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edmo: I only travel to DC occasionally but could someone please describe where it's possible to go faster than farking 25 mph?

There are many streets where you can easily go 30-35 for stretches; K Street
if you catch the lights and its non-rush-hour.

Of course, DC has placed a speed and red-light camera right before the
Whitehurst Freeway to catch the unwary and suck in $100 tickets (they've nabbed me twice). Wellon Dowd: Washington loves a man with a spray can. [www.thegmanifesto.com image 342x262] Every now and then I can still see one of his tags. Back in the day they were all over. Especially anywhere next to the redline. Still think it was funny how one of his tags made it in the movie Invasion from Mars. The fact it's a felony to mess with one of these cameras shows you just how serious The Man is about his revenue enhancement schemes. The camera I used to see people get caught at all the time is on 395 right before it hits New York ave. If you got on it at a none rush time you could fly down it but knowing the cam was there I always went the speed limit the closer I ot. It felt like I was going in reverse. Then you would see people slam their brakes before they got to it dahmers love zombie: edmo: I only travel to DC occasionally but could someone please describe where it's possible to go faster than farking 25 mph? The Beltway around midnight. I think there's a rule that if you go slower than about eighty, other cars have the right to put you into the trees. As somebody who frequently travels the area, any time other then wish hour during the weekdays can sometimes move a bit. They get you with the cameras by having a three lane road drop from 55 to 45 for a random short stretch, then can say you"you were going over 12 mph over" for going 57 where three feet ago it was a 55 zone. But it is for your safety turntable slave: They put mobile versions of these on the highways around DC as well. I don't live in DC, but just driving by I got a ticket for$100+ for doing 9-12 over, going with the flow of traffic. fark these revenue generators. It has nothing to do with safety. These things will go once people make it known that all politicians get voted out until these things are gone.

Okay, I'll bite.
It has plenty to do with safety: Link
And that was only 5 km/h over. Your 9-12 is much worse. Its a speed "limit" not a speed "guide". Exceed the limit and you break the law. Don't bother with the "going with the flow" argument either; just because others are breaking the law does not give you the right. As to tickets/fines, thats the best way to get people to change behaviour since a warning letter simply gets ignored. I'm glad they fined you - you will be less likely to speed in the future (if you have a brain) and my roads will be safer the next time I drive.

/sticks to the speed limit
//has been fined once in 12 years, my fault for not paying attention
///fully expecting you to go full-retard at me

Wellon Dowd: Washington loves a man with a spray can.

[www.thegmanifesto.com image 342x262]

BORF LIVES!

edmo: I only travel to DC occasionally but could someone please describe where it's possible to go faster than farking 25 mph?

hint, there is more to DC than Constitution Ave and the Air and Space Museum.

Wellon Dowd: Washington loves a man with a spray can.

[www.thegmanifesto.com image 342x262]

i miss CDD - used to have a t-shirt.

Hayduke reccomends an acetylene torch.

KOOLmike: Trolljegeren: I certainly hope nobody starts drilling holes in the top of the camera housing and using a large funnel to fill the case with a slurry of hydraulic cement, because that would be awful.

Almost as bad, but easier to do, would be filling the case with a salt water solution - so, I hope nobody does this either.

I've considered several ways of rendering the cameras around here inoperable. The burning tire would be awesome. Problem is, they've got them hung about 15' high on a pole, which means either a ladder or a rifle would be needed. Both would be difficult to employ without getting caught. Rifle too noisy, ladder too time-consuming. If anyone has any suggestions, please share.

You could always try to stick a flat magnet over the lens area. It's non-destructive, can be tossed on quickly, and unlikely to get you a felony charge if caught.

KOOLmike: Trolljegeren: I certainly hope nobody starts drilling holes in the top of the camera housing and using a large funnel to fill the case with a slurry of hydraulic cement, because that would be awful.

Almost as bad, but easier to do, would be filling the case with a salt water solution - so, I hope nobody does this either.

I've considered several ways of rendering the cameras around here inoperable. The burning tire would be awesome. Problem is, they've got them hung about 15' high on a pole, which means either a ladder or a rifle would be needed. Both would be difficult to employ without getting caught. Rifle too noisy, ladder too time-consuming. If anyone has any suggestions, please share.

