With the Eagles being the Team of the Century, I can't understand why Samuel let an opportunity like that slip through his fingers.

You can have the best corners in the world, but if you have no pass rush it doesn't farking matter. Plus, Samuel is old. If I had 18million time probowler Rod Woodson on my team today I'd trade him, too.

Are you sure they didn't give up the pick to get Asante's contract off their books?

Of course you would. He's 47 years old.

Now they get to extend McCoy's contract. For all of Andy Reid's faults, he doesn't make too many stupid trades (e.g. McNabb, Kolb, AJ Feeley).

Er - that was supposed to have quoted you, bhcompy

He's getting old, he can't tackle and his contract is huge.

Wish I could find the thread where some retard kept arguing that the Eagles had the three best corners in the league.

mainstreet62: With the Eagles being the Team of the Century, I can't understand why Samuel let an opportunity like that slip through his fingers.

Nice.

downtownkid: Wish I could find the thread where some retard kept arguing that the Eagles had the three best corners in the league.

On paper or in Madden they'd be great if you played Nickel and Dime all day but when none of them can play in the slot and they're all different syles of coverage, it falls flat in a hurry.

Ken VeryBigLiar: downtownkid: Wish I could find the thread where some retard kept arguing that the Eagles had the three best corners in the league.

On paper or in Madden they'd be great if you played Nickel and Dime all day but when none of them can play in the slot and they're all different syles of coverage, it falls flat in a hurry.

Pretty much my argument exactly.

Did you see how many times Asante got burned last year while jumping routes?

I started calling him the new Izel Jenkins (who had the nickname of toast).

As mentioned above, I look at it as we are trading Asante Samuel for a long term LeSean McCoy contract. Not a fail at all.

Jjaro: As mentioned above, I look at it as we are trading Asante Samuel for a long term LeSean McCoy contract. Not a fail at all.

I was assuming the fail was on behalf of the Falcons.

dwrash: I started calling him the new Izel Jenkins (who had the nickname of toast).

Now, now... Toast could at least tackle someone. Granted, it was 20 yards later, but still.

He wanted to be traded all of last season, the crybaby finally got his wish.

Mr. Parker: He wanted to be traded all of last season, the crybaby finally got his wish.

The funny thing is that they had a good offer from the Lions last year (a 2 and either a 2011 3 or a 2012 3) and didn't take it because they wanted a 1st round pick for him. Same as what happened with Lito Sheppard. Instead they held out for "fair value" and ended up with nothing for both of them.

The Cornballer: Now they get to extend McCoy's contract. For all of Andy Reid's faults, he doesn't make too many stupid trades (e.g. McNabb, Kolb, AJ Feeley).

Totally agree. Add Dawkins and Westbrook to your list. I've said it here before, but as a lifelong Iggles fan, I have to give credit to the current Eagles management. They have not won a SuperBowl (and probably won't with this year's team either), but I'll take being competitive and making the playoffs nearly every year versus being the whipping boy of the NFC East in the post-Vermiel days.

/born near Philly, but grew up in Cowboy country
//still wore my Harold Carmichael jersey the day after losing to the Raiders in the SB
///GO FLYERS!

Ty Webb: The Cornballer: Now they get to extend McCoy's contract. For all of Andy Reid's faults, he doesn't make too many stupid trades (e.g. McNabb, Kolb, AJ Feeley).

Totally agree. Add Dawkins and Westbrook to your list. I've said it here before, but as a lifelong Iggles fan, I have to give credit to the current Eagles management. They have not won a SuperBowl (and probably won't with this year's team either), but I'll take being competitive and making the playoffs nearly every year versus being the whipping boy of the NFC East in the post-Vermiel days.

/born near Philly, but grew up in Cowboy country
//still wore my Harold Carmichael jersey the day after losing to the Raiders in the SB
///GO FLYERS!

LOLWUT??? Dawkins was great for Denver. And the Eagles still haven't replaced him with even a capable starter, nor have they won a playoff game since they booted him out the door.

AdmirableSnackbar: LOLWUT??? Dawkins was great for Denver. And the Eagles still haven't replaced him with even a capable starter, nor have they won a playoff game since they booted him out the door.

