OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I voted for Obama (regrettably) and served under him and bush.

You think Mccain would have been better?

Not impressed, isn't it?

Dubai Vol

Guess why the US does not use an autoloading cannon on the M1. Go ahead, guess.

Ammo storage & ammo/crew "cookoff/ronson" issues?

Okie_Gunslinger: jjwars1: Not following orders is kinda sorta a big deal in the military.

I understand that but this just seems like an overreaction to some guy who was just running his mouth. That said I imagine they are bringing the hammer down on him to show that that kind of attitude will not be tolerated.

If he'd been running his mouth, in, say, the barracks, or a bar off-post...no problem.
Griping is a time-honored tradition in the military, regardless of who's in office.

Take it that extra step...or four or five steps, like this derptard seems to have done...and you're asking for trouble.

DuX: Dubai Vol

Guess why the US does not use an autoloading cannon on the M1. Go ahead, guess.

Ammo storage & ammo/crew "cookoff/ronson" issues?

No. The US does not use auto-loaders because if the system fails in battle you cannot exactly pull over a fix it. If a member of the crew dies another can take over in seconds.

When the recruiter says you are now government property after signing the forms, they're not joking.

9beers: Apparently this was the full message.

"As an active duty Marine, I say 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow all orders from him, Will do my job better then the next guy ... But has [sic] for saluting Obama as commander-in-chief ... I will not. Your [sic] right it said to defend the 'I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic' Obama is the economic enemy ... He is the religious enemy ... He is the 'fundamentally change' America enemy ... He IS the Domestic Enemy."

Sounds more like he was going for a section 8.

gothelder: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I voted for Obama (regrettably) and served under him and bush.

You think Mccain would have been better?

No - but tacking that on makes him feel smart.

So much anger towards a president who has done nothing very radical and done an admirable job in all respects. I wonder if it was fox's shiat spewing that poisoned his brain or if he was just another red-neck racist.

WaffleStomper: But he can get on there and tell the world how he likes to have his boyfriend fark him up the keister.

What a twisted farked up world we live in today.

Yes, save us from the freedom to do things you don't like.

gaslight: Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

It does, actually. Freedom from speech without freedom from consequences is worthless.

Anybody in the 1930s USSR was free to say whatever they wanted as long as they didn't mind the consequences.

redhook: Zizzowop: I still don't understand what the limits to speech were, he posted his rants didn't he?

He disrespected a superior (the Commander in Chief).

I know, so how was his speech limited-no one stopped him from saying it. He always had the right to say whatever he said.

Let's try a bit of trolling!
What would happen if a soldier refused to waterboard?
It is ilegal in the Geneva convention, but W ignored it and ordered it anyway.
Court-martial or not?

My bet would be on worl of shiat for the soldier, with no mention why, but I never served, so, it's just my opinion

9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.

Read the article moron.

9beers: During a hearing, a military prosecutor submitted screen grabs of Stein's postings on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, which the prosecutor said included the image of Obama on a "Jackass" movie poster. Stein also superimposed Obama's image on a poster for "The Incredibles" movie that he changed to "The Horribles," military prosecutor Capt. John Torresala said.

I'm changing my opinion, screw this asshole, he got what he deserved. I originally thought this was all over a single post.

Woah, this is a historic moment. You actually read the article, and changed your mind. Good job.

namatad [TotalFark]

"I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Hypothetically, what can or should a soldier do if they truly believe the President is a domestic enemy? Like in "They Live", for example?

There's no order to which comes first if there's overlap; defend the consitution, do what the President says, or do what his CO says.

Mixolydian Master: redhook: Mixolydian Master: foo monkey: This guy was enlisted. He's not allowed to decide if an order is legal or not. Only officers can do that.

Actually he was an NCO. Yes there is a huge difference.

I hope they gave this clown a swift kick in the ass when he was on his way out the door.

9beers: Apparently this was the full message.

"As an active duty Marine, I say 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow all orders from him, Will do my job better then the next guy ... But has [sic] for saluting Obama as commander-in-chief ... I will not. Your [sic] right it said to defend the 'I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic' Obama is the economic enemy ... He is the religious enemy ... He is the 'fundamentally change' America enemy ... He IS the Domestic Enemy."

Or perhaps they should shoot his ass for treason.

9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.


It's not like he said that and they went all "off with his head" about it. He failed to walk it back when given the opportunity, and instead doubled-down and got all "you can't make me!" about it.


FTA - "Tom Umberg, a former Army colonel and military prosecutor, said Stein persisted even after being warned.
"The Marine Corps gave him the opportunity to think about his actions, yet Sgt. Stein continued to undermine the chain of command," said Umberg, who was not involved in Stein's case. "I think his purpose was to leave the Marine Corps in a dramatic fashion in order to begin a career in talk radio or what have you."