Cut the cables going up the pole. DON'T DO THIS!

""He's Robin Hood. He steals from the rich and gives to the poor," laughed Maury Sumes who says he has been issued tickets from the Missouri Ave. camera because it is so well hidden. The official sign warning of photo enforcement is three block away.

"I definitely appreciate the warning,"

Oh...you mean a SECOND warning. got it.

/think it's funny...
//just saying, you WERE warned.

freewill: [www.evernote.com image 300x300]

damnit! my first thought too.

atcomm1: If they are posting the camera's location the they should post signs also since these cameras are about "safety".

FTA: "Signs also warn of photo enforcement areas"

hunting rifle. hi-powered scope.

/profit?

frepnog: hunting rifle. hi-powered scope.

/profit?

Uhhh...what if you are a bad shot?

Came for Jayne reference, leaving satisfied...

/the hear of catnon, the man they call
//Jayyynnneeeeee
///Our Jayne saw the mudders backs breakin
////He heard, the people's lament...

FTFA: Maury Sumes who says he has been issued tickets from the Missouri Ave. camera because it is so well hidden.

[facepalm.jpg]

Personally I think speed cameras should be illegal. But I have no empathy for a person that honestly believes he got a ticket because he didn't see the camera. What a fu*king retard.

Gotcha Sprayers for removing wasps, not at all for defeating speed cameras.

groppet: The camera I used to see people get caught at all the time is on 395 right before it hits New York ave. If you got on it at a none rush time you could fly down it but knowing the cam was there I always went the speed limit the closer I ot. It felt like I was going in reverse. Then you would see people slam their brakes before they got to it

