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2012-04-25 09:49:53 PM  
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2012-04-25 09:55:18 PM  
I put out a can with sand in it for my chain smoking neighbor to use, got tired of the butts being flung into my garden. Dagburn it, doncha know that that can has caught fire a few times, used the garden hose to put it out-kind've afraid what might happen if I'm not home one day....he's also a drunk...so not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer...
 
2012-04-25 09:57:21 PM  
If only there was a device made out of something non flammable, like glass, plastic or metal, that could be used to put out these cigarettes. Some type of tray if you will.

www.webstaurantstore.com!
 
2012-04-25 09:58:13 PM  
waiting for the whaargarbl from smokers crying about how much it sucks they can't smoke inside and pollute everyone else's lungs because non smokers are crybaby wimps.
 
2012-04-25 10:00:58 PM  
But less people are dying of lung cancer, so I guess it's all going to even out in the end.
 
2012-04-25 10:01:20 PM  
Hey assholes, stop throwing your butts out the car window.
 
2012-04-25 10:02:12 PM  
Fred Jones was worn out from caring for his often screaming and crying wife during the day but he couldn't sleep at night for fear that in a stupor from the drugs that didn't ease the pain would set the house ablaze with a cigarette.
 
2012-04-25 10:07:10 PM  

tjsands1118: If only there was a device made out of something non flammable, like glass, plastic or metal, that could be used to put out these cigarettes. Some type of tray if you will.

[www.webstaurantstore.com image 300x300]!


I do have to say as a former smoker that devices like that are useless for outdoor smoking. They'll get picked up by the wind, or the lit cherry will get picked up by the wind.

Best solutions? Those HUGE sand-filled things. OR, a large metal coffee can with about 3 inches of sand in the bottom of it (for personal use). But if they're not emptied often, they'll catch fire.
 
2012-04-25 10:07:13 PM  

NASAM: Hey assholes, stop throwing your butts out the car window.


Remember the good old days, when cars came with a built-in ashtray?

Every time someone in front of me tosses a lit one out of the window, I can't help but be overcome with an irrational fear that my car is going to immediately go up like something out of a Michael Bay film. Then I take a deep breath, and realize that the worst thing that could really happen is only a couple thousand acres going up in flames, but at least I'll be long gone.
 
2012-04-25 10:11:35 PM  

Artist: I put out a can with sand in it for my chain smoking neighbor to use, got tired of the butts being flung into my garden. Dagburn it, doncha know that that can has caught fire a few times, used the garden hose to put it out-kind've afraid what might happen if I'm not home one day....he's also a drunk...so not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer...


Dude. Sorry, man. Job sucks. Wife's a biatch. Kids are shiat. Sorry man.
 
2012-04-25 10:11:47 PM  

octopied: waiting for the whaargarbl from smokers crying about how much it sucks they can't smoke inside and pollute everyone else's lungs because non smokers are crybaby wimps.


I'll oblige. Ever since KC enacted the smoking ban, the smaller bars are all but dead. Seriously, all the cool people that hung at these places must have been smokers.
Around the same time, KC had an entertainment district built downtown, that is basically a city block lined with all these fancy bars, clubs, and restaurants. In the middle of this place is an outdoor courtyard where they sell drinks, play music, and where smoking is allowed. Wouldn't you know it-- that courtyard is the most happening place in town at night. Place is slappin'! Even the non-smokers hang there because it's simply the place to be. We just had to ban smoking all over the city, and now the most popular location is the place with the best outdoor smoking accomodations.

Meanwhile, Mr. Small Bar Owner's bar sits dead as a doornail. So fark you and your smoking ban!
 
2012-04-25 10:22:05 PM  
Man what are you drivin'? There's been no asbestos in brake linings for decades.
 
2012-04-25 10:22:30 PM  
www.chdist.com

The office where I work has similar butt catchers to this. Of course no one ever empties them so when they're stuffed and someone shoves yet another coal into there, the thing smoulders like hell and eventually catches on fire.

Just empty the damned thing once in a while, you farking prima donnas.
 
