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2012-04-26 11:35:33 AM  
It's sad that FSU has had to make such huge cuts.
 
2012-04-26 11:35:35 AM  
Someone has to run the porn websites.
 
2012-04-26 11:37:37 AM  
Ahhh, those computer things are just a fad anyway.
 
2012-04-26 11:38:46 AM  
FTA
I got some insider emails saying that this was about internal politics, with budget issues just an excuse. Maybe that's right.

If so this guy needs to be canned.
 
2012-04-26 11:39:48 AM  
Is it just me or are colleges becoming more divided? They're supposed to all be a place of higher learning. Instead, we have morons catering to athletic departments in some and cutting education programs while others are going full nerd.

It's like, if you need an actual education, go to the nerd school. If you want to get drunk, watch homoerotic exercises and end up biatching that you don't have a job for your psychology degree while flipping burgers and waiting tables, go to the sports schools.
 
2012-04-26 11:42:16 AM  
University
And its jocks never will learn
That nerds always win
 
2012-04-26 11:43:40 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: Is it just me or are colleges becoming more divided? They're supposed to all be a place of higher learning. Instead, we have morons catering to athletic departments...


...but getting to use the school's Lear jet is pretty awesome.
 
2012-04-26 11:44:00 AM  
UF girls are ok. FSU and UCF has way hotter.
 
2012-04-26 11:45:41 AM  

WienerButt: UF girls are ok. FSU and UCF has way hotter.


Citation (and pics) needed.
 
2012-04-26 11:48:25 AM  
Good. Now jack tuitions 95%.
 
2012-04-26 11:48:56 AM  

stealthd: WienerButt: UF girls are ok. FSU and UCF has way hotter.

Citation (and pics) needed.


Bookmark set.
 
2012-04-26 11:50:59 AM  
At least you "sky is falling" dorks can shut the fark up about it now.
 
2012-04-26 11:53:05 AM  
While we're talking about cheerleaders from the South, lets not forget about Anna Watson:

redandblack.com
 
2012-04-26 11:53:34 AM  

stealthd: WienerButt: UF girls are ok. FSU and UCF has way hotter.

Citation (and pics) needed.


If I wasn't on my phone, I would do it. I could post pictures of random girls I knew in college or that I work with, and they would blow half the shiat away in the Entertainment tab.

/also visited ASU and they had hot girls.
//I imagine USC is up there, too.
 
2012-04-26 11:54:05 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: Is it just me or are colleges becoming more divided? They're supposed to all be a place of higher learning. Instead, we have morons catering to athletic departments in some and cutting education programs while others are going full nerd.


I think the real divide is between the taurine scatology dominated humanities (most anything with 'studies' communications, law and other hangouts of the politically correct) and the STEMM (science technology, engineering, math and medicine) departments.

Glenn Reynolds has been covering what he calls (with justice) the 'Higher Education Bubble' and even if you account for his political bias, it is worrying,
 
2012-04-26 11:54:05 AM  
I'd say that trying to cut computer sci and Engineering from a univeristy is Literally unbelieveable except that its just a continuing symptom the dumbing down of America's education system

When did we become okay with the fact that the highest paid "educators" at a given university are the ones that teach a select group of scholarship endowed 'students" how to play a childrens game?


When did it become normal that someone who is good at coaching basketball could expect to earn 10x what a Nobel Laureate at an institute of Higher education?
 
2012-04-26 11:55:08 AM  

WienerButt: UF girls are ok. FSU and UCF has way hotter.


I second this assertion.

Tallahassee is an extremely fun town, during the school year (outside of that its pretty boring actually). Grew up around Orlando, it can be pretty fun too.
 
2012-04-26 11:55:50 AM  
Why would you ditch the CS department???

I can understand when Michigan Tech dumped their mining degree and consolidated it into civil, even if it was the program they founded the university on. It had 8 students.

You can't tell me a large state university has only 8 students in their CS program

And with the big STEM push, how the hell could they justify this???
 