He left as a free agent. So he was neither a smart trade nor booted out the door.

They should gotten a deal done, though. He was the soul of the defense even if he wasn't as quick anymore.

you have pee hands: AdmirableSnackbar: LOLWUT??? Dawkins was great for Denver. And the Eagles still haven't replaced him with even a capable starter, nor have they won a playoff game since they booted him out the door.

He left as a free agent. So he was neither a smart trade nor booted out the door.

They should gotten a deal done, though. He was the soul of the defense even if he wasn't as quick anymore.

They offered him a contract that included a clause where he would have to pay the Eagles back for any games he missed due to injury. That's nothing but a kick out the door, no player is going to sign that.

AdmirableSnackbar:
LOLWUT??? Dawkins was great for Denver. And the Eagles still haven't replaced him with even a capable starter, nor have they won a playoff game since they booted him out the door.

I may be confused, but didn't Dawkins miss roughly half the games during his time in Denver? Not sure how that much down time would have helped the Iggles...

You make a good point, though, his presence is missed.

Nana's Vibrator: At his best, Asante Samuel was a corner who was exceptional at jumping a short pattern for an interception, but only when he had Rodney Harrison's help over the top. At all other things he was terrible, including deep single coverage and biting on double moves.

In 2007, 18-1 is his fault, almost exclusively.
1. He was supposed to be covering David Tyree during the helmet catch. He just let him go. Just let him go.
2. He let Tyree cross underneath him and catch a touchdown pass in a red zone possession. This should never happen. Ever.
3. He dropped a game-ending interception.

I will never forgive that guy for 18-1 and feel Patriots and Eagles fans should be compensated from the paychecks he stole.

Speaking as a Giants fan and a guy who has played sports his whole life .. are you serious or trolling?

How you going to put that loss on Samuel? There are many other things that led to the Giants even sniffing being able to beat the Pats. Why don't you blame the Pats offensive line for doing such a shiatty job protecting Brady and giving him time to throw the ball?

In football its 11 guys out there each play .. plenty more on the bench .. and your going to say 1 guy caused the Pats to lose that game. Come on' MAN!

I actually think Samuel isn't that bad .. better then plenty others in the league at his position.

Well what do i think about the trade Samuel for a 7th round pick? .. At least Phili got something lol. With the Draft they can find a diamond in the rough somewhere and maybe pair that pick up with another pick and trade up, you don't know what their plans are.

As for Atlanta .. lol .. don't know what they were thinking.

IAmRight: People do realize that Cam Newton didn't have so much as a 300-yard game after Week 4 last season, right?

You also realize he was 0-2 against the Falcons with 2 TD and 5 INT?

He was still pretty good as a rookie.

Ty Webb: AdmirableSnackbar:
LOLWUT??? Dawkins was great for Denver. And the Eagles still haven't replaced him with even a capable starter, nor have they won a playoff game since they booted him out the door.

I may be confused, but didn't Dawkins miss roughly half the games during his time in Denver? Not sure how that much down time would have helped the Iggles...

You make a good point, though, his presence is missed.

He missed 5 games in 2010 and 4 in 2011 when you include the 2 postseason games. So he played in 41 of 50 total games in three years. That's pretty damn good for a 36/37/38 year old safety.

AdmirableSnackbar: Ty Webb: The Cornballer: Now they get to extend McCoy's contract. For all of Andy Reid's faults, he doesn't make too many stupid trades (e.g. McNabb, Kolb, AJ Feeley).

Totally agree. Add Dawkins and Westbrook to your list. I've said it here before, but as a lifelong Iggles fan, I have to give credit to the current Eagles management. They have not won a SuperBowl (and probably won't with this year's team either), but I'll take being competitive and making the playoffs nearly every year versus being the whipping boy of the NFC East in the post-Vermiel days.

/born near Philly, but grew up in Cowboy country
//still wore my Harold Carmichael jersey the day after losing to the Raiders in the SB
///GO FLYERS!

LOLWUT??? Dawkins was great for Denver. And the Eagles still haven't replaced him with even a capable starter, nor have they won a playoff game since they booted him out the door.