2012-04-25 10:24:56 PM  

Rufus Lee King: I'm getting tired of breathing in all the asbestos from the brake lining of cars while I'm downtown. New law: no one can apply their brakes while in heavy traffic. That'll work.


It'll kill at least as many people as smoking!
 
2012-04-25 10:28:48 PM  
My job actually put up gazebos for the express purpose of a place to smoke in. 6 of them, all around the building. There are still asshats who smoke right in front of the entrance doors and they always seem to blow a big lungful of smoke out right when I go in the door.
 
2012-04-25 10:31:20 PM  

KOOLmike: octopied: waiting for the whaargarbl from smokers crying about how much it sucks they can't smoke inside and pollute everyone else's lungs because non smokers are crybaby wimps.

I'll oblige. Ever since KC enacted the smoking ban, the smaller bars are all but dead. Seriously, all the cool people that hung at these places must have been smokers.
Around the same time, KC had an entertainment district built downtown, that is basically a city block lined with all these fancy bars, clubs, and restaurants. In the middle of this place is an outdoor courtyard where they sell drinks, play music, and where smoking is allowed. Wouldn't you know it-- that courtyard is the most happening place in town at night. Place is slappin'! Even the non-smokers hang there because it's simply the place to be. We just had to ban smoking all over the city, and now the most popular location is the place with the best outdoor smoking accomodations.

Meanwhile, Mr. Small Bar Owner's bar sits dead as a doornail. So fark you and your smoking ban!


Hence the reason that our local jurisdiction (down here in, "Keep the gubmint out of my business" Texas) consistently votes AGAINST smoking bans, particularly if/when they affect bars.

Fact is that if your clientele doesn't like indoor smoking and they complain about it (like they probably would in a family-style restaurant), you'll make your place of business non-smoking. But if your clientele wants the area to be smoker-friendly (like they usually do for bars), you make your place of business a smoking place.

/One other thing to keep in mind: Depending on the state/local laws regarding alcohol, you may not be permitted to have an outdoor smoking area attached to your bar. Which means that your smoking customers who go outside may have to pay an additional cover charge to come back in and/or may not be ABLE to get back in.
 
2012-04-25 10:34:53 PM  
Honestly, don't freaking throw your butts out on the ground. Its litter, you freaking slobs.
 
2012-04-25 11:13:31 PM  

JustMatt: Honestly, don't freaking throw your butts out on the ground. Its litter, you freaking slobs.


I no longer smoke, but when I did, I would field-strip the cigs most of the time and put them in my pocket until I got to a trash can. Exceptions were usually while walking or driving in the city, where they can use my cigarette tax dollars to pay someone to pick them up.
 
2012-04-25 11:17:45 PM  

Rufus Lee King: I'm getting tired of breathing in all the asbestos from the brake lining of cars while I'm downtown. New law: no one can apply their brakes while in heavy traffic. That'll work.


Or mandate regenerative brakes, supercapacitors, and unsprung on-wheel electric motors on every vehicle. Once technology gets there, they can all be one and the same.
 
2012-04-25 11:27:02 PM  

morgantx: tjsands1118: If only there was a device made out of something non flammable, like glass, plastic or metal, that could be used to put out these cigarettes. Some type of tray if you will.

[www.webstaurantstore.com image 300x300]!

I do have to say as a former smoker that devices like that are useless for outdoor smoking. They'll get picked up by the wind, or the lit cherry will get picked up by the wind.

Best solutions? Those HUGE sand-filled things. OR, a large metal coffee can with about 3 inches of sand in the bottom of it (for personal use). But if they're not emptied often, they'll catch fire.


Okay, if you are leaving a cherry, you are not using the ashtray correctly. It's a simple movement, straight down and turn. Also most people I know that smoke on their patios have a large glass ashtray that weights about five pounds, but then again I grew up outside Great Falls, MT the windiest city in the continental U.S.

Also good luck finding a metal coffee can now a days.
 
2012-04-25 11:28:06 PM  

Artist: I put out a can with sand in it for my chain smoking neighbor to use, got tired of the butts being flung into my garden. Dagburn it, doncha know that that can has caught fire a few times, used the garden hose to put it out-kind've afraid what might happen if I'm not home one day....he's also a drunk...so not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer...


