winterwhile: LeroyBourne: Ohh man, when I was going to college during the summer I worked 2 jobs. I would work a morning shift at job A go home, have a beer, then go to night job B. Six days a week for both jobs, I either had a morning off or a night off, and it rarely fell on the same day, so I basically never had a full day off. At the end of summer I made a cool 14k, but it basically went right into my education. I did that for 2 years, then said, fark it, I'm taking some loans out.

I did 2 jobs (one at night, and one on the weekend) for my entire 4 years of college.

ended up with no student loans

I did work in a restuarant as a cook, so I even ate well on the weekends.

Bullshiat. The only things you can even do is spread hatred, lie about being sick, and annoy people. College education not needed.

winterwhile: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

How are student LOANS 'giving' money to college students?

Right. I'm just saying if we had a big auto bailout, and a wall street bail out, we should have a student loan amnesty program, too. We have got to be fair here.

How about a bail out for the common taxpayer??? you know those of us who pay taxes.

You realize student loan interest is tax deductible, don't you? God you are farking retarded.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Bhasayate: Right. I'm just saying if we had a big auto bailout, and a wall street bail out, we should have a student loan amnesty program, too. We have got to be fair here.

When college kids with 85K in debt can fly their private jets to Capitol Hill to demand their bail-outs, then maybe we will see it happen.

I think those with student loans could engage in mass civil disobedience. Just don't pay the loans. They can't put everyone in jail for that.

republicans really need to vote out these douchebags that use socialism to attempt to indict everything they disagree with. it clouds the the issues and is the laziest form of argument imaginable.

Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: theknuckler_33: winterwhile:

I mean, I almost don't care if they raise taxes a whole lot more. Education is important.

If you realy believed that, education is important, you would get the Gov out of the Business of Farkin it up

the Education bubble has arrived, do you thik its any different than the Housing bubble?

Both caused by the same folks?

relcec: republicans really need to vote out these douchebags that use socialism to attempt to indict everything they disagree with. it clouds the the issues and is the laziest form of argument imaginable.

If Republicans did that, there would be no Republicans left.

winterwhile: Both caused by the same folks?

The Banks that took full advantage of deregulation and got too carried away with it?

winterwhile: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

How are student LOANS 'giving' money to college students?

Right. I'm just saying if we had a big auto bailout, and a wall street bail out, we should have a student loan amnesty program, too. We have got to be fair here.

How about a bail out for the common taxpayer??? you know those of us who pay taxes.

So...not you then.

winterwhile:
15 Trillion in the hole, where would you get the money? Borrow it from the chinese? Or just print it and make all my savings worthless?

Pretty simple actually. Your type are so worried about 'socialism' and 'communism' and just love the 'free-market', right? Then we end all subsidies to all energy companies. Everyone in the country pays a flat 15% tax with no deductions. Every billionaire, every welfare-mother, and every business. In addition, a simple 1% tax on everything purchased in the country, 5% if it is from a foreign source. Fund education properly but at the same time understand that there needs to be decent paying jobs for those unable/unwilling to continue education after high school. That means 'public works' projects like infrastructure and the like. The more people working means more people paying taxes and buying stuff. Will it fix 15 trillion overnight, hell no! But it is much better than this 'austerity' bulls**t! Don't believe me, take a closer look at Europe.

relcec: republicans really need to vote out these douchebags that use socialism to attempt to indict everything they disagree with. it clouds the the issues and is the laziest form of argument imaginable.

It could wind up as a "Boy Who Cried Wolf" scenario. If Marxism ever makes a comeback, the populace could be desensitized to the "socialism as demonization" tactic.

Bhasayate: I think those with student loans could engage in mass civil disobedience. Just don't pay the loans. They can't put everyone in jail for that.

Something was in the works... they were waiting until they got 100,000 folks to agree and then stop payment simultaneously... I think it petered out though.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: winterwhile: which is going to cost what? economics 101....... again

A radical reconfiguration of the Department of Defense and the cessation of foreign aggression would free up the funds needed for an "Educational New Deal."

