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2012-04-26 03:11:01 PM
7Th degree blackbelt expert?

Expert goes without saying when you're a 7th dan.
 
2012-04-26 03:26:41 PM
rosebud_the_sled
Oddly, for a country that does not have handguns or big boobs, they sure to show a lot of them in videos.

It's clear they don't have any big boobs around in real life, because they always draw them as perfectly spherical with the same radius as her head.
 
2012-04-26 03:36:45 PM
EbolaNYC: 7Th degree blackbelt expert?

Expert goes without saying when you're a 7th dan.


Yea but it is in a style his cousin created.
 
2012-04-26 03:37:52 PM
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Mija: Howie Spankowitz: Wow...see how easy it is to disarm someone who is holding a gun on you exactly the way you told them to?!

This guy's one of those itinerant preachers with a gimmick to appeal to "the kids" like those roided morons who used to rip phone books in half in between shouting "JESUS RULES!" and blaring Christian rock.

You sound like a happy, tolerant person.

No, seriously, it's really a thing. They're bodybuilders for Jesus.
/saw them in the late 80's
//it's lulzy


i remember seeing them advertised around here a few years ago. my question is still the same: how does that kind of thing in any way glorify jesus christ, or put into action his teachings?
 
2012-04-26 03:38:57 PM
Carth: EbolaNYC: 7Th degree blackbelt expert?

Expert goes without saying when you're a 7th dan.

Yea but it is in a style his cousin created.


sorry, not his cousin. His father created it.
 
2012-04-26 03:46:37 PM
h2oincfs: i remember seeing them advertised around here a few years ago. my question is still the same: how does that kind of thing in any way glorify jesus christ, or put into action his teachings?

mrskinprep.com

Read your Bible. When the Son of God gets righteously angry, he turns into a big green monster with a lightning hammer, ready to defend America. Also his blood is wine or something.

/or am I getting church confused with the Avengers again?
 
2012-04-26 03:48:36 PM
hogans: I'd be disarmed by his Marlon Brando impersonation.
Go ahead, watch it again. Now you can't unhear it!


You bastard!
 
2012-04-26 03:49:51 PM
dittybopper: Having said *THAT*, if you were, say, on a turntable that was spinning, you could, in theory, "arc" a bullet past an intervening obstruction. That's because the bullet is going to have, in addition to forward velocity, downward acceleration due to gravity, and rotation due to the rifling, tangential velocity relative to the circle the muzzle of the gun described while spinning on that turntable.

The mistake you're making is that the tangential velocity is actually tangential acceleration, which ends the moment the bullet is free of the barrel. There will be no lateral arcing whatsoever.
 
2012-04-26 03:51:57 PM
Just for giggles, here is a quick draw guy from Miami Vice.

Link
 
2012-04-26 04:01:52 PM
MooseUpNorth: The mistake you're making is that the tangential velocity is actually tangential acceleration, which ends the moment the bullet is free of the barrel. There will be no lateral arcing whatsoever.

Exactly, as demonstrated on MythBusters.
 
2012-04-26 04:08:40 PM
dittybopper: The lesson: If you are holding a gun on someone, don't let them get within contact distance. Shoot them before they get close enough to take the gun away from you.

No, the lesson is "don't bring a gun to a kickass-ninja-rex-kwon-do fight".
 
2012-04-26 04:13:43 PM
Carth: You know the same movie also has a loom that can apparently predict who needs to be killed to make the world a safer place. I don't think realism is exactly what they were going for.

To be fair, the ending hinges on the fact that the whole loom thing was bullshiat.
 
2012-04-26 04:47:48 PM
Deadwing: Just for giggles, here is a quick draw guy from Miami Vice.

Link


Yo homie. Is that my briefcase?
 
2012-04-26 05:30:59 PM
Mean man disarmed me :(
img.thesun.co.uk
 
2012-04-26 06:04:21 PM
As it so happens, I've had a (very) small amount of training in disarming from an Army Ranger. The technique he taught me was pretty simple, didn't rely on blazing speed, and was amazingly effective.
 
2012-04-26 06:13:29 PM
Fish in a Barrel: As it so happens, I've had a (very) small amount of training in disarming from an Army Ranger. The technique he taught me was pretty simple, didn't rely on blazing speed, and was amazingly effective.

Get shot, fall down, and wait for the shooter to put his gun away?

/works if you don't bleed too fast
 
2012-04-26 06:29:12 PM
If you can beat Sho Nuff and get the glow then you can catch the bullet between your teeth.
 
2012-04-26 06:43:52 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-26 06:45:52 PM
Fish in a Barrel: As it so happens, I've had a (very) small amount of training in disarming from an Army Ranger. The technique he taught me was pretty simple, didn't rely on blazing speed, and was amazingly effective.

