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2012-04-25 10:08:35 PM

Giltric: a logical point of view...needs more words.


By putting people in debt for going to certain schools you discourage them from going to those schools. This is bad for them as they don't end up at the schools they perceive as best suited to them. This is also bad for the schools as the schools don't end up with the best possible students. It's the difference between Cambridge and Harvard. No one who wants to go to Cambridge ever has to consider the cost of going, ergo, Cambridge never loses out on good minds because of financial reasons. And so Cambridge continues on being an awesome school. Harvard loses out on a lot of minds because of the cost. Thus they don't go where they think they'd be best served, which is bad for them, and Harvard misses out on some good minds, which is bad for it.
 
2012-04-25 10:09:38 PM

Giltric: Couldn't afford what? Free tuition to a state school? Why can't they afford whatever it is you are referencing?


Why should the poor not have the same access to the same schools with the same burden financially as the rich?
 
2012-04-25 10:11:34 PM

Giltric: Sabyen91: Giltric: The_Gallant_Gallstone: Giltric: Free tuition to a state school

Welcome to the Party, Comrade!

You will be receiving your Marxist newsletter and your Conspirator Against America membership card shortly.

You'll want to hear the rest of my plan before you get all comradey with me.....the only thing I'd offer is free tuition to a state school, everything after that has to do with your hands, an upwards motion and pieces of leather attached to your boots. So don't squander it.


/teach a man to fish something something something.

So, the working poor still couldn't afford it. Got it.

Couldn't afford what? Free tuition to a state school? Why can't they afford whatever it is you are referencing?


Housing, books, transit, extra program fees, cafeteria, parking if needed. Those expenses are hardly negligible. Housing itself can run you $7500 to $10000. Are you saying a college student can make that working weekends at the Glass Nickle?
 
2012-04-25 10:15:30 PM

WhyteRaven74: Giltric: a logical point of view...needs more words.

By putting people in debt for going to certain schools you discourage them from going to those schools. This is bad for them as they don't end up at the schools they perceive as best suited to them. This is also bad for the schools as the schools don't end up with the best possible students. It's the difference between Cambridge and Harvard. No one who wants to go to Cambridge ever has to consider the cost of going, ergo, Cambridge never loses out on good minds because of financial reasons. And so Cambridge continues on being an awesome school. Harvard loses out on a lot of minds because of the cost. Thus they don't go where they think they'd be best served, which is bad for them, and Harvard misses out on some good minds, which is bad for it.


Harvard has one of the largest endowments for any university anywhere.....what are they doing with the money? Sitting on it? Why arent they offering free tuition to the best and brightest? Certainly they can afford it right? Money should be no problem for them..........
 
2012-04-25 10:17:23 PM
These are the countries that can afford FREE secondary education for their citizens. Suck on it you cheap ba$t@rds.
Argentina
Barbados
Brazil
Belgium
Croatia
Denmark
Finland
Greece
Hungary
Kenya
Malta
Mauritius
Morocco
Norway
Scotland
Slovakia
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Trinidad and Tobago
Brunei
Turkey
Oman
Saudi Arabia
Uruguay
 
2012-04-25 10:20:51 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:
First question: Do you want to run for federal office?

(Anyone who answers "yes" automatically fails.)


I'd like to someday just with the intent of making the first round of televised debates. I'll show up in dockers, a polo shirt and carrying a big bowl of popcorn. Trolololo.

/"Why aren't you dressed up?"
//"I AM dressed up."
 
2012-04-25 10:20:58 PM

Heraclitus: These are the countries that can afford FREE secondary education for their citizens. Suck on it you cheap ba$t@rds.
Argentina
Barbados
Brazil
Belgium
Croatia
Denmark
Finland
Greece
Hungary
Kenya
Malta
Mauritius
Morocco
Norway
Scotland
Slovakia
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Trinidad and Tobago
Brunei
Turkey
Oman
Saudi Arabia
Uruguay


Cruel runnings, man. Hahahaha!
 
2012-04-25 10:23:35 PM

WhyteRaven74: Giltric: a logical point of view...needs more words.