2012-04-26 11:57:57 AM  
From what I've heard from a faculty member at UF Engineering, the CISE was poorly managed and faculty there were tenured, but did practically no research whatsoever, yet the lion's share of teaching was done by TAs on waivers. With no research grants or funding coming in, and lots of expendatures (tuitionwaivers, TA stipends, etc) the department was a financial drag. The School of Engineering decided to cut the fat and eliminate one whole department, rather than have all the other departments take yet another small cut.
The travesty in all this is not that the Atheltic Department makes money or continues to thrive, its funding mechanisms are wholly separate, but that the Legislature decided to cut the entire statewide budget. Yet coincidentally there's somehow enough money for the funding of an entirely new Polytechnic University that just so happens to be in the jurisdiction of JD Alexander, a State Senator loyal to Scott.
Florida politics make me queasy.
 
2012-04-26 11:58:37 AM  

Magorn: I'd say that trying to cut computer sci and Engineering from a univeristy is Literally unbelieveable except that its just a continuing symptom the dumbing down of America's education system

When did we become okay with the fact that the highest paid "educators" at a given university are the ones that teach a select group of scholarship endowed 'students" how to play a childrens game?


When did it become normal that someone who is good at coaching basketball could expect to earn 10x what a Nobel Laureate at an institute of Higher education?


All good questions, and I'd really like to take the time to provide you with some thoughtful answers, but the 'Jersey Shore' commercial break just ended. Gotta go...
 
2012-04-26 12:00:00 PM  

meat0918: Why would you ditch the CS department???

I can understand when Michigan Tech dumped their mining degree and consolidated it into civil, even if it was the program they founded the university on. It had 8 students.

You can't tell me a large state university has only 8 students in their CS program

And with the big STEM push, how the hell could they justify this???


I was one of those 8 students. GO HUSKIES!
 
2012-04-26 12:00:10 PM  
So this illustrates a quote I heard years ago:

"The politics of the university are so intense because the stakes are so low."
 
2012-04-26 12:00:32 PM  
Offshoring making Computer Science graduates the largest unemployed group

http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/inside-outsourcing/2010/09/is-off s horing-making-computer-science-graduates-the-largest-unemployed-group. html


clip - information technology has turned into one of the biggest job-growth disappointments of all time.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_39/b4002001.htm


clip - Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more capable science and engineering grads than the job market can support

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_82739 8 .htm
 
2012-04-26 12:02:23 PM  

Magorn: I'd say that trying to cut computer sci and Engineering from a univeristy is Literally unbelieveable except that its just a continuing symptom the dumbing down of America's education system

When did we become okay with the fact that the highest paid "educators" at a given university are the ones that teach a select group of scholarship endowed 'students" how to play a childrens game?


When did it become normal that someone who is good at coaching basketball could expect to earn 10x what a Nobel Laureate at an institute of Higher education?


The free market prevails.

Take a look at the building Phil Knight gave to the University of Oregon.

media.oregonlive.com

That's E-Glass all around the building. $41.7 million dollars. And it is only for the athletes.

Mean while, other general student facilities languish.
 
2012-04-26 12:02:40 PM  

Two16: It's sad that FSU has had to make such huge cuts.


Yeah, it's unfortunate they had to cut back on the "hot cheerleader" budget.

/who are we kidding?
//they did that years ago
 
2012-04-26 12:03:32 PM  

Wolfmanjames: I think the real divide is between the taurine scatology dominated humanities (most anything with 'studies' communications, law and other hangouts of the politically correct) and the STEMM (science technology, engineering, math and medicine) departments.


And the College of Business will never face a funding cut. Somebody's gotta pay for shiat.

//Love your description of the humanities.
 
2012-04-26 12:04:29 PM  

superfudge73: meat0918: Why would you ditch the CS department???

I can understand when Michigan Tech dumped their mining degree and consolidated it into civil, even if it was the program they founded the university on. It had 8 students.

You can't tell me a large state university has only 8 students in their CS program

And with the big STEM push, how the hell could they justify this???

I was one of those 8 students. GO HUSKIES!


God that whole thing sucked. As understandable as it may have been, it's what the school was founded on.
 