Say "Nice hat" a heartbeat before your mercenary sharpshooter offs him from somewhere up-top the box canyon?

/ Look at meee, I'm on TVeee. You can't take this gun from meeeeee.
 
2012-04-26 06:50:22 PM
MooseUpNorth: Fish in a Barrel: As it so happens, I've had a (very) small amount of training in disarming from an Army Ranger. The technique he taught me was pretty simple, didn't rely on blazing speed, and was amazingly effective.

Say "Nice hat" a heartbeat before your mercenary sharpshooter offs him from somewhere up-top the box canyon?

/ Look at meee, I'm on TVeee. You can't take this gun from meeeeee.


Heh. Didn't she shoot you?
 
2012-04-26 06:52:14 PM
Ablejack: I can't think of anything to make this thread better than photo evidence of japanese handguns. Oh wait...

You know, there could be a handgun concealed in that shot.

/ Or the Yamato, for that matter.
 
2012-04-26 06:56:37 PM
Tony_Pepperoni: [i.imgur.com image 168x169]

Interesting to note that he pushed the arm away from him... and then swept the barrel back across his head.

He basically doubled the amount of time that the gun could kill him than if he simply pushed the arm away, turned his body into it and held-on, pulled, bit, and gouged for dear life.
 
2012-04-26 06:57:01 PM
Fish in a Barrel: MooseUpNorth: Fish in a Barrel: As it so happens, I've had a (very) small amount of training in disarming from an Army Ranger. The technique he taught me was pretty simple, didn't rely on blazing speed, and was amazingly effective.

Say "Nice hat" a heartbeat before your mercenary sharpshooter offs him from somewhere up-top the box canyon?

/ Look at meee, I'm on TVeee. You can't take this gun from meeeeee.

Heh. Didn't she shoot you?


Everyone's makin' a fuss!
 
2012-04-26 07:33:49 PM
That was terrible technique that would get him killed in a real situation.
 
2012-04-26 08:05:42 PM
Giltric: I love it when martial arts people tell you to "stand here and come at me like this"

but what if I did this instead............hey sensei, are you ok?

Can someone go to the Rite Aid next door and get some smelling salts and a cold compress.


1. They are attempting to demonstrate a specific technique. Whether it is the most badass jeet kun do or anything else, it starts with fundamentals and repetition of specific motions until you get them completely memorized such that they are second nature, and then building on those, using them from more and more angle, etc.

2. Yes, you're a badass and would knockout a well trained fighter by surprising him with your leet skills.
 
2012-04-26 08:09:06 PM
Oh, and to add to my above post: yes, holding a gun that close to someone is stupid. If you must be holding it one handed and that close, blade off FFS. Otherwise stay at 8 feet and hold the gun with both hands.
 
2012-04-26 08:10:26 PM
kim jong-un: Tony_Pepperoni: [i.imgur.com image 168x169]

Interesting to note that he pushed the arm away from him... and then swept the barrel back across his head.

He basically doubled the amount of time that the gun could kill him than if he simply pushed the arm away, turned his body into it and held-on, pulled, bit, and gouged for dear life.


That is almost word for word what I thought. Boomy-deathy-painy-bit away from head would be number one concern.

/Waaaaaait for the 'I trained Chuck Norris' people to chime in
 
2012-04-26 08:44:06 PM
Bondith: dittybopper
I haven't seen that particular film, but all bullets curve: That is a natural consequence of gravity, air resistance, and wind.

They curve down to the ground. They don't curve in a corkscrew to hit the side of beef behind Angelina Jolie.


I'd curve in a corkscrew to hit Angelina's side of beef, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.
 
2012-04-26 09:07:16 PM
Smackledorfer: Yes, you're a badass and would knockout a well trained fighter by surprising him with your leet skills.

I always thought I was a badass growing up I used to get into fights over the silliest things, I just liked to throw hands. Once my business expanded and I had the time and money to do the things I wanted to do I started taking a couple clases here and there, I got to meet and learn from alot of cool people...Jeff Cooper, Masood Ayoob, Renzo Gracie, Bob Bondurant.....

Some of us collect miniature Giraffes, others collect warfighting skills.
 
2012-04-26 09:15:48 PM
Giltric: Smackledorfer: Yes, you're a badass and would knockout a well trained fighter by surprising him with your leet skills.

I always thought I was a badass growing up I used to get into fights over the silliest things, I just liked to throw hands. Once my business expanded and I had the time and money to do the things I wanted to do I started taking a couple clases here and there, I got to meet and learn from alot of cool people...Jeff Cooper, Masood Ayoob, Renzo Gracie, Bob Bondurant.....