Bhasayate: Right. I'm just saying if we had a big auto bailout, and a wall street bail out, we should have a student loan amnesty program, too. We have got to be fair here.

When college kids with 85K in debt can fly their private jets to Capitol Hill to demand their bail-outs, then maybe we will see it happen.

If you pay 90K/yr for college

you get to ask the health providers to pay your 1K/yr to Fark around (Free health bennies, as we all know its all free)

Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

Mrtraveler01: winterwhile: Both caused by the same folks?

The Banks that took full advantage of deregulation and got too carried away with it?

they did? Did you ask Barny Frank, or Chris Dodd? Who wrote all the rules.

winterwhile: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: theknuckler_33: winterwhile:

I mean, I almost don't care if they raise taxes a whole lot more. Education is important.

If you realy believed that, education is important, you would get the Gov out of the Business of Farkin it up

the Education bubble has arrived, do you thik its any different than the Housing bubble?

Both caused by the same folks?

I think I agree with some of these things you say. The education bubble will pop.

But, I mean, I think one of my main points is that they (the gov.) can't seriously expect everyone to pay all their loans back. It'd be massively oppressive.

Once the shiat really hits the fan, then it'll really get bad: even responsible people are going to get completely buried by student loan debt.

It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Bhasayate: I think those with student loans could engage in mass civil disobedience. Just don't pay the loans. They can't put everyone in jail for that.

Something was in the works... they were waiting until they got 100,000 folks to agree and then stop payment simultaneously... I think it petered out though.

I think this will just happen naturally, when people just can't pay them anymore. And that day probably will come.

End_Of_Line: winterwhile:
15 Trillion in the hole, where would you get the money? Borrow it from the chinese? Or just print it and make all my savings worthless?

Pretty simple actually. Your type are so worried about 'socialism' and 'communism' and just love the 'free-market', right? Then we end all subsidies to all energy companies. Everyone in the country pays a flat 15% tax with no deductions. Every billionaire, every welfare-mother, and every business. In addition, a simple 1% tax on everything purchased in the country, 5% if it is from a foreign source. Fund education properly but at the same time understand that there needs to be decent paying jobs for those unable/unwilling to continue education after high school. That means 'public works' projects like infrastructure and the like. The more people working means more people paying taxes and buying stuff. Will it fix 15 trillion overnight, hell no! But it is much better than this 'austerity' bulls**t! Don't believe me, take a closer look at Europe.

ummmmmm.. Europe is callin you.. wants a low interest loan... can you lend Greese some money?

Mrtraveler01: Try having this guy as your representative.

I knew he was a braindead bible-thumping Tea Party dickwad and now he gets to prove to the rest of the state that he is.

You and me both, you and me both...

We lived in Lacy Clay's district for a couple of years while renting an apartment, then a house, then moved out to right-wing-nutjob-ville (our neighbors across the street have a Confederate flag hanging in their garage and work on their souped-up truck in the driveway several weeks a year). We receive some shoddy local paper called the Mid Rivers Magazine, which always has the conservative/libertarian rants of Thomas Sowell on page 3 or 4. Last week, the issue we received indicated that Ron Paul had won some sort of county-wide Republican caucus. And we keep getting form letters from Akin's office--at the taxpayers' expense (I know, everyone does this because it's legal)--complaining about the latest threat from the president. I've taken the time to respond to a couple. Something tells me it won't have any effect.

birdboy2000: Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

This.

Bill Murray said I was weird: winterwhile: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

How are student LOANS 'giving' money to college students?

Right. I'm just saying if we had a big auto bailout, and a wall street bail out, we should have a student loan amnesty program, too. We have got to be fair here.

How about a bail out for the common taxpayer??? you know those of us who pay taxes.

So...not you then.

I pay around 20%

Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

Bhasayate: birdboy2000: Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

This.

