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2012-04-25 06:08:20 PM
Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

I'm in the private sector, and if I badmouth my boss in public, I'd expect to get sacked. I see no reason why the military should be any different. I am sure, however, he'll go to his grave howling about mean and nasty other people were to him. I wonder when he'll be running for election under the GOP banner?
 
2012-04-25 06:20:33 PM
Who knew?

Every service member who bothers to read the rules of conduct that they must adhere to while serving.
 
2012-04-25 06:24:10 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Who knew?

Every service member who bothers to read the rules of conduct that they must adhere to while serving.


This, failmitter.
 
2012-04-25 06:26:11 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Who knew?

Every service member who bothers to read the rules of conduct that they must adhere to while serving.


Yah, there's like a book they make you read and everything. UCMJ muthafarker, did you read it?
 
2012-04-25 06:32:11 PM

HipShot: Gecko Gingrich: Who knew?

Every service member who bothers to read the rules of conduct that they must adhere to while serving.

This, failmitter.


I think the submitter was being facetious.
 
2012-04-25 06:32:57 PM

gaslight: I'm in the private sector, and if I badmouth my boss in public, I'd expect to get sacked.


Yep, and again, STOP USING FACEBOOK AS YOUR PERSONAL DIARY! Facebook is not a diary, it's not personal, it's not secret, and it will get you fired if you treat it as such.

www.hudsonhorizons.com
 
2012-04-25 06:33:10 PM

RexTalionis: I think the submitter was being facetious.


I doubt it.
 
2012-04-25 06:36:06 PM

Gecko Gingrich: RexTalionis: I think the submitter was being facetious.

I doubt it.


I don't. The dumbass tag is for the guy.
 
2012-04-25 06:47:09 PM

JerseyTim: I don't. The dumbass tag is for the guy.


I've heard far too many Republicans claim -- with a straight face -- that Sgt. Stein got railroaded and his rights were trampled to believe that subby wasn't being serious.
 
2012-04-25 07:24:59 PM
Those who thought submitter was serious?

t.imgbox.com

I think yours are broken.

/Not subby
 
2012-04-25 08:15:15 PM
starcasm.net
Your heart belongs to Jesus, but your ass belongs to ME!

/that is all
 
2012-04-25 08:31:21 PM

Gecko Gingrich: JerseyTim: I don't. The dumbass tag is for the guy.

I've heard far too many Republicans claim -- with a straight face -- that Sgt. Stein got railroaded and his rights were trampled to believe that subby wasn't being serious.


I read enough sarcasm on the internet to recognize it when I see it.
 
2012-04-25 08:43:26 PM
Just ask Douglas MacArthur.
 
2012-04-25 09:03:01 PM

NewportBarGuy: Just ask Douglas MacArthur.


Big time

Probably cost him a shot at the presidency.
 
2012-04-25 09:26:53 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Who knew?

Every service member who bothers to read the rules of conduct that they must adhere to while serving.


Pretty much.

scottydoesntknow: gaslight: I'm in the private sector, and if I badmouth my boss in public, I'd expect to get sacked.

Yep, and again, STOP USING FACEBOOK AS YOUR PERSONAL DIARY! Facebook is not a diary, it's not personal, it's not secret, and it will get you fired if you treat it as such.

[www.hudsonhorizons.com image 463x293]


Even more so.
 
2012-04-25 09:33:56 PM

Gecko Gingrich: JerseyTim: I don't. The dumbass tag is for the guy.

I've heard far too many Republicans claim -- with a straight face -- that Sgt. Stein got railroaded and his rights were trampled to believe that subby wasn't being serious.


Protip:

The phrase "Who knew?" universally indicates sarcasm among literate people.
 
2012-04-25 10:05:14 PM

gaslight: I wonder when he'll be running for election under the GOP banner?



gaslight: I wonder when he'll be running for election under the GOP banner?



gaslight: I wonder when he'll be running for election under the GOP banner?




gaslight: I wonder when he'll be running for election under the GOP banner?

==

Next midterm election if President Obama is re-elected.

You heard it here first.
 
2012-04-25 10:10:09 PM
Well at least now he has plenty of free time to express his little exceptional self.
 
2012-04-25 10:25:15 PM

Babwa Wawa: Gecko Gingrich: JerseyTim: I don't. The dumbass tag is for the guy.