Some of us collect miniature Giraffes, others collect warfighting skills.


Bruce lee was my brother in law. I beat him once.
 
2012-04-26 09:43:44 PM
dittybopper: The lesson: If you are holding a gun on someone, don't let them get within contact distance. Shoot them before they get close enough to take the gun away from you.

This video was a stupid demonstration.

1) If someone gets close enough to you and you already have your gun out; then you should have shot already if you truly feared for your life.
2) If you withdrew your firearm after the person was already in that range, then you should have shot immediately.

If you allow someone to disarm you in this fashion then you have failed miserably, and should not have been carrying a firearm in the first place.
 
2012-04-26 09:59:28 PM
Deadwing: Just for giggles, here is a quick draw guy from Miami Vice.

Link


Heres a link to a real one. (0.02 seconds btw)

Link
 
2012-04-26 10:05:40 PM
I've never fired a gun in my life, but I'd be glad to test out his theory if he doesn't mind dying.
 
2012-04-26 10:14:33 PM
Giltric: I love it when martial arts people tell you to "stand here and come at me like this"

but what if I did this instead............hey sensei, are you ok?

Can someone go to the Rite Aid next door and get some smelling salts and a cold compress.


I know Victor Marx and he's really that good.

In a lot of demonstrations the reason it's important for the "attacker" to do a specific thing a specific way is for his or her protection, especially if you're going to perform a technique at full speed.

I've done some gun disarming demos and for the technique I like to do, it's critical for my demo partner to keep his or her finger out of the trigger guard, because IRL the technique wrenches the gun across the back of the attacker's hand, dislocates or breaks the finger and often fires the gun in the attacker's face.

That said, a big "no duh" to those pointing out this wouldn't work with a Weaver Stance or if the attacker was 10 feet away. It's a specific technique for a specific situation. It's a demo; it's supposed to showcase the technique.

But it does work just as fast as it looks in the video. Victor often tells the attacker to say "Bang" whenever he or she wants, then takes the gun away and pops the clip out before the attacker can say more than "B--..."
 
2012-04-26 10:20:17 PM
Sensei Can You See: this wouldn't work with a Weaver Stance or if the attacker was 10 feet away

Forgot to mention -- the way the attacker is holding the gun is the way people in Marx's target audience tends to use them. He speaks to a lot of troubled youth, gang members and especially kids in prison. They haven't had any professional training with guns, of course. So they would usually stick a gun right in someone's face or use that stupid sideways gangbanger grip. And he shows them that having a gun doesn't make you bad.

If someone pointed a gun at me from a Weaver stance and/or out of arm's reach, I'd have to do something different.

The other thing I forgot to mention is that the technique I use myself, mentioned earlier, is much easier than the one Victor shows here. It's relatively easy to take control of the weapon, but as I mention, my technique results in fairly serious injury to the attacker (not that I'd be worried about it IRL).

Victor's technique makes the gun pretty much disappear out of the attacker's hand and they don't feel a thing. That's exponentially more difficult.

Look around on YouTube if you're interested; he's also scary good with a katana and at a number of other cool things.
 
2012-04-26 10:25:02 PM
Carth: EbolaNYC: 7Th degree blackbelt expert?

Expert goes without saying when you're a 7th dan.

Yea but it is in a style his cousin created.


Actually it was his father. Cajun dude name Karl Marx, believe it or not.
 
2012-04-26 10:41:38 PM
thesloppy: They were called "THE POWER TEAM". Show some respect. Best high school assembly I ever went to.

We had a guy who played 3 games in the NFL, but he was huge. We got him because his family relocated to where I lived.

He bench pressed the biggest kid at our school, a big 300 pound lardass. To this day I've never seen anything more impressive. The dude got down on his back on the floor and had the fatso place a foot on each hand. Then he pressed him. No prep, no equipment, no warm-up, probably bad form, and just sprawled out on the floor.

He had our attention, that's for sure.
 
2012-04-26 10:43:47 PM
The best thing you can hope for if you ever get a guy pointing a gun at you is for him to stick it right in your face.

Surest sign of a TV badass, the easiest guys to fight.

/Move gun, punch idiot, take gun.
 
2012-04-26 10:52:34 PM
Lance Russell's Nose: thesloppy: They were called "THE POWER TEAM". Show some respect. Best high school assembly I ever went to.

We had a guy who played 3 games in the NFL, but he was huge. We got him because his family relocated to where I lived.

He bench pressed the biggest kid at our school, a big 300 pound lardass. To this day I've never seen anything more impressive. The dude got down on his back on the floor and had the fatso place a foot on each hand. Then he pressed him. No prep, no equipment, no warm-up, probably bad form, and just sprawled out on the floor.

