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(New Zealand Herald)   New Zealand postal service laughs at US Postal Service's feeble attempt to go to five day a week service, says three days a week sounds about right   (nzherald.co.nz) divider line 88
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2012-04-26 12:50:54 AM
New Zealand is a small country & the USPS is mandated in Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution.
 
2012-04-26 03:30:08 AM
Oh waaaah, you won't get mail on Saturdays. WAAAAAH! Life is over!

/Canadian
 
2012-04-26 04:00:10 AM

borg: the USPS is mandated in Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution.


no
no it isnt
The Congress shall have Power To establish Post Offices and post Roads.
that does NOT mean that congress MUST establish post offices, just that they have the power to.
Even if you read it as mandated, congress could decide to establish one post office per million citizens. or 10 million or per state.

Congress used the power granted in the constitution and created the USPS, they can shrink the USPS to any size that they want.

on the other hand, the only reason that the USPS is hurting right now is the insane changes to prefunding retirement healthcare
"According to the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, the Postal Service is required to prefund future retiree healthcare benefits. No other company, public or private, in America is mandated to do this, but what's worse is the Post Service is required to prefund 80 percent of future retiree health costs in just 10 years! The annual cost of this burden: a staggering $5.5 billion. Hmm. The USPS says it lost $20 billion from 2007 to 2010 (this pre-funding obligation became law in 2006.) It would seem to me that even disregarding all the other factors the USPS bemoans, that pre-funding obligation has to play a role in its financial woes."

blah blah blah
 
2012-04-26 05:27:43 AM

Mr_Ectomy: Oh waaaah, you won't get mail on Saturdays. WAAAAAH! Life is over!

/Canadian


Seriously, cut Saturday service and raise the price of postage. I use the post office on a fairly regular basis, and even I won't mind shelling out more.
 
2012-04-26 05:30:52 AM
Three day mail week? Sounds great.

Monday, Wednesday and Friday only would be fine with me.

Mr_Ectomy: Oh waaaah, you won't get mail on Saturdays. WAAAAAH! Life is over!

/Canadian


Also this.
 
2012-04-26 06:00:10 AM
"would start at $10 million, balloon to over $20 million the next year"

Wowwwwww, I can't even fathom numbers that large.
 
2012-04-26 06:10:26 AM
I'm OK with zero days a week.
 
2012-04-26 06:16:17 AM
Frankly the only mail I get most days is junk mail.

Seriously. I get the following over the course of a month:

Bank transaction record
Credit card transaction record (2)
Power bill
Phone bill

That's it, except birthday cards. I could actually elect to get all of those by e-mail, but I tend to ignore bills that don't come in a scary official envelope.

So I can probably live with only three days of mail service. I don't even collect Saturday's mail until Tuesday afternoon.
 
2012-04-26 06:16:41 AM

joshzsmith: "would start at $10 million, balloon to over $20 million the next year"

Wowwwwww, I can't even fathom numbers that large.


That equates to $2.50 balloning to $5 a head for every man woman and child in the country.
Personally I haven't posted anything via NZ Post for at least 10 years.
I live rurally and our mail carrier is a courier contracted to NZ Post who consistently delivers my neighbours mail to me and vice versa.
I don't think I'm willing to subsidise an unnecessary service I rarely if ever use.
3 days a week is more than enough.
 
2012-04-26 06:19:41 AM
What you all have to remember, using the internet as we all are at this very moment, is that a lot of people don't use the internet. And a lot of people don't have online banking and bill payments set up. And a lot of people just don't want to deal with internet banking and bill payments when writing a cheque and popping in a mail box works just fine.
 
2012-04-26 06:24:23 AM
Meh

Where I have a property in the Canary Islands, the postman delivers the mail when he has enough letters to make it worthwhile.

Also at the same time he'll empty the mail boxes, so sending and receiving mail is all a bit random.
 
2012-04-26 06:25:41 AM

ModernLuddite: What you all have to remember, using the internet as we all are at this very moment, is that a lot of people don't use the internet. And a lot of people don't have online banking and bill payments set up. And a lot of people just don't want to deal with internet banking and bill payments when writing a cheque and popping in a mail box works just fine.


What? I'm posting this via NZ Post!
 
2012-04-26 06:32:19 AM

lunkhed: Meh

Where I have a property in the Canary Islands, the postman delivers the mail when he has enough letters to make it worthwhile.

Also at the same time he'll empty the mail boxes, so sending and receiving mail is all a bit random.


lunkhed: Meh

Where I have a property in the Canary Islands, the postman delivers the mail when he has enough letters to make it worthwhile.

Also at the same time he'll empty the mail boxes, so sending and receiving mail is all a bit random.


Do they leave the mail in a sack nailed up by the castle door?