I've just learned to follow the Speed Limit exactly when driving in DC. Pain in the butt though on 295 where people still go significantly above the speed limit anyway. The worst section though is 395 on the Southwest Freeway because nobody goes the speed limit through there, and if I happen to be following 395 thru to New York Avenue as a thru route (it's sometimes faster to do than taking the Beltway around), it can be a pain since there are several lane changes and people like to go 10 - 15 MPH over anyway, and will pass you on both sides. Sorry, I'm not going to risk paying a $50 "toll" by keeping up with the speed of traffic in DC. I like better how Maryland does it, where the cameras don't click until 12 over the limit (except maybe in construction zones). While I'm not crazy about those, I can at least tolerate those since I don't have to drive with my eyes so closely glued to the speedometer like in DC. Another idea would be to cover a sponge in paint, wear gloves obviously, and throw the sponge at the camera lens until it is completely covered in paint. Just be sure you aren't leaking paint the whole way home or get any on yourself and you should be good. Or to be extra sneaky, cover the sponge in a clear coat, if you cover the lens in that, it would look fine from the outside, but all the pictures would show up blurry and unusable. I imagine sandpaper would achieve the same effect, a few scratches on the protecting plastic would obscure license plates. Plus you can just glue sand paper onto a long pole to reach those elevated cameras. Paintballs would work as well, but they're highly innaccurate and wash off easily. Mayhem of the Black Underclass: [www.gotchasprayer.com image 180x231] Gotcha Sprayers for removing wasps, not at all for defeating speed cameras. From the product site,"The Gotcha Sprayer also works very well for spray painting." Up to a 24' extension pole too. You could always spray this on your license plates. Any camera that uses a flash to record your plate would be overexposed, combine it with a clear license plate protector and the daylight should create enough of a glare to protect you in the absence of a flash. edmo: I only travel to DC occasionally but could someone please describe where it's possible to go faster than farking 25 mph? 50 east to 295 i think. The road looks like a 65mph highway but the limit is 45. There is ALWAYS a cop just to the left of the first bridge. The only thing that saved me is I happened to notice the odd speed limit and thought 'I know there is gonna be a speed trap here' and lo there it was. Be warned. Thermite in a terra cotta pot. Girion47: You could always spray this on your license plates. [cdn.fullsource.com image 250x250] Any camera that uses a flash to record your plate would be overexposed, combine it with a clear license plate protector and the daylight should create enough of a glare to protect you in the absence of a flash. MythBusters would like a word with you. Is there some sort of laser that you can point at these things and short out the camera iris? Something like this could be made highly affordable these days, and so basically everyone would have one and just short out any camera they saw that wasn't already shorted out. It would be like widespread normalized political disobedience. Rub out all the government surveillance cameras everywhere, faster than they will ever be able to replace them. 2wolves: Girion47: You could always spray this on your license plates. [cdn.fullsource.com image 250x250] Any camera that uses a flash to record your plate would be overexposed, combine it with a clear license plate protector and the daylight should create enough of a glare to protect you in the absence of a flash. MythBusters would like a word with you. The scientific method would like to have a word with Mythbusters. sid244: frepnog: hunting rifle. hi-powered scope. /profit? Uhhh...what if you are a bad shot? NO PROFIT FOR YOU!! Go large or go home. /Fuel Air ordinance for the win. gozar_the_destroyer: Mayhem of the Black Underclass: [www.gotchasprayer.com image 180x231] Gotcha Sprayers for removing wasps, not at all for defeating speed cameras. From the product site,"The Gotcha Sprayer also works very well for spray painting." Up to a 24' extension pole too. No one would ever misuse this product to A)Hold a can of spray paint, and B) Use that to spray onto the speed camera, please stop post ludicrous misuses for this device in this thread about defeating speed cameras. /next you'll be suggesting we could get Patrick Tribett high while he's in the prison yard, with one of these. gozar_the_destroyer: KOOLmike: Trolljegeren: I certainly hope nobody starts drilling holes in the top of the camera housing and using a large funnel to fill the case with a slurry of hydraulic cement, because that would be awful. Almost as bad, but easier to do, would be filling the case with a salt water solution - so, I hope nobody does this either. I've considered several ways of rendering the cameras around here inoperable. The burning tire would be awesome. Problem is, they've got them hung about 15' high on a pole, which means either a ladder or a rifle would be needed. Both would be difficult to employ without getting caught. Rifle too noisy, ladder too time-consuming. If anyone has any suggestions, please share. [www.plumbersurplus.com image 500x500] One of these with an extra long metal cutting blade, a face shield and insulated gloves rated for up to 240V (just in case the power arcs through you to ground) \of course this would be highly illegal and you shouldn't do it \\you could also harm yourself or others as the pole falls or you could get electrocuted \and don't leave it in the road when it is down and put some wire nuts over the exposed wires so no one else gets zapped \\it would still be dangerous and illegal (this message was meant as humor and should not be carried out as it could kill some one and even if it didn't it would be vandalism) I don't know if you've ever used a recip to cut through a large metal pole that holds an item belonging to the government, but it makes a pretty damn decent racket. And if it's a steel pole, instead of aluminum, you're gonna be there for a while, and trust me, you will look like an ass when you're halfway through when a cop car pulls up next to you. I bet some frosted scotch tape would be effective as well, it would prevent tickets and repair costs would be minimal so taxes wouldn't have to be raised to replace that which you destroyed. The cameras in DC only give a ticket if you are going more than 10mph over the speed limit. MPD publicizes the locations online and with local media outlets, every time a location is added or changed. The range of the cameras is very short, plenty of time to slow down if you are even casually watching where you are going. The boxes are all marked with a big Metro PD sticker, the floating ones are marked by an unmarked but obvious cop car, or Ford Edge parked on the side of busy roads where there is no legal parking. The city sends you a warning, no fine, the first time you are busted at a particular camera, so if you get multiple tickets at the same camera, you are an idiot. One more time, Metro PD publicizes all of the camera locations. All of them. Thats like a store marking the blind spots of their security cameras. If you can't be bothered to look online, in the newspapers, or catch the local news on one of the 4 networks, then look for the big grey box with the MPD sticker. jkl65s4: groppet: The camera I used to see people get caught at all the time is on 395 right before it hits New York ave. If you got on it at a none rush time you could fly down it but knowing the cam was there I always went the speed limit the closer I ot. It felt like I was going in reverse. Then you would see people slam their brakes before they got to it I've just learned to follow the Speed Limit exactly when driving in DC. Pain in the butt though on 295 where people still go significantly above the speed limit anyway. The worst section though is 395 on the Southwest Freeway because nobody goes the speed limit through there, and if I happen to be following 395 thru to New York Avenue as a thru route (it's sometimes faster to do than taking the Beltway around), it can be a pain since there are several lane changes and people like to go 10 - 15 MPH over anyway, and will pass you on both sides. Sorry, I'm not going to risk paying a$50 "toll" by keeping up with the speed of traffic in DC.

