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2012-04-25 09:33:56 PM
Damn. It wasn't Kevin James.
 
2012-04-25 10:36:02 PM
Not saying this isn't tragic, but the zookeepers I've met that work with certain animals accept death on the job as a possibility. Reason #1852 I'm glad my wife is no longer a zookeeper.
 
2012-04-26 12:04:48 AM
Working with animals that are much bigger and stronger than you can lead to this sort of thing. Hell, just getting a foot stepped on by a horse is bad (thank you steel toed boots! needed a new pair, but they protected my foot). I don't even want to consider working with the poisonous ones or larger predators. Startle one of those and you're pretty much done.
 
2012-04-26 12:10:29 AM

SpaceyCat: Working with animals that are much bigger and stronger than you can lead to this sort of thing. Hell, just getting a foot stepped on by a horse is bad (thank you steel toed boots! needed a new pair, but they protected my foot). I don't even want to consider working with the poisonous ones or larger predators. Startle one of those and you're pretty much done.


I wonder if the elephant's behavior is due to her spending all those years as a circus animal. Circus animals are often mistreated by their handlers and grow to distrust humans. Not that I can blame them if they've been systematically abused by the very people who are supposed to take care of them.
 
2012-04-26 12:27:09 AM

SpaceyCat: Working with animals that are much bigger and stronger than you can lead to this sort of thing. Hell, just getting a foot stepped on by a horse is bad (thank you steel toed boots! needed a new pair, but they protected my foot). I don't even want to consider working with the poisonous ones or larger predators. Startle one of those and you're pretty much done.


AZA accredited institutions are generally very careful about what enclosures zookeepers go into with animals present. Some allow them in with cheetahs for instance, but only after the cheetahs and keepers have passed certain training milestones. But cheetahs predator prey instinct usually only kicks in for fast moving things. You'll hardly ever see keepers go into a cougar enclosure when they're present since they qualify anything as breathing as edible.
 
2012-04-26 01:12:33 AM
I'd say that elephant made a deep impression on the keeper

/they never forget
 
2012-04-26 01:25:00 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd say that elephant made a deep impression on the keeper

/they never forget


jeffpicard.com
 
2012-04-26 02:25:47 AM
 
2012-04-26 02:27:54 AM
The unnamed woman was caring for the former circus elephant, known as Jumbo, when she was killed inside its enclosure.

Was her name Patty?
 
2012-04-26 02:29:58 AM
Dogpile is not a game to play with an elephant.
 
2012-04-26 02:37:27 AM

UsikFark: The unnamed woman was caring for the former circus elephant, known as Jumbo, when she was killed inside its enclosure.

Was her name Patty?


Sir, that is not funny.

Signed,
Marcy
 
2012-04-26 02:37:41 AM
"The 39-year-old retired to the zoo four years ago after spending most of her life with Whirling Brothers Circus. "

Karma.

Circus animals are kept in tiny cages, then chained up until performance time, then shoved back into a cage and shipped to the next town. A horrible life, especially for an animal as intelligent and sensitive as an elephant that's used to living on miles of land with it's entire family.
 
2012-04-26 02:40:31 AM

Bathia_Mapes: I wonder if the elephant's behavior is due to her spending all those years as a circus animal. Circus animals are often mistreated by their handlers and grow to distrust humans. Not that I can blame them if they've been systematically abused by the very people who are supposed to take care of them.


That and the article mentions it is the lone elephant at the zoo. They're animals that really do need to socialize. Poor thing's been alone for four years there, after being in a circus? Sad.
 
2012-04-26 02:42:31 AM

JRoo: "
Circus animals are kept in tiny cages, then chained up until performance time, then shoved back into a cage and shipped to the next town. A horrible life, especially for an animal as intelligent and sensitive as an elephant that's used to living on miles of land with it's entire family.


one of the loch ness monster theories points out that a circus was in town the next day. the theory is that the elephant and the circus had arrived at least the day before and was enjoying the day out on the lake. the elephant would have been mostly submerged except head and trunk.

so, at least in old times elephants enjoyed more freedom.
 
2012-04-26 02:44:20 AM
Photo from the funeral:

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/hot
 
2012-04-26 02:53:57 AM

ByOwlLight: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder if the elephant's behavior is due to her spending all those years as a circus animal. Circus animals are often mistreated by their handlers and grow to distrust humans. Not that I can blame them if they've been systematically abused by the very people who are supposed to take care of them.