I've heard far too many Republicans claim -- with a straight face -- that Sgt. Stein got railroaded and his rights were trampled to believe that subby wasn't being serious.

Protip:

The phrase "Who knew?" universally indicates sarcasm among literate people.


Who knew?
 
2012-04-25 11:22:02 PM
"Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.
 
2012-04-25 11:23:36 PM

gaslight: I'm in the private sector, and if I badmouth my boss in public, I'd expect to get sacked.


And were done here.

Anyone who expects anything different from their place of employment--Federal, private, military, or whatever--is a moran who's just waiting to end up on the unemployment line.
 
2012-04-25 11:25:34 PM

9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.


Or make him watch the new Avenger's movie.

i44.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-25 11:26:05 PM
What was it that Ted Nugent said while he was serving active duty in Vietnam?
 
2012-04-25 11:26:06 PM

9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.



I agree some sort of reprimand is in order but discharging him for a flippant remark seems needless. My guess is that they wanted to make an example of him.
 
2012-04-25 11:27:04 PM
I can tell you this, when i was gonna join the service in 1988 they laid this out for me....
 
2012-04-25 11:27:46 PM
Phoney Soldiers 2: Electric Bugaboo
 
2012-04-25 11:29:11 PM
NOT NEWS: Soldiers with a brain realizes that blindly taking orders doesn't always mean serving in the best interests of his country, is punished to serve as an example to others who might like to get bright ideas. OBEY.
 
2012-04-25 11:30:22 PM
Hit the bricks, ex-jarhead.

FTFA: ""As long as he wants to pursue this, we will be supporting him," said Kreep, who is executive director of the United States Justice Foundation, an advocacy group."

Who is the United States Justice Foundation?
 
2012-04-25 11:30:34 PM

Okie_Gunslinger: 9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.


I agree some sort of reprimand is in order but discharging him for a flippant remark seems needless. My guess is that they wanted to make an example of him.


Not following orders is kinda sorta a big deal in the military.
 
2012-04-25 11:31:13 PM
OTH even. Ouch.
 
2012-04-25 11:31:51 PM
Pentagon directives say military personnel in uniform cannot sponsor a political club; participate in any TV or radio program or group discussion that advocates for or against a political party, candidate or cause; or speak at any event promoting a political movement.

So?
Maybe he was making those posts while wearing his Hello Kitty speedos instead of his uniform.
 
2012-04-25 11:31:55 PM

9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.


know how I know you didn't read the rest of the article?
 
2012-04-25 11:31:59 PM
Apparently this was the full message.

"As an active duty Marine, I say 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow all orders from him, Will do my job better then the next guy ... But has [sic] for saluting Obama as commander-in-chief ... I will not. Your [sic] right it said to defend the 'I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic' Obama is the economic enemy ... He is the religious enemy ... He is the 'fundamentally change' America enemy ... He IS the Domestic Enemy."
 
2012-04-25 11:32:45 PM

blacksharpiemarker: NOT NEWS: Soldiers with a brain realizes that blindly taking orders doesn't always mean serving in the best interests of his country, is punished to serve as an example to others who might like to get bright ideas. OBEY.


Meh. Not enough references to socialism.
 
2012-04-25 11:33:23 PM

9beers: Apparently this was the full message.

"As an active duty Marine, I say 'Screw Obama' and I will not follow all orders from him, Will do my job better then the next guy ... But has [sic] for saluting Obama as commander-in-chief ... I will not. Your [sic] right it said to defend the 'I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic' Obama is the economic enemy ... He is the religious enemy ... He is the 'fundamentally change' America enemy ... He IS the Domestic Enemy."


FIRED!
 
2012-04-25 11:33:35 PM

jjwars1: Okie_Gunslinger: 9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.


I agree some sort of reprimand is in order but discharging him for a flippant remark seems needless. My guess is that they wanted to make an example of him.

Not following orders is kinda sorta a big deal in the military.


WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY?
 
2012-04-25 11:34:58 PM

9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.


Okie_Gunslinger: 9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.


I agree some sort of reprimand is in order but discharging him for a flippant remark seems needless. My guess is that they wanted to make an example of him.


The issue is the statement I've bolded. Saying you intend to disobey lawful orders from your chain of command is a very, very serious breach of military discipline. And the President is right at the top. The armed forces have NO room for servicemembers that won't obey lawful orders.
 
