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2012-04-26 12:01:41 PM  
Starting in 2010, JPMorgan gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in the group's history, the bank's website shows. The gift, valued at $4.6 million, included 1,000 patrol car laptops. "

I wonder how many reprehensible acts against protesters that will buy, atleast a few thousand.
 
2012-04-26 12:01:43 PM  

Jake Havechek: I used to work for Pinkerton.


So did I. Weird.
 
2012-04-26 12:01:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-26 12:02:24 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Jim_Callahan: Um, why? The Unions are still around and they were involved in most of the same shiat. Pinkerton is the same, I'd imagine, same general theme but reigned in by the real law.

Both sides are the bad so vote strikebreaking goons!


So do you also refer to the unions as "house-firebombing domestic terrorists" every time a union protest happens? You realize that the laws and the enforcement powers of the actual government have increased considerably since the gilded age and organizations have adapted, right?
 
2012-04-26 12:03:17 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Mentat: So the banks are openly bribing the police now? Lovely.

That is how the free market works. If you do not like banks bribing police departments, then start your own police department and make a bigger bribe. I am sick of liberals complaining that bribes are somehow unethical. I did not know gift-giving was unethical. No wonder liberals have started a war on Christmas. Lol.


The libs just want to have their cake and eat it too. They'd love to be able to bribe as well but it's hard to afford anything but government cheese if you don't want to give up the Mercedes your welfare check bought you.
 
2012-04-26 12:03:28 PM  

soup: Bhasayate: soup: [i.imgur.com image 220x215]

Best Weezer album. Blue was good, Pinkerton was a whole other level. Everything after sucked.

Pinkerton was more raw, but I just don't think the songs hold up as well. None of them really stick in my head when I'm done listening to it. The melodies and songs just aren't as memorable. The only song on Pinkerton that 'sticks' is Tired of Sex. Great song.

I actually like most of Weezer's albums. Even the new stuff. Sure, there are some crap songs (Beverly Hills is rubbish - I skip it every single time). But there is some good stuff, too. I like Trainwrecks (from Hurley).

I was so disappointed the first time I listed to the Green album. I was hoping they would stick with the raw, grungy feel of Pinkerton or maybe even evolve their sound even further. Instead they went right back to the poppy, catchy stuff that was in Blue. And that's OK, but it's just OK. Pinkerton took awhile to grow on me, but it's seriously one of my favorite albums of all time. I can listen to it, start to finish, pretty much anytime at all.


I guess classic Weezer, to me, is "Buddy Holly." But I sure dig the 2nd tune: "Goin' Surfing." I don't even surf. But that song has got energy. Great track.

Pinkerton was good, and I listen to it and enjoy it, but I don't dig it: it just didn't sound like Weezer to me. Perhaps I think other bands do what they were trying to do, and better.
 
2012-04-26 12:05:00 PM  

Jim_Callahan: The Unions are still around and they were involved in most of the same shiat. Pinkerton is the same, I'd imagine, same general theme but reigned in by the real law.


The things some people will say just to get a rise out of the crowd.
 
2012-04-26 12:06:52 PM  

palelizard: Mike_LowELL: Mentat: So the banks are openly bribing the police now? Lovely.

That is how the free market works. If you do not like banks bribing police departments, then start your own police department and make a bigger bribe. I am sick of liberals complaining that bribes are somehow unethical. I did not know gift-giving was unethical. No wonder liberals have started a war on Christmas. Lol.

The libs just want to have their cake and eat it too. They'd love to be able to bribe as well but it's hard to afford anything but government cheese if you don't want to give up the Mercedes your welfare check bought you.


2/10
 
2012-04-26 12:09:40 PM  

Mentat: Starting in 2010, JPMorgan gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in the group's history, the bank's website shows. The gift, valued at $4.6 million, included 1,000 patrol car laptops. "These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe," Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon, 56, said in a statement on the website.

So the banks are openly bribing the police now? Lovely.

www.theblaze.com
Works better than taking a dump on their cars.

/blazing
 
2012-04-26 12:09:40 PM  

Tellingthem: The Name: Tellingthem: Ahhh I wish i could be more upset about this...and then i read that the protestors want to shut down the Golden Gate Bridge...