I'd put out a can with aviation fuel in it. Fark him.
 
2012-04-25 11:35:45 PM  

KOOLmike: octopied: waiting for the whaargarbl from smokers crying about how much it sucks they can't smoke inside and pollute everyone else's lungs because non smokers are crybaby wimps.

I'll oblige. Ever since KC enacted the smoking ban, the smaller bars are all but dead. Seriously, all the cool people that hung at these places must have been smokers.
Around the same time, KC had an entertainment district built downtown, that is basically a city block lined with all these fancy bars, clubs, and restaurants. In the middle of this place is an outdoor courtyard where they sell drinks, play music, and where smoking is allowed. Wouldn't you know it-- that courtyard is the most happening place in town at night. Place is slappin'! Even the non-smokers hang there because it's simply the place to be. We just had to ban smoking all over the city, and now the most popular location is the place with the best outdoor smoking accomodations.

Meanwhile, Mr. Small Bar Owner's bar sits dead as a doornail. So fark you and your smoking ban!



I'm sure everyone just goes there to hang out with the smokers - you guys are the coolest!

It couldn't possibly be because it's a new and interesting source of entertainment in an otherwise desolate hellhole. Maybe they hope the second hand cancer will kill them quicker if they hang out there, granting them an escape from the crippling boredom that defines their lives in KC.

/just a guess
 
2012-04-25 11:58:47 PM  
Take that
 
2012-04-26 12:07:20 AM  

HighZoolander: KOOLmike: octopied: waiting for the whaargarbl from smokers crying about how much it sucks they can't smoke inside and pollute everyone else's lungs because non smokers are crybaby wimps.

I'll oblige. Ever since KC enacted the smoking ban, the smaller bars are all but dead. Seriously, all the cool people that hung at these places must have been smokers.
Around the same time, KC had an entertainment district built downtown, that is basically a city block lined with all these fancy bars, clubs, and restaurants. In the middle of this place is an outdoor courtyard where they sell drinks, play music, and where smoking is allowed. Wouldn't you know it-- that courtyard is the most happening place in town at night. Place is slappin'! Even the non-smokers hang there because it's simply the place to be. We just had to ban smoking all over the city, and now the most popular location is the place with the best outdoor smoking accomodations.

Meanwhile, Mr. Small Bar Owner's bar sits dead as a doornail. So fark you and your smoking ban!


I'm sure everyone just goes there to hang out with the smokers - you guys are the coolest!

It couldn't possibly be because it's a new and interesting source of entertainment in an otherwise desolate hellhole. Maybe they hope the second hand cancer will kill them quicker if they hang out there, granting them an escape from the crippling boredom that defines their lives in KC.

/just a guess


You're probably right. I'm sure there's an endless list of entertainment options 24/7 where you're at. Gosh that would be cool. And yet you choose to spend enough time on here to justify a Total Fark account. Why is that?
 
2012-04-26 01:25:17 AM  

KOOLmike: HighZoolander: KOOLmike: octopied: waiting for the whaargarbl from smokers crying about how much it sucks they can't smoke inside and pollute everyone else's lungs because non smokers are crybaby wimps.

I'll oblige. Ever since KC enacted the smoking ban, the smaller bars are all but dead. Seriously, all the cool people that hung at these places must have been smokers.
Around the same time, KC had an entertainment district built downtown, that is basically a city block lined with all these fancy bars, clubs, and restaurants. In the middle of this place is an outdoor courtyard where they sell drinks, play music, and where smoking is allowed. Wouldn't you know it-- that courtyard is the most happening place in town at night. Place is slappin'! Even the non-smokers hang there because it's simply the place to be. We just had to ban smoking all over the city, and now the most popular location is the place with the best outdoor smoking accomodations.

Meanwhile, Mr. Small Bar Owner's bar sits dead as a doornail. So fark you and your smoking ban!


I'm sure everyone just goes there to hang out with the smokers - you guys are the coolest!