By putting people in debt for going to certain schools you discourage them from going to those schools. This is bad for them as they don't end up at the schools they perceive as best suited to them. This is also bad for the schools as the schools don't end up with the best possible students. It's the difference between Cambridge and Harvard. No one who wants to go to Cambridge ever has to consider the cost of going, ergo, Cambridge never loses out on good minds because of financial reasons. And so Cambridge continues on being an awesome school. Harvard loses out on a lot of minds because of the cost. Thus they don't go where they think they'd be best served, which is bad for them, and Harvard misses out on some good minds, which is bad for it.


wait, we have to put Harvard and the Cambridge on equal financial footing?
so that people will then pick Harvard? supposing that you are correct that Harvard is somehow losing students to Cambridge, and getting not the very best in the world, which I doubt, but the second best out of literally 151 million enrolled college students, why do I give enough of a flip to subsidize Harvard and their $33 billion dollar endowment any further? I fear you've gone off the deep into corporatism and rent seeking.
 
2012-04-25 10:24:49 PM
Micheal Jordan: I'm more agile than you.
TeaBagger: Of course.
Stone Cold Steve Austin: I'm stronger than you.
TeaBagger: Absolutely.
Usain Bolt: I'm faster than you.
TeaBagger: By far!
Dale Earnhart Jr: I'm a better driver than you.
TeaBagger: And I love you for it!
Albert Einstein: I'm smarter than you.
TeaBagger: OMFG ELITIST SECULAR HUMANIST ATHEIST LIBERAL LAMESTREAM MEDIA DERP DERP DERP
 
2012-04-25 10:27:02 PM
So the republican field is two right-wing idiots and a wealthy business man who touts the fact that he's the CEO of a company started by his grandfather, as if he had to compete for the position. And yet the winner will most likely get elected to the US Senate because McCaskill is so bad. Is there any wonder that Congress is so screwed up when these are the people we elect.
 
2012-04-25 10:27:20 PM

Mentat: Micheal Jordan: I'm more agile than you.
TeaBagger: Of course.
Stone Cold Steve Austin: I'm stronger than you.
TeaBagger: Absolutely.
Usain Bolt: I'm faster than you.
TeaBagger: By far!
Dale Earnhart Jr: I'm a better driver than you.
TeaBagger: And I love you for it!
Albert Einstein: I'm smarter than you.
TeaBagger: OMFG ELITIST SECULAR HUMANIST ATHEIST LIBERAL LAMESTREAM MEDIA DERP DERP DERP


Ron Jeremy: What the hell? Leave me alone!
Teabagger: It isn't gay if nobody knows!
 
2012-04-25 10:29:11 PM

JRoo: College should be free for every American citizen.

 
2012-04-25 10:29:43 PM
winterwhile,and dem-o-rats are staging a war on women, tax the rich, so jobs go away, and my Fav.. throwing Grandma to the death Pannel with Obamacare
keep it up


Personal question, are you just out to piss off people are do you make .50 a remark like some sort of RNC 'Mechanical Turk' operation?

I like you when you did the posting of that annoying political cartoon better, trying to get that lame meme started. At least it was truly annoying.

Buy the world has changed around your alt. 'Death panels' was around when Palin was not a money felching drone and you need to move on as well.

I suggest you focus on how birth control is a subsidy for women to act like whores. Or how low interest rates on loans are evil. Maybe you could put forward a theory that Obama was in a room with the secret service agent during the failed rate re-negogations.

Find new material, I know you have it in you.
 
2012-04-25 10:30:12 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: GAT_00: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: ManateeGag: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And his competition doesn't know what the Violence Against Women Act is because "I haven't been elected yet".

MORONS.

there should be a rudimentary test of the laws on the land. if you cannot pass the test, you cannot run for a federal government office.

First question: Do you want to run for federal office?

(Anyone who answers "yes" automatically fails.)

See, this is incredibly stupid. Why exactly do you want apathetic people in charge of your government? Do you really want the President to get a call about whatever crisis and go 'fark it, I'm tired of this job?' I mean, if you want that, please vote for Sarah Palin.

People who want to be in power should, under no circumstances, be allowed to be in power.

To jump off of that point, I propose we convert the House into a lottery system.

-Citizens are eligible for the lottery after reaching age 25, or graduating from a college/university/trade school; whichever comes first
-Every two years, a person is chosen by lottery, just like jury duty. Once picked, a person is barred from being picked again for at least 4 years.
-That person represents their district in the House for a standard 2 year term. At the end of the term, the lottery is held again.
-While serving, the chosen person is compensated at 110% of their last year's individual salary, up to $75K. That person will also be reimbursed (at std. rates) for trips home, up to a maximum of 4 per year.
-Meanwhile, the Senate will remain an elected body, but with terms reduced to 4 years from 6


I like this idea. Only thing I'd add is that, upon completion of a house term, the representative's former employer is required to offer back his old position or an equivalent one, with at least the same pay adjusted for inflation.
 