"This plan has been developed with safety as a priority, keeping in mind that participants should be able to choose their own risk levels. From 7-10am there will be a rally at the bridge toll plaza, organized by the affected unions. There will also be non-violent civil disobedience at an undisclosed location. This location WILL result in the shutdown of the Golden Gate Bridge. If you would like to be involved in the civil disobedience please email occupythebridge[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]liamg[* image 7x13]com for more info.

And then I suddenly start losing interest and decided to just play some Weezer instead...

\I really like the Pinkerton album

Yeah, god forbid a protest against corporate oligarchy and complacency among the citizenry should step on anybody's toes. They really shouldn't even be having a protest, you know? I mean, they'll crowd up the sidewalks and inconvenience people trying to walk by! Fighting the system is one thing, but disrupting one very small part of the system for a few hours -well, that's just going too far.

No pointless protests that disrupts most of the regular peoples lives in that area bother me. Protesting is good. Trying to shut down a major bridge as a protest is bad. I'm all for closing the gap on income equality and class advancement. But i will not support these tactics that these protestors are using. Anyway back to Weezer...


and fark those guys for throwing tea into the harbor
 
2012-04-26 12:13:00 PM  

soy_bomb: Mentat: Starting in 2010, JPMorgan gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in the group's history, the bank's website shows. The gift, valued at $4.6 million, included 1,000 patrol car laptops. "These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe," Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon, 56, said in a statement on the website.

So the banks are openly bribing the police now? Lovely.

Works better than taking a dump on their cars.

/blazing


Dude, at least try to put the dookie on the front door.
 
2012-04-26 12:16:44 PM  

soy_bomb: Mentat: Starting in 2010, JPMorgan gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in the group's history, the bank's website shows. The gift, valued at $4.6 million, included 1,000 patrol car laptops. "These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe," Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon, 56, said in a statement on the website.

So the banks are openly bribing the police now? Lovely.
[www.theblaze.com image 620x357]
Works better than taking a dump on their cars.

/blazing


So... that guy got feces on the car (which comes off with a little hosework), and then spent the rest of the day walking around the protest without wiping his ass. Man, he sure showed those pigs.
 
2012-04-26 12:20:16 PM  

yert: Tellingthem: The Name: Tellingthem: Ahhh I wish i could be more upset about this...and then i read that the protestors want to shut down the Golden Gate Bridge...

"This plan has been developed with safety as a priority, keeping in mind that participants should be able to choose their own risk levels. From 7-10am there will be a rally at the bridge toll plaza, organized by the affected unions. There will also be non-violent civil disobedience at an undisclosed location. This location WILL result in the shutdown of the Golden Gate Bridge. If you would like to be involved in the civil disobedience please email occupythebridge[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]liamg[* image 7x13]com for more info.

And then I suddenly start losing interest and decided to just play some Weezer instead...

\I really like the Pinkerton album

Yeah, god forbid a protest against corporate oligarchy and complacency among the citizenry should step on anybody's toes. They really shouldn't even be having a protest, you know? I mean, they'll crowd up the sidewalks and inconvenience people trying to walk by! Fighting the system is one thing, but disrupting one very small part of the system for a few hours -well, that's just going too far.

No pointless protests that disrupts most of the regular peoples lives in that area bother me. Protesting is good. Trying to shut down a major bridge as a protest is bad. I'm all for closing the gap on income equality and class advancement. But i will not support these tactics that these protestors are using. Anyway back to Weezer...

and fark those guys for throwing tea into the harbor


If they were throwing tea off the bridge it would be more interesting at least.
 
2012-04-26 12:20:28 PM  

palelizard: soy_bomb: Mentat: Starting in 2010, JPMorgan gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in the group's history, the bank's website shows. The gift, valued at $4.6 million, included 1,000 patrol car laptops. "These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe," Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon, 56, said in a statement on the website.

So the banks are openly bribing the police now? Lovely.
[www.theblaze.com image 620x357]
Works better than taking a dump on their cars.

/blazing

So... that guy got feces on the car (which comes off with a little hosework), and then spent the rest of the day walking around the protest without wiping his ass. Man, he sure showed those pigs.


Maybe as the cop was washing it off some ricocheted and went into his mouth.
 