That and the article mentions it is the lone elephant at the zoo. They're animals that really do need to socialize. Poor thing's been alone for four years there, after being in a circus? Sad.


Indeed.
 
2012-04-26 03:04:25 AM
Thank you, BraFish.

A little song, a little dance, a pachyderm crushes you in your pants.
 
2012-04-26 03:37:49 AM
Police say they are informing next of kin and that an investigation into the death has begun.

Isn't the cause of death going to be pretty obvious at this point? "Death by elephanticide" will make for amusing headlines, but not much else is mysterious about this one.

Unless it turns out that she was run over by a backhoe and someone asked the elephant to sit on her in some kind of mammoth cover-up.
 
2012-04-26 03:53:36 AM
Any word on if she had COPD?
 
2012-04-26 04:02:34 AM
Sit on my faaaaaaaaaace and tell me that you love me.....
 
2012-04-26 05:02:45 AM
I will be forever haunted by this video......no butts about it.

Link
 
2012-04-26 05:36:13 AM
Elephants are not domesticated animals. They are wild animals. We capture and "tame" them, but that does not make them domesticated animals.
Their behavior really can't be predicted with any reliability.
 
2012-04-26 05:40:37 AM

Gyrfalcon: Police say they are informing next of kin and that an investigation into the death has begun.

Isn't the cause of death going to be pretty obvious at this point? "Death by elephanticide" will make for amusing headlines, but not much else is mysterious about this one.

Unless it turns out that she was run over by a backhoe and someone asked the elephant to sit on her in some kind of mammoth cover-up.




That...was hilarious.
 
2012-04-26 05:45:41 AM
How does something like that happen? For a killer whale, a person is a nice snack. But elephants don't hunt - and from what I understand bond very strongly with their keepers if treated well. Did the animal not know that the woman was there?
 
2012-04-26 05:47:33 AM

Bathia_Mapes: SpaceyCat: Working with animals that are much bigger and stronger than you can lead to this sort of thing. Hell, just getting a foot stepped on by a horse is bad (thank you steel toed boots! needed a new pair, but they protected my foot). I don't even want to consider working with the poisonous ones or larger predators. Startle one of those and you're pretty much done.

I wonder if the elephant's behavior is due to her spending all those years as a circus animal. Circus animals are often mistreated by their handlers and grow to distrust humans. Not that I can blame them if they've been systematically abused by the very people who are supposed to take care of them.


I can understand that, but do elephants neutralize perceived threats by sitting on them?
 
2012-04-26 05:50:55 AM

ByOwlLight: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder if the elephant's behavior is due to her spending all those years as a circus animal. Circus animals are often mistreated by their handlers and grow to distrust humans. Not that I can blame them if they've been systematically abused by the very people who are supposed to take care of them.

That and the article mentions it is the lone elephant at the zoo. They're animals that really do need to socialize. Poor thing's been alone for four years there, after being in a circus? Sad.


Is that why the elephant developed a crush on his human handler.
 
2012-04-26 05:52:05 AM
Crap, I forgot to not reuse the same verb as the headline.
 
2012-04-26 05:52:37 AM

Nogale: How does something like that happen? For a killer whale, a person is a nice snack. But elephants don't hunt - and from what I understand bond very strongly with their keepers if treated well. Did the animal not know that the woman was there?


Elephants are social animals and this elephant was a circus animal for many years before she ended up at the zoo. She was the only elephant there. IMHO, the combination of being a circus elephant, then going to a zoo where she had no other elephants as companions had at least something to do with her behavior. Circuses are infamous for mistreating their animals and it's possible that the zookeeper inadvertently did something to upset the elephant.
 
2012-04-26 06:00:47 AM

Nogale: Bathia_Mapes: SpaceyCat: Working with animals that are much bigger and stronger than you can lead to this sort of thing. Hell, just getting a foot stepped on by a horse is bad (thank you steel toed boots! needed a new pair, but they protected my foot). I don't even want to consider working with the poisonous ones or larger predators. Startle one of those and you're pretty much done.

I wonder if the elephant's behavior is due to her spending all those years as a circus animal. Circus animals are often mistreated by their handlers and grow to distrust humans. Not that I can blame them if they've been systematically abused by the very people who are supposed to take care of them.

