She comes in colors everywhere: I had a particular GF once, whose hamsters I would have stomped, had I thought of it at the time.

You can't be serious.

Coco LaFemme: I don't consider animals to be better than humans. I'm prefacing my comments with that. However, if you can willfully kill an animal, not because you're starving and need to eat, or because it's threatening your life/your family's life, you are a disturbed person. Hamsters are not food, nor do they threaten the lives of you or your family. They're little bitty things that run on a wheel in a cage and eat lettuce. If you can get so mad at another person that you will kill an animal, whether it's a hamster or a dog, you need help.

Again, that's not saying animals are better than people. That's saying that there are specific, valid, logical reasons to kill an animal. Nothing in this story fulfills specific, valid, and/or logical.

I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?

She comes in colors everywhere: I had a particular GF once, whose hamsters I would have stomped, had I thought of it at the time.

That makes you a bad dude. I wish I was as manly as you.

srhp29: Only if the torture of animals is done for pure enjoyment of the individdual doing it does it point to the propensity for becoming a serial killer. What this guy did does NOT fit that bill even if he laughed about it in court. What he did was in the moment and moronic, not a meticulously planned out fun fest of torture.

The fact he was laughing about it and did it to torture his ex shows he will either be a murderer or an abuser. Either way, a total piece of trash who will never contribute anything to society.

How do you get evicted from a trailer? I thought those got repoed.

mongbiohazard: Canton: DarkPrincess: The point is not about putting animals and people on the same level, or even if you believe a person who hurts an animal will not necessarily hurt a human. The point is that someone who relishes causing the suffering and torture of another living creature is a horrible and dangerous person.

This. Yes, it was "just" a rodent that the guy tortured and killed to get back at his girlfriend, but it was still an innocent victim and unable to defend itself. (And hamsters can be extremely sweet, by the way. My brother once had a pair he'd helped socialize, and they were excellent pets.) He doesn't sound like the sort of person I'd want anywhere near a child. Rather, he sounds like a sociopath with serious anger issues.

It also makes me wonder if the woman stayed with him for so long because she was afraid to leave...


What about the NEW girlfriend who was there with him in court for this, and stood by his side as he laughed about it? A guy that kills a defenseless animal to hurt someone else's feelings is attractive?

Since this is England, everyone in the story seems like varying degrees of shiatbag and the guy is an unemployed wastrel - without even seeing a picture - I'm betting these folks are all the kind who would be described over there as "chavs".

I agree. It sounds like they are all crappy people.

mongbiohazard: What about the NEW girlfriend who was there with him in court for this, and stood by his side as he laughed about it? A guy that kills a defenseless animal to hurt someone else's feelings is attractive?

Since this is England, everyone in the story seems like varying degrees of shiatbag and the guy is an unemployed wastrel - without even seeing a picture - I'm betting these folks are all the kind who would be described over there as "chavs".

Don't be angry just at this asshole. Be angry at the folks that felt the need to support him at his trial, including the asshole buddy that was tossed out of court for laughing out loud.

WhippingBoy: Coco LaFemme: I don't consider animals to be better than humans. I'm prefacing my comments with that. However, if you can willfully kill an animal, not because you're starving and need to eat, or because it's threatening your life/your family's life, you are a disturbed person. Hamsters are not food, nor do they threaten the lives of you or your family. They're little bitty things that run on a wheel in a cage and eat lettuce. If you can get so mad at another person that you will kill an animal, whether it's a hamster or a dog, you need help.

Again, that's not saying animals are better than people. That's saying that there are specific, valid, logical reasons to kill an animal. Nothing in this story fulfills specific, valid, and/or logical.

I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?

A sad SOB, but considering you have no problem recounting this information for people, you probably could care less what I think of it....so I'm not sure why you bothered to ask.

srhp29: BurnShrike: srhp29: No, mine is factual. even people who "torture" animals far more often than not do NOT go on to become serial killers.

Citation needed.

You're starting to sound like a serial killer yourself.

Well, I'm not sure how to take that coming from an obivous idiot.

Animal cruelty is a gateway drug

WhippingBoy: Coco LaFemme: I don't consider animals to be better than humans. I'm prefacing my comments with that. However, if you can willfully kill an animal, not because you're starving and need to eat, or because it's threatening your life/your family's life, you are a disturbed person. Hamsters are not food, nor do they threaten the lives of you or your family. They're little bitty things that run on a wheel in a cage and eat lettuce. If you can get so mad at another person that you will kill an animal, whether it's a hamster or a dog, you need help.

Again, that's not saying animals are better than people. That's saying that there are specific, valid, logical reasons to kill an animal. Nothing in this story fulfills specific, valid, and/or logical.