2012-04-26 12:23:34 PM  
See how scared the 1% are of OWS

Don't let up. You have the scumbags really frightened.
 
2012-04-26 12:28:59 PM  

Bob16: See how scared the 1% are of OWS

Don't let up. You have the scumbags really frightened.


Terrified even. OWS has them on the ropes. It's knockout time.
 
2012-04-26 12:34:57 PM  

Tellingthem: The Name: Tellingthem: Ahhh I wish i could be more upset about this...and then i read that the protestors want to shut down the Golden Gate Bridge...

"This plan has been developed with safety as a priority, keeping in mind that participants should be able to choose their own risk levels. From 7-10am there will be a rally at the bridge toll plaza, organized by the affected unions. There will also be non-violent civil disobedience at an undisclosed location. This location WILL result in the shutdown of the Golden Gate Bridge. If you would like to be involved in the civil disobedience please email occupythebridge[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]liamg[* image 7x13]com for more info.

And then I suddenly start losing interest and decided to just play some Weezer instead...

\I really like the Pinkerton album

Yeah, god forbid a protest against corporate oligarchy and complacency among the citizenry should step on anybody's toes. They really shouldn't even be having a protest, you know? I mean, they'll crowd up the sidewalks and inconvenience people trying to walk by! Fighting the system is one thing, but disrupting one very small part of the system for a few hours -well, that's just going too far.

No pointless protests that disrupts most of the regular peoples lives in that area bother me. Protesting is good. Trying to shut down a major bridge as a protest is bad. I'm all for closing the gap on income equality and class advancement. But i will not support these tactics that these protestors are using. Anyway back to Weezer...


Protests are good unless they become effective eh?
 
2012-04-26 12:37:40 PM  

Bhasayate: It's knockout time.


Well I'm not expecting a knockout if you mean a complete defeat of them over a very short period of time. If you look at social change in a non-revolutionary setting it has a tendency to be on a slower scale and requires a long term commitment like during the 60's and 70's anti war protests.

The rotten economy is not going away however and that will probably keep people motivated to accomplish the goal.
 
2012-04-26 12:40:12 PM  

Tellingthem: No pointless protests that disrupts most of the regular peoples lives in that area bother me. Protesting is good. Trying to shut down a major bridge as a protest is bad. I'm all for closing the gap on income equality and class advancement. But i will not support these tactics that these protestors are using. Anyway back to Weezer...


Of course they shut stuff down. That's the POINT. Otherwise, as you yourself admit, people are just going to walk on by and they're not going to get heard.

Basically what you've said is, if they don't block the bridge, people wll walk by and not care, and if they do block the bridge, they lose moral high ground and people won't care. You've made things so no matter what, you won't care.
 
2012-04-26 12:43:12 PM  

Rozotorical: Tellingthem: The Name: Tellingthem: Ahhh I wish i could be more upset about this...and then i read that the protestors want to shut down the Golden Gate Bridge...

"This plan has been developed with safety as a priority, keeping in mind that participants should be able to choose their own risk levels. From 7-10am there will be a rally at the bridge toll plaza, organized by the affected unions. There will also be non-violent civil disobedience at an undisclosed location. This location WILL result in the shutdown of the Golden Gate Bridge. If you would like to be involved in the civil disobedience please email occupythebridge[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]liamg[* image 7x13]com for more info.

And then I suddenly start losing interest and decided to just play some Weezer instead...

\I really like the Pinkerton album

Yeah, god forbid a protest against corporate oligarchy and complacency among the citizenry should step on anybody's toes. They really shouldn't even be having a protest, you know? I mean, they'll crowd up the sidewalks and inconvenience people trying to walk by! Fighting the system is one thing, but disrupting one very small part of the system for a few hours -well, that's just going too far.

No pointless protests that disrupts most of the regular peoples lives in that area bother me. Protesting is good. Trying to shut down a major bridge as a protest is bad. I'm all for closing the gap on income equality and class advancement. But i will not support these tactics that these protestors are using. Anyway back to Weezer...

Protests are good unless they become effective eh?


No protests are good unless they are counterproductive and hurt your supposed cause. But whatever, protest how you want. Occupy anything and everything. And see how much good it does you, see how much it changes anything. You can only raise so much awareness before the public gets bored (ie Kony 2012) But hey Worldwide Revolution!