So... how much money are you willin to send to a college student? Their hands are out.

winterwhile: you get to ask the health providers to pay your 1K/yr to Fark around (Free health bennies, as we all know its all free

Georgetown health insurance is paid out of student fees, is not free.

But I wouldn't expect you to know basic things that you're arguing about.

Because you're just a shill

Best part...forever.

winterwhile: Bill Murray said I was weird: winterwhile: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

How are student LOANS 'giving' money to college students?

Right. I'm just saying if we had a big auto bailout, and a wall street bail out, we should have a student loan amnesty program, too. We have got to be fair here.

How about a bail out for the common taxpayer??? you know those of us who pay taxes.

So...not you then.

I pay around 20%

I pay more than you in taxes. Therefore my opinion matters more than yours does.

The fourth stage of cancer must be voting Republican.

winterwhile: End_Of_Line: winterwhile:
15 Trillion in the hole, where would you get the money? Borrow it from the chinese? Or just print it and make all my savings worthless?

Pretty simple actually. Your type are so worried about 'socialism' and 'communism' and just love the 'free-market', right? Then we end all subsidies to all energy companies. Everyone in the country pays a flat 15% tax with no deductions. Every billionaire, every welfare-mother, and every business. In addition, a simple 1% tax on everything purchased in the country, 5% if it is from a foreign source. Fund education properly but at the same time understand that there needs to be decent paying jobs for those unable/unwilling to continue education after high school. That means 'public works' projects like infrastructure and the like. The more people working means more people paying taxes and buying stuff. Will it fix 15 trillion overnight, hell no! But it is much better than this 'austerity' bulls**t! Don't believe me, take a closer look at Europe.

ummmmmm.. Europe is callin you.. wants a low interest loan... can you lend Greese some money?

Since it went over your head, let me break it down for you.

Greece was farked, needed money. The EU said sure, but you need to cut your spending to get the loan.

So they cut pensions and just about every 'social' program they had, pulling hundreds of thousands out of work.

Now those people are on on welfare or just have nothing, meaning they pay nothing, buy nothing, do nothing.

In a few years (if they are lucky), Greece will figure out that they do not have enough revenue coming in to make it on their own, and go to the EU for another bailout . . .

Rinse and repeat as much as you like . . .

winterwhile: Bhasayate: birdboy2000: Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

This.

So... how much money are you willin to send to a college student? Their hands are out.

As much, I suppose, as I shill out for the other grades of public school, I suppose.

Winterderp must be doing some serious threadshiatting. Good thing I've got him on ignore.

winterwhile: Bill Murray said I was weird: winterwhile: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

How are student LOANS 'giving' money to college students?

Right. I'm just saying if we had a big auto bailout, and a wall street bail out, we should have a student loan amnesty program, too. We have got to be fair here.

How about a bail out for the common taxpayer??? you know those of us who pay taxes.

So...not you then.

I pay around 20%

Prove it.

theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

First, you can't declare bankruptcy on student loans.

Second, if you don't have enough money to buy things, you can't have a car or put gas in it to get to work, or buy food to hold down a job, etc. That's sidelines you as a worker bee.

So, however odd it seems, yes.

12349876: Winterderp must be doing some serious threadshiatting. Good thing I've got him on ignore.

He wants to know how much you are willing to give to needy students who have student loans to repay.

Bill Murray said I was weird: winterwhile: Bill Murray said I was weird: winterwhile: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

How are student LOANS 'giving' money to college students?

Right. I'm just saying if we had a big auto bailout, and a wall street bail out, we should have a student loan amnesty program, too. We have got to be fair here.

How about a bail out for the common taxpayer??? you know those of us who pay taxes.

So...not you then.

I pay around 20%

Prove it.

yeah, post your tax returns. then we'll believe you.

theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

Declaring bankruptcy doesn't necessarily discharge student loans.

/Just a minor point in case you thought they did.

winterwhile: Bhasayate: birdboy2000: Most of Germany lets kids go to school for free, yet the US can't even manage to charge low interest rates for loans which can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The way higher education in the US is handled is criminal.