2012-04-26 12:05:13 PM  

Wicked Chinchilla: WienerButt: UF girls are ok. FSU and UCF has way hotter.

I second this assertion.

Tallahassee is an extremely fun town, during the school year (outside of that its pretty boring actually). Grew up around Orlando, it can be pretty fun too.


But can they count past potato?

/how are UF and FSU students alike?
//the both got into FSU
 
2012-04-26 12:06:06 PM  

Bob16: Offshoring making Computer Science graduates the largest unemployed group

http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/inside-outsourcing/2010/09/is-off s horing-making-computer-science-graduates-the-largest-unemployed-group. html


clip - information technology has turned into one of the biggest job-growth disappointments of all time.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_39/b4002001.htm


clip - Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more capable science and engineering grads than the job market can support

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_82739 8 .htm



Depends on whom you ask...
Link
 
2012-04-26 12:08:13 PM  
It was a relief to see Dr Machen do something.
 
2012-04-26 12:13:49 PM  
Follow the Money

While football may seem eternal, I think everyone here can guarantee that Information Technology actually is. Bad move U of F
 
2012-04-26 12:15:19 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Bob16: Offshoring making Computer Science graduates the largest unemployed group

http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/inside-outsourcing/2010/09/is-off s horing-making-computer-science-graduates-the-largest-unemployed-group. html


clip - information technology has turned into one of the biggest job-growth disappointments of all time.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_39/b4002001.htm


clip - Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more capable science and engineering grads than the job market can support

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_82739 8 .htm


Depends on whom you ask...
Link


The trick is, where are they being employed, the states, or abroad?

I know quite a few people that found better paying work outside America with their engineering and computer science degrees. A couple of them even worked in the Virgin Islands for a while, but most are in Europe, in Germany, Denmark, and France for the most part.
 
2012-04-26 12:17:28 PM  

Gonz: Wolfmanjames: I think the real divide is between the taurine scatology dominated humanities (most anything with 'studies' communications, law and other hangouts of the politically correct) and the STEMM (science technology, engineering, math and medicine) departments.

And the College of Business will never face a funding cut. Somebody's gotta pay for shiat.

//Love your description of the humanities.


I did major in US History, mostly because I realized that I would not make it as a bio major. (Brain not built for calculus and the thought of orgo was too daunting.) And yeah, I went to law school after. But there are the humanities and then there are... well read this link.
 
2012-04-26 12:18:27 PM  
Instapundit, Subby? Why not just link to Free Republic?
 
2012-04-26 12:19:06 PM  

Magorn: I'd say that trying to cut computer sci and Engineering from a univeristy is Literally unbelieveable except that its just a continuing symptom the dumbing down of America's education system

When did we become okay with the fact that the highest paid "educators" at a given university are the ones that teach a select group of scholarship endowed 'students" how to play a childrens game?


When did it become normal that someone who is good at coaching basketball could expect to earn 10x what a Nobel Laureate at an institute of Higher education?


Lot of money in sports.
 
2012-04-26 12:21:54 PM  

meat0918: Smoky Dragon Dish: Bob16: Offshoring making Computer Science graduates the largest unemployed group

http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/inside-outsourcing/2010/09/is-off s horing-making-computer-science-graduates-the-largest-unemployed-group. html


clip - information technology has turned into one of the biggest job-growth disappointments of all time.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_39/b4002001.htm


clip - Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more capable science and engineering grads than the job market can support

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_82739 8 .htm


Depends on whom you ask...
Link

The trick is, where are they being employed, the states, or abroad?

I know quite a few people that found better paying work outside America with their engineering and computer science degrees. A couple of them even worked in the Virgin Islands for a while, but most are in Europe, in Germany, Denmark, and France for the most part.


Geography is important. I live in NJ, and when Lucent went belly-up, it flooded the market and it was hard to find a computer science or engineering job. Speaking for myself, I've never had a problem, but it all depends on where you liveI have a degree in Comp Sci and I have headhunters cold calling me, I guess from my LinkedIn profile. Although if I were younger, I wouldn't mind moving to the USVI for a few years.