This is war time, and there have been a rash of these dipshiats. That doesn't fly in the military. The chain of command is pretty much sacred and anyone who starts getting all mutiny-ish can pretty much expect to be smacked down. So, I think they had to start making an example of them to discourage other would-be Tea Party heroes from trading on their position in the military to publicly treat the commander in chief like a punk in hopes of right-wing fame.

Hell, I couldn't go on facebook and get all "eff my boss, I don't have to do what he says. I WON"T do what he says." And I'm just in TV where ain't nobody gettin' shot... AND I've got a really laid back boss.

During and before Bush's Iraqi Adventure, you got called unpatriotic, traitor, or un-American if you criticized the president.

Good times, good times...

Gecko Gingrich: JerseyTim: I don't. The dumbass tag is for the guy.

I've heard far too many Republicans claim -- with a straight face -- that Sgt. Stein got railroaded and his rights were trampled to believe that subby wasn't being serious.

The only reason Republicans are supporting this guy is because a Democrat is CNC, and it is an election year.

Dont be dumb enough to believe that roles wouldn't be reversed if a Republican were CNC. Quit falling for the left vs. right soap opera. Look at the Jon Stewart episode of SCOTUS and health care reform, these clowns stand for nothing. One day judges are protecting the constitution, the next they are activist judges.

9beers: Apparently this was the full message.

"As an active duty Marine, I say 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow all orders from him, Will do my job better then the next guy ... But has [sic] for saluting Obama as commander-in-chief ... I will not. Your [sic] right it said to defend the 'I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic' Obama is the economic enemy ... He is the religious enemy ... He is the 'fundamentally change' America enemy ... He IS the Domestic Enemy."

Right so... I will not obey the orders of the person at the top of the chain of command furthermore I consider my CiC to BE the enemy which we need to defend against with military force.

Assuming that's correct some grunt, who is probably too retarded to realise EXACTLY what he's just said, is actively engaged in raising support for a military coup.

I'll take "What is treason?" for £500 Alex. I assume he's up for the death penalty or has his derp saved him?

Once the war against Saddam Hussein begins, we expect every American to support our military, and if you can't do that, just shut up. Americans, and indeed our foreign allies, who actively work against our military once the war is underway, will be considered enemies of the state by me. Just fair warning to you, Barbara Streisand and others who see the world as you do. I don't want to demonize anyone, but anyone who hurts this country in a time like this, well - let's just say you will be spotlighted.

-- The O'Reilly Factor (Fox News), 26 February 2003

xanadian: gaslight: I'm in the private sector, and if I badmouth my boss in public, I'd expect to get sacked.

And were done here.

Anyone who expects anything different from their place of employment--Federal, private, military, or whatever--is a moran who's just waiting to end up on the unemployment line.

Non-military government, though, is different.

Jake Havechek: Once the war against Saddam Hussein begins, we expect every American to support our military, and if you can't do that, just shut up. Americans, and indeed our foreign allies, who actively work against our military once the war is underway, will be considered enemies of the state by me. Just fair warning to you, Barbara Streisand and others who see the world as you do. I don't want to demonize anyone, but anyone who hurts this country in a time like this, well - let's just say you will be spotlighted.

-- The O'Reilly Factor (Fox News), 26 February 2003

Further proof that far too many retards get far too much air time in America.

jso2897: 9beers: Apparently this was the full message.

"As an active duty Marine, I say 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow all orders from him, Will do my job better then the next guy ... But has [sic] for saluting Obama as commander-in-chief ... I will not. Your [sic] right it said to defend the 'I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic' Obama is the economic enemy ... He is the religious enemy ... He is the 'fundamentally change' America enemy ... He IS the Domestic Enemy."

Sounds more like he was going for a section 8.

No, just sounds like your typical tea-tard. Better off shoving him back in the hole he crawled out of.

blacksharpiemarker: NOT NEWS: Soldiers with a brain realizes that blindly taking orders doesn't always mean serving in the best interests of his country, is punished to serve as an example to others who might like to get bright ideas. OBEY.

But... the Bradley Manning case IS newsworthy.

drewbob:
But... the Bradley Manning case IS newsworthy.

Agreed and for a number of reasons.

9beers: During a hearing, a military prosecutor submitted screen grabs of Stein's postings on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, which the prosecutor said included the image of Obama on a "Jackass" movie poster. Stein also superimposed Obama's image on a poster for "The Incredibles" movie that he changed to "The Horribles," military prosecutor Capt. John Torresala said.

I'm changing my opinion, screw this asshole, he got what he deserved. I originally thought this was all over a single post.

glad i scrolled down from your BOOOBBBBBBS in the thread because i was going "okay 9beers... come on... read the whole thing".

yeah. sorry dumbass ex-military guy. i respect and appreciate what people who voluntarily enlist do for the country, because i am too much of a puss to do it myself.

but ya still gotta treat it like a job. don't diss da boss. or photoshop da boss.