This.

So... how much money are you willin to send to a college student? Their hands are out.

It's pretty simple really. Too hard for you to understand, but it is simple. You know how there are 'state' colleges, like Penn State, University of California, Ohio State... pretty much every state in the country has one. People who go to those colleges and live in the state get lower tuition because socialism.

It would be pretty much the same thing, but nationally. There would be a number of 'national' colleges where US residents could go for free. It wouldn't be as good an education as going to Brown or Princeton, but it would be far better than a high school diploma. The government would pay the salaries of the people that work at those institutions. There would be no tuition. They wouldn't be sending money to individual students. Kinda like how state governments don't send the different between out-of-state tuition and in-state tuition to students that live in-state.

End_Of_Line: winterwhile:

In a few years (if they are lucky), Greece will figure out that they do not have enough revenue coming in to make it on their own, and go to the EU for another bailout . . .

Rinse and repeat as much as you like . . .

so, you are saying, a retirement age of 50

is sustainable???????

now apply that to Gov Motors, going back 20 years, where free this and that was given to retireeees

is sustainable????????????

I can go on

Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

First, you can't declare bankruptcy on student loans.

Second, if you don't have enough money to buy things, you can't have a car or put gas in it to get to work, or buy food to hold down a job, etc. That's sidelines you as a worker bee.

So, however odd it seems, yes.

I'd take a guess that they'd pay for the means to get to work before they pay their student loans, so no.

theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

First, you can't declare bankruptcy on student loans.

Second, if you don't have enough money to buy things, you can't have a car or put gas in it to get to work, or buy food to hold down a job, etc. That's sidelines you as a worker bee.

So, however odd it seems, yes.

I'd take a guess that they'd pay for the means to get to work before they pay their student loans, so no.

That's what I mean. They won't be able to pay their student loans in this situation, so we shouldn't make them do it.

One ought not to do what one can't do.

winterwhile: now apply that to Gov Motors, going back 20 years, where free this and that was given to retireeees

is sustainable????????????

I can go on

I could support "Total Austerity For Everyone" if we just didn't come off an Epic Bailout Package a couple of years ago.

The way I see it now... if the Big Boys were able to get their goodies, we need to speak up for ours.

winterwhile: End_Of_Line: winterwhile:

In a few years (if they are lucky), Greece will figure out that they do not have enough revenue coming in to make it on their own, and go to the EU for another bailout . . .

Rinse and repeat as much as you like . . .

so, you are saying, a retirement age of 50

is sustainable???????

now apply that to Gov Motors, going back 20 years, where free this and that was given to retireeees

is sustainable????????????

I can go on

Please don't. I don't think the Internet can handle you being any more wrong than you already are.

theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

First, you can't declare bankruptcy on student loans.

Second, if you don't have enough money to buy things, you can't have a car or put gas in it to get to work, or buy food to hold down a job, etc. That's sidelines you as a worker bee.

So, however odd it seems, yes.

I'd take a guess that they'd pay for the means to get to work before they pay their student loans, so no.

Yeah, defaulting is a better option. I don't think one would choose to pay the loans over feeding their family.

machodonkeywrestler: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

give us a number.

please

The same we give to the oil companies yearly?

I dunno the numbers. But yes, there are numbers involved here.

machodonkeywrestler: winterwhile: The_Gallant_Gallstone: winterwhile: so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

I need... about three fiddy!

About what it costs to occupy Afghanistan for 10 years should do it.

thats an failed Obama war, try again.

wars end

entitlements never end

Are you retarded?

We're pretty sure a stroke was involved.

madden101: Last week, the issue we received indicated that Ron Paul had won some sort of county-wide Republican caucus.

Yeah, that was the one they held at the St. Charles Convention Center the other week because the first one at Francis Howell North got cancelled because a fight broke out. This was also the day after Santorum dropped out of the race.

madden101: And we keep getting form letters from Akin's office--at the taxpayers' expense (I know, everyone does this because it's legal)--complaining about the latest threat from the president. I've taken the time to respond to a couple. Something tells me it won't have any effect.