I think the issue is that the whole job market sucks, not just for computer scientists and engineers. We're just more aware of the butthurt because we had it so easy back in the day.
 
2012-04-26 12:24:44 PM  
What use is a CS degree anyway? All they do is teach you to rant and rave about Objects and Microkernels and eschew writing small and fast programs.
 
2012-04-26 12:25:17 PM  
I'm wondering what their alternative is... dissolving their English Department?

/we don't need no stinkin' departmun to learn us how to speek americun
 
2012-04-26 12:27:01 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: meat0918: Smoky Dragon Dish: Bob16: Offshoring making Computer Science graduates the largest unemployed group

http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/inside-outsourcing/2010/09/is-off s horing-making-computer-science-graduates-the-largest-unemployed-group. html


clip - information technology has turned into one of the biggest job-growth disappointments of all time.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_39/b4002001.htm


clip - Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more capable science and engineering grads than the job market can support

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_82739 8 .htm


Depends on whom you ask...
Link

The trick is, where are they being employed, the states, or abroad?

I know quite a few people that found better paying work outside America with their engineering and computer science degrees. A couple of them even worked in the Virgin Islands for a while, but most are in Europe, in Germany, Denmark, and France for the most part.

Geography is important. I live in NJ, and when Lucent went belly-up, it flooded the market and it was hard to find a computer science or engineering job. Speaking for myself, I've never had a problem, but it all depends on where you liveI have a degree in Comp Sci and I have headhunters cold calling me, I guess from my LinkedIn profile. Although if I were younger, I wouldn't mind moving to the USVI for a few years.

I think the issue is that the whole job market sucks, not just for computer scientists and engineers. We're just more aware of the butthurt because we had it so easy back in the day.


I only dabbled with a headhunter when I was desperate. I found the job I am currently over 5 years ago, and I am still getting cold calls monthly. The jobs are shiat though, and I wouldn't dream of taking one.

Seriously, companies, if you want someone to program SQL and C++, C#, and WPF, and have 3-5 years experience doing so, don't offer $14 an hour as the starting point for pay negotiations.

I wish I was joking... I've gotten cold calls for IT work starting at $10.
 
2012-04-26 12:37:50 PM  

Obscene_CNN: What use is a CS degree anyway? All they do is teach you to rant and rave about Objects and Microkernels and eschew writing small and fast programs.


(define factorial
(lambda (n)
(if (= n 0) 1
(* n (factorial (- n 1))))))
 
2012-04-26 12:41:23 PM  

meat0918: I wish I was joking... I've gotten cold calls for IT work starting at $10....


The job market is improving but as recently as a year ago I was seeing entry level positions(for entry level pay) that were requiring 10+ years of experience or advanced degrees before they'd even consider an application.
 
2012-04-26 12:45:15 PM  

meat0918:
I only dabbled with a headhunter when I was desperate. I found the job I am currently over 5 years ago, and I am still getting cold calls monthly. The jobs are shiat though, and I wouldn't dream of taking one.

Seriously, companies, if you want someone to program SQL and C++, C#, and WPF, and have 3-5 years experience doing so, don't offer $14 an hour ...


QA guy with about the same story here; though I have used headhunters in the past, I've yet to land a job through one. Every position I've had has been through networking or a job board. Wait...first tech job, prior to Al Gore giving us the 'tubes, through a notice from my school (Suffolk County CC, NY).

On the $14/hr line - it's all I can do to keep from laughing or berating them for wasting my time and cell minutes.
 
2012-04-26 12:46:16 PM  

Voiceofreason01: meat0918: I wish I was joking... I've gotten cold calls for IT work starting at $10....

The job market is improving but as recently as a year ago I was seeing entry level positions(for entry level pay) that were requiring 10+ years of experience or advanced degrees before they'd even consider an application.


Back in 1998, I remember seeing job postings asking for 5+ years of Java experience. In 1998, 5+ years of Java. Seriously... WTF???

