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(Crain's Detroit)   Detroit fire department to close budget gap by letting vacant buildings burn to the ground. This is bad news for Lions fans   (crainsdetroit.com) divider line 22
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2012-04-26 06:22:20 AM
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2012-04-26 09:12:46 AM
Detroit fire department to close budget gap by letting vacant buildings burn to the ground. This is bad news for Lions Pistons fans

FTFY.
(Lions made playoffs last year, subby. Ford Field was jam-packed last season with DOZENS of people.)
 
2012-04-26 09:17:26 AM
Subby must be a jealous Vikings fan.
 
2012-04-26 09:34:16 AM
Ripping on the Lions is so 3 years ago. Time to pick on a new team subby.
 
2012-04-26 09:37:50 AM
Shouldn't this be in the sports tab?


On a more serious note: I can see allowing the buildings to burn down being a good idea. No one is maintaining these buildings, and they attract vermin, crime and the issues that come with them.

Detroit has a lot of problems and I don't think having the fire department trying to save buildings that are not being maintained should be a priority.

/I mean one of the other proposals in the article involves being in the Navy SeeBees to demolish 10,000 abandoned structures.
 
2012-04-26 09:39:20 AM
This makes sense. Why would you want to save something that's a blight and an eyseore on the city? I don't live there, however I have lived in places in the past that have areas of town with run-down and abandoned buildings. Those cities would be better served if the buildings just disappeared. Why wouldn't Detroit be the same?
 
2012-04-26 09:52:07 AM
According to ESPN, Lions games were 98.8% full last year, which isn't too surprising considering that they're one of the better teams in the league and have one of the most dynamic QB/WR combos in the league.
 
2012-04-26 10:31:21 AM

meanmutton: According to ESPN, Lions games were 98.8% full last year, which isn't too surprising considering that they're one of the better teams in the league and have one of the most dynamic QB/WR combos in the league.


Pfft. Call me when you sell out every game for over half a century.
 
2012-04-26 10:31:58 AM
I am not going to argue that they should waste resources on vacant buildings, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is an increase in bodies found in these empty buildings.
 
2012-04-26 11:50:32 AM

meanmutton: According to ESPN, Lions games were 98.8% full last year, which isn't too surprising considering that they're one of the better teams in the league and have one of the most dynamic QB/WR combos in the league.


Still, it's the f*cking Lions.

Sell out games for a few decades straight, then brag.
 
2012-04-26 12:47:13 PM

Marley'sGirl: I am not going to argue that they should waste resources on vacant buildings, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is an increase in bodies found in these empty buildings.


Snoop? Is that you?
 
2012-04-26 02:10:51 PM
Detroit is an odd place, and the Detroit Fire Department is as exceptional as the rest of the city. They're a very aggressive fire department, and they're very good at it.

As far as the merits of the policy go, there are some down sides. In tight, urban environments, letting a house burn to the ground can lead to a block burning. The burning house may be vacant, but the one next door or three doors down may not be. And "vacant" as far as the bank or the city is concerned does not mean that squatters don't live there. Empty houses with utilities turned off have a hard time burning without human intervention.

On the other hand, it's hard to justify firemen dying (pops) over a vacant house.

Link to a trailer for a documentary on the Detroit Fire Department. Another link to another teaser.

I work for a gritty, aggressive, busy fire department, but those guys in Detroit make my job look like a walk in the park.
 
2012-04-26 03:18:34 PM
Put out bids to salvage companies to have at it. Some of the older houses have interesting architectural components that can be salvaged. Even old wood can be reused. There's an abandoned house in my nabe that has 24 foot long beams in the subfloor. You can't get 24 foot long beams any more.

Just letting them burn is a bad idea. Old houses are full of lead, asbestos, and who knows what else.
 
2012-04-26 03:26:05 PM

ArkAngel: meanmutton: According to ESPN, Lions games were 98.8% full last year, which isn't too surprising considering that they're one of the better teams in the league and have one of the most dynamic QB/WR combos in the league.