2012-04-25 10:32:45 PM
Wow- I was going to write that this is yet another reason I cannot vote republican in 2012, for any office. But who cares about that. winterwhile is possibly the greatest troll ever. Could anyone give me this guy's stats?
Height, weight, marital status, job, number of meds, etc.? Please inform me about this guy. Does he have any special olympics medals, autographed pictures of Hasselhoff, or collection of star trek action figures still in the box.
 
2012-04-25 10:32:48 PM

eurotrader: More of a rant than a post but the stupid was just too strong in some of the statements

Steelman and Akin both said they didn't support a proposal to allow citizenship for people who served in the U.S. military or earned a college diploma. "I believe we've got to take away all the incentives that are attracting the illegals to begin with," Steelman said.

The fact this type of program has worked well for other developed countries, the French Foreign legion and the British gurkhas producing citizens that speak the language and embrace the customs. It allows a path through blood during a time of war for people to better themselves and give something to a country to make them a citizen

Asked whether the candidates supported a constitutional amendment saying life begins at conception, Akin again staked out the strongest stance. "Yes, I would support a constitutional amendment," he said.

For a group that says the government spends too much money doing things they have no business in I would wonder how much would have to be sent to codify a flawed premise. They might want to look at what happened to the 18th amendment after causing pain, death, and crime because a few people thought it was a good idea and the majority failed to speak to the absurdity.

Akin said the government should be out of the student loan market altogether. "America has got the equivalent of the stage three cancer of socialism because the federal government is tampering in all kinds of stuff it has no business tampering in," he said.

Really, unemployment among people in their 20s is at records high maybe instead of complaining he could do something to help bring down the cost of higher education. An argument can be made that giving every person that attends a college a transferable credit to be applied to the cost of education and by controlling the amount, the cost of college would not be rising well above inflation. For everyone that already has a student a one time reduction in the student l ...


The French legion does give citizenship to members, it's the first thing on their FAQ

Go read their website you ass

You don't know what your about, fark you tard.
 
2012-04-25 10:35:04 PM
The French legion Does NOT give citizenship

Sorry about my typo, it's late
 
2012-04-25 10:35:33 PM

goorange: eurotrader: More of a rant than a post but the stupid was just too strong in some of the statements

Steelman and Akin both said they didn't support a proposal to allow citizenship for people who served in the U.S. military or earned a college diploma. "I believe we've got to take away all the incentives that are attracting the illegals to begin with," Steelman said.

The fact this type of program has worked well for other developed countries, the French Foreign legion and the British gurkhas producing citizens that speak the language and embrace the customs. It allows a path through blood during a time of war for people to better themselves and give something to a country to make them a citizen

Asked whether the candidates supported a constitutional amendment saying life begins at conception, Akin again staked out the strongest stance. "Yes, I would support a constitutional amendment," he said.

For a group that says the government spends too much money doing things they have no business in I would wonder how much would have to be sent to codify a flawed premise. They might want to look at what happened to the 18th amendment after causing pain, death, and crime because a few people thought it was a good idea and the majority failed to speak to the absurdity.

Akin said the government should be out of the student loan market altogether. "America has got the equivalent of the stage three cancer of socialism because the federal government is tampering in all kinds of stuff it has no business tampering in," he said.

Really, unemployment among people in their 20s is at records high maybe instead of complaining he could do something to help bring down the cost of higher education. An argument can be made that giving every person that attends a college a transferable credit to be applied to the cost of education and by controlling the amount, the cost of college would not be rising well above inflation. For everyone that already has a student a one time reduction in t ...


I think you misread him.
 
2012-04-25 10:35:41 PM

Bhasayate: I say lower the rate to like almost nothing. Students work hard.


Long long ago, I was a student. It was the easiest time of my life and I was working an average of 20 hours of week on the side to pay my way through.

Mind you, I favor free college education with a few provisions. You need to actually qualify for college in the first place. It needs to be an accredited college. You need to keep your grades above a B to keep your funding. And to prohibit grade inflation, some of those grades will be based on nationalized tests.