I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?

It makes you an asshole.

Coco LaFemme: WhippingBoy: Coco LaFemme: I don't consider animals to be better than humans. I'm prefacing my comments with that. However, if you can willfully kill an animal, not because you're starving and need to eat, or because it's threatening your life/your family's life, you are a disturbed person. Hamsters are not food, nor do they threaten the lives of you or your family. They're little bitty things that run on a wheel in a cage and eat lettuce. If you can get so mad at another person that you will kill an animal, whether it's a hamster or a dog, you need help.

Again, that's not saying animals are better than people. That's saying that there are specific, valid, logical reasons to kill an animal. Nothing in this story fulfills specific, valid, and/or logical.

I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?

A sad SOB, but considering you have no problem recounting this information for people, you probably could care less what I think of it....so I'm not sure why you bothered to ask.

I would need to hear the story surrounding the shooting of the prairie dogs to pass judgement here. Especially if you don't live in an area they infest. They are a naturally occuring rodent that can have massive populations that destroy crops, root systems and edge out other native animals. Around here, people can be paid to shoot prairie dogs to keep the population down.

WhippingBoy: Coco LaFemme: I don't consider animals to be better than humans. I'm prefacing my comments with that. However, if you can willfully kill an animal, not because you're starving and need to eat, or because it's threatening your life/your family's life, you are a disturbed person. Hamsters are not food, nor do they threaten the lives of you or your family. They're little bitty things that run on a wheel in a cage and eat lettuce. If you can get so mad at another person that you will kill an animal, whether it's a hamster or a dog, you need help.

Again, that's not saying animals are better than people. That's saying that there are specific, valid, logical reasons to kill an animal. Nothing in this story fulfills specific, valid, and/or logical.

I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?

It's a sign of being a budding warlock.

Particularly if you used to bullseye them from your F-150

I've had to trap and kill chipmunks to keep them from eating the wiring in my car.

/They ate the firewall lining and made a nest in my cabin air intake box.
//Have a heart trap and a bucket of water was much cheaper then thousands of dollars in wiring harness repair.
///Much different from killing a pet. Still made me uncomfortable.

WhippingBoy: I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?

Were they somebody's pets? Were you shooting them for the specific purpose of torturing somebody else?

Not that I'm down with what you did, but not exactly the same set of circumstances as this asshole.

Publikwerks: StrangeQ: Publikwerks: To be fair to the guy - She had a kid with another dude and was drunk.

So if I'm pissed off at my job and go and get wasted and then drive my truck into a schoolbus full of kids out of spite it's okay because work drove me over the edge and I was drunk?

No, but
1. Killing a child, let alone a schoolbus full of them, is worse then killing 50 million hamsters. You could run a machine that grinded up a steady stream of millions of hamsters into fuel for abortion machines and it would be not as bad as killing a child.

2. Not excusing it, just saying maybe we shouldn't torture him with rats under a hot bucket or whatever.

He is an asshole, and should go to jail. However, a hamster is a rodent, and on the scale of things I give a damn about, very low. I'm not saying I'm ok with hurting anything. But the people who freak about hurting a hamster and say we kill/torture this dude and a bit off as well..

The victim is not important. The point is that "I was drunk" or "I was pissed off" is not a valid excuse for any kind of wanton violence or destruction.

Yes, it may be "just" a hamster, and in the grand scheme of things it would have lived for maybe a couple more years and then died anyway, but that is not the point. It was something that someone else cared about and had an emotional investment in, and he remorselessly destroyed it simply out of spite. That is sick. Second, even though it was "just" a hamster, it was still innocent and defenseless. If you have no problem with killing such a creature, or worse, take enjoyment from it, there is something wrong with you.

WhippingBoy: Coco LaFemme: I don't consider animals to be better than humans. I'm prefacing my comments with that. However, if you can willfully kill an animal, not because you're starving and need to eat, or because it's threatening your life/your family's life, you are a disturbed person. Hamsters are not food, nor do they threaten the lives of you or your family. They're little bitty things that run on a wheel in a cage and eat lettuce. If you can get so mad at another person that you will kill an animal, whether it's a hamster or a dog, you need help.

Again, that's not saying animals are better than people. That's saying that there are specific, valid, logical reasons to kill an animal. Nothing in this story fulfills specific, valid, and/or logical.

I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?

Unless you're just trolling, it makes you an asshole. Actually, you're an asshole either way.

Slikk210: Seriously. It's one thing that she had a child with another man during their supposed relationship, but naming that child HONESTY and subsequently dumping him? I could see how there would be some rage bouncing around in that guy's head. I don't condone what he did, but I can certainly imagine someone doing worse in that situation.