2012-04-25 11:35:23 PM
You do not diss those of a rank higher than you and you do not diss the commander in chief no matter who he or she is.
 
2012-04-25 11:35:35 PM
"The Marine Corps gave him the opportunity to think about his actions, yet Sgt. Stein continued to undermine the chain of command,"

When you CO tells you to shut the fark up, and you don't, then I can pretty much guarantee you're going to get in some deep shiat.
 
2012-04-25 11:36:22 PM

9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.


Breakdown in discipline is pretty much the worst thing that can happen to a military unit. Bragging that one will not follow orders from the commander in chief is bad for discipline. Discipline is what allows the military to do what it does.

" A practitioner of what Hackworth calls "the Old Army's exacting discipline," Prazenka had his troops up at 0500. They double-timed six miles before breakfast and did an hour of close-order drill, which Prazenka felt would instill discipline that would prevent chaos on the battlefield.

"When I say move, you move. When I say stop, you stop. When I say 'knock out that machine gun', you knock out that machine gun." " - Col. David Hackworth, About Face
 
2012-04-25 11:36:32 PM
During a hearing, a military prosecutor submitted screen grabs of Stein's postings on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, which the prosecutor said included the image of Obama on a "Jackass" movie poster. Stein also superimposed Obama's image on a poster for "The Incredibles" movie that he changed to "The Horribles," military prosecutor Capt. John Torresala said.

I'm changing my opinion, screw this asshole, he got what he deserved. I originally thought this was all over a single post.
 
2012-04-25 11:36:50 PM
He actually said he would not obey the orders of the Commander in Chief. But he took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.
 
2012-04-25 11:37:25 PM

rikkidoxx: You do not diss those of a rank higher than you and you do not diss the commander in chief no matter who he or she is.


Don't you libtards ever get tired of censoring protected political free speech? I bet you even supported LT Watada, didn't you? DIDN'T YOU?
 
2012-04-25 11:37:30 PM

jjwars1: Not following orders is kinda sorta a big deal in the military.


I understand that but this just seems like an overreaction to some guy who was just running his mouth. That said I imagine they are bringing the hammer down on him to show that that kind of attitude will not be tolerated.
 
2012-04-25 11:38:05 PM

Okie_Gunslinger: 9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.


I agree some sort of reprimand is in order but discharging him for a flippant remark seems needless. My guess is that they wanted to make an example of him.


From what I've read, he was warned more than once to quit with the public political speech, and chose to keep doing it.
 
2012-04-25 11:39:11 PM

9beers: During a hearing, a military prosecutor submitted screen grabs of Stein's postings on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, which the prosecutor said included the image of Obama on a "Jackass" movie poster. Stein also superimposed Obama's image on a poster for "The Incredibles" movie that he changed to "The Horribles," military prosecutor Capt. John Torresala said.

I'm changing my opinion, screw this asshole, he got what he deserved. I originally thought this was all over a single post.


Guys......9beers just admit he's wrong. I'm scared. Someone hold me.
 
2012-04-25 11:39:14 PM

I vagely remember that when George W Bush was President and he led us to so many wars, that Republicans would babble on about disrespecting Bush was Disrespecting the Presidency and America as well and soldiers who believed the Iraq war was wrong could not disrespect the Commander in Chief like that. But now that the President is a black man I guess all bets are off.


For some reason I expected the soldiers would have a bigger punishment. I think he should be happy he only lost his benefits and received a less than honorable discharge.

 
2012-04-25 11:40:42 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Who knew?

Every service member who bothers to read the rules of conduct that they must adhere to while serving.


I learned a thing or two about it when I went through USAF Officer Training School.
 
2012-04-25 11:41:13 PM
That was made clear to me when I joined the reserves. Until you released to were withheld to military law. Some that I met in the regular force compared it to prison.
 
2012-04-25 11:41:22 PM

soupbone: 9beers: "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."

That's a pretty weak reason for taking a soldiers career away. Some extra duty, restrictions or maybe an Article 15 would have been more appropriate.

Or make him watch the new Avenger's movie.

[i44.tinypic.com image 640x79]


People are taking screen shots of what everything 9beers says now?
hehe 'ham wallet'
 
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