Another brilliant post from the Moron Core Stein:
"Buy all the guns you can while you still can. We are fast approaching the stage (if we are not already there) where revolution will be the only way to restore this nation. Yes, I said it. Did you get that, Big Brother? I will not allow my three sons to fight in this country's unconstitutional, preemptive wars, but I will put them on the front lines to fight against this immoral, totalitarian, communist government! Bring it on".

Why a tea party member would want to join a socialist system like the armed forces is beyond me.

taurusowner: This thread is hilarious. So many people who are saying this is a good thing are the same people who defended soldiers who criticized Bush and said they would refuse to deploy because Bush started an "illegal war".

Military members bad mouthing Republican presidents = good
Military members bad mouthing Democrat presidents = bad

Gotcha.

I have a freind of mine who was in the Navy and has been out for a while now. Even while not serving he will not criticize a sitting CiC. He waited until Bush was officially out of office before he went on a 20 minute tirade about what the thought was wrong with his presidiency. We asked him how long he had been holding that in and he said 8 years...
Having never served I cannot speak from experience but he is the CiC love him or hate him as I understand it you cannot nor should you criticize him while In uniform or on duty
As a private citizen blast to your hearts content its your constitutional right just dont do it as if your rank and job share your opinions.

WaffleStomper: But he can get on there and tell the world how he likes to have his boyfriend fark him up the keister.

What a twisted farked up world we live in today.

Insurbordination and disobeying direct orders from one's immediate superiors (let alone the Commander in Chief) has always been grounds for dismissal, has it not? Identifying your comments as if they representative of the armed forces and not personal opinion is grounds for a reprimand, is it not? This dude was warned multiple times, and represented his opinion as if he officially spoke for the military. You can't do that.

If he felt that strongly, he had three options:
- suck it up and shut up
- leave the military
- stage a coup

Which option(s) is (are) the professional and best option(s) to take? Why didn't he take any of them?

ExperianScaresCthulhu:
If he felt that strongly, he had three options:
- suck it up and shut up
- leave the military
- stage a coup
Which option(s) is (are) the professional and best option(s) to take? Why didn't he take any of them?


Because DESCENT is highest form of PATRIOTISM!

The chain of command structure in the military makes it an imperative to follow the orders regardless of the source. The commander in chief obviously has the highest authority, therefore this dumbass was refusing to follow orders.

If the Army had wanted you to have a wife, they would have issued you one.

Vaneshi: Jake Havechek: Once the war against Saddam Hussein begins, we expect every American to support our military, and if you can't do that, just shut up. Americans, and indeed our foreign allies, who actively work against our military once the war is underway, will be considered enemies of the state by me. Just fair warning to you, Barbara Streisand and others who see the world as you do. I don't want to demonize anyone, but anyone who hurts this country in a time like this, well - let's just say you will be spotlighted.

-- The O'Reilly Factor (Fox News), 26 February 2003

Further proof that far too many retards get far too much air time in America.

Looks good but not quite the same. That quote specifies the military, not the Commander in Chief. This dude in the story didn't have an issue with the military, he had an issue with Obama and believes he is not eligible to serve because he's a foreigner and a muslim. He's a proud Tea Partier. Can you find a quote about supporting the president no matter what, from a pro Tea Partier?

gothelder: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I voted for Obama (regrettably) and served under him and bush.

You think Mccain would have been better?

You know who else thought McCain would have been better?

ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Looks good but not quite the same. That quote specifies the military, not the Commander in Chief. This dude in the story didn't have an issue with the military, he had an issue with Obama and believes he is not eligible to serve because he's a foreigner and a muslim. He's a proud Tea Partier. Can you find a quote about supporting the president no matter what, from a pro Tea Partier?

Commander in Chief is a military office. Therefore the dude in the story did have an issue with the military. Stein's psychotic beliefs do not make his actions honorable. Furthermore, what does a the Commander in Chief's religion have to do with anything? Stein may have been a proud Tea Partier, but he failed to be a proud Marine.

natas6.0: I know that nobody gave a damn when it was bush in office
but apparently now they do.

Bullshiat.

gaslight [TotalFark]
2012-04-25 06:08:20 PM

Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

I'm in the private sector, and if I badmouth my boss in public, I'd expect to get sacked. I see no reason why the military should be any different. I am sure, however, he'll go to his grave howling about mean and nasty other people were to him. I wonder when he'll be running for election under the GOP banner?

I agree with the first half of your post, but I don't for a moment believe that those supporting him being s-canned would for a second hold the same opinion if it was bush he was bashing. This thread would be filled with bush is hitler posts and pictures.

Esn: gaslight: Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

It does, actually. Freedom from speech without freedom from consequences is worthless.

Anybody in the 1930s USSR was free to say whatever they wanted as long as they didn't mind the consequences.

Good point. The distinction between speech and consequences is a sophism that people opportunistically make in these sort of arguments. The truth is, we don't have freedom of speech. We have a certain amount of freedom of speech. A right that you can sign away is not an absolute right, for starters.