winterwhile: LeroyBourne: Ohh man, when I was going to college during the summer I worked 2 jobs. I would work a morning shift at job A go home, have a beer, then go to night job B. Six days a week for both jobs, I either had a morning off or a night off, and it rarely fell on the same day, so I basically never had a full day off. At the end of summer I made a cool 14k, but it basically went right into my education. I did that for 2 years, then said, fark it, I'm taking some loans out.

I did 2 jobs (one at night, and one on the weekend) for my entire 4 years of college.

ended up with no student loans

I did work in a restuarant as a cook, so I even ate well on the weekends.

Perhaps you should've taken out some loans so you could concentrate on your education instead of working. You apparently didn't pay enough attention in your Composition courses.

winterwhile: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

How are student LOANS 'giving' money to college students?

Right. I'm just saying if we had a big auto bailout, and a wall street bail out, we should have a student loan amnesty program, too. We have got to be fair here.

How about a bail out for the common taxpayer??? you know those of us who pay taxes.

It's called the payroll tax break. You should plead with your GOP masters, and maybe they won't let it expire.

theknuckler_33: Sabyen91: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

Declaring bankruptcy doesn't necessarily discharge student loans.

/Just a minor point in case you thought they did.

As true as that is, a subsidy on them is not what would be keeping someone in the workforce. Especially under the circumstance where student loan debt can't be cancelled by bankruptcy, I would imagine that kind of the debt would the lowest on the priority list of things to pay for.

1. means of getting a paycheck
2. place to live
3. food
4. clothes
5. healthcare
6. credit card and other non-student loan debt
7. student loan debt

that's a 20-second thought process of priorities if I currently had a job and lots of student loan debt.

but if the banks are giving you a lot of grief about student loan debt, or you will never ever be able to pay it off in your life time, something has gone crazy here. And I don't mean the student loan borrowers. I mean the system that necessitates these crazy loans if you want to get a degree.

theknuckler_33: Sabyen91: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

Declaring bankruptcy doesn't necessarily discharge student loans.

/Just a minor point in case you thought they did.

As true as that is, a subsidy on them is not what would be keeping someone in the workforce. Especially under the circumstance where student loan debt can't be cancelled by bankruptcy, I would imagine that kind of the debt would the lowest on the priority list of things to pay for.

1. means of getting a paycheck
2. place to live
3. food
4. clothes
5. healthcare
6. credit card and other non-student loan debt
7. student loan debt

that's a 20-second thought process of priorities if I currently had a job and lots of student loan debt.

I fully agree. Maslov would say...fark the loan. There are some things that might limit what the defaulter can do though. Professional licenses can be denied and companies that check credit scores may not hire that person. It wouldn't keep them out of the workforce, though.

winterwhile: End_Of_Line: winterwhile:

In a few years (if they are lucky), Greece will figure out that they do not have enough revenue coming in to make it on their own, and go to the EU for another bailout . . .

Rinse and repeat as much as you like . . .

so, you are saying, a retirement age of 50

is sustainable???????

now apply that to Gov Motors, going back 20 years, where free this and that was given to retireeees

is sustainable????????????

I can go on

And that is the problem with your type . . . when showed the error in your supposed 'logic' you go and change the question, reverting to the past where you all seem to want to live.

Sorry there Skippy, the Matrix is not going to reboot this time. Man up and clean up the problem that has been handed to us or GTFO. I could care less either way.

Sabyen91: Maslov

Stupid brain...Maslow.

theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Kinda like how state governments don't send the different between out-of-state tuition and in-state tuition to students that live in-state.

Why??? create another entitlement

Give me one so I can have my windows washed every week?

I do need a window washing entitlement.

theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

First, you can't declare bankruptcy on student loans.

Second, if you don't have enough money to buy things, you can't have a car or put gas in it to get to work, or buy food to hold down a job, etc. That's sidelines you as a worker bee.

So, however odd it seems, yes.

I'd take a guess that they'd pay for the means to get to work before they pay their student loans, so no.

That's what I mean. They won't be able to pay their student loans in this situation, so we shouldn't make them do it.

One ought not to do what one can't do.

You said "subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce" as if the former caused the latter. That is retarded.

I understand your reading it that way, but "and" can also be used in the conjunctive sense (this typically how it is used), and when used thus, in implies that both conjuncts are necessary conditions for some thing or other, not necessarily a causal relationship.