The tragedy of student loans is forking over money for worthless degrees, not that it costs something to get an education.
 
2012-04-25 10:36:14 PM

Sabyen91: Giltric: Sabyen91: Giltric: The_Gallant_Gallstone: Giltric: Free tuition to a state school

Welcome to the Party, Comrade!

You will be receiving your Marxist newsletter and your Conspirator Against America membership card shortly.

You'll want to hear the rest of my plan before you get all comradey with me.....the only thing I'd offer is free tuition to a state school, everything after that has to do with your hands, an upwards motion and pieces of leather attached to your boots. So don't squander it.


/teach a man to fish something something something.

So, the working poor still couldn't afford it. Got it.

Couldn't afford what? Free tuition to a state school? Why can't they afford whatever it is you are referencing?

Housing, books, transit, extra program fees, cafeteria, parking if needed. Those expenses are hardly negligible. Housing itself can run you $7500 to $10000. Are you saying a college student can make that working weekends at the Glass Nickle?


The only thing they really need to do imnsho, is drop tuitions back down to where they were in the Olden Days when I was a wee lass at UCLA, and then provide free tuition to those who qualify. Because back in the day, yes, you could afford extra expenses working weekends assuming you didn't have to pay eleventy gazillion dollars for inflated school fees.

I had Pell Grants and nominal student loans at UCLA (under 10K) which were all for tuition; everything else I worked for: rent, food, books, spending $$. Which I did handily working part-time at a local record store. There were six of us in low-rent off-campus housing, and I didn't have a car for a year or so, but we managed.

It's the tuition costs that have gotten so out of control that makes everything else skyrocket. We paid exponentially less for tuition AND didn't have all these other asinine fees back in 1984, so I can't help thinking they're related. Somehow the more tuition costs, the more money the school needs for parking, lab fees, library fees...hm.
 
2012-04-25 10:38:19 PM

goorange: The French legion Does NOT give citizenship

Sorry about my typo, it's late

After serving in the foreign legion for three years, a legionnaire may apply for French citizenship.[3] He must be serving under his real name, must no longer have problems with the authorities, and must have served with "honour and fidelity".[17] Furthermore, a soldier who becomes injured during a battle for France can immediately apply for French citizenship under a provision known as "Français par le sang versé" ("French by spilled blood").[3]


I suppose it isn't guaranteed but it IS a path to citizenship. I don't know why you were so angry at the other poster.
 
2012-04-25 10:38:42 PM

Giltric: Why arent they offering free tuition to the best and brightest?


Good question. At the University of Chicago if you come from a family that makes less than $65,000 a year any tuition you can't pay is basically forgiven. Officially it's covered by an Odyssey scholarship but whats' really happening is the school is going "Just pay what you can of the tuition and we're good". If you're family makes between $65,000 and $90,000 they forgive at least half of what you can't afford. And there's talk they'll be expanding it. Keep in mind the U of Chicago has a much smaller endowment than Harvard and some other big name private schools. And here and there there are whispers it may do away with tuition all together for at least some students. Which is exactly what a good school should seek to do.

relcec: we have to put Harvard and the Cambridge on equal financial footing?


It's cheaper for an American to go to Cambridge than it is to go to Harvard. Not that many Americans bother to try to go to Cambridge, but yeah, as things are now, it's quite a bit cheaper to go to Cambridge or Oxford for that matter than Harvard. And then there are the costs of going to school in other countries, like Germany, where American students pay the same as German students, most places that's about 500 Euros a semester. German universities have the same tuition for all students, regardless of where they are from. So in that way they are superior to even English school, as they welcome everyone equally from all over the world. If you can get accepted by the school, then they very much want you to be there. And there are other countries where foreign students don't pay more than local students. And in some countries foreign students are able to receive financial aid. Granted when you're looking at covering a bill that amounts to a couple grand or so a year, you don't have many people seeking financial assistance in the first place, so may as well let anyone have access to it.
 
2012-04-25 11:17:19 PM
I've heard there are countries on the planet where student loans don't exist because the government actually provides post-secondary education to those who qualify for it.

Must suck to be a rich person in those countries.
 
2012-04-25 11:18:45 PM
Republicans say they are against any form of affirmative action and SAY they want college admittance based on ability.

Great. - Lets make it so the MOST qualified person gets into college not dependent on race, sports ability, or economics.