\you know I think i going to do a Weezer marathon today
 
2012-04-26 12:45:40 PM  

Mentat: Starting in 2010, JPMorgan gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in the group's history, the bank's website shows. The gift, valued at $4.6 million, included 1,000 patrol car laptops. "These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe," Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon, 56, said in a statement on the website.

So the banks are openly bribing the police now? Lovely.


And by "us" he means "not you".
 
2012-04-26 12:46:44 PM  
I hope the police are even more brutal and this time, and maybe kill a few people so the hippies will learn that you can't change the system with marches and drum circles, it can only be changed with violent revolution.
 
2012-04-26 12:48:06 PM  

Tellingthem: No protests are good unless they are counterproductive and hurt your supposed cause. But whatever, protest how you want.


How would you suggest they protest? Something tells me you'd like them somewhere you're not.

Maybe they should go protest a Weezer concert.
 
2012-04-26 12:48:10 PM  
fta: Banks cooperating on surveillance are like elk fending off wolves in Yellowstone National Park, he said. While other animals try in vain to sprint away alone, elk survive attacks by forming a ring together, he said.

I feel so sorry for these poor, innocent banks subjected to being treated like prey. It's horrible.

Meanwhile ....

fta: Starting in 2010, JPMorgan gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in the group's history, the bank's website shows. The gift, valued at $4.6 million,

The Occupy movement is a threat. They are going to destroy America.

Seriously, why is it even legal for a private business to make a "donation" to a police force? Someone should be sitting in prison at this very moment for that "donation".
 
2012-04-26 12:48:18 PM  

Gosling: Tellingthem: No pointless protests that disrupts most of the regular peoples lives in that area bother me. Protesting is good. Trying to shut down a major bridge as a protest is bad. I'm all for closing the gap on income equality and class advancement. But i will not support these tactics that these protestors are using. Anyway back to Weezer...

Of course they shut stuff down. That's the POINT. Otherwise, as you yourself admit, people are just going to walk on by and they're not going to get heard.

Basically what you've said is, if they don't block the bridge, people wll walk by and not care, and if they do block the bridge, they lose moral high ground and people won't care. You've made things so no matter what, you won't care.


No people get pissed off. Shutting down a major bridge in San Francisco that would snarl traffic for hours is a good way to get people to hate your cause. Think about Critical Mass. How many people did they anger and piss off by doing what they do. They got their voice out but it did it actually help the cause or hurt it more?
 
2012-04-26 12:49:42 PM  

Tellingthem: No people get pissed off. Shutting down a major bridge in San Francisco that would snarl traffic for hours is a good way to get people to hate your cause. Think about Critical Mass. How many people did they anger and piss off by doing what they do. They got their voice out but it did it actually help the cause or hurt it more?


You didn't actually address what he said.
 
2012-04-26 12:52:50 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Pinkerton never went away; Lincoln brought him to DC back in 1861, and his position is what eventually morphed into the Secret Service. There's always been a market for that type of thing.


Uh, their history continued LONG after that. You should probably read this: Homestead Strike
 
2012-04-26 12:54:34 PM  

Gosling: Tellingthem: No protests are good unless they are counterproductive and hurt your supposed cause. But whatever, protest how you want.

How would you suggest they protest? Something tells me you'd like them somewhere you're not.

Maybe they should go protest a Weezer concert.


No protest away. Protests in front of buildings and parks. Hold rallies and fundraisers. I'm not against protesting. It may be hard to believe but I have participated in protests before. But shutting down a bridge and disrupting the lives of regular people I am against.
 
2012-04-26 12:55:30 PM  

The Name: Tellingthem: Ahhh I wish i could be more upset about this...and then i read that the protestors want to shut down the Golden Gate Bridge...

"This plan has been developed with safety as a priority, keeping in mind that participants should be able to choose their own risk levels. From 7-10am there will be a rally at the bridge toll plaza, organized by the affected unions. There will also be non-violent civil disobedience at an undisclosed location. This location WILL result in the shutdown of the Golden Gate Bridge. If you would like to be involved in the civil disobedience please email occupythebridge[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]liamg[* image 7x13]com for more info.