But, yeah, if we don't ease back the loans, etc., it will break people. Broken people can't work. In fact, by definition, broken people don't work.

machodonkeywrestler: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

give us a number.

please

The same we give to the oil companies yearly?

they pay more Taxes than GE did

you giving GE a break here?

Sabyen91: theknuckler_33: Sabyen91: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

Declaring bankruptcy doesn't necessarily discharge student loans.

/Just a minor point in case you thought they did.

As true as that is, a subsidy on them is not what would be keeping someone in the workforce. Especially under the circumstance where student loan debt can't be cancelled by bankruptcy, I would imagine that kind of the debt would the lowest on the priority list of things to pay for.

1. means of getting a paycheck
2. place to live
3. food
4. clothes
5. healthcare
6. credit card and other non-student loan debt
7. student loan debt

that's a 20-second thought process of priorities if I currently had a job and lots of student loan debt.

I fully agree. Maslov would say...fark the loan. There are some things that might limit what the defaulter can do though. Professional licenses can be denied and companies that check credit scores may not hire that person. It wouldn't keep them out of the workforce, though.

It could very well break them in the head, make them insane, depressed. Broken, if you will.

winterwhile: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Kinda like how state governments don't send the different between out-of-state tuition and in-state tuition to students that live in-state.

Why??? create another entitlement

Give me one so I can have my windows washed every week?

I do need a window washing entitlement.

I'm pretty sure the crazy guy who lives under the bridge and yells at clouds doesn't have windows.

Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

First, you can't declare bankruptcy on student loans.

Second, if you don't have enough money to buy things, you can't have a car or put gas in it to get to work, or buy food to hold down a job, etc. That's sidelines you as a worker bee.

So, however odd it seems, yes.

I'd take a guess that they'd pay for the means to get to work before they pay their student loans, so no.

That's what I mean. They won't be able to pay their student loans in this situation, so we shouldn't make them do it.

One ought not to do what one can't do.

You said "subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce" as if the former caused the latter. That is retarded.

I understand your reading it that way, but "and" can also be used in the conjunctive sense (this typically how it is used), and when used thus, in implies that both conjuncts are necessary conditions for some thing or other, not necessarily a causal relationship.

But, yeah, if we don't ease back the loans, etc., it will break people. Broken people can't work. In fact, by definition, broken people don't work.

Yeah, I think you both pretty much agree.

/Amnesty! Amnesty!

Grand_Moff_Joseph: winterwhile: Bhasayate: birdboy2000: Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

This.

So... how much money are you willin to send to a college student? Their hands are out.

Well, we blow $15B in Afghanistan every 45 days, so we can start there. then add on oil subsidies, corn subsidies, half of the Pentagon's wish list, and all congressional salaries.

Afghanistan is an Liberal war, for Obama

and you are losing it.

try again

winterwhile: machodonkeywrestler: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

give us a number.

please

The same we give to the oil companies yearly?

they pay more Taxes than GE did

you giving GE a break here?

Nope.

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Well, we blow $15B in Afghanistan every 45 days, so we can start there. then add on oil subsidies, corn subsidies, half of the Pentagon's wish list, and all congressional salaries.

How much money are you willing to pay out-of-pocket to crash a drone into the Iranian countryside?

We can have a bake sale to fund the replacement!

I'd say we host a Telethon to procure torture equipment, but American Dad already did that.

cameroncrazy1984: Surool: If you were rich enough for your opinion to matter, you wouldn't have paid more in taxes

Ouch, good point.

Sorry man. I just had to point that out.

End_Of_Line:

Sorry there Skippy, the Matrix is not going to reboot this time. Man up and clean up the problem that has been handed to us or GTFO. I could care less either way.

we are manning up, cleaning house of Obama this fall.

Bhasayate: It could very well break them in the head, make them insane, depressed. Broken, if you will.

It is definitely a burden and a hardship for people with lesser means. It is also crazy. Take someone that goes to school for social work. It is a necessary job and it is also a low paying sector. They might not make much more than if they worked at a factory but it is a vital service and generally takes a Master's Degree. We are pricing people out of a LOT of important jobs.

birdboy2000: Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

Nope... just that sweet sweet capitalism at work. Nothing is worth doing that doesn't let a middle man or two make a couple bucks off the sweat of the working classes.

I think is wonderful that republicans are choosing targets such as birth control, student loans, and tax cuts/loopholes for corporations and multi-millionaries while cutting social services.

Please keep on with your good work.

winterwhile: we are manning up, cleaning house of Obama this fall.