- NO MORE sports scholarships.
- Colleges have to accept students EVEN IF THEY CAN'T PAY. (the college charges more if you are rich to make up for the poor students)
- Colleges can no longer give extra consideration for people because their parents went to the college.
- Colleges can no longer give extra consideration to the family of those who donate to the college.


Wait... what's that? You like some of the qualification that are placed before pure academics when they help mostly white rich people?
 
2012-04-25 11:22:25 PM

Sabyen91: Housing, books, transit, extra program fees, cafeteria, parking if needed. Those expenses are hardly negligible. Housing itself can run you $7500 to $10000. Are you saying a college student can make that working weekends at the Glass Nickle?


Grrr fark ate my Weeners but to make it short and sweet...or bitter depending on how you view "sacrifice".... You live on campus and the state pays...cafeteria, transportation, extra fees are included even books...but not certain books,,,,the kind the prof "writes" which turns out to be 30 xeroxed pages stapled together that he never refers to but pockets the 300$ he charges isn't covered in fact he might need to find a different job...I'm king right?.

If living on campus is too cruel and unusual a punishment get a job, find roomates, eat ramen and take vitamins to prevent scurvey. Heres the golden farking ring, but noones gonna hand it to you on a silver platter. If you want it bad enough you will make sacrifices, the taxpayers shouldn't be the only ones making a sacrifice.
 
2012-04-25 11:22:28 PM
As an employee of a state university it would be against my economic self-interest to say this, but an overwhelming majority of students in our university are unqualified to study at the post-secondary level. College has become "the next thing to do" after high school for the majority of these kids, who have no real goals or dreams. Most are there just to party and be with their friends. These are not "students" (except in the study of drinking, date rape drugs and skating their way through course work). They have no business being in an institution of higher education.

Among other things, I tutor remedial math for these kids, and no lie these are kids who are flunking the remedial math course, struggling with concepts from 6th grade math. If these kids are dumb enough to go into debt and too stupid to understand the implications, then they deserve every dime of principal and interest they accrue (and can't understand because compound interest is waaaay beyond their computational abilities)

There used to be a time truly gifted students went on to college, and had good careers ahead of them upon graduation. A college degree meant that you could set a big goal for yourself and achieve it. Now every flunkie can go online and get a bogus Bachelors degree from the "University" of East Whipshiat and think they're qualified for a highly successful career. I have troubling news for you, junior - if everyone has a bachelors degree, then it basically renders it worthless.

/yes, off the lawn
 
2012-04-25 11:23:23 PM
winterwhile is frog balls retarded.
 
2012-04-25 11:24:24 PM

Giltric: Sabyen91: Housing, books, transit, extra program fees, cafeteria, parking if needed. Those expenses are hardly negligible. Housing itself can run you $7500 to $10000. Are you saying a college student can make that working weekends at the Glass Nickle?

Grrr fark ate my Weeners but to make it short and sweet...or bitter depending on how you view "sacrifice".... You live on campus and the state pays...cafeteria, transportation, extra fees are included even books...but not certain books,,,,the kind the prof "writes" which turns out to be 30 xeroxed pages stapled together that he never refers to but pockets the 300$ he charges isn't covered in fact he might need to find a different job...I'm king right?.

If living on campus is too cruel and unusual a punishment get a job, find roomates, eat ramen and take vitamins to prevent scurvey. Heres the golden farking ring, but noones gonna hand it to you on a silver platter. If you want it bad enough you will make sacrifices, the taxpayers shouldn't be the only ones making a sacrifice.


Ok...works for me.

/Socialist!
 
2012-04-25 11:28:10 PM

winterwhile: (rampant derping)


i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-25 11:29:07 PM

Macular Degenerate: As an employee of a state university it would be against my economic self-interest to say this, but an overwhelming majority of students in our university are unqualified to study at the post-secondary level. College has become "the next thing to do" after high school for the majority of these kids, who have no real goals or dreams. Most are there just to party and be with their friends. These are not "students" (except in the study of drinking, date rape drugs and skating their way through course work). They have no business being in an institution of higher education.

Among other things, I tutor remedial math for these kids, and no lie these are kids who are flunking the remedial math course, struggling with concepts from 6th grade math. If these kids are dumb enough to go into debt and too stupid to understand the implications, then they deserve every dime of principal and interest they accrue (and can't understand because compound interest is waaaay beyond their computational abilities)

There used to be a time truly gifted students went on to college, and had good careers ahead of them upon graduation. A college degree meant that you could set a big goal for yourself and achieve it. Now every flunkie can go online and get a bogus Bachelors degree from the "University" of East Whipshiat and think they're qualified for a highly successful career. I have troubling news for you, junior - if everyone has a bachelors degree, then it basically renders it worthless.