It couldn't possibly be because it's a new and interesting source of entertainment in an otherwise desolate hellhole. Maybe they hope the second hand cancer will kill them quicker if they hang out there, granting them an escape from the crippling boredom that defines their lives in KC.

/just a guess

You're probably right. I'm sure there's an endless list of entertainment options 24/7 where you're at. Gosh that would be cool. And yet you choose to spend enough time on here to justify a Total Fark account. Why is that?



I'm not here to pass judgment, but if you smoked less you might be able to afford that $5 a month. I just pay for it because I like to feel superior to you liters. It's a power trip, really, like a long, slow drag from a $5 cigarette that enables me to blow smoke into an asthmatic child's face.

/and really, if that's not priceless, I don't know what is
 
2012-04-26 01:30:24 AM  

octopied: waiting for the whaargarbl from smokers crying about how much it sucks they can't smoke inside and pollute everyone else's lungs because non smokers are crybaby wimps.



Anyone who thinks that a private business should not allow me to smoke a cigar indoors IS a crybaby wimp.
 
2012-04-26 01:40:20 AM  

HighZoolander: KOOLmike: HighZoolander: KOOLmike: octopied: waiting for the whaargarbl from smokers crying about how much it sucks they can't smoke inside and pollute everyone else's lungs because non smokers are crybaby wimps.

I'll oblige. Ever since KC enacted the smoking ban, the smaller bars are all but dead. Seriously, all the cool people that hung at these places must have been smokers.
Around the same time, KC had an entertainment district built downtown, that is basically a city block lined with all these fancy bars, clubs, and restaurants. In the middle of this place is an outdoor courtyard where they sell drinks, play music, and where smoking is allowed. Wouldn't you know it-- that courtyard is the most happening place in town at night. Place is slappin'! Even the non-smokers hang there because it's simply the place to be. We just had to ban smoking all over the city, and now the most popular location is the place with the best outdoor smoking accomodations.

Meanwhile, Mr. Small Bar Owner's bar sits dead as a doornail. So fark you and your smoking ban!


I'm sure everyone just goes there to hang out with the smokers - you guys are the coolest!

It couldn't possibly be because it's a new and interesting source of entertainment in an otherwise desolate hellhole. Maybe they hope the second hand cancer will kill them quicker if they hang out there, granting them an escape from the crippling boredom that defines their lives in KC.

/just a guess

You're probably right. I'm sure there's an endless list of entertainment options 24/7 where you're at. Gosh that would be cool. And yet you choose to spend enough time on here to justify a Total Fark account. Why is that?


I'm not here to pass judgment, but if you smoked less you might be able to afford that $5 a month. I just pay for it because I like to feel superior to you liters. It's a power trip, really, like a long, slow drag from a $5 cigarette that enables me to blow smoke into an asthmatic child's face.

/and really, if that's not priceless, I don't know what is


Point taken. I've already said I no longer smoke, though. But that doesn't mean I want to take choices away from folks who do smoke, or folks who own bars and wish to allow folks to smoke inside their bar. Sallumsayin.
 
2012-04-26 07:34:32 AM  

Rich Cream: [www.chdist.com image 250x250]

The office where I work has similar butt catchers to this. Of course no one ever empties them so when they're stuffed and someone shoves yet another coal into there, the thing smoulders like hell and eventually catches on fire.

Just empty the damned thing once in a while, you farking prima donnas.


I'm guessing that you're referring to smokers (I am one) as "prima donnas".

Protip - that little round thingy with the vertical slot in it (insert crass pun here) - that's
called a "lock". They don't hand out a key to every smoker (if any), "Life of Brian" crucifixion
style - "Smoker?" "Yes." "Line to the left, one key to the butt catcher only."

That's usually left to the custodial staff.
 
2012-04-26 08:08:10 AM  

rmdpgh: Rich Cream: [www.chdist.com image 250x250]

The office where I work has similar butt catchers to this. Of course no one ever empties them so when they're stuffed and someone shoves yet another coal into there, the thing smoulders like hell and eventually catches on fire.

Just empty the damned thing once in a while, you farking prima donnas.

I'm guessing that you're referring to smokers (I am one) as "prima donnas".

