  

numbone: But what if they are dead?

Link


Fair game. Also, 14+? Fair game.

Islam: Religion of pedo-necrophiles.
 
2012-04-26 01:41:14 PM  

RainbowDash: Link (New window)

Urgh. posted before finishing. (Headline made me think of this)

 
2012-04-26 01:42:59 PM  

namatad: Link
great maps of different levels on inequality

cracks me up
People think that the US is such a great place. alas, we have room for improvement


I like the maps too, but I question the "Son preference" map. If every single country in the world has a "son preference" (which I'm guessing means the male/female sex ratio at birth is > 1; worldwide, it's 1.07), then this is probably biology, not cultural.

I've got questions about the other maps, but I should probably read the journal article at some point.

"The US is a great place" and "There is room for improvement" are not contradictory statements.
 
2012-04-26 01:43:27 PM  
Switzerland has an extremely abnormal childhood sex ratio favoring males? Like China and India?
 
2012-04-26 01:43:42 PM  
Woot Canada is all like 'bland and good' until you hit the child gender bias...the hell? Are the stats skewed by all those 3rd worlders sending their best children here or something?
 
2012-04-26 01:44:16 PM  
Look. We already gave them the vote....

/amidoingitrite
 
2012-04-26 01:44:54 PM  
i disagree. i think that gender inequality is a symptom of a unstable region, not a cause of it. in regions that have political instability, law enforcement is often non existant. in such a situation, if a woman is wronged by someone, it is up to the men of her family or tribe or village to correct/avenge the wrong. often times this corrective action will involve violence and represents a huge risk for the men that must carry it out. Additionally, any violence in such a society has to potential to spiral out of control as opposing groups get revenge for previous acts of revenge.

In such a situation, it makes sense for the village to make sure that its women are not running around getting into trouble. Imagine that the men of your village must avenge your sister if she gets raped while she was hanging around the local warlord's house while alone and dressed provocatively. would you risk your life and the lives of the rest of your village to give your sister the right to whore around as she pleases? Or would you place restrictions on the actions of your sister for the good of everyone? i dont know the answer because ive never lived in a place like that, but as you can see, it is not so cut and dry.
 
2012-04-26 01:45:00 PM  
In other words, primitive societies perform worse. OK, got it.
 
2012-04-26 01:45:31 PM  
Always treat your sandwich makers with respect
 
2012-04-26 01:48:13 PM  
Hey fellas, have you heard the news?

/better not be obscure...
 
2012-04-26 01:48:13 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Woot Canada is all like 'bland and good' until you hit the child gender bias...the hell? Are the stats skewed by all those 3rd worlders sending their best children here or something?


No, those stats are skewed by sex selective abortion.

If I remember right, their are about 50 million missing females in China and 30 million in India.
 
2012-04-26 01:49:25 PM  
Happy wife, happy life?
 
2012-04-26 01:50:05 PM  

lazyguineapig33: i disagree. i think that gender inequality is a symptom of a unstable region, not a cause of it. in regions that have political instability, law enforcement is often non existant. in such a situation, if a woman is wronged by someone, it is up to the men of her family or tribe or village to correct/avenge the wrong. often times this corrective action will involve violence and represents a huge risk for the men that must carry it out. Additionally, any violence in such a society has to potential to spiral out of control as opposing groups get revenge for previous acts of revenge.

In such a situation, it makes sense for the village to make sure that its women are not running around getting into trouble. Imagine that the men of your village must avenge your sister if she gets raped while she was hanging around the local warlord's house while alone and dressed provocatively. would you risk your life and the lives of the rest of your village to give your sister the right to whore around as she pleases? Or would you place restrictions on the actions of your sister for the good of everyone? i dont know the answer because ive never lived in a place like that, but as you can see, it is not so cut and dry.


wtf am i reading.....
 
2012-04-26 01:50:55 PM  
Yes! I finally get the validation I needed.
 
2012-04-26 01:51:20 PM  

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/23/why_do_they_hate_us? p age=0,0


When more than 90 percent of ever-married women in Egypt -- including my mother and all but one of her six sisters -- have had their genitals cut in the name of modesty, then surely we must all blaspheme.


:(
 
2012-04-26 01:51:23 PM  

Fano: I think this might have been trolled in the boobies


Well, this is the thread for it.
 
2012-04-26 01:55:41 PM  

crab66: lazyguineapig33: i disagree. i think that gender inequality is a symptom of a unstable region, not a cause of it. in regions that have political instability, law enforcement is often non existant. in such a situation, if a woman is wronged by someone, it is up to the men of her family or tribe or village to correct/avenge the wrong. often times this corrective action will involve violence and represents a huge risk for the men that must carry it out. Additionally, any violence in such a society has to potential to spiral out of control as opposing groups get revenge for previous acts of revenge.

