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2012-04-25 07:41:04 PM
Maybe she should start calling them 48 times a day until they agree to pay up.

FTA: The man on the line repeatedly called her a vulgar name for the female anatomy. He described violent sexual acts he would like to subject her to and asked if she liked to be "gang banged."

hawt
 
2012-04-25 08:24:47 PM
Do they have any physical assets? If yes, can't she get the local sheriff's office to auction them off to pay her debt?
 
2012-04-25 08:31:07 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Do they have any physical assets? If yes, can't she get the local sheriff's office to auction them off to pay her debt?


The article makes it out that they are some fly-by-night type of collection agency. They tracked down the parent company, so how hard is it to make them pay up, since she's saying she'll be shocked to ever see a penny. Which makes me wonder what it takes to be a collection agency. How can someone or entity have access to such sensitive personal information, without some type of oversight? I want to start a collection agency and get my hands on a bunch of SS numbers and bank accounts.
 
2012-04-25 08:32:02 PM
I think the best part is that their attorney failed to show up, which I'm sure pissed the judge off and led to the $10 million judgment. Priceless. They'll be running from that for the rest of their lives; whenever they get tax refunds, they'll be taken from them. Fantastic.
 
2012-04-25 08:34:24 PM

Mixolydian Master: so how hard is it to make them pay up


i575.photobucket.com

It's cute how naive you are. Companies can and will hide forever from their obligations when it concerns one person. They're legally better than you citizen, made that way by the people you elected into office.
 
2012-04-25 08:36:39 PM

GAT_00: Mixolydian Master: so how hard is it to make them pay up

[i575.photobucket.com image 411x110]

It's cute how naive you are. Companies can and will hide forever from their obligations when it concerns one person. They're legally better than you citizen, made that way by the people you elected into office.


How did the hot coffee woman ever get paid from McDonalds? etc.etc. Isn't the whole thing just a judge saying Pay the fark up mother farkers. Large companies get sued successfully and pay up all the time. This isn't the case here. It's a company that figuratively hides in the shadows.
 
2012-04-25 08:40:01 PM

Mixolydian Master: Maybe she should start calling them 48 times a day until they agree to pay up.

FTA: The man on the line repeatedly called her a vulgar name for the female anatomy. He described violent sexual acts he would like to subject her to and asked if she liked to be "gang banged."

hawt


Classy and keepin' it real. Yes, she should call them repeatedly and call their neighbors and family as well.
 
2012-04-25 08:43:40 PM
I have a debt collection company calling me pretty regularly about a debt that I don't actually owe. I gave up on trying to get them to stop and I just have an app on my phone that blocks their numbers, so I don't really notice unless I check the logs and every couple of months I get a new unknown number that calls and doesn't leave a message that I have to add to the list. Some people have told me that I can sue them, but I never really thought it would be worth it because even if I did go through the effort of getting a judgment against them, I didn't really see receiving that money as likely. This seems to confirm my suspicions.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-25 08:45:15 PM
I hope that it sends a message to other debt collectors out there that you have to follow the law.

The lesson is, if your company is sued in a court on the other side of the country where you have no business presence, you can ignore the lawsuit, close your old company, start a new one, and keep on doing business. She sued an LLC. She has a default judgment against a dead inhuman person.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-25 08:49:03 PM
TheOmni

I got a number that had been used by a two or three people with outstanding debts, some of them student loan debts that never go away. After a dozen or two calls I got a human on the line, and said "You're robocalling a cell phone. Stop." And all the calls stopped, from all the calling numbers. Looks like I inherited the number from high class deadbeats whose debts are owned by law-abiding companies. Or companies that are afraid of TCPA lawsuits.

(In other news, I recently became the last person on earth to get a cell phone.)
 