Great news... I need me some RomneyCare!

karmaceutical: birdboy2000: Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

Nope... just that sweet sweet capitalism at work. Nothing is worth doing that doesn't let a middle man or two make a couple bucks off the sweat of the working classes.

How did central planning work in Russia? Shall we try that here??? Oh wait.. Obama is trying.

Sabyen91: Bhasayate: It could very well break them in the head, make them insane, depressed. Broken, if you will.

It is definitely a burden and a hardship for people with lesser means. It is also crazy. Take someone that goes to school for social work. It is a necessary job and it is also a low paying sector. They might not make much more than if they worked at a factory but it is a vital service and generally takes a Master's Degree. We are pricing people out of a LOT of important jobs.

Totally. Just about anyone in education needs at least an MA. And you if you want a good job, you need a PhD.

Maybe we need something like the education army. Go to school, then you get to teach for a few years, like being in the service, then your school is all paid up.

Enemabag Jones: I think is wonderful that republicans are choosing targets such as birth control, student loans, and tax cuts/loopholes for corporations and multi-millionaries while cutting social services.

Please keep on with your good work.

and dem-o-rats are staging a war on women, tax the rich, so jobs go away, and my Fav.. throwing Grandma to the death Pannel with Obamacare

keep it up

The_Gallant_Gallstone: winterwhile: we are manning up, cleaning house of Obama this fall.

Great news... I need me some RomneyCare!

It will be really cool since Romneycare will cover abortions like it did in Massachusetts, unlike cheapskate Obamacare.

Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

How are student LOANS 'giving' money to college students?

when you change the interest rate, yes it is

economics 101

Obama is suggesting NOT changing the interest rate, correct?

reading comprehension 101.

Forget it. keep flinging poo.

I say lower the rate to like almost nothing. Students work hard. They'll get good jobs, make the economy better, stronger.

Grad student about to graduate here, unable to find a job. Maybe we'll get good jobs in a few years when the economy starts up.

Bhasayate: Sabyen91:

Maybe we need something like the education army. Go to school, then you get to teach for a few years, like being in the service, then your school is all paid up.

you have to Love Socialism

winterwhile: karmaceutical: birdboy2000: Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

Nope... just that sweet sweet capitalism at work. Nothing is worth doing that doesn't let a middle man or two make a couple bucks off the sweat of the working classes.

How did central planning work in Russia? Shall we try that here??? Oh wait.. Obama is trying.

Do people ever really listen to you?

winterwhile: Bhasayate: Sabyen91:

Maybe we need something like the education army. Go to school, then you get to teach for a few years, like being in the service, then your school is all paid up.

you have to Love Socialism

This isn't socialism, not any more than being in the US Army = Socialism.

winterwhile: Enemabag Jones: I think is wonderful that republicans are choosing targets such as birth control, student loans, and tax cuts/loopholes for corporations and multi-millionaries while cutting social services.

Please keep on with your good work.

and dem-o-rats are staging a war on women, tax the rich, so jobs go away, and my Fav.. throwing Grandma to the death Pannel with Obamacare

keep it up

Dem-o-rats, clever. And you even brought up death panels, something the Ryan budget would come closer to than anything proposed by the Obama administration. Nice job with the intellectual dishonesty about the war on women, too.

/Does intellectual dishonesty preclude an intellect. If so then pay no attention to my last statement.

Lackofname: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: theknuckler_33: winterwhile:

Grad student about to graduate here, unable to find a job. Maybe we'll get good jobs in a few years when the economy starts up.

vote for Obama, and get your freebe's

your job can wait, Obama has put 2 million out of work, they are ahead of you.

Lackofname: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

How are student LOANS 'giving' money to college students?

when you change the interest rate, yes it is

economics 101

Obama is suggesting NOT changing the interest rate, correct?

reading comprehension 101.

Forget it. keep flinging poo.

I say lower the rate to like almost nothing. Students work hard. They'll get good jobs, make the economy better, stronger.

Grad student about to graduate here, unable to find a job. Maybe we'll get good jobs in a few years when the economy starts up.

Ditto. We can hope!

karmaceutical: winterwhile: karmaceutical: birdboy2000: Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

Nope... just that sweet sweet capitalism at work. Nothing is worth doing that doesn't let a middle man or two make a couple bucks off the sweat of the working classes.

How did central planning work in Russia? Shall we try that here??? Oh wait.. Obama is trying.

Do people ever really listen to you?

