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2012-04-26 12:02:47 PM
Bees are livestock: While i was detained a couple came inside and sat on the bench too. shortly after a BP agent came in and told them therewere being arrested for possession of cocaine. The agent during the search found a baggy that had a little more than reside in it a tiny baggy. They were also informed that their vehicle and possessions were being seized and would be sold at auction. The woman seemed dumbfounded and the agent happly told her that there is zero tolerence to cocaine trafficking.

That's farking ridiculous. They're ruining someone's life over a few milligrams of blow.
 
2012-04-26 12:02:58 PM
1900 Enter at Ellis Island - give us your name, your sponsor's name and profession etc...

2012 - Farking free for all! You're racist if you don't support it! WOOOOO HOOOOOO!!


employs legal resident aliens, speaks Spanish, not racist, supports Ellis Island style
 
2012-04-26 12:04:54 PM
Snarfangel: CygnusDarius: EdNortonsTwin: Let's just open the border, it's the unracist thing to do.

Heads would explode.

I would welcome the Great State of Annexico.

/Mexicans wouldn't have to cross over the border, the border would cross over them.


Or we could ditch this whole Canda, US, Mexico thing and just turn into a massive North American Country. The problem would lie on our different economies, (Mexico and the US would drag Canada to the ground).
 
2012-04-26 12:05:42 PM
I have no problem with giving the SW back to Mexico while paying all their expenses. Just so long as all the progressives who don't live there now, move there.
 
2012-04-26 12:07:24 PM
EdNortonsTwin: [atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com image 460x343]

These guys just want a better life here in the US. As you can see they are happy to be here, and are probably pretty excited about setting an example for the anchor babies they'd like to send to your schools.

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty excited about hiring some of these guys to build my deck


Yeah and that picture wasn't a trolled response after calling them some vulgar name...?
 
2012-04-26 12:08:08 PM
sharkbeagle: I have no problem with giving the SW back to Mexico while paying all their expenses. Just so long as all the progressives who don't live there now, move there.

All you'd have left is Freepers, Stormfront users, Teabaggers and the 1%.
 
2012-04-26 12:08:22 PM
theMightyRegeya: Meh. They were just talking about this on News Hour. One of the AZ state senators pointed out that, like most of the country, illegal immigration is down, but drug violence is up. The answer to this, of course, is to crack down even harder on illegal drugs.

And really, the Feds are refusing to enforce the law? What the hell are you smoking? Ignoring reality doesn't make your opinion fact.


You see, despite the fact that Obama has deported more illegals in three years then Clinton and Bush did in 16 and has prosecuted more companies for hiring illegals then the last five Presidents (numbers pulled out of my ass; I know he's done record numbers but can't remember the exact ratios, too lazy to google), this is just further proof that Obama is soft on immigration.
 
2012-04-26 12:08:30 PM
The One True TheDavid: Yikes. You mean I'll have to carry my birth certificate around? You know, because over the years I've personally met dozens of "illegal immigrants" who were from England, the Netherlands, Sweden, Germany -- several northern European Caucasians from several predominantly northern European Caucasian countries in northern Europe.

Well, the ones in my family tree (French, German and Hungarian) did it legally - with all the paperwork necessary at the time. The worst case is that one branch of my family ended up in today's Maryland instead of North Carolina; however, all had their papers in order even if they weren't all looked as well-favored.

They didnt need fraud-ridden guest worker programs, they didnt need to jump the border, they didn't need to become some special category other than being productive and hardworking person or group of people. So take your favoritism of illegals somewhere else where illegals have overrun the nation - I hear the EU has nations that like you.
 
2012-04-26 12:09:01 PM
CygnusDarius: Snarfangel: CygnusDarius: EdNortonsTwin: Let's just open the border, it's the unracist thing to do.

Heads would explode.

I would welcome the Great State of Annexico.

/Mexicans wouldn't have to cross over the border, the border would cross over them.

Or we could ditch this whole Canda, US, Mexico thing and just turn into a massive North American Country. The problem would lie on our different economies, (Mexico and the US would drag Canada to the ground).


Canadian food and Mexican hockey would improve dramatically!
 
2012-04-26 12:09:33 PM
FlashHarry: good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia.

What a "massive hit" looks like.

Alabama's immigration reform again cuts unemployment

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/20/alabamas-immigration-reform-again-c u ts-unemployment/
 
2012-04-26 12:10:35 PM
Snarfangel: Canadian food and Mexican hockey would improve dramatically!