2012-04-25 08:50:13 PM

TheOmni: I have a debt collection company calling me pretty regularly about a debt that I don't actually owe. I gave up on trying to get them to stop and I just have an app on my phone that blocks their numbers, so I don't really notice unless I check the logs and every couple of months I get a new unknown number that calls and doesn't leave a message that I have to add to the list. Some people have told me that I can sue them, but I never really thought it would be worth it because even if I did go through the effort of getting a judgment against them, I didn't really see receiving that money as likely. This seems to confirm my suspicions.


Do it. Worst case scenario, they'll realize that people fight back, and they'll stop harassing you.

Best case scenario is "massively biggest Fark Party ever!"
 
2012-04-25 08:54:58 PM

Mixolydian Master: GAT_00: Mixolydian Master: so how hard is it to make them pay up

[i575.photobucket.com image 411x110]

It's cute how naive you are. Companies can and will hide forever from their obligations when it concerns one person. They're legally better than you citizen, made that way by the people you elected into office.

How did the hot coffee woman ever get paid from McDonalds? etc.etc. Isn't the whole thing just a judge saying Pay the fark up mother farkers. Large companies get sued successfully and pay up all the time. This isn't the case here. It's a company that figuratively hides in the shadows.


Because they're a popular company. If they didn't pay up and she goes to the media, it hurts them. How will bad press hurt a detective agency?
 
2012-04-25 09:27:47 PM

GAT_00: Mixolydian Master: GAT_00: Mixolydian Master: so how hard is it to make them pay up

[i575.photobucket.com image 411x110]

It's cute how naive you are. Companies can and will hide forever from their obligations when it concerns one person. They're legally better than you citizen, made that way by the people you elected into office.

How did the hot coffee woman ever get paid from McDonalds? etc.etc. Isn't the whole thing just a judge saying Pay the fark up mother farkers. Large companies get sued successfully and pay up all the time. This isn't the case here. It's a company that figuratively hides in the shadows.

Because they're a popular company. If they didn't pay up and she goes to the media, it hurts them. How will bad press hurt a detective agency?


That brings me back to my point. If it wasn't a shadow agency, couldn't a judge just say pay the fark up, or we'll just liquidate your assets. You can just say, nah, I don't wanna pay. I don't really care what that judge says, to be honest with you.
 
2012-04-25 09:28:13 PM
The man on the line repeatedly called her a vulgar name for the female anatomy.

Mulva?

www.makethelist.net
 
2012-04-25 09:29:16 PM

TheOmni: I have a debt collection company calling me pretty regularly about a debt that I don't actually owe. I gave up on trying to get them to stop and I just have an app on my phone that blocks their numbers, so I don't really notice unless I check the logs and every couple of months I get a new unknown number that calls and doesn't leave a message that I have to add to the list. Some people have told me that I can sue them, but I never really thought it would be worth it because even if I did go through the effort of getting a judgment against them, I didn't really see receiving that money as likely. This seems to confirm my suspicions.


Turn your case over to a collection agency to hound a collection agency, until they pay.

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-04-25 09:32:22 PM
The collection agency was obviously being assholes but $10mill? Really?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-25 09:43:25 PM
Mugato

It was a default judgment. It doesn't have to make sense.
 
2012-04-25 11:13:08 PM

Mugato: The man on the line repeatedly called her a vulgar name for the female anatomy.

Mulva?

[www.makethelist.net image 400x300]


Bunt?
 
2012-04-25 11:17:22 PM
So, if we abide by the same rules that the collection agency laid out, can we gang-rape the CEOs if they don't cough up the money?

But seriously. How come these buttholes are in a prison cell somewhere?
 
2012-04-25 11:17:59 PM
aren't
 
2012-04-25 11:18:09 PM
I think there is some kind of procedure where she needs to get a lien place on their property through the state, then takes the judgement sheriffs office so he can walk in and sieze all their office equipment (computers, desks, phones, ehatever), and then the sheriff sells the shiat. it could be epic.
 
2012-04-25 11:20:16 PM
Junk debt buyers are useless eaters.