/not obscure
//my uncle runs a pub in the Canary Islands, never seems to miss a tax demand in the post - complains constantly.
 
2012-04-26 06:35:11 AM
3 days is plenty! Mon, Wed Fri. All I get in the mail is junk mail anyways. All bills are handled electronically.
 
2012-04-26 06:40:15 AM
I could imagine that ebay sellers/buyers would not be happy with three days a week post. Most small items are so damn cheap to send first class, and they get across the country fast.
 
2012-04-26 06:42:20 AM
Wind Farms.

/only problem is that the blades turn back wards and you get CD voltage.
 
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2012-04-26 06:54:58 AM
congress just approved an $11 billion cash infusion to the USPS.
 
2012-04-26 06:58:32 AM
Also, the USPS handles 40% of the world's mail. New Zealand can probably afford to wind down operations since they probably handle a fraction of that.
 
2012-04-26 07:02:11 AM
True story, bro:
Everyone in my office had to send a single A4 sheet of paper with a statement, signed (and not scanned to email) and then sent to an external address. I overheard two of the younger IT guys going "And now?" "Stick it in an envelope" "Whats an envelope?" "It's like the email icon, only made of paper" "oh."
 
2012-04-26 07:11:18 AM
I think our letter-carrier has been doing this for years anyway.

/Just moved
//So I mean former letter carrier
 
2012-04-26 07:11:29 AM

Tenebreux: True story, bro:
Everyone in my office had to send a single A4 sheet of paper with a statement, signed (and not scanned to email) and then sent to an external address. I overheard two of the younger IT guys going "And now?" "Stick it in an envelope" "Whats an envelope?" "It's like the email icon, only made of paper" "oh."


kelevra23.files.wordpress.com

No you didn't.
 
2012-04-26 07:18:49 AM
Let me relate my recent Post Office story...It's long, but worth it.

My business is downsizing so I decide to get a PO box to handle checks without a physical office. So I go to the USPS website and place an order for a box near my home. I select my town, go through the steps, and a few minutes later, voila, I have a PO box. OK, so I have to print this form out to bring to the station to get my key, but whatever, I have a box.

Now here's where it gets interesting. I go to the main branch in my town and get on line. It's a 45 minute wait because they only have two people working, but again, not a big deal. When it's my turn, they take my ID and then have to run some check on the phone number. Only, their system for running said check is down. So, they apologize and say, come back tomorrow, we'll run the check when system is up, and have everything ready for you. OK.

I go back the next day. Second 45-minute wait. Get to counter. First they don't know what I am talking about, then when they find the form, they inform me that the box isn't here. No, no you want the other branch located at the other end of town because that's where the box is located. Only, the website never said that. It just said MY TOWN. Never gave me a choice, or even told me "hey, this might be in a different location than you think."

OK, so I take my form and proceed to head to the other branch. Only that is fruitless because it is now 4:45 PM and that branch desk closes at 4:30. So I head back the next day. Get there right at 9AM. Hand them my form and get my key. Test key in box lock. And...won't open. Little Chinese man behind counter tries key for about 10 minutes, doesn't open. Little Chinese man goes behind box and fumbles with lock for about 20 minutes, still doesn't work.

Finally, little Chinese man says, "OK, we give you new box with lock that works." He gives me new key, I test, works great. And you think, OK that was a hassle, but that's it, right?

Wrong, because when little Chinese man goes to make the change in the system, I am charged a $6.00 "Replacement key" charge. I stare incredulous at the screen. "I'm not paying that, man", I say to LCM. He agrees, but now he has to figure out how NOT to charge me this fee. As you can probably guess, he has no power to simply override it. He needs to get a manager approval. So he goes back and gets on phone for another 20 minutes trying to track down somebody who can reverse this charge. Comes back and says, "I have to wait for a manager to come down from the main branch and override the charge before I can give you key. He should be here in about 30 minutes."

Well, I give him my wife's cell phone number and ask him to call her to pick up when this is all ready. Finally, I get key. Only here's the awesome part. Apparently there is no way to void this charge, so instead, they take the lock from the box I got, and put it on the ORIGINAL box they issued so they can give me that one and avoid having to deal with the system.

What should have been a 15-20 minute transaction turned into a 2 week nightmare of Vogon-level bureaucracy.
 
2012-04-26 07:36:39 AM

ModernLuddite: What you all have to remember, using the internet as we all are at this very moment, is that a lot of people don't use the internet. And a lot of people don't have online banking and bill payments set up. And a lot of people just don't want to deal with internet banking and bill payments when writing a cheque and popping in a mail box works just fine.


what is really funny is that if they do start closing post offices, they will start with rural ones....where they probably get used more per capita then larger cities. Because when you have no/really slow internet (as they do in rural america), it is more of a chore to try and do stuff like sending emails and banking online.