We actually have hockey, but it's concrete hockey and no one cares, so I see your point.

/Also, we'd have New York Fries everywhere
 
2012-04-26 12:11:56 PM
Mitch Taylor's Bro:

Illegal immigrants of ALL nationalities are coming here for jobs.

I know! Let's cure the problem forever: let's get rid of all the jobs!
 
2012-04-26 12:13:02 PM
ICE's new website now has the ability to report illegal immigrant employers online.

They never use to have that. You use to have to call a toll free number. I reported a couple local scumbag employers myself.
 
2012-04-26 12:16:16 PM
ox45tallboy: Beemer_Vol: s2s2s2 Wait, you mean to tell me that a state law that mirrors a federal law might not be declared unconstitutional?

Actually, from what I've read up on it, AZ SB 1070 has a higher regard for human rights than the federal guidance.

Have you read up on the fact that it requires American Farking Citizens to carry proof of citizenship on their person at all times, and that the police have the authority to take you to the pokey if you can not or choose not to produce it on demand?


Just keep farking that chicken...

In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to disclose their identity to police when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place. As of 2008, 24 states had stop-and-identify laws. Regardless of your state's law, keep in mind that police can never compel you to identify yourself without reasonable suspicion to believe you're involved in criminal activity.

Do you see the bolded parts? Do you understand what those words mean?
 
2012-04-26 12:16:39 PM
TheEdibleSnuggie: We still need more Lemon party Pledge.

FTFY.
 
2012-04-26 12:17:04 PM
GT_bike: 1900 Enter at Ellis Island - give us your name, your sponsor's name and profession etc...

2012 - Farking free for all! You're racist if you don't support it! WOOOOO HOOOOOO!!


So much THIS - since that's what my family tree did, save for the ones that arrived before Ellis Island was a processing facility. All were sought for their work ethic; some came for the opportunity while others came to escape persecution.
 
2012-04-26 12:17:46 PM
 
2012-04-26 12:19:17 PM
ox45tallboy: Why not go after the business owner that hires the illegals instead of citizens?

Silly you, punishing job creators would be class warfare. Libtard.
 
2012-04-26 12:19:32 PM
Bob16: ICE's new website now has the ability to report illegal immigrant employers online.

They never use to have that. You use to have to call a toll free number. I reported a couple local scumbag employers myself.


While it's not as snappy as being able to say you have the reporting number on speed-dial, it's still good to have options.
 
2012-04-26 12:24:08 PM
The One True TheDavid: Mitch Taylor's Bro:

Illegal immigrants of ALL nationalities are coming here for jobs.

I know! Let's cure the problem forever: let's get rid of all the jobs!


Did that.
And got rid of all the money.

New News; illegal immigration has reversed according to recent survey.
 
2012-04-26 12:26:02 PM
Give immigrants legal status if they can prove they worked here for 10 years without getting in trouble.

Slow or stop legal immigration of rich people from places like India. We can make our own professionals, thank you very much.
 
2012-04-26 12:26:51 PM
Satanic_Hamster: You see, despite the fact that Obama has deported more illegals in three years then Clinton and Bush did in 16 and has prosecuted more companies for hiring illegals then the last five Presidents (numbers pulled out of my ass; I know he's done record numbers but can't remember the exact ratios, too lazy to google), this is just further proof that Obama is soft on immigration.

Oh, but you see, they made those numbers up! It's the only explanation, because we all know Barry Hussein O'Bummer wants to hand the country over to his fellow illegals and terrorists.
 
2012-04-26 12:27:37 PM
chooktah:


the average time it takes to do a background check in arizona is 11 minutes. this point/fact was brought up in the proceedings yesterday.


Suppose that 11 minutes means you miss the bus for an appointment to a job interview. And by the time you get there late one of the other hundreds of applicants has already cinched the job. And you and your three kids are facing eviction.

No, no inconvenience at all.
 
2012-04-26 12:35:30 PM
Flay illegal's skin.

Tan skin.

Paint skin to reflect country of origin.

Display skin on outside of wall facing encroaching hoards.

Repeat until no longer necessary.
 
2012-04-26 12:36:42 PM
The One True TheDavid: chooktah:


the average time it takes to do a background check in arizona is 11 minutes. this point/fact was brought up in the proceedings yesterday.

Suppose that 11 minutes means you miss the bus for an appointment to a job interview. And by the time you get there late one of the other hundreds of applicants has already cinched the job. And you and your three kids are facing eviction.