2.bp.blogspot.com

Unnecessary violence has been approved.
 
2012-04-25 11:21:01 PM
Too bad there isn't some sort of shadow group that could help this women cause them pain.

/no not Anonymous, the AVENGERS!
 
2012-04-25 11:22:41 PM
The lesson is, if your company is sued in a court on the other side of the country where you have no business presence, you can ignore the lawsuit, close your old company, start a new one, and keep on doing business.

Corporations are people too. Except when they aren't. -- Mitt Romney
 
2012-04-25 11:26:04 PM
If she sued the corporation and not the individual owners then she's basically pissing into the wind. They'll just close the shell corporation, start a new one, and move on to the next victim.

American capitalism, ain't it great?
 
2012-04-25 11:26:47 PM

TheOmni: I have a debt collection company calling me pretty regularly about a debt that I don't actually owe. I gave up on trying to get them to stop and I just have an app on my phone that blocks their numbers, so I don't really notice unless I check the logs and every couple of months I get a new unknown number that calls and doesn't leave a message that I have to add to the list. Some people have told me that I can sue them, but I never really thought it would be worth it because even if I did go through the effort of getting a judgment against them, I didn't really see receiving that money as likely. This seems to confirm my suspicions.


The debt collection industry is made up of two separate groups. (DUNH DUNH) Legitimate businesses with permanent facilities and staff that have entire departments dedicated to negotiating with your lawyer and settling out of court, and shady operations that close up shop as soon as the state takes notice and reopen under another name.

If you can't tell which one you're dealing with, your lawyer will know. There are numerous lawyers who specialize in this, they almost always work on contingency, and they'll help you record your calls. The legitimate ones will want to write you a check immediately to avoid court, because state consumer protection agencies kind of frown on these things.
 
2012-04-25 11:31:01 PM

Mixolydian Master: FTA: The man on the line repeatedly called her a vulgar name for the female anatomy. He described violent sexual acts he would like to subject her to and asked if she liked to be "gang banged."

hawt


I'll bet this was the guy:

yangnames.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-04-25 11:39:25 PM

Mugato: The collection agency was obviously being assholes but $10mill? Really?


She gets part of the proceeds as being the whistleblower who uncovered the massively damaging wrong-doing. You want to get paid? Prove Exxon/Haliburton/etc is stealing billions from the federal government through systemic massive fraud. Any one, or go for all of them.
 
2012-04-25 11:42:58 PM
The wheel of capitalism is greased by donkey slurm
This is a saying
 
2012-04-25 11:43:44 PM

Tickle Mittens: She gets part of the proceeds as being the whistleblower who uncovered the massively damaging wrong-doing.


You didn't read the article, did you?

/$10MM in West Virginia has to make you a bazillionaire out there.
//And she's not covered in coal
 
2012-04-25 11:46:44 PM

Mugato: The man on the line repeatedly called her a vulgar name for the female anatomy.

Mulva?


no, twunt



rescue me
 
2012-04-25 11:47:48 PM
Maybe they can do what most debt collectors do and sell their debt to another agency for pennies on the dollar. Now some other agency will owe her $1 million instead.
 
2012-04-25 11:48:34 PM

Infobahn: Too bad there isn't some sort of shadow group that could help this women cause them pain.

/no not Anonymous, the AVENGERS!


or turn 4chan loose on them?
 
2012-04-25 11:50:51 PM
If push comes to shove they will probably just declare bankruptcy and open up shop somewhere else. I don't see how she's going to get that money, this is a company that has built it's whole business on debt - not only do they know all the ways to try and force people to pay, but they know how to use those rules to avoid paying themselves, but she's right, just forcing them to move operations sends a message. What I'm wondering is why they did not seek out the caller and arrest him, he should be sitting in a jail cell.
 
2012-04-25 11:51:53 PM

Mixolydian Master: Turn your case over to a collection agency to hound a collection agency, until they pay.