I like better how Maryland does it, where the cameras don't click until 12 over the limit (except maybe in construction zones). While I'm not crazy about those, I can at least tolerate those since I don't have to drive with my eyes so closely glued to the speedometer like in DC.

Yeah I do that in DC too, just go the limit. There were a few cameras on 16th st and Georgia Ave right over the boarder that used to bust people all the time. Funniest thing was when the DC government fist put up the cameras they were so broke they could only afford a few so they bought a few and a bunch of empty casings. It came to light that most of the casings were empty on the news and the DC govt was pissed.

Fuggin Bizzy: KOOLmike: Rifle too noisy, ladder too time-consuming. If anyone has any suggestions, please share.

It's lose-lose.

Mobile boom lift or scissor lift

Girion47: KOOLmike: Trolljegeren: I certainly hope nobody starts drilling holes in the top of the camera housing and using a large funnel to fill the case with a slurry of hydraulic cement, because that would be awful.

Almost as bad, but easier to do, would be filling the case with a salt water solution - so, I hope nobody does this either.

I've considered several ways of rendering the cameras around here inoperable. The burning tire would be awesome. Problem is, they've got them hung about 15' high on a pole, which means either a ladder or a rifle would be needed. Both would be difficult to employ without getting caught. Rifle too noisy, ladder too time-consuming. If anyone has any suggestions, please share.

You could always try to stick a flat magnet over the lens area. It's non-destructive, can be tossed on quickly, and unlikely to get you a felony charge if caught.

Or make an EMP grenade (bunch of huge capacitors, coil of wire over a ferromagnetic bar locked in place, timer after button press). How it works is when you press the switch, the delay timer then closes the circuit of the capacitors. Ferromagnetic bar secured in coil crushed slightly due to EM pressure, which causes a weak EMP. Or use a microwave magnetron hooked up to batteries and an inverter with the appropriate transformers.

It's invisible, and really cannot be proven, permanently wrecks the camera. Difficulty: not effective at ranges over two or three meters.

Or you could drive at the speed limit.

Naesen: Girion47: KOOLmike: Trolljegeren: I certainly hope nobody starts drilling holes in the top of the camera housing and using a large funnel to fill the case with a slurry of hydraulic cement, because that would be awful.

Almost as bad, but easier to do, would be filling the case with a salt water solution - so, I hope nobody does this either.

I've considered several ways of rendering the cameras around here inoperable. The burning tire would be awesome. Problem is, they've got them hung about 15' high on a pole, which means either a ladder or a rifle would be needed. Both would be difficult to employ without getting caught. Rifle too noisy, ladder too time-consuming. If anyone has any suggestions, please share.

You could always try to stick a flat magnet over the lens area. It's non-destructive, can be tossed on quickly, and unlikely to get you a felony charge if caught.

Or make an EMP grenade (bunch of huge capacitors, coil of wire over a ferromagnetic bar locked in place, timer after button press). How it works is when you press the switch, the delay timer then closes the circuit of the capacitors. Ferromagnetic bar secured in coil crushed slightly due to EM pressure, which causes a weak EMP. Or use a microwave magnetron hooked up to batteries and an inverter with the appropriate transformers.

It's invisible, and really cannot be proven, permanently wrecks the camera. Difficulty: not effective at ranges over two or three meters.

The microwave can go 100's of meters if you use a parabolic reflector and still cook things that are not shielded and grounded correctly. Considering that most of them use a microwave RADAR to measure the speed, good luck with that or even the EMP. Also, the size of batteries for the microwave would be sizable.