/yes, off the lawn


This makes no sense. I think your anger is misplaced. There aren't many more college grads now than any time in the past 50 years. It isn't that the degree is less important...it is more important than ever. The problem is all wages, across the board, have bottomed out. Corporations have been cutting jobs while forcing salaried employees to do more. Cutting costs in this era is nothing but cutting jobs and spreading their work to the rest of the staff.
 
2012-04-25 11:30:45 PM

Sabyen91: /Socialist!


Heh, you are forgetting that after graduation there are no more free rides....its all bootstraps. Still game? I'll offer you a solid foundation to build your future on but the rest is up to you.....

The world needs ditch diggers too....I should know. I am one....but my shovels come with climate control, comfortable seats and cd players...they also have cost me up to 500k for used ones.
 
2012-04-25 11:32:36 PM

Giltric: Sabyen91: /Socialist!

Heh, you are forgetting that after graduation there are no more free rides....its all bootstraps. Still game? I'll offer you a solid foundation to build your future on but the rest is up to you.....

The world needs ditch diggers too....I should know. I am one....but my shovels come with climate control, comfortable seats and cd players...they also have cost me up to 500k for used ones.


Are you saying we bring back debtor's prisons and poor houses for the elderly?
 
2012-04-25 11:38:18 PM

Sabyen91: There aren't many more college grads now than any time in the past 50 years. It isn't that the degree is less important...it is more important than ever. The problem is all wages, across the board, have bottomed out.


When I was young there was not much emphasis placed on going to and graduating college. Now it is more important then ever......When my kids graduated HS hardly any of their friends didn't go to college....When I was a kid hardly any of my friends went to college.

I'd have to do further research on how may kids go to and graduate college through the last 50 years or so butgoing out on a limb here... I think college degrees have become so commonplace it is helping to depress wages, and there are not enough jobs to support the amount of graduates we have.
 
2012-04-25 11:38:42 PM

WhyteRaven74: It's cheaper for an American to go to Cambridge than it is to go to Harvard.


Actually, almost all the Ivies have extremely generous need-based aid. From what I understand, families that make below $60,000 are not expected to contribute to tuition and families below $150,000 only pay 0-10% of the cost. If you can get in to Harvard, you can probably afford to go there.

Now, non-Ivy private schools are a different matter and will bankrupt you right quick.

/as I know from sad experience -_-
 
2012-04-25 11:39:44 PM

Sabyen91: Are you saying we bring back debtor's prisons and poor houses for the elderly?


No I think we should have a yearly national Shark fishing tournament an use them as chum....I'm still king right?
 
2012-04-25 11:41:14 PM

Giltric: Sabyen91: There aren't many more college grads now than any time in the past 50 years. It isn't that the degree is less important...it is more important than ever. The problem is all wages, across the board, have bottomed out.

When I was young there was not much emphasis placed on going to and graduating college. Now it is more important then ever......When my kids graduated HS hardly any of their friends didn't go to college....When I was a kid hardly any of my friends went to college.

I'd have to do further research on how may kids go to and graduate college through the last 50 years or so butgoing out on a limb here... I think college degrees have become so commonplace it is helping to depress wages, and there are not enough jobs to support the amount of graduates we have.


That is why we have an emphasis on going to college now. Without it you are pretty much doomed to be below the poverty line. With it you have a chance to not be below the poverty line. Back then you could make a living wage working at a factory. Now, you can't.
 
2012-04-25 11:42:28 PM

Giltric: Sabyen91: Are you saying we bring back debtor's prisons and poor houses for the elderly?

No I think we should have a yearly national Shark fishing tournament an use them as chum....I'm still king right?


We could just make sure Badger Guns was still in business. That will lower population and there will be more resources for the survivors. :)
 
2012-04-25 11:48:23 PM

Sabyen91: Giltric: Sabyen91: There aren't many more college grads now than any time in the past 50 years. It isn't that the degree is less important...it is more important than ever. The problem is all wages, across the board, have bottomed out.