That would be like pitting two starving hyenas against each other, but 1000x more awesome and 1000x less inhumane.
 
2012-04-25 11:52:42 PM

GAT_00: Mixolydian Master: so how hard is it to make them pay up

[i575.photobucket.com image 411x110]

It's cute how naive you are. Companies can and will hide forever from their obligations when it concerns one person. They're legally better than you citizen, made that way by the people you elected into office.


I represent individuals who recover from companies for a living. It sometimes takes an unorthodox strategy, but it is doable.

Exhibit A
 
2012-04-25 11:55:44 PM

relcec: I think there is some kind of procedure where she needs to get a lien place on their property through the state, then takes the judgement sheriffs office so he can walk in and sieze all their office equipment (computers, desks, phones, ehatever), and then the sheriff sells the shiat. it could be epic.


I am sure it varies by state, but basically she can request a copy of the companies assets (bank accounts, income streams, property etc) with her judgement. She can then file against these and either garnish them or lien/seize/auction them. I am guessing this company has 0 assets and is no longer operating.

There was a case a while ago where one of the bigger banks filed a foreclosure against some guy that didn't even have a loan on his house. He successfully sued them in court and won since didn't bother sending a lawyer to defend it for a small judgement. After sending them notices to pay, trying to contact VP's and higher ups (who he tried to contact to straighten it out months ago), and getting no where, he showed up with a court deputy and started seizing shiat from a local branch. The articles said a senior person showed up with a check in like 20 minutes.

CSB-

I had a teacher who was an attorney and did some work collecting debts for the state. That has to be the most ridiculous racket ever. He got something like 50 percent of what he collected, which was substantial amounts commonly. He said if it was a business he always walked in and either went after whatever machinery would make their operations grind to a halt, or they would confiscate the receivable accounts and notice all their customers that they were to pay directly to them since they didn't have the assets to pay their debt.

If it was an individual, he would go to their house and start going through the wives jews, undergarments and other items of personal value. The entire point was never to get stuff of value, just stuff that would cause the wife to call the husband and be like you need to handle this.

Another trick he said he did was to send a check for like $20 from some random LLC they had to the person or business labelled 'refund of over payment from invoice #2363' or something equally non specific. As soon as the check was cashed they would check what account it went into and garnish the entire thing.

Why yes he was a political appointee if you were wondering.

/cbs
 
2012-04-25 11:56:12 PM

ElBarto79: If push comes to shove they will probably just declare bankruptcy


If this were any more ironic, Alanis Morrisette would be writing a song about it.
 
2012-04-26 12:01:47 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: Maybe they can do what most debt collectors do and sell their debt to another agency for pennies on the dollar. Now some other agency will owe her $1 million instead.


weirdauthor.com
 
2012-04-26 12:02:09 AM

NickelP: Another trick he said he did was to send a check for like $20 from some random LLC they had to the person or business labelled 'refund of over payment from invoice #2363' or something equally non specific. As soon as the check was cashed they would check what account it went into and garnish the entire thing.


...

Brilliant.

I would like to meet this man.
 
2012-04-26 12:03:55 AM
Irony
Is such a lonely word
'Specially when you call the debt collectors

Irony
Is always so absurd
'Cause you're always preaching to the choir when you call debt collectors
 
2012-04-26 12:06:27 AM

BiggityBanninated: Mugato: The collection agency was obviously being assholes but $10mill? Really?

Go to hell.

Seriously. Die and go to hell.

You must work for a collector.

/Are you dead yet?


Well, he IS in hell, so...
 
2012-04-26 12:08:42 AM

Infobahn: Too bad there isn't some sort of shadow group that could help this women cause them pain.

/no not Anonymous, the AVENGERS!


She could hire the A-Team, but she can't afford them because she hasn't been paid yet.
 