In such a situation, it makes sense for the village to make sure that its women are not running around getting into trouble. Imagine that the men of your village must avenge your sister if she gets raped while she was hanging around the local warlord's house while alone and dressed provocatively. would you risk your life and the lives of the rest of your village to give your sister the right to whore around as she pleases? Or would you place restrictions on the actions of your sister for the good of everyone? i dont know the answer because ive never lived in a place like that, but as you can see, it is not so cut and dry.

wtf am i reading.....


you are reading something that you have never thought about before because you live in a country with law and order. some of our ideals are simply so completely removed from the realities of life in places like Afghanistan that they are utterly incompatible
 
2012-04-26 01:57:16 PM  
That's a nice logical workaround, the analysis arriving at the use of the women's policy as a metric (easier to quantify plus some pretty good predicative power) reminds me of a similar paper I saw presented on fluid rheology that found something similar about free entropy.

Kind of nice to see social sciences behaving like, well, science nowadays, maybe they're finally coming out of their awkward "alchemy" phase.

draypresct: "The US is a great place" and "There is room for improvement" are not contradictory statements.


My personal opinion is that the element of US culture that always casts us in a negative light and insists we need to improve is the reason we're one of the best nations in the world. Another reason to dislike the fundies, honestly: there's a big difference between being conservative (arguing that the current system is better than a proposed change) and being a useless drag on progress (insisting that everything's perfect and no proposed change could ever be good). Rational conservatism results in better policy, fundies result in no new policy, even when proposed changes are justifiable.

I'm also unsure why the far right can't pick a time period to revert to and stick with it, they seem to be jumping between the late 1800s, the early 1950s, the early 1100s, and the mid 1600s at random to just cherry-pick the social mores that screw over women the most. Basically Wahabbism with an extra dose of Jesus (Islam already having a pretty big dose of Jesus, him being a super-prophet and all).
 
2012-04-26 02:02:00 PM  
Some good charts on there. US isn't too far off from the UK, and in terms of male child preference US was better than most. What I didn't like was the Physical Security map that listed no data for rankings.

I don't get the whole may your first child be a masculine child attitude.
 
2012-04-26 02:05:22 PM  

SandMann: BumpInTheNight: Woot Canada is all like 'bland and good' until you hit the child gender bias...the hell? Are the stats skewed by all those 3rd worlders sending their best children here or something?

No, those stats are skewed by sex selective abortion.

If I remember right, their are about 50 million missing females in China and 30 million in India.


The actual data on male/female sex ratio at birth do not support the idea that there is a large amount of sex-selection at birth in Canada. They're better than average, and right around the "natural ratio" of about 1.06. Link.

Here are the actual numbers of a few countries:

World: 1.07
Canada: 1.06
Sweden (another country with generally good treatment of women): 1.06
US: 1.05
China: 1.13
India: 1.12

Source.
 
2012-04-26 02:06:07 PM  
BIE/EIP

\ Too soon?
 
2012-04-26 02:09:03 PM  

maxximillian: Some good charts on there. US isn't too far off from the UK, and in terms of male child preference US was better than most. What I didn't like was the Physical Security map that listed no data for rankings.


I agree - I'd like to see a little more on what they based these on, also.

I don't get the whole may your first child be a masculine child attitude.

I think it's linked (in China) to two things: the 1 child per family policy, and the tradition that the bride joins the husband's family. A couple with a single daughter will have no-one to support them in their old age.
 
2012-04-26 02:09:42 PM  
There are many things that make me feel ashamed of my country. This is one of them.
 
2012-04-26 02:16:32 PM  

draypresct: SandMann: BumpInTheNight: Woot Canada is all like 'bland and good' until you hit the child gender bias...the hell? Are the stats skewed by all those 3rd worlders sending their best children here or something?

No, those stats are skewed by sex selective abortion.

If I remember right, their are about 50 million missing females in China and 30 million in India.

The actual data on male/female sex ratio at birth do not support the idea that there is a large amount of sex-selection at birth in Canada. They're better than average, and right around the "natural ratio" of about 1.06. Link.

Here are the actual numbers of a few countries:

World: 1.07
Canada: 1.06
Sweden (another country with generally good treatment of women): 1.06
US: 1.05
China: 1.13
India: 1.12

Source.


The CIA data and the non-quantified maps in the article are discordant. I'll take the CIA data.

Still sucks to be a female fetus in China or India.
 
2012-04-26 02:26:56 PM  
I'm too lazy to read the details. But it seems like this is another case of confusing correlation and causation. Am I off base here?
 
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