When I was young there was not much emphasis placed on going to and graduating college. Now it is more important then ever......When my kids graduated HS hardly any of their friends didn't go to college....When I was a kid hardly any of my friends went to college.

I'd have to do further research on how may kids go to and graduate college through the last 50 years or so butgoing out on a limb here... I think college degrees have become so commonplace it is helping to depress wages, and there are not enough jobs to support the amount of graduates we have.

That is why we have an emphasis on going to college now. Without it you are pretty much doomed to be below the poverty line. With it you have a chance to not be below the poverty line. Back then you could make a living wage working at a factory. Now, you can't.


How much more per hour does having a degree get someone working as a barista?

You need more to stand out from every other college graduate applying to the same job these days...the degree is what used to make you stand out...so whats next?
 
2012-04-25 11:51:53 PM

Giltric: Sabyen91: Giltric: Sabyen91: There aren't many more college grads now than any time in the past 50 years. It isn't that the degree is less important...it is more important than ever. The problem is all wages, across the board, have bottomed out.

When I was young there was not much emphasis placed on going to and graduating college. Now it is more important then ever......When my kids graduated HS hardly any of their friends didn't go to college....When I was a kid hardly any of my friends went to college.

I'd have to do further research on how may kids go to and graduate college through the last 50 years or so butgoing out on a limb here... I think college degrees have become so commonplace it is helping to depress wages, and there are not enough jobs to support the amount of graduates we have.

That is why we have an emphasis on going to college now. Without it you are pretty much doomed to be below the poverty line. With it you have a chance to not be below the poverty line. Back then you could make a living wage working at a factory. Now, you can't.

How much more per hour does having a degree get someone working as a barista?

You need more to stand out from every other college graduate applying to the same job these days...the degree is what used to make you stand out...so whats next?


Most decent jobs require a BA or BS. There are no good jobs for those with a high school education. Factories no longer pay a decent wage because of what politicians have done and what corporations are doing (shipping our jobs overseas). The middle class is dying. The Walmartization of the US is almost complete.
 
2012-04-26 12:03:45 AM
Fark Todd. And fark his friend Tucker too.
 
2012-04-26 12:27:32 AM
Remember Folks, help the shills like winterwhile, end of the month quotas are coming!
 
2012-04-26 12:31:13 AM
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2012-04-26 12:32:14 AM

HeartBurnKid: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: GAT_00: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: ManateeGag: Grand_Moff_Joseph: And his competition doesn't know what the Violence Against Women Act is because "I haven't been elected yet".

MORONS.

there should be a rudimentary test of the laws on the land. if you cannot pass the test, you cannot run for a federal government office.

First question: Do you want to run for federal office?

(Anyone who answers "yes" automatically fails.)

See, this is incredibly stupid. Why exactly do you want apathetic people in charge of your government? Do you really want the President to get a call about whatever crisis and go 'fark it, I'm tired of this job?' I mean, if you want that, please vote for Sarah Palin.

People who want to be in power should, under no circumstances, be allowed to be in power.

To jump off of that point, I propose we convert the House into a lottery system.

-Citizens are eligible for the lottery after reaching age 25, or graduating from a college/university/trade school; whichever comes first
-Every two years, a person is chosen by lottery, just like jury duty. Once picked, a person is barred from being picked again for at least 4 years.
-That person represents their district in the House for a standard 2 year term. At the end of the term, the lottery is held again.
-While serving, the chosen person is compensated at 110% of their last year's individual salary, up to $75K. That person will also be reimbursed (at std. rates) for trips home, up to a maximum of 4 per year.
-Meanwhile, the Senate will remain an elected body, but with terms reduced to 4 years from 6

I like this idea. Only thing I'd add is that, upon completion of a house term, the representative's former employer is required to offer back his old position or an equivalent one, with at least the same pay adjusted for inflation.


Agreed 100%. I would also add these items too:

-The person chosen may not accept any gift larger than $10 from any corporation, advocacy group or lobbyist
-Participation by citizens over 65 is optional. If such person is chosen, they (and they alone) have the ability to decline to serve. should they do so, a second name will be drawn immediately.
 
2012-04-26 12:43:59 AM
The main purpose of student loans should not be to make a profit for a corporation who does nothing but play "middle man". What purpose does allowing a private company to borrow the money basically right now intrest free from the government sothey can charge to loan itto the student? None. It's a total waste and mires the student in more debt than practical. Student loans should be 100% federal and intrest free or as low as possible and only purpose should be to educate as many Americans as possible.