And then I suddenly start losing interest and decided to just play some Weezer instead...

\I really like the Pinkerton album

Yeah, god forbid a protest against corporate oligarchy and complacency among the citizenry should step on anybody's toes. They really shouldn't even be having a protest, you know? I mean, they'll crowd up the sidewalks and inconvenience people trying to walk by! Fighting the system is one thing, but disrupting one very small part of the system for a few hours -well, that's just going too far.


Yes, I'm fine with people exercising their rights to free speech as long as it doesn't start to look or act like a protest or demonstration. When it goes there, the people have gone too far.
 
2012-04-26 12:56:24 PM  

Rozotorical: Tellingthem: The Name: Tellingthem: Ahhh I wish i could be more upset about this...and then i read that the protestors want to shut down the Golden Gate Bridge...

"This plan has been developed with safety as a priority, keeping in mind that participants should be able to choose their own risk levels. From 7-10am there will be a rally at the bridge toll plaza, organized by the affected unions. There will also be non-violent civil disobedience at an undisclosed location. This location WILL result in the shutdown of the Golden Gate Bridge. If you would like to be involved in the civil disobedience please email occupythebridge[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]liamg[* image 7x13]com for more info.

And then I suddenly start losing interest and decided to just play some Weezer instead...

\I really like the Pinkerton album

Yeah, god forbid a protest against corporate oligarchy and complacency among the citizenry should step on anybody's toes. They really shouldn't even be having a protest, you know? I mean, they'll crowd up the sidewalks and inconvenience people trying to walk by! Fighting the system is one thing, but disrupting one very small part of the system for a few hours -well, that's just going too far.

No pointless protests that disrupts most of the regular peoples lives in that area bother me. Protesting is good. Trying to shut down a major bridge as a protest is bad. I'm all for closing the gap on income equality and class advancement. But i will not support these tactics that these protestors are using. Anyway back to Weezer...

Protests are good unless they become effective eh?


But I need to get to one of my three less-than-minimum-wage-when-you-add-up-the-unpaid-overtime jobs!
 
2012-04-26 01:01:07 PM  

ChemicalRummy: I hope the police are even more brutal and this time, and maybe kill a few people so the hippies will learn that you can't change the system with marches and drum circles, it can only be changed with violent revolution.


We're right behind you. You charge in there. Atta boy.
 
2012-04-26 01:02:15 PM  
Why Bother?
 
2012-04-26 01:02:46 PM  

Lunaville: Yes, I'm fine with people exercising their rights to free speech as long as it doesn't start to look or act like a protest or demonstration. When it goes there, the people have gone too far.


I love the part where Occupiers got ridiculed for getting arrested when the police shut down their protest sites. 'Well, you sohuldn't have broken the law, asshole!,' they got told. It's like, what do you think Rosa Parks and the diner sit-ins were doing?

I mean, I've got my beefs with the Occupiers, but they're mainly related to the next step- that being, they are adamantly opposed to running candidates for office, and actively drive away any show of support from the Democrats on fear of being "co-opted", and just generally don't know what the fark they're doing as far as actually making it so that they get their way in a fashion other than 'everyone in the world wakes up one day and just realizes that we're right'. The act of protesting itself, I have had no beef with them other than the jackasses in Oakland.
 
2012-04-26 01:03:40 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Pinkerton never went away; Lincoln brought him to DC back in 1861, and his position is what eventually morphed into the Secret Service. There's always been a market for that type of thing.

Uh, their history continued LONG after that. You should probably read this: Homestead Strike


Never said it ended, yo. Just that it's been around that long.
 
2012-04-26 01:06:30 PM  

ChemicalRummy: I hope the police are even more brutal and this time, and maybe kill a few people so the hippies will learn that you can't change the system with marches and drum circles, it can only be changed with violent revolution.


Thank you, VI Lenin. Ghandi would like to offer a well-reasoned response to your post, but it's going to have to wait until he stops laughing at you.
 
2012-04-26 01:06:35 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Tellingthem: No people get pissed off. Shutting down a major bridge in San Francisco that would snarl traffic for hours is a good way to get people to hate your cause. Think about Critical Mass. How many people did they anger and piss off by doing what they do. They got their voice out but it did it actually help the cause or hurt it more?