I drive on the beltway and thru DC almost daily.
I've been driving for almost 2 decades, and out of all the places I've been, DC drivers are the epitome of shiatty drivers.
They've never heard of using the turn signal, they will slam on their brakes as soon as they cut you off b/c you're now tailgating them, many of them like driving in the left lane even when they are going slower than traffic and won't move (even for cops) and like to speed in slower speed limit areas.
DC cops hand out tickets like flyers at a concert, and DC drivers refuse to change, and instead curse the cops and the government.
Any other place in the country, I'd cheer the vandalizer on, but since this is in DC, I hope they catch the asshole.

kendelrio: Couldn't you use laser pointers aimed at the eye to burn the iris?

I've wondered the same thing. CCD and CMOS image sensors are silcon chips, and subject to thermal damage. If a sufficiently powerfull laser (see wiked lasers) were to be aimed at the camera, I would expect it to burn out the sensor in short order.

This method would have several advantages: the equipment is pocket sized (easily concealed), easy to use, and can be used at a distance.

/not giving advice on vandalism, just speculating on a theoretical question.

Private_Citizen: kendelrio: Couldn't you use laser pointers aimed at the eye to burn the iris?

I've wondered the same thing. CCD and CMOS image sensors are silcon chips, and subject to thermal damage. If a sufficiently powerfull laser (see wiked lasers) were to be aimed at the camera, I would expect it to burn out the sensor in short order..

Yes they are vulnerable, but you'd mostly be drawing splotches across the sensor so you'd need to work at it awhile to do enough damage to keep it from getting readable plate numbers. A laser bright enough *WILL* cause instant eye damage, even from reflections. You could hurt yourself and any bystanders. Unless you use an IR laser, you'll also be painting a big pointer back at yourself. An IR laser would need to be even stronger because of the IR filter in front of the sensor. I'd guess a near infrared laser would work the best, but I doubt a laser is the best weapon vs. those cameras.

If a business across the street 'accidentally' points the spotlight normally lighting its sign at the speed camera so it's blinded at night, would that be wrong? It is even an offense?

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Here in Houston, regarding a speeding stop of a car traveling the speed limit: 'Well, you're driving a fast car so you must have been speeding sometime' - HPD office quote. Remember, if there is a budget shortfall it is a fine-able offense to be in sight of an officer!

spamalope: Private_Citizen: kendelrio: Couldn't you use laser pointers aimed at the eye to burn the iris?

I've wondered the same thing. CCD and CMOS image sensors are silcon chips, and subject to thermal damage. If a sufficiently powerfull laser (see wiked lasers) were to be aimed at the camera, I would expect it to burn out the sensor in short order..

Yes they are vulnerable, but you'd mostly be drawing splotches across the sensor so you'd need to work at it awhile to do enough damage to keep it from getting readable plate numbers. A laser bright enough *WILL* cause instant eye damage, even from reflections. You could hurt yourself and any bystanders. Unless you use an IR laser, you'll also be painting a big pointer back at yourself. An IR laser would need to be even stronger because of the IR filter in front of the sensor. I'd guess a near infrared laser would work the best, but I doubt a laser is the best weapon vs. those cameras.

If a business across the street 'accidentally' points the spotlight normally lighting its sign at the speed camera so it's blinded at night, would that be wrong? It is even an offense?

-----

Here in Houston, regarding a speeding stop of a car traveling the speed limit: 'Well, you're driving a fast car so you must have been speeding sometime' - HPD office quote. Remember, if there is a budget shortfall it is a fine-able offense to be in sight of an officer!

Hmm, seems like you're thinking of the 5mW or less pointers. Wiked Lasers sells 1000mW lasers. You can cut electrical tape with a 90mW laser, so I imagine a 1W laser would make short work of a CMOS or CCD chip. As for reflections, just be sure you're below it, then any reflected beam is aimed up (and away from your fragile eye - but hopefully not at a passing airliner).

Laser might not be ideal, but for the aspiring speed camera vandal, it beats carrying a 16' ladder, a cordless drill with metal cutting bit, a sack of hydraulic cement, a mixing tub, funnel and 5 gallon jerry can of water.

Great quote BTW, I'll steal that if you don't mind.