I only see winterwank posts when people quote them.

Bhasayate: winterwhile: Bhasayate: Sabyen91:

Maybe we need something like the education army. Go to school, then you get to teach for a few years, like being in the service, then your school is all paid up.

you have to Love Socialism

This isn't socialism, not any more than being in the US Army = Socialism.

The Army has a function.. protecting America.. and you do get sent somewhere to kill bad guys.

winterwhile: Bhasayate: winterwhile: Bhasayate: Sabyen91:

Maybe we need something like the education army. Go to school, then you get to teach for a few years, like being in the service, then your school is all paid up.

you have to Love Socialism

This isn't socialism, not any more than being in the US Army = Socialism.

The Army has a function.. protecting America.. and you do get sent somewhere to kill bad guys.

There's a lot of bad guys that need killing. Give some grad students some guns, let them take out their aggressions, pay their loans. It's a win-win.

DamnYankees: I don't find this claim dumb as much as inexplicable. Seriously what does this even mean?

"I are a retard. I can count to potatoe."

Surool: karmaceutical: winterwhile: karmaceutical: birdboy2000: Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

Nope... just that sweet sweet capitalism at work. Nothing is worth doing that doesn't let a middle man or two make a couple bucks off the sweat of the working classes.

How did central planning work in Russia? Shall we try that here??? Oh wait.. Obama is trying.

Do people ever really listen to you?

I only see winterwank posts when people quote them.

I ignore nobody. Metaphorically, I want to see the car crashes.

cameroncrazy1984: Bhasayate: winterwhile: Bhasayate: winterwhile: Bhasayate: Sabyen91:

Maybe we need something like the education army. Go to school, then you get to teach for a few years, like being in the service, then your school is all paid up.

you have to Love Socialism

This isn't socialism, not any more than being in the US Army = Socialism.

The Army has a function.. protecting America.. and you do get sent somewhere to kill bad guys.

There's a lot of bad guys that need killing. Give some grad students some guns, let them take out their aggressions, pay their loans. It's a win-win.

Be careful, you might make him break his brain trying to figure out how that's bad for Obama.

Hey, I don't care who adopts this plan. If Obama really did that, I'd vote for him in a second. He's not going to, of course.

Bhasayate: Sabyen91: Bhasayate: It could very well break them in the head, make them insane, depressed. Broken, if you will.

It is definitely a burden and a hardship for people with lesser means. It is also crazy. Take someone that goes to school for social work. It is a necessary job and it is also a low paying sector. They might not make much more than if they worked at a factory but it is a vital service and generally takes a Master's Degree. We are pricing people out of a LOT of important jobs.

Totally. Just about anyone in education needs at least an MA. And you if you want a good job, you need a PhD.

Maybe we need something like the education army. Go to school, then you get to teach for a few years, like being in the service, then your school is all paid up.

The Dems did set up the PSLF for people who work a few years in certain public service positions in 2007. It needs to be expanded though.

/Bush signed it into law so that is one good thing he did.

winterwhile: End_Of_Line:

Sorry there Skippy, the Matrix is not going to reboot this time. Man up and clean up the problem that has been handed to us or GTFO. I could care less either way.

we are manning up, cleaning house of Obama this fall.

Then you should "man up" and accept the bet I've proposed to you. If Obama loses the presidency, I'll sponsor you for TotalFark for the entirety of Romney's tenure as POTUS. If Obama wins, you leave. No coming back, no alts, no other handles, no inane posts. Nothing. A mod permabans an IPbans you. And the best part? Forever.

So will you man up, or will you continue to be a coward? Just say the word and I'll email the mods and Drew himself to keep it authenticated.

Sabyen91: Bhasayate: Sabyen91: Bhasayate: It could very well break them in the head, make them insane, depressed. Broken, if you will.

It is definitely a burden and a hardship for people with lesser means. It is also crazy. Take someone that goes to school for social work. It is a necessary job and it is also a low paying sector. They might not make much more than if they worked at a factory but it is a vital service and generally takes a Master's Degree. We are pricing people out of a LOT of important jobs.

Totally. Just about anyone in education needs at least an MA. And you if you want a good job, you need a PhD.

Maybe we need something like the education army. Go to school, then you get to teach for a few years, like being in the service, then your school is all paid up.

The Dems did set up the PSLF for people who work a few years in certain public service positions in 2007. It needs to be expanded though.

/Bush signed it into law so that is one good thing he did.

Sweet. I think this program should be greatly expanded.