Crunch61: Now with 50% fewer hillbillies!

That mountain or this thread?

HeadLever: Philip Francis Queeg: Thank God we were saved from the tyranny of not having toxic waste dumped in streams.

Again, there is no indication that this was an issue at all. Nice try at a deflection, though.

That's what the entire case was about; an issued permit to dump waste in streams.

Fart_Machine: Yet nobody can seem to identify what these "job killing regulations" are.

You know. Socialism and stuff.

Shaggy_C: compete with Chinese-made mass produced goods.

That's only a worry if said goods are sold for less. However, if you haven't noticed companies haven't exactly been cutting prices as they've moved to using cheaper labor. Also when you have a company like Samsung, that makes its phones in Korea, hardly a place filled with dirt cheap labor, and that makes chips in America and Korea, and it's doing just fine, the argument works even less well.

Jake Havechek: and what was the percentage increase in the use of "Hope and Change" during that same period?

About the same as Sarah Palin saying "common-sense conservative solutions" yet never being asked to clarify or elaborate on what these "common-sense conservative solutions" actually are.

That is exactly my point (but I don't think that was reported nearly as much as hope and change)

CSCS, Hope and Change, Compassionate Conservative, Job Killing Regulations, pay fair share, etc are all just part of political positioning.

odd that people get so caught up now that job killing regulations is becoming commonly used and reported.

why are people defending job killing regulations?
do they actually think that it means that people want every single regulation gone? Really??

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Not that he has done anything to curb it but over-regulation didn't start with Obama.


I love that the EPA was founded in 1970 and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to affect the trajectory of the graph.

It's almost as if regulation to minimize externalities have a minimal impact on the economy while vastly improving quality of life.

tenpoundsofcheese: why are people defending job killing regulations?

So far no one has pointed out a single such regulation.

It is still much more accurate than the phrase "budget cut" or the term "budget slashed" when referring to government agencies and departments that actually just didn't get as much as the budget increase they demanded.

This type of language abuse makes a slight increase in an annual budget sound like the gutting of the program.

Jake Havechek: I know it is fark, and that is what one should expect here.

No, it's because you and your ilk have been saying "fark you, I've got mine" for the last 30 years.

I got my job killing regulations? What are you talking about?

This thread is about job killing regulations.

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Let's see what the actual report has to say about it...

2007: 4
2011: 706

And a large number of those were simply quotes from congressmen.

But OMG, IT'S INCREASED OVER SEVENTEEN THOUSAND PERCENT! sounds so much better.

okay, that is funny.
I didn't look at the actual numbers

WhyteRaven74: That's only a worry if said goods are sold for less. However, if you haven't noticed companies haven't exactly been cutting prices as they've moved to using cheaper labor.

That's not to say the two aren't correlated.



Remember, the goal of the firm is profit maximization. If they can get the demand they want with the higher price point, they'll stay there. Just being cheaper than the other guy doesn't mean that you make money.

HeadLever: Philip Francis Queeg: Thank God we were saved from the tyranny of not having toxic waste dumped in streams.

Again, there is no indication that this was an issue at all. Nice try at a deflection, though.

Yes, there is

Mingo Logan, the petitioner in the case, obtained various permits from West Virginia for its mountaintop mining operations (including an NPDES permit that EPA initially opposed). It also applied to the Corps of Engineers for a Clean Water Act (CWA) section 404 permit to discharge material from its mine into nearby streams. EPA expressed concern over this permit and the accompanying EIS, but it didn't exercise its veto authority and the permit was eventually issued in 2007.

Two years later, EPA requested that the Corps withdraw the permit, stating that downstream water quality impacts hadn't been adequately addressed. The Corps rejected that request, and in 2010, EPA announced its plans to withdraw the specification of most of the streams comprising Mingo Logan's discharge area. The withdrawal became final in 2011, and Mingo Logan sued.