Protip - that little round thingy with the vertical slot in it (insert crass pun here) - that's
called a "lock". They don't hand out a key to every smoker (if any), "Life of Brian" crucifixion
style - "Smoker?" "Yes." "Line to the left, one key to the butt catcher only."

That's usually left to the custodial staff.



Well I smoked 2 packs a day for 33 years and I never had a problem with cleaning up after myself. So thanks for proving me correct.

/they leave them unlocked so they can be emptied.
 
2012-04-26 08:40:30 AM  

octopied: waiting for the whaargarbl from smokers crying about how much it sucks they can't smoke inside and pollute everyone else's lungs because non smokers are crybaby wimps.


Go get hit by a truck.
 
2012-04-26 08:48:14 AM  
I quit smoking on December 9, 2002. Have only smoked one cigarette since and felt sick for hours afterward, so another relapse is unlikely. During the 17 years I smoked, I always went outside (with rare exceptions). No matter what the weather. Even when I could have smoked inside. And so to this day, I don't understand why some smokers have such a problem with just simply going outside to smoke. They may see that as being difficult and inconvenient, but the fact is, it isn't.
 
2012-04-26 08:52:34 AM  

Rich Cream: rmdpgh: Rich Cream: [www.chdist.com image 250x250]

The office where I work has similar butt catchers to this. Of course no one ever empties them so when they're stuffed and someone shoves yet another coal into there, the thing smoulders like hell and eventually catches on fire.

Just empty the damned thing once in a while, you farking prima donnas.

I'm guessing that you're referring to smokers (I am one) as "prima donnas".

Protip - that little round thingy with the vertical slot in it (insert crass pun here) - that's
called a "lock". They don't hand out a key to every smoker (if any), "Life of Brian" crucifixion
style - "Smoker?" "Yes." "Line to the left, one key to the butt catcher only."

That's usually left to the custodial staff.


Well I smoked 2 packs a day for 33 years and I never had a problem with cleaning up after myself. So thanks for proving me correct.

/they leave them unlocked so they can be emptied.


Not around here (W. PA.) they don't, in general. They're locked to discourage scavengers
which are common in high-homeless concentration areas like largish cities. I suppose YMMV
based on region, though.

Oh, and I empty and clean what I can, so no proof there of my holding a "bella donna" card, but keep
painting with the broad brush...stereotypes are real time savers.
 
2012-04-26 09:01:53 AM  

Rich Cream: rmdpgh: Rich Cream: [www.chdist.com image 250x250]

The office where I work has similar butt catchers to this. Of course no one ever empties them so when they're stuffed and someone shoves yet another coal into there, the thing smoulders like hell and eventually catches on fire.

Just empty the damned thing once in a while, you farking prima donnas.

I'm guessing that you're referring to smokers (I am one) as "prima donnas".

Protip - that little round thingy with the vertical slot in it (insert crass pun here) - that's
called a "lock". They don't hand out a key to every smoker (if any), "Life of Brian" crucifixion
style - "Smoker?" "Yes." "Line to the left, one key to the butt catcher only."

That's usually left to the custodial staff.


Well I smoked 2 packs a day for 33 years and I never had a problem with cleaning up after myself. So thanks for proving me correct.

/they leave them unlocked so they can be emptied.


Why leave it unlocked when the custodial staff is trying to save up for retirement? Turning in cigarette ash and butts is a multimillion dollar a year industry. How else do you plan to rebuild roads?

/kidding
//lazy is just lazy
 
2012-04-26 09:35:29 AM  
Thanks to a complete lack of responsibility, idiots are setting buildings on fire from the outside.

Don't blame anyone else for your own lack of maturity and crappy manners.
 
2012-04-26 10:25:04 AM  

xterraadam: Man what are you drivin'? There's been no asbestos in brake linings for decades.


Dude, the expensive pads have asbestos.

Also this appears to be a mulch problem, not a smoking problem. And if your mulch catches fire from cigarettes, then youre probably not using real mulch. Theyre probably using that free ground up tree shiat that cities give away.

Real mulch don't catch on fire unless it's in a twenty ton pile.
 