Ha! She cheats on him and has a baby with another man, names it Honesty... Fark that hamster.

Raug the Dwarf: Coco LaFemme: WhippingBoy: Coco LaFemme: I don't consider animals to be better than humans. I'm prefacing my comments with that. However, if you can willfully kill an animal, not because you're starving and need to eat, or because it's threatening your life/your family's life, you are a disturbed person. Hamsters are not food, nor do they threaten the lives of you or your family. They're little bitty things that run on a wheel in a cage and eat lettuce. If you can get so mad at another person that you will kill an animal, whether it's a hamster or a dog, you need help.

Again, that's not saying animals are better than people. That's saying that there are specific, valid, logical reasons to kill an animal. Nothing in this story fulfills specific, valid, and/or logical.

I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?

A sad SOB, but considering you have no problem recounting this information for people, you probably could care less what I think of it....so I'm not sure why you bothered to ask.

I would need to hear the story surrounding the shooting of the prairie dogs to pass judgement here. Especially if you don't live in an area they infest. They are a naturally occuring rodent that can have massive populations that destroy crops, root systems and edge out other native animals. Around here, people can be paid to shoot prairie dogs to keep the population down.

Thanks, I was hoping someone would ask for clarification.
Saskatchewan. Similar situation there. They were (are) an invasive species that caused extensive crop damage and threatened native populations.

Raug the Dwarf: I would need to hear the story surrounding the shooting of the prairie dogs to pass judgement here. Especially if you don't live in an area they infest. They are a naturally occuring rodent that can have massive populations that destroy crops, root systems and edge out other native animals. Around here, people can be paid to shoot prairie dogs to keep the population down.

But that's the problem with these Hee-haw types. Context means nothing to them.

"Ah-yuck ah-yuck, you say I'm an asshole for going into pet stores and practicing tap-dancing in the gerbil pen, but I bet you wouldn't have a problem with shooting a grizzly bear if it broke into your house and was about to maul one of your children! Now who's the animal hater??"

WhippingBoy: Raug the Dwarf: Coco LaFemme: WhippingBoy: Coco LaFemme: I don't consider animals to be better than humans. I'm prefacing my comments with that. However, if you can willfully kill an animal, not because you're starving and need to eat, or because it's threatening your life/your family's life, you are a disturbed person. Hamsters are not food, nor do they threaten the lives of you or your family. They're little bitty things that run on a wheel in a cage and eat lettuce. If you can get so mad at another person that you will kill an animal, whether it's a hamster or a dog, you need help.

Again, that's not saying animals are better than people. That's saying that there are specific, valid, logical reasons to kill an animal. Nothing in this story fulfills specific, valid, and/or logical.

I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?

A sad SOB, but considering you have no problem recounting this information for people, you probably could care less what I think of it....so I'm not sure why you bothered to ask.

I would need to hear the story surrounding the shooting of the prairie dogs to pass judgement here. Especially if you don't live in an area they infest. They are a naturally occuring rodent that can have massive populations that destroy crops, root systems and edge out other native animals. Around here, people can be paid to shoot prairie dogs to keep the population down.

Thanks, I was hoping someone would ask for clarification.
Saskatchewan. Similar situation there. They were (are) an invasive species that caused extensive crop damage and threatened native populations.

So you WERE trolling. I'll stand by my statement that you're an asshole.

miscreant: For all the idiots defending this guy, let's be clear, he did not kill the hamster to hurt the hamster, he killed it specifically to hurt another human being and then laughed about it in court.

You don't have to be placing animal welfare above human welfare to see this guy is a sociopath. He was torturing the hamster specifically to torture the ex girlfriend. Will he likely become a serial killer? No, because he probably doesn't have the intelligence or balls to pull it off. After all, what kind of pussy goes after the pet hamster when the target of your anger is standing right in front of you.

That doesn't mean he's not a sociopath though. He is. The ex is lucky her child wasn't around, because a POS like this definitely would have gone after the kid if he could have. He's too cowardly to go after the ex because she would fight back, but he's the type that would go after what the ex cares about, and he knows that the child would top that list.

Brava. I've been reading all of these posts and the stupid little arguments that turn into arguments for arguments' sake. You hit the nail on the head.
Is he going to turn into a serial killer? Probably not. Is he a dick? Yes. Might he have hurt her child? Yes, it's entirely possible if not eventually very probable.

WhippingBoy: I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?

Current Resident: So Dave must have been quite a hamster to be worth £15.

The second hamster wasn't named and the douche only demanded £5 for it.