Sometimes things get lost in translation after going though the beancounters at HR/personnel.
 
2012-04-26 12:47:08 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Obscene_CNN: What use is a CS degree anyway? All they do is teach you to rant and rave about Objects and Microkernels and eschew writing small and fast programs.

(define factorial
(lambda (n)
(if (= n 0) 1
(* n (factorial (- n 1))))))


data segment
b1 db 512 dup(0)
b2 db 512 dup(0)
msg db 0dh,0ah,"Number:$"
fac db 0dh,0ah,"Factorial",0dh,0ah,"$"
data ends

bignum_get macro var
local exit,get,loo,skip
xor cx,cx
lea si,var
mov di,si
mov ah,01h
get:
int 21h
cmp al,0dh
je exit
sub al,30h
mov [si],al
inc si
inc cx
jmp get
exit:
shr cx,1
jz skip
dec si
loo:
mov ah,[si]
mov al,[di]
mov [si],al
mov [di],ah
dec si
inc di
loop loo
skip:
endm

geti macro
local exit,get
xor bx,bx
mov dx,bx
mov cx,00ah
get:
push bx
;Read character
mov ah,01h
int 21h
xor ah,ah
pop bx
;If enter stop
cmp al,0dh
jz exit
sub al,30h
;Multply By 10
push ax
mov ax,bx
mul cx
mov bx,ax
pop ax
;add
add bx,ax
;redo
jmp get
exit:
mov ax,bx
endm

bignum_put macro var
local put,en,nxt,exit
lea si,var
mov di,si
mov cx,0200h
add di,cx
dec di
en:
cmp BYTE PTR [di],00h
jne nxt
dec di
jmp en
nxt:
mov ah,02h
put:
mov dl,[di]
add dl,30h
int 21h
cmp si,di
je exit
dec di
loop put
exit:
endm



bignum_add macro b1,b2
local ader,exit
lea si,b1
lea di,b2

mov cx,0200h
mov bl,10
ader:
mov al,[di]
mov ah,[si]
add al,ah
jz exit
xor ah,ah
div bl
mov [si],ah
inc si
add [si],al
inc di
loop ader
exit:
endm

bignum_mul macro b1
local loo,exit
cmp dl,01h
jz exit
lea si,b1
mov dh,10
xor bx,bx
mov cx,0200h
loo:
mov al,[si]
xor ah,ah
mul dl
add ax,bx
div dh
mov [si],ah
inc si
mov bl,al
loop loo
exit:
endm

puts macro msg
push ax
push dx
mov dx,offset msg
mov ah,09h
int 21h
pop dx
pop ax
endm


assume cs:code,ds:data
code segment
start:
mov ax,data
mov ds,ax

lea si,b1
mov BYTE PTR [si],01h

puts msg
geti
mov dl,al
loo:
push dx
bignum_mul b1
pop dx
dec dl
jnz loo

puts fac
bignum_put b1
mov ah,4ch
int 21h
code ends
end start
 
2012-04-26 12:51:53 PM  

Odd Bird: meat0918:
I only dabbled with a headhunter when I was desperate. I found the job I am currently over 5 years ago, and I am still getting cold calls monthly. The jobs are shiat though, and I wouldn't dream of taking one.

Seriously, companies, if you want someone to program SQL and C++, C#, and WPF, and have 3-5 years experience doing so, don't offer $14 an hour ...

QA guy with about the same story here; though I have used headhunters in the past, I've yet to land a job through one. Every position I've had has been through networking or a job board. Wait...first tech job, prior to Al Gore giving us the 'tubes, through a notice from my school (Suffolk County CC, NY).

On the $14/hr line - it's all I can do to keep from laughing or berating them for wasting my time and cell minutes.