Burial of Pigeonroost Branch and Oldhouse Branch and their tributaries will also result in unacceptable adverse effects on wildlife downstream through the transformation of the buried areas into sources of pollution that will contribute contaminants to downstream waters and the removal of functions performed by the buried streams. Based on recent peer-reviewed literature, as well as available data from adjacent mine sites and from the active portion of the Spruce No. 1 Surface Mine, EPA has concluded that the full construction of the Spruce No. 1 Surface Mine will transform these headwater streams
from high quality habitat into sources of pollutants (particularly total dissolved solids and selenium) that will travel downstream and adversely impact the wildlife communities that utilize these downstream waters. Increased pollutant levels will lead to loss of macroinvertebrate communities and population shifts to more pollution-tolerant taxa, specifically the extirpation of ecologically important macroinvertebrates. Through the loss of stream macroinvertebrate communities, there will be, in turn, substantial effects on fish, amphibian, and bird populations that rely on these communities as a food source.

tenpoundsofcheese: It seems that the partisan liberals have a very limited response:
- GOP doesn't like job killing regulations.
- That means they hate all regulations
- That means they want people to die from eating lead paint.

Because it's pretty much true. Maybe not the "lead paint" part, but I'm sure there are a few GOP lobbyists that are all over it...

tenpoundsofcheese: Jake Havechek: I know it is fark, and that is what one should expect here.

No, it's because you and your ilk have been saying "fark you, I've got mine" for the last 30 years.

I got my job killing regulations? What are you talking about?

This thread is about job killing regulations.

So it is. Name one.

DozeNutz: Oh, Media Matters. no thanks

Try it again after the morning meds, you should be "straight" enough to figure it out by then. If not, they need to alter your dose.

tenpoundsofcheese: It seems that the partisan liberals have a very limited response:
- GOP doesn't like job killing regulations.
- That means they hate all regulations
- That means they want people to die from eating lead paint.

Republicans think protecting children from lead poisoning is "job killing"(pops)

This is too easy.

BillCo: That is because we have a job killing president.

Yeah, he's killing jobs so hard that unemployment is going down.

tenpoundsofcheese:
do they actually think that it means that people want every single regulation gone? Really??

Well, yeah.

Jake Havechek
derpdeederp: Jake Havechek
Every time an EPA haters' kid gets leukemia from toxic industrial runoff, an angel gets its wings.

Thats a lot of hate from the party of tolerance.

/Assuming youre on the left.

Another stock phrase from the teabagger/freeper glossary.

Ohh, lol, for some reason I thought the left propagated that term and it always confused me since I dont see the left anymore tolerant of different opinions than the right. My mistake, hate away my friend.

deadcrickets: You mean like those pesky bank killing regulations that they removed that lead to the global crash of 2008?

Or how about those pesky coal mining regulations, or how about those irritating offshore drilling regulations? The coal mine collapse that took place a few years ago happened because the Bureau of Mines was (and still is) a toothless agency. The offshore drillers lobbied to regulate and monitor themselves; yeah, regulations are killing off our jobs for sure!

/and the lack of them is killing the workers off

WhyteRaven74: quatchi: So now the largest mountain top removal mine in the US gets to open up and dump pollution into streams in the area?

At least they haven't, yet, gone as far as Massey Energy went. That Massey was allowed to continue to operate is a pretty big problem.

Yeah, love they way ME reconfigured themselves and then sold themselves back to themselves as Alpha in order to avoid liabilities and stay in business.

Hey, I'm sitting up here in BC where we are all wondering why the fark two saw mill basically blew up within a few months of each other.

I'm thinking it has something to do with the extra dust created by sawing wood infested with beetles building up to unsafe levels but so far it's all speculation. 2 dead 22 injured in the PG explosion alone. Scary Times.

derpdeederp: Jake Havechek
derpdeederp: Jake Havechek
Every time an EPA haters' kid gets leukemia from toxic industrial runoff, an angel gets its wings.

Thats a lot of hate from the party of tolerance.

/Assuming youre on the left.

Another stock phrase from the teabagger/freeper glossary.

Ohh, lol, for some reason I thought the left propagated that term and it always confused me since I dont see the left anymore tolerant of different opinions than the right. My mistake, hate away my friend.

Tolerance means you just put up with something. It doesn't mean you have to approve of it or even like it.

tenpoundsofcheese: how many regulations have created jobs?

How many jobs were created in the entire DHS? There's a number. Need more?
All the jobs at the EPA.
All the jobs at the SEC...

WhyteRaven74: However, if you haven't noticed companies haven't exactly been cutting prices as they've moved to using cheaper labor.