No, no inconvenience at all.


Another moran who can't understand the phrase "reasonable suspicion."

But now go ahead and dazzle us all with your exptensive insider knowledge of police procedure
 
2012-04-26 12:38:26 PM
give me doughnuts: ox45tallboy: Beemer_Vol: s2s2s2 Wait, you mean to tell me that a state law that mirrors a federal law might not be declared unconstitutional?

Actually, from what I've read up on it, AZ SB 1070 has a higher regard for human rights than the federal guidance.

Have you read up on the fact that it requires American Farking Citizens to carry proof of citizenship on their person at all times, and that the police have the authority to take you to the pokey if you can not or choose not to produce it on demand?

Just keep farking that chicken...

In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to disclose their identity to police when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place. As of 2008, 24 states had stop-and-identify laws. Regardless of your state's law, keep in mind that police can never compel you to identify yourself without reasonable suspicion to believe you're involved in criminal activity.

Do you see the bolded parts? Do you understand what those words mean?


It means that Arizona's law makes "looks foreign" reasonable suspicion to detain someone. That's why it is a terribly conceived law. It is not the same as only being detained if you were already being detained for something else.
 
2012-04-26 12:40:44 PM
interesting as always.

not one person has stated that this is profiling. Where is the outrage over this? Does the lack of outrage have anything to do with the idea that this action does not impact any of the righteous farkers?
 
2012-04-26 12:41:06 PM
ox45tallboy:
It is NOT your job to "enforce the law" on speeders, just like it is NOT the job of state and local police to "enforce the law" on those suspected of immigration law violation.


Wow, you should get to Washington quick - the Supreme Court is wasting their time trying to figure out what you seem to have already decided.
 
2012-04-26 12:42:57 PM
sethstorm: The One True TheDavid: Yikes. You mean I'll have to carry my birth certificate around? You know, because over the years I've personally met dozens of "illegal immigrants" who were from England, the Netherlands, Sweden, Germany -- several northern European Caucasians from several predominantly northern European Caucasian countries in northern Europe.

Well, the ones in my family tree (French, German and Hungarian) did it legally - with all the paperwork necessary at the time.


The ones in my family did it before the Colonies were "free." Then they moved west onto Indian land and participated in shoving them west, killing women and children to prove they meant business. Then the next generation moved further and shoved the natives over the mountains. Then the next generation moved over the mountains....

Note that one of the major causes of the War of Independence was that the British government tried to stop illegal immigration by white English-speakers onto Indian land. Look it up.

By the way, your ancestry is French, German and Hungarian? N00b. I'll bet my ancestors were here 200 years before yours, so I'm automagically more American. Nyaah nyaah. Ellis Island was a mistake: they should have insisted your people be rich or indentured, like they did mine.
 
2012-04-26 12:44:25 PM
The One True TheDavid: sethstorm: The One True TheDavid: Yikes. You mean I'll have to carry my birth certificate around? You know, because over the years I've personally met dozens of "illegal immigrants" who were from England, the Netherlands, Sweden, Germany -- several northern European Caucasians from several predominantly northern European Caucasian countries in northern Europe.

Well, the ones in my family tree (French, German and Hungarian) did it legally - with all the paperwork necessary at the time.

The ones in my family did it before the Colonies were "free." Then they moved west onto Indian land and participated in shoving them west, killing women and children to prove they meant business. Then the next generation moved further and shoved the natives over the mountains. Then the next generation moved over the mountains....

Note that one of the major causes of the War of Independence was that the British government tried to stop illegal immigration by white English-speakers onto Indian land. Look it up.

By the way, your ancestry is French, German and Hungarian? N00b. I'll bet my ancestors were here 200 years before yours, so I'm automagically more American. Nyaah nyaah. Ellis Island was a mistake: they should have insisted your people be rich or indentured, like they did mine.


Welcome the Ignore The Idiot list.
 
2012-04-26 12:44:52 PM
The One True TheDavid: sethstorm: The One True TheDavid: Yikes. You mean I'll have to carry my birth certificate around? You know, because over the years I've personally met dozens of "illegal immigrants" who were from England, the Netherlands, Sweden, Germany -- several northern European Caucasians from several predominantly northern European Caucasian countries in northern Europe.

Well, the ones in my family tree (French, German and Hungarian) did it legally - with all the paperwork necessary at the time.