I've never used headhunters, but they call. I got my most recent job when I actually physically brought my resume here. I can't say who I work for or what exactly I do, but it would make more sense if I could say,,,
 
2012-04-26 01:01:15 PM  

Bob16: Offshoring making Computer Science graduates the largest unemployed group

http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/inside-outsourcing/2010/09/is-off s horing-making-computer-science-graduates-the-largest-unemployed-group. html


clip - information technology has turned into one of the biggest job-growth disappointments of all time.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_39/b4002001.htm


clip - Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more capable science and engineering grads than the job market can support

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_82739 8 .htm


Most of that goes right back the h-1b visas In the middle of the last tech boom when most competent Programmers and network engineers could expect about 1 cold call a month offering to double their salary or give them millions ins stock options at a new start -up or both, Places like Microsoft figued out that H-1b visa was a great way to hire competent talent at last year's prices and be assured of them staying by the H1-b made them virtual serf who risked being deported if they changed jobs
 
2012-04-26 01:04:50 PM  

Magorn: I'd say that trying to cut computer sci and Engineering from a univeristy is Literally unbelieveable except that its just a continuing symptom the dumbing down of America's education system

When did we become okay with the fact that the highest paid "educators" at a given university are the ones that teach a select group of scholarship endowed 'students" how to play a childrens game?


When did it become normal that someone who is good at coaching basketball could expect to earn 10x what a Nobel Laureate at an institute of Higher education?


It is about who brings in more money. A coach that can win games gets your team on TV, win big games you get on national TV, keeping winning then you are marketing to a very wide range of people. It is proven, at least here at UK, that when the basketball team does well, student retention and applications go up, and the quality of student goes up as well. Also, the school doesn't pay the salary of the coaches, the vast majority of the salary for the top tier coaches comes from private donations and endorsement deals.

In the case of UK our athletics provides over $1 million for academic scholarships for non athletes. Our deal with ESPN and the SEC ensures that all mens basketball and football will be on regional if not national tv, and so our commercials and name is broadcast around the country.

The trick is once you get them, you have to graduate them, and then the students have to get good jobs an donate back to the university. For instance, Engineering (CS) here is in no danger, we have highly respected graduates that help recruit, that sponsor scholarships, and donate money for facilities. This last year we opened up a new building just for Computer Science research. But at the same time we are struggling with other departments which are struggling to buy new computers for faculty and staff members.

When state budget cuts come through they try to prvent the big cuts from education, I think this year the state took a 10% decrease, but Higher Ed is having to deal with a 6% decrease. The question to legislature is what do you cut, Health Care, Infrastructure or Education? If they raise business taxes, the businesses will leave for another state.

Simply put it sucks, but it may be time for some Universities to drop off departments that can't sustain themselves, let those students go to a college that specializes in those programs.

Simply put, if you bring in money to the school, then the school will continue to work with you to help you bring in money. Winning coaches and researchers getting large grants make the press. Where as a Nobel Laureate that the average 18 year old hasn't heard of doesn't put kids in the seats. Graduate schools maybe, but not undergrad.
 
2012-04-26 01:04:58 PM  

Obscene_CNN: Smoky Dragon Dish: Obscene_CNN: What use is a CS degree anyway? All they do is teach you to rant and rave about Objects and Microkernels and eschew writing small and fast programs.

(define factorial
(lambda (n)
(if (= n 0) 1
(* n (factorial (- n 1))))))
...
int 21h
code ends
end start


Result:
Hello World!
Hello World!
Hello World!
Hello World!
Hello World!
...
 
2012-04-26 01:07:00 PM  

Bob16: Offshoring making Computer Science graduates the largest unemployed group

http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/inside-outsourcing/2010/09/is-off s horing-making-computer-science-graduates-the-largest-unemployed-group. html


clip - information technology has turned into one of the biggest job-growth disappointments of all time.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_39/b4002001.htm


clip - Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more capable science and engineering grads than the job market can support

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_82739 8 .htm


It all depends on how the stuff is taught, and what the goal of the school is. Here the instructors tell you, that if you just want to program, you better move to India, that if you want a CS degree, you better begin to understand design and theory so you can become a product architect and designer, or high end researcher. because code monkey is not a long term job.
 
2012-04-26 01:15:45 PM  
They only cut ~2 million, that is like a professor and a couple of office drones.

Not a big deal.

Several of the top universities have combined EE and CS.
 
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