Honestly, it's tough for me to figure out if letting Dawkins go was the right call. He has been my favorite Eagle for a long time, so I'm fatally biased on him. I imagine most Philly fans are as well. He was OK in Denver; while he made the pro bowl (perhaps largely based on reputation), he was often torched in coverage (I remember Darren Sproles running circles around him).

/Philly native (and Eagles fan) who moved to Denver 3 years ago.
//I'm not Brian Dawkins, I promise!

bhcompy: You can have the best corners in the world, but if you have no pass rush it doesn't farking matter. Plus, Samuel is old. If I had 18million time probowler Rod Woodson on my team today I'd trade him, too.

dwrash: Did you see how many times Asante got burned last year while jumping routes?

I started calling him the new Izel Jenkins (who had the nickname of toast).

Your Zionist Leader: Jjaro: As mentioned above, I look at it as we are trading Asante Samuel for a long term LeSean McCoy contract. Not a fail at all.

I was assuming the fail was on behalf of the Falcons.

The problem was the Eagles were shiat outside of a few guys on defense last year, oh and for saying hes that terrible then just check out the fewest yards per catch breakdown.

hurdboy: This is bad news for....Josh Freeman. Cam Newton and whoever is playing QB for the Saints will continue to dine on dirty birds on Sunday.

//8-8, third in the NFC South. Enjoy it, y'all.

Who, the taints or the panthers in 3rd? There is no way the falcons are .500 next year and the saints may lose half their defense at any given time next year, the panthers have shiat on defense still, unless they fix that they will still suck.

The Cornballer: Now they get to extend McCoy's contract. For all of Andy Reid's faults, he doesn't make too many stupid trades (e.g. McNabb, Kolb, AJ Feeley).

Yeah but he did push for vick to stay there and eagles fans last year saw how shiatty vick can really be, that is not a down year, vick is really that bad and I give it one more year before philly fans start chunking battering at him.

zooyorkfreak: Nana's Vibrator: At his best, Asante Samuel was a corner who was exceptional at jumping a short pattern for an interception, but only when he had Rodney Harrison's help over the top. At all other things he was terrible, including deep single coverage and biting on double moves.

In 2007, 18-1 is his fault, almost exclusively.
1. He was supposed to be covering David Tyree during the helmet catch. He just let him go. Just let him go.
2. He let Tyree cross underneath him and catch a touchdown pass in a red zone possession. This should never happen. Ever.
3. He dropped a game-ending interception.

I will never forgive that guy for 18-1 and feel Patriots and Eagles fans should be compensated from the paychecks he stole.

Speaking as a Giants fan and a guy who has played sports his whole life .. are you serious or trolling?

How you going to put that loss on Samuel? There are many other things that led to the Giants even sniffing being able to beat the Pats. Why don't you blame the Pats offensive line for doing such a shiatty job protecting Brady and giving him time to throw the ball?

In football its 11 guys out there each play .. plenty more on the bench .. and your going to say 1 guy caused the Pats to lose that game. Come on' MAN!

I actually think Samuel isn't that bad .. better then plenty others in the league at his position.

Well what do i think about the trade Samuel for a 7th round pick? .. At least Phili got something lol. With the Draft they can find a diamond in the rough somewhere and maybe pair that pick up with another pick and trade up, you don't know what their plans are.

As for Atlanta .. lol .. don't know what they were thinking.


The information is correct, but the analysis is...off.

1) Samuel was on tyree and Samuel was not near the play during the helmet catch...This is partly becuase that's what samuel does/did; he tends to

2) he did drop what would have likely been a game ending INT in that superbowl.

3) There was a lot of speculation in new england that these factors were part of the reason they let him walk. It's doubtful they were going to match the $60 million offer, but many speculated it was a done deal after those plays.

Nana's Vibrator: zooyorkfreak:
Speaking as a Giants fan and a guy who has played sports his whole life .. are you serious or trolling?

How you going to put that loss on Samuel? There are many other things that led to the Giants even sniffing being able to beat the Pats. Why don't you blame the Pats offensive line for doing such a shiatty job protecting Brady and giving him time to throw the ball?

In football its 11 guys out there each play .. plenty more on the bench .. and your going to say 1 guy caused the Pats to lose that game. Come on' MAN!