2012-04-26 12:10:43 AM
I'm sure the collection agency is probably based outside the country(on paper anyways) and handles their banking through the gran caymans so good luck on ever seeing a penny.
 
2012-04-26 12:10:52 AM

Ghurni: NickelP: Another trick he said he did was to send a check for like $20 from some random LLC they had to the person or business labelled 'refund of over payment from invoice #2363' or something equally non specific. As soon as the check was cashed they would check what account it went into and garnish the entire thing.

...

Brilliant.

I would like to meet this man.


He had some interesting stories but he seemed like a real asshole. Someone asked him how he got that job and his actual response was something like 'I donate a lot of money to people that win elections'.
 
2012-04-26 12:12:14 AM

Ghurni: NickelP: Another trick he said he did was to send a check for like $20 from some random LLC they had to the person or business labelled 'refund of over payment from invoice #2363' or something equally non specific. As soon as the check was cashed they would check what account it went into and garnish the entire thing.

...

Brilliant.

I would like to meet this man.


I wouldn't.

/owed money to my uni, paid it a bit late
//but they already sicced the collection agents so once a month I get a pissed off call from my mom
///told her to ignore it or to tell them I don't live there and the debt is paid off anyway, doesn't do a damn bit of good
 
2012-04-26 12:12:52 AM

NickelP: If it was an individual, he would go to their house and start going through the wives jews, undergarments and other items of personal value.


Alright Miss Frank, you're coming with me!
 
2012-04-26 12:13:44 AM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: I think the best part is that their attorney failed to show up, which I'm sure pissed the judge off and led to the $10 million judgment. Priceless. They'll be running from that for the rest of their lives; whenever they get tax refunds, they'll be taken from them. Fantastic.


You think this "company" ever paid their taxes? Probably claimed more in deductions than they made, it's pretty normal for small businesses to operate at a "loss" for accounting purposes, doubly so for those that employ barely literate felons to be their goons. The IRS is probably getting ready to file their own suit (which will have priority, unfortunately for the woman).
 
2012-04-26 12:14:09 AM

NickelP: relcec: I think there is some kind of procedure where she needs to get a lien place on their property through the state, then takes the judgement sheriffs office so he can walk in and sieze all their office equipment (computers, desks, phones, ehatever), and then the sheriff sells the shiat. it could be epic.

I am sure it varies by state, but basically she can request a copy of the companies assets (bank accounts, income streams, property etc) with her judgement. She can then file against these and either garnish them or lien/seize/auction them. I am guessing this company has 0 assets and is no longer operating.

There was a case a while ago where one of the bigger banks filed a foreclosure against some guy that didn't even have a loan on his house. He successfully sued them in court and won since didn't bother sending a lawyer to defend it for a small judgement. After sending them notices to pay, trying to contact VP's and higher ups (who he tried to contact to straighten it out months ago), and getting no where, he showed up with a court deputy and started seizing shiat from a local branch. The articles said a senior person showed up with a check in like 20 minutes.

CSB-

I had a teacher who was an attorney and did some work collecting debts for the state. That has to be the most ridiculous racket ever. He got something like 50 percent of what he collected, which was substantial amounts commonly. He said if it was a business he always walked in and either went after whatever machinery would make their operations grind to a halt, or they would confiscate the receivable accounts and notice all their customers that they were to pay directly to them since they didn't have the assets to pay their debt.

If it was an individual, he would go to their house and start going through the wives jews, undergarments and other items of personal value. The entire point was never to get stuff of value, just stuff that would cause the wife to call the husband and be like ...



Yes, I can imagine that would make her quite upset....

But she shouldn't be having slaves anyway, so I can't say I'm sorry for her.
 
2012-04-26 12:14:27 AM

NickelP: If it was an individual, he would go to their house and start going through the wives jews, undergarments and other items of personal value. The entire point was never to get stuff of value, just stuff that would cause the wife to call the husband and be like you need to handle this.


I see what you did there.
 
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