You didn't actually address what he said.


I'll try that again:


Of course they shut stuff down. That's the POINT. Otherwise, as you yourself admit, people are just going to walk on by and they're not going to get heard.

You do not need to shut things down to get your messgae heard. Millions of people watched that Kony 2012 video and they didn't shut down anything.


Basically what you've said is, if they don't block the bridge, people wll walk by and not care, and if they do block the bridge, they lose moral high ground and people won't care. You've made things so no matter what, you won't care.

No, There are many ways of protesting that get your voice out without simply shutting down a bridge. You can protest in front of buildings and parks, hold rallies and fundraisers, you can do many things that do not involve shutting down a bridge. that will get your message heard without shutting down a bridge.
 
2012-04-26 01:07:26 PM  

Tellingthem: Ahhh I wish i could be more upset about this...and then i read that the protestors want to shut down the Golden Gate Bridge...

"This plan has been developed with safety as a priority, keeping in mind that participants should be able to choose their own risk levels. From 7-10am there will be a rally at the bridge toll plaza, organized by the affected unions. There will also be non-violent civil disobedience at an undisclosed location. This location WILL result in the shutdown of the Golden Gate Bridge. If you would like to be involved in the civil disobedience please email oc­cu­p­yt­heb­rid­ge[nospam-﹫-backwards]l­iam­g*c­om for more info.

And then I suddenly start losing interest and decided to just play some Weezer instead...

\I really like the Pinkerton album


They're going to shut down the Golden Gate from Manhattan?
 
2012-04-26 01:07:29 PM  
Debtor's prison, too.
 
2012-04-26 01:08:54 PM  

Tellingthem:
No, There are many ways of protesting that get your voice out without simply shutting down a bridge. You can protest in front of buildings and parks, hold rallies and fundraisers, you can do many things that do not involve shutting down a bridge. that will get your message heard without shutting down a bridge.


But if they don't shut down a bridge, what will Tampa Rays fans use as their go-to attendance excuse?
 
2012-04-26 01:10:48 PM  

LucklessWonder: Tellingthem:
No, There are many ways of protesting that get your voice out without simply shutting down a bridge. You can protest in front of buildings and parks, hold rallies and fundraisers, you can do many things that do not involve shutting down a bridge. that will get your message heard without shutting down a bridge.

But if they don't shut down a bridge, what will Tampa Rays fans use as their go-to attendance excuse?


Heh...
 
2012-04-26 01:14:56 PM  

LucklessWonder: Tellingthem:
No, There are many ways of protesting that get your voice out without simply shutting down a bridge. You can protest in front of buildings and parks, hold rallies and fundraisers, you can do many things that do not involve shutting down a bridge. that will get your message heard without shutting down a bridge.

But if they don't shut down a bridge, what will Tampa Rays fans use as their go-to attendance excuse?


Okay, I didn't see that one coming. Nicely played.
 
2012-04-26 01:27:39 PM  

Jim_Callahan: So do you also refer to the unions as "house-firebombing domestic terrorists" every time a union protest happens? You realize that the laws and the enforcement powers of the actual government have increased considerably since the gilded age and organizations have adapted, right?


Yep as the article shows, the banks have adapted by not only having their private thugs, but by buying off the Police and contributing to the massive amount of video surveillance available to them as well.

But it's the unions and protestors that you really should fear, right?
 
2012-04-26 01:29:10 PM  

Funbags: [Carl Pilkington]


What you did there. I see it.
 
2012-04-26 01:40:24 PM  

Gosling: I mean, I've got my beefs with the Occupiers, but they're mainly related to the next step- that being, they are adamantly opposed to running candidates for office, and actively drive away any show of support from the Democrats on fear of being "co-opted", and just generally don't know what the fark they're doing as far as actually making it so that they get their way in a fashion other than 'everyone in the world wakes up one day and just realizes that we're right'. The act of protesting itself, I have had no beef with them other than the jackasses in Oakland.


Give 'em time. In a couple years some of them will let themselves be co-opted in order to get things done and incremental changes will start to happen.
 