Pfft. Call me when you sell out every game for over half a century.


My point was that they're not exactly the poster child of poor attendance. We're not talking Jacksonville or something.
 
2012-04-26 03:26:48 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: meanmutton: According to ESPN, Lions games were 98.8% full last year, which isn't too surprising considering that they're one of the better teams in the league and have one of the most dynamic QB/WR combos in the league.

Still, it's the f*cking Lions.

Sell out games for a few decades straight, then brag.


When did rebutting a false point become bragging?
 
2012-04-26 03:45:35 PM

Elfich: Shouldn't this be in the sports tab?


On a more serious note: I can see allowing the buildings to burn down being a good idea. No one is maintaining these buildings, and they attract vermin, crime and the issues that come with them.

Detroit has a lot of problems and I don't think having the fire department trying to save buildings that are not being maintained should be a priority.

/I mean one of the other proposals in the article involves being in the Navy SeeBees to demolish 10,000 abandoned structures.


If they're going to expose those sailors to that level of danger then they better park a carrier air wing offshore and fly combat air patrol 24/7.
 
2012-04-26 04:24:57 PM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Elfich: Shouldn't this be in the sports tab?


On a more serious note: I can see allowing the buildings to burn down being a good idea. No one is maintaining these buildings, and they attract vermin, crime and the issues that come with them.

Detroit has a lot of problems and I don't think having the fire department trying to save buildings that are not being maintained should be a priority.

/I mean one of the other proposals in the article involves being in the Navy SeeBees to demolish 10,000 abandoned structures.

If they're going to expose those sailors to that level of danger then they better park a carrier air wing offshore and fly combat air patrol 24/7.


I think they would probably prefer Amphibious Assault Vessel. That way, if the natives hit back, they can:

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/figuring your average street gang's AA is pretty mediocre
 
2012-04-26 04:25:10 PM

Marley'sGirl: I am not going to argue that they should waste resources on vacant buildings, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is an increase in bodies found in these empty buildings.


After they burn down, I don't think you would be finding any bodies...
 
2012-04-26 04:41:57 PM
Solution - do control burns, you wipe out vacant buildings after checking for bodies, reduce the amount of burnable buildings in the area and you even get to use it as training time.
 
2012-04-26 07:39:59 PM

meanmutton: ArkAngel: meanmutton: According to ESPN, Lions games were 98.8% full last year, which isn't too surprising considering that they're one of the better teams in the league and have one of the most dynamic QB/WR combos in the league.

Pfft. Call me when you sell out every game for over half a century.

My point was that they're not exactly the poster child of poor attendance. We're not talking Jacksonville or something.


Last year, maybe. They had a third of their games blacked out in 2008
 
2012-04-26 10:25:22 PM

lizyrd: Detroit is an odd place, and the Detroit Fire Department is as exceptional as the rest of the city. They're a very aggressive fire department, and they're very good at it.

As far as the merits of the policy go, there are some down sides. In tight, urban environments, letting a house burn to the ground can lead to a block burning. The burning house may be vacant, but the one next door or three doors down may not be. And "vacant" as far as the bank or the city is concerned does not mean that squatters don't live there. Empty houses with utilities turned off have a hard time burning without human intervention.

On the other hand, it's hard to justify firemen dying (pops) over a vacant house.

Link to a trailer for a documentary on the Detroit Fire Department. Another link to another teaser.

I work for a gritty, aggressive, busy fire department, but those guys in Detroit make my job look like a walk in the park.


Detroit does have a huge squatting population, but fires in vacant buildings are more then likely just one of the many serial arsonist they are having issues with right now.
 
2012-04-27 09:17:36 AM

Jodeo: Detroit fire department to close budget gap by letting vacant buildings burn to the ground. This is bad news for Lions Pistons fans

FTFY.
(Lions made playoffs last year, subby. Ford Field was jam-packed last season with DOZENS of people.)


The Pistons play in Auburn Hills, so not really fixed.
 
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