The second hamster was reported to be in "slightly used" condition.

Publikwerks: StrangeQ: So you WERE trolling. I'll stand by my statement that you're an asshole.

So instead of admitting you jumped the gun, you just keep that train o hate rollin.

Did I?

Unless you're just trolling, it makes you an asshole. Actually, you're an asshole either way.

Seems more like I acknowledged either possibility. Either he was a troll and an asshole, or he was an innocent creature killing asshole. The troll route took into account the fact that there ARE legitimate reasons for dispatching an animal, which he admitted to after being called on his troll post.

So, any other stupidity you would like to present for the rest of the class?

StrangeQ: Publikwerks: StrangeQ: So you WERE trolling. I'll stand by my statement that you're an asshole.

So instead of admitting you jumped the gun, you just keep that train o hate rollin.

Did I?

Unless you're just trolling, it makes you an asshole. Actually, you're an asshole either way.

Seems more like I acknowledged either possibility. Either he was a troll and an asshole, or he was an innocent creature killing asshole. The troll route took into account the fact that there ARE legitimate reasons for dispatching an animal, which he admitted to after being called on his troll post.

So, any other stupidity you would like to present for the rest of the class?

Get over yourself, please. It was just a bunch of dumb animals. Don't act like it was genocide.

For the folks glibly pasting "citation needed" to the assertion animal abuse and domestic violence correlate, take 2 minutes and search google.

But you don't really want a citation--you're either trying to be clever or you really believe animal abuse (that's abuse, not the socially accepted activities that come with domestication) just isn't that harmful.

The point is not that animal abuse is just as bad as domestic violence.
It's not. Hurting humans is worse.

The point is that the same pathology that causes someone to act out violence beyond socially acceptable norms against defenseless animals will also cause them to act out in the same way against defenseless humans.

Oh, and if you need citations, pick just one scholarly paper and read the footnotes. Here's one with over a hundred.

WhippingBoy: I used to shoot prairie dogs for fun. What does that make me?



"There's two suns and no women! What the hell am I supposed to do?!"

The douchebag in question. He has "please cockpunch me" written all over his face.

Otherwise Just Fine: Jesus tap dancing Christ, people have issues. I can't imagine being that angry.

Yeah, that guy is a real sweetheart.

WhippingBoy: Get over yourself, please. It was just a bunch of dumb animals. Don't act like it was genocide.

Sorry, I'm bored at work, and if someone is going to talk shiat they better be able to back it up.

stevejovi: [blu.stb.s-msn.com image 628x316]

The douchebag in question. He has "please cockpunch me" written all over his face.

I've known people that looked like that. They were sociopaths too.

stevejovi: [blu.stb.s-msn.com image 628x316]

The douchebag in question. He has "please cockpunch me" written all over his face.

No wonder he tortures rodents. He probably can't even beat up a 4 year old girl.

What's the difference between hamsters and gerbils?

There's more dark meat on the gerbils

-Bobcat Goldthwaite

Publikwerks: StrangeQ: WhippingBoy: Get over yourself, please. It was just a bunch of dumb animals. Don't act like it was genocide.

Sorry, I'm bored at work, and if someone is going to talk shiat they better be able to back it up.

ha HA, I too, am board at work. You sir have met your match

StrangeQ: Either he was a troll and an asshole, or he was an innocent creature killing asshole.

NO, there are numerious legitimate reasons for killing animals, which you yourself admit:

StrangeQ: Nice try at a troll, but it just shows that you lack any understanding of the differences between killing an animal for food and killing out of malice with the sole intent of creating pain and suffering.

He said little about the why or how. He gave so little information, making the determiniation that he was or is in fact an asshole(past tense because he said he used to, meaning he doesn't anymore, meaning he could have been an asshole, but no longer) was premature, and once more information came out, you then refused to reconsider, instead defending your flawed logic by labeling him a troll.

Actually, I *am* still and asshole. He's got me there.

Publikwerks: CapeFearCadaver: If they don't use the meat... yes.

/hunter

But what if they are hunting a nuisance species. I mean, does killing rats make you an asshole unless you eat them?

If you enjoy doing it, then yes. Apparently.

Publikwerks: CapeFearCadaver: If they don't use the meat... yes.

/hunter

But what if they are hunting a nuisance species. I mean, does killing rats make you an asshole unless you eat them?

Depends. Many people consider Republicans a nuisance species...

StaleCoffee: I guess "don't stick your dick in crazy" doesn't have a female appropriate parallel.

"Don't stick it in crazy" rearranges quite handily to the female equivalent "Don't stick crazy in it".

I agree, Boo. This group could use a swift kick in the morals.