/wouldn't be sad with staggered mail delivery, I don't need it everyday.
//maybe they can use the money made from closing the postal offices to provide high speed internet to everybody
 
2012-04-26 07:41:20 AM
Our mail service in Chicago was suspect at best.

However, our mail service in Albany was absolutely sterling. I had a mail-order business at one point and they were absolutely fantastic to deal with. One time some jackass at the Latham office punted about a dozen envelopes going International, so I dropped the postmaster an email, not expecting to hear anything of it. The next morning he called me and assured me it wouldn't happen again, and would I please bring the packages for shipping back so they could get them out for me. No complaints at all. Also, my incoming mail was always timely and correctly delivered.

Quality of service to our new place in Boston remains to be seen.
 
2012-04-26 07:55:18 AM

if_i_really_have_to: Frankly the only mail I get most days is junk mail.

Seriously. I get the following over the course of a month:

Bank transaction record
Credit card transaction record (2)
Power bill
Phone bill

That's it, except birthday cards. I could actually elect to get all of those by e-mail, but I tend to ignore bills that don't come in a scary official envelope.

So I can probably live with only three days of mail service. I don't even collect Saturday's mail until Tuesday afternoon.


This - snail mail is no longer used for time-sensitive or personal communication. Three days a week would be fine for me, too.
 
2012-04-26 07:57:51 AM

Mr_Ectomy: Oh waaaah, you won't get mail on Saturdays. WAAAAAH! Life is over!

/Canadian


Life's not over but it severely screws with my Netflix schedule.

Send back Monday
Receive Wednesday
Send back Thursday
Receive Saturday
 
2012-04-26 08:03:11 AM

ModernLuddite: What you all have to remember, using the internet as we all are at this very moment, is that a lot of people don't use the internet. And a lot of people don't have online banking and bill payments set up. And a lot of people just don't want to deal with internet banking and bill payments when writing a cheque and popping in a mail box works just fine.


I totally get that. What I don't get is how saturday mail service helps those people. I mean if you get your electric bill on Saturday, if you want to pay it at the actual bank, you can't do it until monday anyways. Hell even if you pay it at an ATM, the transaction probably doesn't go through until monday. So why not just deliver the letter on Monday?
 
2012-04-26 08:12:23 AM
Everybody residence gets a PO box, delivered to on weekends. Once a week home delivery for the infirm.

Book it. Done.
 
2012-04-26 08:16:11 AM
No Newman yet?
 
2012-04-26 08:16:14 AM
Is the New Zealand postal service being intentionally sabotaged by their Legislature too?
 
2012-04-26 08:19:14 AM
I see no problem with three day a week postal service.
 
2012-04-26 08:21:45 AM
I haven't checked my mail in weeks. Always forget about it. Welcome to the 21st century.

/CSB, sis
 
2012-04-26 08:24:10 AM

mechgreg: electric bill on Saturday, if you want to pay it at the actual bank, you can't do it until monday anyways.


All the banks around here (rural area) are open till noon at least (some have normal hours) on Saturdays

Hell, there is one branch of a local bank that is open from 12-4 on Sunday!

But yeah, I don't see needing Saturday mail. They could do Mon-Thurs mail, spilt the routes in half, and do half on Mon/Wed and the other half on Tue/Thur, or something like that.
 
2012-04-26 08:25:50 AM

hornblowerfan: I haven't checked my mail in weeks. Always forget about it. Welcome to the 21st century.

/CSB, sis


Enjoy jail when you miss jury duty!
 
2012-04-26 08:29:38 AM

mechgreg: I totally get that. What I don't get is how saturday mail service helps those people. I mean if you get your electric bill on Saturday, if you want to pay it at the actual bank, you can't do it until monday anyways. Hell even if you pay it at an ATM, the transaction probably doesn't go through until monday. So why not just deliver the letter on Monday?


Not to mention that a bill you receive today isn't due for 3-4 weeks. Nothing the post office handles in first class mail actually needs to be arrive in less than two weeks.
 
2012-04-26 08:30:24 AM
I already get mail only 4 days a week in North Carolina.
 
2012-04-26 08:34:22 AM
Why can't I have a mail box at the local branch, with a pre-determined amount of mail that would trigger an automated call for me to swing by and get it? The post office would need fewer vehicles, and the junk mail could also get shredded at the same place. Then the trash truck wouldn't have to come by my house either.
 
2012-04-26 08:39:51 AM

ModernLuddite: What you all have to remember, using the internet as we all are at this very moment, is that a lot of people don't use the internet. And a lot of people don't have online banking and bill payments set up. And a lot of people just don't want to deal with internet banking and bill payments when writing a cheque and popping in a mail box works just fine.