He had our attention, that's for sure.


And that was how you came to know Jesus Christ as your personal savior.
 
2012-04-26 10:59:53 PM
Bondith: dittybopper
I haven't seen that particular film, but all bullets curve: That is a natural consequence of gravity, air resistance, and wind.

They curve down to the ground. They don't curve in a corkscrew to hit the side of beef behind Angelina Jolie.


google "Matt Hughes sniper"
 
2012-04-26 11:16:56 PM
Dropped Cajun Karate Keichu-do into Google, found precisely what I was expecting.
 
2012-04-26 11:18:54 PM
Flappyhead: Dropped Cajun Karate Keichu-do into Google, found precisely what I was expecting.

Search results? That's what I would expect.
 
2012-04-26 11:46:48 PM
Anyone can look good with a cooperating opponent. The whole point of Rorion Gracie starting the UFC is to show that Karate doesn't work against a RESISTING opponent, I don't care if you're a 124th degree black belt. And I don't care if you're faster than Floyd Mayweather, anyone can pull a trigger faster than you can take that gun away. The mix of religion and Karate always, and I mean ALWAYS, = bullshido aka some egotistical fraud.
 
2012-04-26 11:55:08 PM
dig420: And I don't care if you're faster than Floyd Mayweather, anyone can pull a trigger faster than you can take that gun away.

No, that's pure bullshiat. I've been the "attacker" in a demo like this. Even knowing it was coming I couldn't react fast enough. As they say, action beats reactions.

Actually, let me amend that. You might be able to get a shot off, but it's not going to connect.
 
2012-04-26 11:58:15 PM
Fish in a Barrel: dig420: And I don't care if you're faster than Floyd Mayweather, anyone can pull a trigger faster than you can take that gun away.

No, that's pure bullshiat. I've been the "attacker" in a demo like this. Even knowing it was coming I couldn't react fast enough. As they say, action beats reactions.

Actually, let me amend that. You might be able to get a shot off, but it's not going to connect.


yeah, a demo. Where he tells you where to stand and how to hold the gun etc, because like everything else in TKD or KF, if you don't cooperate to the nth degree the whole system is useless. That's why there are no 7th dan cajun karate masters in UFC and never will be. It's BS fed to the gullible to part them from their money. So congrats on that.
 
2012-04-27 12:13:10 AM
Sensei Can You See: Flappyhead: Dropped Cajun Karate Keichu-do into Google, found precisely what I was expecting.

Search results? That's what I would expect.


Oddly enough yes, and some interesting background on the founder of what was originally just karate, then karate and judo, then karate, juijitsu and boxing. Oh and did I mention the founder never actually studied karate, he just made his system up?
 
2012-04-27 12:13:42 AM
If you watch closely he slaps the barrel of the gun TOWARDS himself. He's putting a lot of faith in the guy not accidentally shooting because someone just slapped the shiat out of his arm... if the guy gets a shot off at any point it's going into his head.

Of course the whole exercise is stupid anyway, but if that gun were real/loaded he'd have been dead.
 
2012-04-27 12:19:02 AM
Giltric: Masood Ayoob

Perhaps you should just stick to the miniature giraffes.
 
2012-04-27 12:19:18 AM
I get amused by the number of "This style sucks, you don't see them winning UFC!" comments.

UFC is a sanctioned sporting event with striking rules.

You won't see attacks meant to maim, disable, or otherwise immediately stop attackers for extended durations.
 
2012-04-27 12:33:35 AM
dig420: Fish in a Barrel: dig420: And I don't care if you're faster than Floyd Mayweather, anyone can pull a trigger faster than you can take that gun away.

No, that's pure bullshiat. I've been the "attacker" in a demo like this. Even knowing it was coming I couldn't react fast enough. As they say, action beats reactions.

Actually, let me amend that. You might be able to get a shot off, but it's not going to connect.

yeah, a demo. Where he tells you where to stand and how to hold the gun etc, because like everything else in TKD or KF, if you don't cooperate to the nth degree the whole system is useless. That's why there are no 7th dan cajun karate masters in UFC and never will be. It's BS fed to the gullible to part them from their money. So congrats on that.


No, this wasn't part of some martial arts demo. The guy was "just" a Ranger. And he didn't tell me anything except not to put my finger inside the trigger guard. He took the gun from me a half dozen times from any position I cared try.

After just a half hour of training, I could almost always disarm an attacker in front of me. I was pretty bad if the attacker was at my back, though. I have no doubt that someone who regularly trains the skill could easily disarm anyone within arm-length. Quite frankly, it's shockingly effective.
 
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