The ones in my family did it before the Colonies were "free." Then they moved west onto Indian land and participated in shoving them west, killing women and children to prove they meant business. Then the next generation moved further and shoved the natives over the mountains. Then the next generation moved over the mountains....

Note that one of the major causes of the War of Independence was that the British government tried to stop illegal immigration by white English-speakers onto Indian land. Look it up.

By the way, your ancestry is French, German and Hungarian? N00b. I'll bet my ancestors were here 200 years before yours, so I'm automagically more American. Nyaah nyaah. Ellis Island was a mistake: they should have insisted your people be rich or indentured, like they did mine.


What happened to the American Indians is a good example of how the native government shouldn't craft immigration policy
 
2012-04-26 12:46:22 PM
trappedspirit: Number of racists in thread so far:
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*clicks profile*

rolls eyes
 
2012-04-26 12:47:24 PM
give me doughnuts:
Do you see the bolded parts? Do you understand what those words mean?


Oh sure.
Not being white.
Driving while not being white.
 
2012-04-26 12:53:06 PM
CygnusDarius: Snarfangel: CygnusDarius: EdNortonsTwin: Let's just open the border, it's the unracist thing to do.

Heads would explode.

I would welcome the Great State of Annexico.

/Mexicans wouldn't have to cross over the border, the border would cross over them.

Or we could ditch this whole Canda, US, Mexico thing and just turn into a massive North American Country. The problem would lie on our different economies, (Mexico and the US would drag Canada to the ground).


Tried it in the first half of the 19th century. Canada kicked our arse back across the river and we decided the bottom half of Mexico wasn't worth keeping.
 
2012-04-26 12:53:40 PM
give me doughnuts: Another moran who can't understand the phrase "reasonable suspicion."

I, for one, completely trust that the officers working under Sheriff Joe will in no way abuse this law.
 
2012-04-26 12:54:08 PM
The One True TheDavid: Note that one of the major causes of the War of Independence was that the British government tried to stop illegal immigration by white English-speakers onto Indian land. Look it up.

The Indians were wiped out because they had a wide-open immigration policy. Therefore we should have a wide-open immigration policy ourselves. Brilliant!
 
2012-04-26 12:57:59 PM
umad: The One True TheDavid: Note that one of the major causes of the War of Independence was that the British government tried to stop illegal immigration by white English-speakers onto Indian land. Look it up.

The Indians were wiped out because they had a wide-open immigration policy. Therefore we should have a wide-open immigration policy ourselves. Brilliant!


The native peoples were disenfranchised and nearly destroyed because they lacked the ability to stop such occurences.

Who cares?
 
2012-04-26 01:12:19 PM
Santa's Knee wrote back:

Welcome the Ignore The Idiot list.

Oh goody! Hey, Google my username: since 1994 I've thrived on being insulted, kill-filed, ignored or even threatened with bodily harm.

It's people lining up to blow me that I just can't stand. FYI.
 
2012-04-26 01:19:46 PM
FlashHarry: good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

So you support exploitation of an underclass in order to increase profits for land owners. Thought you were liberal.
 
2012-04-26 01:20:48 PM
vudukungfu: I'm not going to complain. I used to advocate that all the farking racists should move to their own farking state.
They pretty much did this with Colorado, Arizona, and Utah.
Now they want to act like racist asshats in thier own sand boxes.
Meh.
We'll take the Mexican up here in Vermont.
Lord knows, we can't get our own farking kids to pull the tit and shovel the shait.


When having nothing intelligent to offer, one can often disguise a lack of intelligence with cries of racism. Observe.
 
2012-04-26 01:30:19 PM
The problem with this law has nothing to do with illegal immigration. It has to do with becoming a police state. They can pull over anyone for made up reasons and throw them in jail for not having immigration papers, no matter if they are white and are 6th generation citizens.
 
2012-04-26 01:32:47 PM
armageddonbound: They can pull over anyone for made up reasons and throw them in jail for not having immigration papers, no matter if they are white and are 6th generation citizens.

Well if they are driving they should always have their license on them.
 
2012-04-26 01:40:56 PM
Caretaker: Would it be racist of the police in Japan to pull a white, American over for speeding/running a red light/ or stopped for committing a crime? Try claiming racism in that case and wait for the chorus of laughs at your ignorance.