I can understand that, but do elephants neutralize perceived threats by sitting on them?


I don't think so. Maybe the sitting down had something to do with her years with the circus, like it was part of an act that she performed. I guess we'll not now exactly what happens until they finish investigating the zookeeper's death and what led up to it.
 
2012-04-26 06:02:03 AM

nytmare: ByOwlLight: Bathia_Mapes: I wonder if the elephant's behavior is due to her spending all those years as a circus animal. Circus animals are often mistreated by their handlers and grow to distrust humans. Not that I can blame them if they've been systematically abused by the very people who are supposed to take care of them.

That and the article mentions it is the lone elephant at the zoo. They're animals that really do need to socialize. Poor thing's been alone for four years there, after being in a circus? Sad.

Is that why the elephant developed a crush on his human handler.


Heh! I shouldn't have laughed at that.

//one way ticket to hell please.
 
2012-04-26 06:24:02 AM
Someone call Superking!
 
2012-04-26 06:36:14 AM

Gyrfalcon: Isn't the cause of death going to be pretty obvious at this point? "Death by elephanticide" will make for amusing headlines, but not much else is mysterious about this one.


The initial reports were that the elephant had attacked the keeper. This later to changed to 'whoops, elephant forgot mushy human there.'

I suppose it matters for two purposes.

1. Is elephant crazy and therefore getting put down, and
2. Is the zoo responsible for some sort of gross failure that would move this to a prosecutable criminal or civil offence, or a case for exemplary or punitive damages*

*You can't sue for personal injury in NZ, which means no million-dollar payout for her family for wrongful death. If she has a husband and kids they already have access to compensation for lost wages, funeral grants, and one-off survivor's grants through the Accident Compensation Corporation regardless of fault. In rare cases you sue in Court and get low-figure exemplary or punitive damages (as in a few thousand dollars - not worth a lawyer's time). You cannot get exemplary damages on the basis of negligence though unless you can prove recklessness, so good luck with that.
 
2012-04-26 06:43:04 AM
My friend died this way. He was a damn good man, too. Real nice guy.

But somehow, the elephant got something in her craw and headbutted him a few time. It's a little more damaging when a pachyderm does it. First fatality in over 100 years at that zoo.
 
2012-04-26 07:54:19 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'd say that elephant made a deep impression on the keeper

/they never forget


The elephant probably thought she was an Ottoman.
 
2012-04-26 08:02:43 AM
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/wanted for questioning.
//"He never forgets...to kill!"
 
2012-04-26 08:14:32 AM
Thanks for the laughs, this thread delivers.

/word to the wise, don't GIS "elephant package".
 
2012-04-26 08:19:24 AM

Gyrfalcon: "Death by elephanticide"


Death by the indiscriminate killing of elephants?

Adding "-cide" to a word indicates you are killing whatever that word denotes, not the other way around.

[TheMoreYouKnow.gif]

/Someone else used "it's" as a possessive earlier in the thread
//Consider yourselves on notice
 
db2
2012-04-26 09:01:02 AM
The unnamed woman...

Well that's kind of weird. What did they put on her birth certificate?
 
2012-04-26 09:21:30 AM
cache.gizmodo.com

Feel free to put in the proper date, but I'm sure the elephant didn't forget this one either
 
2012-04-26 10:09:10 AM
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2012-04-26 10:46:04 AM
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I bet if she could have held out until the net appeared she would have survived.
 
2012-04-26 10:52:26 AM
I knew a lady who was killed by an elephant last year. Not getting a kick out of this story.
 
2012-04-26 12:10:21 PM
I used to work with a keeper that got killed by an elephant last year. They are cool animals but I was hesitant about working with them before, no way that I'd do it now.

R.I.P. Steph. Your friends in Orlando still think about you all the time.
 
2012-04-26 02:31:40 PM

JRoo: "The 39-year-old retired to the zoo four years ago after spending most of her life with Whirling Brothers Circus. "


Why would a 39-year-old woman retire, anyway? :P
 
2012-04-26 04:11:14 PM

MythDragon: [TheZookeeper.jpg]
/wanted for questioning.
//"He never forgets...to kill!"


Thus proving that the deadliest animal of all is the Zookeeper.
 
2012-04-26 07:21:05 PM
 
2012-04-26 09:07:08 PM
Seriously? This happens in New Zealand and yet no kiwi juice comment. At least make an effort, people.
 
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