2012-04-26 01:42:30 PM  

Gosling: LucklessWonder: Tellingthem:
No, There are many ways of protesting that get your voice out without simply shutting down a bridge. You can protest in front of buildings and parks, hold rallies and fundraisers, you can do many things that do not involve shutting down a bridge. that will get your message heard without shutting down a bridge.

But if they don't shut down a bridge, what will Tampa Rays fans use as their go-to attendance excuse?

Okay, I didn't see that one coming. Nicely played.


Thank you.
 
2012-04-26 01:45:56 PM  

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2012-04-26 01:53:17 PM  

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Best Weezer album. Blue was good, Pinkerton was a whole other level. Everything after sucked.

Pinkerton was more raw, but I just don't think the songs hold up as well. None of them really stick in my head when I'm done listening to it. The melodies and songs just aren't as memorable. The only song on Pinkerton that 'sticks' is Tired of Sex. Great song.

I actually like most of Weezer's albums. Even the new stuff. Sure, there are some crap songs (Beverly Hills is rubbish - I skip it every single time). But there is some good stuff, too. I like Trainwrecks (from Hurley).

I was so disappointed the first time I listed to the Green album. I was hoping they would stick with the raw, grungy feel of Pinkerton or maybe even evolve their sound even further. Instead they went right back to the poppy, catchy stuff that was in Blue. And that's OK, but it's just OK. Pinkerton took awhile to grow on me, but it's seriously one of my favorite albums of all time. I can listen to it, start to finish, pretty much anytime at all.


What pissed me off so much about the green album is that every guitar solo simply copied the vocal melody over the "verse" chords. Every. Farking. Song.
Why would Rivers do that? He can shred. How rushed could the album really have been? It was
 
2012-04-26 02:07:18 PM  
Man, they are really going all out with the guerrilla marketing for Bioshock Infinite
 
2012-04-26 02:07:30 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Jim_Callahan: So do you also refer to the unions as "house-firebombing domestic terrorists" every time a union protest happens? You realize that the laws and the enforcement powers of the actual government have increased considerably since the gilded age and organizations have adapted, right?

Yep as the article shows, the banks have adapted by not only having their private thugs, but by buying off the Police and contributing to the massive amount of video surveillance available to them as well.

But it's the unions and protestors that you really should fear, right?


People seem to be interpreting my argument here as "both sides are bad", but what I'm really intending is more "neither side is bad". There's nothing inherently wrong with protesting things and there's nothing inherently wrong with securing your property against bad apples within a protest movement that might do something destructive.

I'm also objecting to the idea that because the Pinkerton corp. was engaged in unethical behavior 100 years ago that means that they're engaged in unethical behavior now. I'm sorry my specific example happened to be y'all's hot button, but the union firebombings were probably the most relevant since they're from the same period and the same conflict that gave the Pinkertons their rep. Literally no one involved in either set of offenses is even alive today and the organizations have been pretty thoroughly brought into line, so pretending it's still the lawless gilded age for either group is stupid.
 
2012-04-26 02:10:04 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Philip Francis Queeg: Jim_Callahan: So do you also refer to the unions as "house-firebombing domestic terrorists" every time a union protest happens? You realize that the laws and the enforcement powers of the actual government have increased considerably since the gilded age and organizations have adapted, right?

Yep as the article shows, the banks have adapted by not only having their private thugs, but by buying off the Police and contributing to the massive amount of video surveillance available to them as well.

But it's the unions and protestors that you really should fear, right?

People seem to be interpreting my argument here as "both sides are bad", but what I'm really intending is more "neither side is bad". There's nothing inherently wrong with protesting things and there's nothing inherently wrong with securing your property against bad apples within a protest movement that might do something destructive.

I'm also objecting to the idea that because the Pinkerton corp. was engaged in unethical behavior 100 years ago that means that they're engaged in unethical behavior now. I'm sorry my specific example happened to be y'all's hot button, but the union firebombings were probably the most relevant since they're from the same period and the same conflict that gave the Pinkertons their rep. Literally no one involved in either set of offenses is even alive today and the organizations have been pretty thoroughly brought into line, so pretending it's still the lawless gilded age for either group is stupid.


So you have no problem with the banks being able to call on the Police for a "show of force" at their facilities on a whim? You have no problem with the Police and the banks sharing closed camera footage to spy on individuals engaged in legal activities?
 
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