I wasn't aware that Japan had become such a melting pot, thanks for letting me know. Here in the US, a third of the people are brown - have white people become such an ingrained, everyday part of society in Japan that they're a third of the population there? Also, I wasn't aware that southwestern Japan used to be part of the US, and that Japan started a war with us to take that land away from the people who lived there - again, it's good that you're here to teach us these important history lessons. Yeah, it's really quite the same thing, now that you've explained it that way...thanks!
 
2012-04-26 01:46:02 PM
armageddonbound: The problem with this law has nothing to do with illegal immigration. It has to do with becoming a police state. They can pull over anyone for made up reasons and throw them in jail for not having immigration papers, no matter if they are white and are 6th generation citizens.

that is not going to happen. As soon as they pull over a blue eyed blonde haired person, the people of the state will have a hissy fit. It is aimed at people of Hispanic descent and that is who it will be used against. You know, the people who actually lived there long before any gringo showed up.
 
2012-04-26 01:49:17 PM
snocone: The One True TheDavid: Mitch Taylor's Bro:

Illegal immigrants of ALL nationalities are coming here for jobs.

I know! Let's cure the problem forever: let's get rid of all the jobs!

Did that.
And got rid of all the money.

New News; illegal immigration has reversed according to recent survey.


This. I read in the last few days that since 2008, illegal immigration has slowed and we're now at a net zero immigration. People are leaving as fast as they're entering. Don't know if that's limited to the Southern border or all of the US. I'd Google it if I cared, but I don't. Bottom line is that our crappy economy has done more to curb illegal immigration than ICE, border fences and Arizona's controversial law. Doesn't mean I want the economy to keep sucking, though. I want a real, effective immigration solution in effect so that when the economy fully recovers, US citizens and legal immigrants can benefit.
 
2012-04-26 01:52:59 PM
RibbyK: FlashHarry: good. let red states kick out the "illegals" and watch their economies take a massive hit like they already are in alabama and georgia. the law of unintended consequences - it's more common than you'd think, especially when your laws are written by racist morons.

Citation needed


Here you go: Link

Even legal immigrants don't want to work in Alabama anymore because of this law.
 
2012-04-26 01:53:19 PM
chuckufarlie: that is not going to happen. As soon as they pull over a blue eyed blonde haired person, the people of the state will have a hissy fit. It is aimed at people of Hispanic descent and that is who it will be used against. You know, the people who actually lived there long before any gringo showed up.

It is aimed at illegal immigrants, are you claiming people of Hispanic descent in AZ don't carry driver's licenses while driving?
 
2012-04-26 01:56:49 PM
odinsposse: give me doughnuts: ox45tallboy: Beemer_Vol: s2s2s2 Wait, you mean to tell me that a state law that mirrors a federal law might not be declared unconstitutional?

Actually, from what I've read up on it, AZ SB 1070 has a higher regard for human rights than the federal guidance.

Have you read up on the fact that it requires American Farking Citizens to carry proof of citizenship on their person at all times, and that the police have the authority to take you to the pokey if you can not or choose not to produce it on demand?

Just keep farking that chicken...

In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to disclose their identity to police when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place. As of 2008, 24 states had stop-and-identify laws. Regardless of your state's law, keep in mind that police can never compel you to identify yourself without reasonable suspicion to believe you're involved in criminal activity.

Do you see the bolded parts? Do you understand what those words mean?

It means that Arizona's law makes "looks foreign" reasonable suspicion to detain someone. That's why it is a terribly conceived law. It is not the same as only being detained if you were already being detained for something else.


That makes two...


vudukungfu: give me doughnuts:
Do you see the bolded parts? Do you understand what those words mean?

Oh sure.
Not being white.
Driving while not being white.


aaaaaaand three!

NightOwl2255: give me doughnuts: Another moran who can't understand the phrase "reasonable suspicion."

I, for one, completely trust that the officers working under Sheriff Joe will in no way abuse this law.


Four? No, I have to agree with this one. Sheriff Joe would be a racist tyrant if he were just a school crossing guard.
 
2012-04-26 01:57:15 PM
pciszek: Citation needed

Here you go: Link



Wow, written a whole 1 week after the law took effect. Clearly established the long term consequences.
 
2012-04-26 02:01:40 PM
DrewCurtisJr: Well if they are driving they should always have their license on them.

In Arizona, a drivers license is not considered adequate proof of legal residency. (Apparently they are considered "too easy to get".) The typical US citizen does not carry on their person any documentation that would prove citizenship or legal residency under this law. Expect enforcement to be highly selective.
 
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