I actually think Samuel isn't that bad .. better then plenty others in the league at his position.

Well what do i think about the trade Samuel for a 7th round pick? .. At least Phili got something lol. With the Draft they can find a diamond in the rough somewhere and maybe pair that pick up with another pick and trade up, you don't know what their plans are.

As for Atlanta .. lol .. don't know what they were thinking.

If we're getting down to it, my response would be
1. The Giants just played a better all around game, period.
After that, a close NFL game comes down to 5 or 6 plays that decide the outcome of a game. All things equal (as in Asante doesn't screw anything up but the Giants do everything the same - time travel corollary),
Asante Samuel is my #1 by the aforementioned reasoning. If you watch the game again, you would actually wonder if he took the points to Vegas.
And THEN after that I would like to have seen better playcalling, better protection and protection schemes; leave a TE in once in awhile, and Brady having a better all-around game. This is what scares me: this year's Super Bowl and bringing McDaniels back shows me that they haven't learned anything in 4 years.)

But having watched Samuel from day one, I can tell you with confidence he made millions of dollars off of Bellichick's defensive scheme (and Rodney Harrison), which almost always puts a strong safety on the left side of the defense, tightly shading the W ...

With your educated response back to me instead of going "WTF ... nice username .. w/e" I have to say I have respect for you. And you made some nice points and i respect your opinion and can see your view of things.

Giants played hungry .. bit and clawed their way to that win. Honestly all Giants fans were expecting a fumble or INT to end the chances for the Giants .. just that the Pats didn't come up with it. As a Giants fan I was just happy with the W and it being in the superbowl made it even better. Still that is one of the best Pats teams I have ever seen play as well.

Your absolutely right every game comes down to about 5 or 6 plays to decide the game, I agree 100%.

I just thought you were making him out to be the scapegoat of the whole game but there were other factors to consider and at least you admit that but obviously Samuel has left a bad taste in peoples mouth up north lol.

Samuel did make lots of money off Belli's Defense i agree .. but again that's what makes championship teams and that works for the Pats having all those little pieces make a beast of a team .. (example: voltron). I hate how they are getting on Welker for wanting to get paid by the Pats .. dude has given blood sweat and tear literally for the Pats and people want to give him shiat. Samuel is a diff story .. Welker deserves it all even though he has Brady as QB. But if you remember before he signed with the pats Welker was making noise down in Miami .. so i think he is a diff case. None the less i think Samuel is on the back end of his career now and this move is kinda moot. Pats defense looks very promising and with the young guys they have there they are not going to be push over at all.

As for McDaniels .. i'll plead the 5th.

Nana's Vibrator: 2. You have a guy named Julian Edelman. This guy is not nearly as good as Welker, but he's good. In the same spot, he'd probably be good for about 75% of Welker's output: 75-ish catches, 5 TD's. BUT Welker would make $8 Million. Edelman makes $600,000. Now what if you plug in Edelman, let Welker walk, and use that $8 Million and roll it into a Mike Wallace or some other free agent super wide receiver (this actually was my half-baked scheme before Calvin Johnson was locked up, Wallace might not fit the bill here). For roughly the same money as 1 Welker, you have excellent output from 2 wide receivers instead of only one.
From a pure business sense in this singular situation, I try to get a game changing outside WR and plug in Julian Edelman.

What happens when Edelman ends up in prison, though?

Derek Force: Here's a great article about the pros and cons of trading Samuel. (pops)

So the scheme and players around him changed yet most of the iggle fans here are saying samuel just sucks, typical iggles fan.

Whats bad is that this is an upgrade for the falcons secondary, they were horrible the past two years but the offense bailed them out most of the time.

Whenever you trade someone and get a 7th rd pick....you got screwed

A 7th round pick is about as good as signing a Free Agent. Also, signing a RB to a long term contract is never a smart thing to do...it is the position that misses the most action due to injury

Falcons still made out better on the deal. And Samuel has a much better chance getting to the Super Bowl with the Falcons than the way overrated Eagles

ummm...Asante Samuel due in 2012 $11 million. Next year $13 million. So the Eagles had 24 million reasons to trade this guy. And if he was such a hot commodity, why was a 7th rounder the best offer they got?