And all of that can be accomplished with 3 day a week delivery.

Hell, have 3 day a week home, 5 day a week business and daily PO Box. If people REALLY need daily delivery they can get a PO Box.
 
2012-04-26 08:42:25 AM

SharkTrager: Hell, have 3 day a week home, 5 day a week business and daily PO Box. If people REALLY need daily delivery they can get a PO Box.


Heh, my brother in law was looking at real estate properties in places like Montana and South Dakota, out in the middle of nowhere, where one of the perks was "weekly mail delivery"

/wants to live in a place like that when I retire
 
2012-04-26 08:42:36 AM

Burr: All the banks around here (rural area) are open till noon at least (some have normal hours) on Saturdays

Hell, there is one branch of a local bank that is open from 12-4 on Sunday!


While true, from an actual ledger standpoint those Saturday and Sunday transactions are officially on Monday. Good banks may give you access to funds before that though.
 
2012-04-26 08:44:37 AM

Burr: SharkTrager: Hell, have 3 day a week home, 5 day a week business and daily PO Box. If people REALLY need daily delivery they can get a PO Box.

Heh, my brother in law was looking at real estate properties in places like Montana and South Dakota, out in the middle of nowhere, where one of the perks was "weekly mail delivery"

/wants to live in a place like that when I retire


I'd do away with traditional rural routes and have larger centralized buildings like super pedestals. Something similar to what apartments have. If you want to live in the boonies that's fine, but there is no reason other people should have to subsidize your mail. Tons of people in Alaska already have to go to a post office so it's not unheard of.
 
2012-04-26 08:44:59 AM

sharkbeagle: I already get mail only 4 days a week in North Carolina.


Where in NC do you live?

Just curious because I live in RTP and get mail 6 days a week.

My dad used to get mail (and everything else) via the ferry in Hatteras in the 1940s.
 
2012-04-26 08:55:09 AM

ModernLuddite: What you all have to remember, using the internet as we all are at this very moment, is that a lot of people don't use the internet. And a lot of people don't have online banking and bill payments set up. And a lot of people just don't want to deal with internet banking and bill payments when writing a cheque and popping in a mail box works just fine.


True, especially in rural areas. You also have a lot of people with the "Oh noes! My bank account will get compromised, my identity will be stolen! etc etc" frame of mind. You could give them free internet and they still wouldn't do online banking/bill paying.
 
2012-04-26 08:58:24 AM

ramblinwreck: Also, the USPS handles 40% of the world's mail. New Zealand can probably afford to wind down operations since they probably handle a fraction of that.


I don't doubt your claim, but if my experience is typical then about 90% of that 40% is unsolicited junk that goes straight into the trash.
 
2012-04-26 08:58:35 AM
25 Posts in for a Netflix related comment? What is everyone sleeping?
 
2012-04-26 08:58:41 AM
Pass the costs along to the junk-mail advertisers. If their business depends on a mail box being stuffed full of environmentally damaging crap that travels from the mail box to the trash, or hopefully the recycle bin, let them pay for the service.
 
2012-04-26 08:59:59 AM

robhidalgo: ramblinwreck: Also, the USPS handles 40% of the world's mail. New Zealand can probably afford to wind down operations since they probably handle a fraction of that.

I don't doubt your claim, but if my experience is typical then about 90% of that 40% is unsolicited junk that goes straight into the trash.


THIS. If they need to hike rates, hike them on those asshats.
 
2012-04-26 09:02:27 AM
I had the USPS hold my mail for 3 weeks. Since they don't bother keeping the junk mail, it turned out that I got all of 2 pieces of mail over the course of that period, 1 bill from the water company that refuses to do online service, and a greeting card.
 
2012-04-26 09:08:53 AM

if_i_really_have_to: Frankly the only mail I get most days is junk mail.

Seriously. I get the following over the course of a month:

Bank transaction record
Credit card transaction record (2)
Power bill
Phone bill

That's it, except birthday cards. I could actually elect to get all of those by e-mail, but I tend to ignore bills that don't come in a scary official envelope.

So I can probably live with only three days of mail service. I don't even collect Saturday's mail until Tuesday afternoon.


But in an email birthday card you can't get a $5 bill that smells like lavender sachet from your elderly aunt who still thinks you are just turning five years old. Why would you want to miss out on that?
 
2012-04-26 09:11:40 AM

SharkTrager: I'd do away with traditional rural routes and have larger centralized buildings like super pedestals.


I would love that. My mailbox gets taken out at least once a winter by snowplows and out of control drivers.

Lost Thought 00: 1 bill from the water company


What the hell is it with water companies who refuse to do business online?
 
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