I get those stupid things as well and in between laughing my ass off and just banging my head against the desk about the idiotic things he wrote in there. Like the last "taxpayer funded letter" he sent talking about how Defense doesn't need to be cut anymore because it's been cut enough already and how the DoD has been unfairly targeted when it comes to federal budget cuts. Why doesn't he just be honest with us and tell us you're just kissing Boeing's ass.

I always have the urge to respond to them and send it back but I always end up getting distracted with something else.

Sabyen91: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

Declaring bankruptcy doesn't necessarily discharge student loans.

/Just a minor point in case you thought they did.

As true as that is, a subsidy on them is not what would be keeping someone in the workforce. Especially under the circumstance where student loan debt can't be cancelled by bankruptcy, I would imagine that kind of the debt would the lowest on the priority list of things to pay for.

1. means of getting a paycheck
2. place to live
3. food
4. clothes
5. healthcare
6. credit card and other non-student loan debt
7. student loan debt

that's a 20-second thought process of priorities if I currently had a job and lots of student loan debt.

cameroncrazy1984: machodonkeywrestler: winterwhile: The_Gallant_Gallstone: winterwhile: so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

I need... about three fiddy!

About what it costs to occupy Afghanistan for 10 years should do it.

thats an failed Obama war, try again.

wars end

entitlements never end

Are you retarded?

We're pretty sure a stroke was involved.

i heard paint huffing caused the stroke

cameroncrazy1984: winterwhile: Bill Murray said I was weird: winterwhile: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: winterwhile: Bhasayate: There should be a student loan bailout. For at least a bit. It's getting crazy.

so how much money are you willing to give to some college students?

How are student LOANS 'giving' money to college students?

Right. I'm just saying if we had a big auto bailout, and a wall street bail out, we should have a student loan amnesty program, too. We have got to be fair here.

How about a bail out for the common taxpayer??? you know those of us who pay taxes.

So...not you then.

I pay around 20%

I pay more than you in taxes. Therefore my opinion matters more than yours does.

If you were rich enough for your opinion to matter, you wouldn't have paid more in taxes.

Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: theknuckler_33: Bhasayate: It'd be better to subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce than bankrupt everyone in the up and coming generations.

Wait, so not being able to pay back student loans and perhaps declaring bankruptcy removes you from the workforce?

wtfamireading.jpg

First, you can't declare bankruptcy on student loans.

Second, if you don't have enough money to buy things, you can't have a car or put gas in it to get to work, or buy food to hold down a job, etc. That's sidelines you as a worker bee.

So, however odd it seems, yes.

I'd take a guess that they'd pay for the means to get to work before they pay their student loans, so no.

That's what I mean. They won't be able to pay their student loans in this situation, so we shouldn't make them do it.

One ought not to do what one can't do.

You said "subsidize those loans and keep people in the workforce" as if the former caused the latter. That is retarded.

The_Gallant_Gallstone: relcec: republicans really need to vote out these douchebags that use socialism to attempt to indict everything they disagree with. it clouds the the issues and is the laziest form of argument imaginable.

It could wind up as a "Boy Who Cried Wolf" scenario. If Marxism ever makes a comeback, the populace could be desensitized to the "socialism as demonization" tactic.

you are absolutely correct.
it results in people on the far leftside of the isle to not unreasonably claim a lot of beneficial policies are in fact socialism, like almost every relatively successful healthcare system in the world, when socialism has nothing to do with 99% of them.

republicans are actually working to enure the population to the socialist ideology with this bullshiat.
a lot of people really look at the Canadian healthcare system and say *if that's socialism, I guess I like the sound of that.*

no, the Canadian healthcare system it's not socialism you republican assholes, and and trying to taint everything you don't like just by screaming this word that happened to have significant negative cache 3 decades ago is just making real forms of socialism sound like a much better idea than they otherwise would to many people.