Then when these better educated people get better and higher paying jobs they not only pay a higher tax rate (more tax revenue for the government), not being shackled by massive student loan debt they are able to use the private loan sector to buy cars, houses, boats, etc. It's a win for all and makes way more sense than trying to milk the student dry with "private" student loans before they even graduate or get that good job. Plus the massive student debts after graduation prevent many graduates from taking entry level positions in their fields which could lead to the really good jobs because they can't afford to.

Doing things for profit's sake which should be done for the "common good" is what is slowly destroying this country from within more than any president with a funny Muslimy sounding name.
 
2012-04-26 12:51:28 AM

Chameleon: From what I understand, families that make below $60,000 are not expected to contribute to tuition


The only places where that's the case is a non-Ivy, the U of Chicago. Basically you pay what you can and they forgive the rest. And they say so right upfront. Go to Harvard's financial aid page and there's nothing of the sort. Also U of Chicago also provides merit scholarships, and it's among the only private schools that do. Really when you look at their endowments there's no reason for any Ivy to have tuition for anyone ever. As it stands, right now the only college that doesn't have tuition is Cooper Union.

Giltric: You need more to stand out from every other college graduate applying to the same job these days...the degree is what used to make you stand out...so whats next?


Perhaps instead of looking at the people who want the jobs, we should be looking at the employers. And perhaps expect them to actually have some sane hiring practices, like they used to. There's no reason for anything to have really changed over the last 20 plus years. But they've changed things.
 
2012-04-26 01:12:38 AM
What the motherfarking fark? This is the third time this week I've heard this talking point. Is the GOP really this motherfarking stupid to set themselves against federal student loans? Goddamn if they aren't actively trying to alienate every possible constituency that's out there:

* People of Mexican ancestry
* Women
* People with student loans
* The 99%
* Non-fetuses
* ....

How the hell are you bastards going to win elections catering to the 1% of the 1% of the 1%? Are you trying to tank your party? Daaaaaamn.
 
2012-04-26 01:17:53 AM
Lemme guess... yep. Born 1947.

As usual with the baby boomer generation - climb the ladder, kick it down behind you. Then complain when the next group doesn't show your gumption.
 
2012-04-26 01:33:27 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: Are you trying to tank your party?


Unfortunately, Republicans realize that nutcases are far more likely to vote than sane people.
 
2012-04-26 02:15:10 AM
I'm about 5 miles from the edge of his district.. it's mostly Strip Mall Hell over there these days, and full of people who decided that St. Louis City and St. Louis County weren't white, er, REPUBLICAN enough for them, so they move out there, and commute an hour to work.
 
2012-04-26 02:22:01 AM

Giltric: Sabyen91: There aren't many more college grads now than any time in the past 50 years. It isn't that the degree is less important...it is more important than ever. The problem is all wages, across the board, have bottomed out.

When I was young there was not much emphasis placed on going to and graduating college. Now it is more important then ever......When my kids graduated HS hardly any of their friends didn't go to college....When I was a kid hardly any of my friends went to college.

I'd have to do further research on how may kids go to and graduate college through the last 50 years or so butgoing out on a limb here... I think college degrees have become so commonplace it is helping to depress wages, and there are not enough jobs to support the amount of graduates we have.


One of (not the only) booms in college education was the Vietnam War and draft deferments. It also coincided with a burgeoning middle class and a world where more families could afford to assist a kid in going to college. On top of that, many states had relatively cheap and good systems. In California, the top 12.5% of high school graduates had affordable places for themselves in the state university system and that system was the envy of the world. The next 25% had places in the state colleges and there were also community colleges for kids who still needed to do some catching up to be ready for college.

But by 1978 the anti-tax crusades passed CA prop. 13 and truly affordable secondary education in California and many other places was finished.
Fees that were a few hundred dollars a year rapidly moved up to many thousands. Despite increasing enrollment in many state colleges, they did not add professors and classrooms so a 4 year degree often took 6 years because you couldn't even schedule Freshman English until your 3rd year.

More recently, as direct aid continues to decrease, costs increase, loans have been pushed as the solution. Many a family desiring to send the first of many generations to school fall for the marketing that claims you can pay a loan back due to higher earnings even though those earnings are in rapid decline and depend greatly on the quality of the college and the type of degree.
 
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