Narcischizm: If you can't be bothered to look online, in the newspapers, or catch the local news on one of the 4 networks, then look for the big grey box with the MPD sticker.

Or how about paying attention to the signs placed about 3 blocks before each camera that say that there's a camera up ahead.

Private_Citizen: spamalope: Private_Citizen: kendelrio: Couldn't you use laser pointers aimed at the eye to burn the iris?

I've wondered the same thing. CCD and CMOS image sensors are silcon chips, and subject to thermal damage. If a sufficiently powerfull laser (see wiked lasers) were to be aimed at the camera, I would expect it to burn out the sensor in short order..

Yes they are vulnerable, but you'd mostly be drawing splotches across the sensor so you'd need to work at it awhile to do enough damage to keep it from getting readable plate numbers. A laser bright enough *WILL* cause instant eye damage, even from reflections. You could hurt yourself and any bystanders. Unless you use an IR laser, you'll also be painting a big pointer back at yourself. An IR laser would need to be even stronger because of the IR filter in front of the sensor. I'd guess a near infrared laser would work the best, but I doubt a laser is the best weapon vs. those cameras.

If a business across the street 'accidentally' points the spotlight normally lighting its sign at the speed camera so it's blinded at night, would that be wrong? It is even an offense?

-----

Here in Houston, regarding a speeding stop of a car traveling the speed limit: 'Well, you're driving a fast car so you must have been speeding sometime' - HPD office quote. Remember, if there is a budget shortfall it is a fine-able offense to be in sight of an officer!

Hmm, seems like you're thinking of the 5mW or less pointers. Wiked Lasers sells 1000mW lasers. You can cut electrical tape with a 90mW laser, so I imagine a 1W laser would make short work of a CMOS or CCD chip. As for reflections, just be sure you're below it, then any reflected beam is aimed up (and away from your fragile eye - but hopefully not at a passing airliner).

Laser might not be ideal, but for the aspiring speed camera vandal, it beats carrying a 16' ladder, a cordless drill with metal cutting bit, a sack of hydraulic cement, a mixing tub, funnel and 5 gallon jerry ca ...

I'll just leave this here.

Trolljegeren: Private_Citizen: spamalope: Private_Citizen: kendelrio: . . . . .I'll just leave this here.

And maybe this, too.

KOOLmike: Trolljegeren: I certainly hope nobody starts drilling holes in the top of the camera housing and using a large funnel to fill the case with a slurry of hydraulic cement, because that would be awful.

Almost as bad, but easier to do, would be filling the case with a salt water solution - so, I hope nobody does this either.

I've considered several ways of rendering the cameras around here inoperable. The burning tire would be awesome. Problem is, they've got them hung about 15' high on a pole, which means either a ladder or a rifle would be needed. Both would be difficult to employ without getting caught. Rifle too noisy, ladder too time-consuming. If anyone has any suggestions, please share.

Paintball gun? Just speculating, not suggesting anything.

Trolljegeren: Trolljegeren: Private_Citizen: spamalope: Private_Citizen: kendelrio: . . . . .I'll just leave this here.

And maybe this, too.

The first site you posted looks like a challenge for the Mythbusters. The second one is a good way to cook birds in mid air.

cousndick: I drive on the beltway and thru DC almost daily.
I've been driving for almost 2 decades, and out of all the places I've been, DC drivers are the epitome of shiatty drivers.
They've never heard of using the turn signal, they will slam on their brakes as soon as they cut you off b/c you're now tailgating them, many of them like driving in the left lane even when they are going slower than traffic and won't move (even for cops) and like to speed in slower speed limit areas.
DC cops hand out tickets like flyers at a concert, and DC drivers refuse to change, and instead curse the cops and the government.
Any other place in the country, I'd cheer the vandalizer on, but since this is in DC, I hope they catch the asshole.

I am afraid when in the car with a DC driver. They way they drive they treat signs as opinions that they might obey if anyone is around. Especially those "Dont block the box" signs (I want to get one of those) around K street. And at my old job when I would bring the cars in for maintainece I could tell the ones the DC drivers were in. Garbage all over, smelled of god knows what and a few dents or scratches on it.

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