Apple posted a gross profit margin on 44.1%, with the bulk of their revenue coming from their iPhone line, which has a unit labor cost of less than 3% of its retail price.

Labor cost is not a factor in the iPhone's price, at all. They could multiply the wages by a factor of 10 and they would still pull a bigger profit ratio from their phones then oil companies do from their products.

This is a picture of an American river on fire. This happened before the founding of the EPA, and it has not happened again since. But, y'know, keep on farking that three-headed, one-eyed chicken.

Mr Burns would be proud.

tenpoundsofcheese: and what was the percentage increase in the use of "Hope and Change" during that same period?

IMO that's probably mostly by conservative blogs.

HeadLever: quatchi: So now the largest mountain top removal mine in the US gets to open up and dump pollution into streams in the area?

If they gathtered the required environmental permits, then yes they are. That is how the system works. The permits are designed to mitigate and reduce the risks with these discharges. Once the mine is permitted, no one should be able to just 'decide' that they should not be able to mine and veto the Plan of Operations retroactively.

Even if you don't agree with the mine, there is no doubt that the EPA screwed up badly over this.

It says in the article you linked that the original permit came from the Army Corp of Engineers not the EPA. I think the screw up was that first and foremost. Where was the EPA then? How can the ACE grant these permits without EPA oversight?

Something definitely stinks there and I don't think it's the EPA.

Bottom line is it's a balancing act.

Too many regulation can kill jobs.

Too few regulations do kill workers.

derpdeederp: for some reason I thought the left propagated that term

Probably because you have an AM radio permanently tuned to Rush Limbaugh where your brain should be.

tenpoundsofcheese: Lord_Baull: It's always refreshing to know teabaggers will never remember what transpired a mere 4 years ago when deregulation almost destroyed the financial industry, deregulation almost destroyed the entire gulf coast and deregulation is currently allowing democracy to be determined by less than 50 people.

It is always refreshing to see that liberals don't get the difference between regulations and job killing regulations.

Can you not grasp the concept that not all regulations are good?
0bama can. He commented about spilt milk regulations and something about salmon.


Well, it's good to know you have a firm grasp at the issues you debate. Anything to add about so-called volcano monitoring?

someonelse: heinekenftw: BillCo: That is because we have a job killing president.

Yeah, he's killing jobs so hard that unemployment is going down.

He's just biding his time until his second term when he'll take all the jobs and the guns. And unleash tornadoes of gay abortions upon the land.

Its sad that there are people who honestly believe that. Its even more pathetic that people like Bill there pretend to be so stupid to believe it just for attention.

Because there is nothing more American than laissez-faire.

tenpoundsofcheese: What are you talking about?

This thread is about job killing regulations.


Says the guy whose Boobies was a deflection about Obama.

Cubicle Jockey: I love that the EPA was founded in 1970 and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to affect the trajectory of the graph.

It's almost as if regulation to minimize externalities have a minimal impact on the economy while vastly improving quality of life.

It's almost as if I just clicked *SMART* on that post.

/No almost. I did.

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Let's see what the actual report has to say about it...

2007: 4
2011: 706

And a large number of those were simply quotes from congressmen.

But OMG, IT'S INCREASED OVER SEVENTEEN THOUSAND PERCENT! sounds so much better.

So are you refuting the math or the overall claim? Your intent is a little cloudy here, did you post before the whole message got downloaded from your masters?

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This is a picture of an American river on fire. This happened before the founding of the EPA, and it has not happened again since. But, y'know, keep on farking that three-headed, one-eyed chicken.

Mr Burns would be proud.


Obviously, that just shows the EPA is no longer necessary. Duh.

tenpoundsofcheese: I assume most of the people here are trolling,

What is this...I dont even...

Overheated political rhetoric based on shaky numbers

increased 17,550%

whar IRONIC tag? whar?

Wendy's Chili: Tolerance means not legislating hate against minorities and gays, not agreeing with your every dumbass opinion. You're a dumbass, not a victim of oppression.

THIS. By the way, can I borrow that quote (with credit)?

Cletus C.: It's the dick-limping regulations that piss me off.

Thanks a lot, Obummer.

Sounds like you need a stronger dick.