2012-04-26 11:04:21 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I quit smoking on December 9, 2002. Have only smoked one cigarette since and felt sick for hours afterward, so another relapse is unlikely. During the 17 years I smoked, I always went outside (with rare exceptions). No matter what the weather. Even when I could have smoked inside. And so to this day, I don't understand why some smokers have such a problem with just simply going outside to smoke. They may see that as being difficult and inconvenient, but the fact is, it isn't.


As a nonsmoker, one of the things I've noticed about some (not all) smokers is that if you cave once and tell them it's ok to smoke a cigarette in your house/car, they take it is a sign that it's cool for them to smoke one whenever they damn well please (which coincidentally happens to be all the time). That tendency is usually coupled by a kind of them-against-the-world mentality where everyone is out to deny them of their right to subject other people to 2nd hand smoke in enclosed areas.

/No, the world is not out to get you, but please go outside anyway.
 
2012-04-26 11:13:29 AM  

robhidalgo: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: I quit smoking on December 9, 2002. Have only smoked one cigarette since and felt sick for hours afterward, so another relapse is unlikely. During the 17 years I smoked, I always went outside (with rare exceptions). No matter what the weather. Even when I could have smoked inside. And so to this day, I don't understand why some smokers have such a problem with just simply going outside to smoke. They may see that as being difficult and inconvenient, but the fact is, it isn't.

As a nonsmoker, one of the things I've noticed about some (not all) smokers is that if you cave once and tell them it's ok to smoke a cigarette in your house/car, they take it is a sign that it's cool for them to smoke one whenever they damn well please (which coincidentally happens to be all the time). That tendency is usually coupled by a kind of them-against-the-world mentality where everyone is out to deny them of their right to subject other people to 2nd hand smoke in enclosed areas.

/No, the world is not out to get you, but please go outside anyway.


That is just world-class ass-hattery. I smoke outside, period. My wife insists that I smoke in the garage
when it dips below zero degrees F. Screw that - I go outside. It's not the first, nor the last time that
I've been out in that weather (tame by some standards). I end up smoking less as an upside, as well.
When visiting, or at a public or semi-public outdoor facility, I'll carry a small kit with a windproof ashcan
and a grocery bag to collect butts and stuff. (I regularly flag for road races, one of which is held in a
public park here in the 'Burgh - the other flaggers and I, collectively, leave the place cleaner than when
we got there.) Call it smug, but at least we're doing something useful, too. :)
 
2012-04-26 12:06:39 PM  

rmdpgh: That's usually left to the custodial staff.


Is that like "the maid will get it"? You prima donna.




Not around here (W. PA.) they don't, in general. They're locked to discourage scavengers


scavenging the butts? or the tin box inside?
 
2012-04-26 12:54:37 PM  

Rich Cream: rmdpgh: That's usually left to the custodial staff.


Is that like "the maid will get it"? You prima donna.

Not around here (W. PA.) they don't, in general. They're locked to discourage scavengers

scavenging the butts? or the tin box inside?


The butts. Take it for what it's worth. The tactic of locking the boxes is to encourage the
homeless to pass up certain storefronts and such, keeping the facade of cleanliness intact,
I guess. It doesn't seem to work too well, as they'll just approach someone and ask for a
full smoke, then a light, then money, then a smoke for the road, then a pack of matches.
Somewhere in there, a refusal can result in violence. Always a crowd pleaser....:/
 
2012-04-26 01:11:58 PM  

rmdpgh: [scavenge] The butts. [from the overfilled receptacles]



Almost as if the problem solves itself. Oh well.
 
2012-04-26 01:43:39 PM  

Rich Cream: rmdpgh: [scavenge] The butts. [from the overfilled receptacles]


Almost as if the problem solves itself. Oh well.


Agreed. Except it doesn't leave the fresh scent of pine behind.

Not even close.

That said, it seems (to me at least) that the social workers/thankless volunteers know which are and
aren't "secured", and they target the "open" areas to help the homeless (again, YMMV, this is W. PA.).

In that sense, it can be viewed as a blessing in disguise.
 
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