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(Daily Kos)   Paul Ryan: My budget is based on Catholic values. Bishops: No, it's based on Ayn Rand - now go read this Catholic Social Doctrine and try again   (dailykos.com) divider line 89
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2012-04-25 04:19:51 PM
7 votes:
This kind of thing seems to happen quite frequently for Republican Catholics.

They always seem to forget that the Church doesn't have the overwhelming hatred of the poor that the GOP does.
2012-04-25 09:09:18 PM
6 votes:
This is one of the finest summaries of Catholic Social doctrine, from a letter by Pope John Paul II called Evangelium Vitae, but sadly most Republicans and too many Catholic bishops stop reading after the first two lines:


I repeat that condemnation in the name of the whole Church, certain that I am interpreting the genuine sentiment of every upright conscience: "Whatever is opposed to life itself, such as any type of murder, genocide, abortion, euthanasia, or wilful self-destruction, whatever violates the integrity of the human person, such as mutilation, torments inflicted on body or mind, attempts to coerce the will itself; whatever insults human dignity, such as subhuman living conditions, arbitrary imprisonment, deportation, slavery, prostitution, the selling of women and children; as well as disgraceful working conditions, where people are treated as mere instruments of gain rather than as free and responsible persons; all these things and others like them are infamies indeed. They poison human society, and they do more harm to those who practise them than to those who suffer from the injury. Moreover, they are a supreme dishonour to the Creator".
2012-04-25 08:52:59 PM
6 votes:
The best representative the catholic church has is Stephen Colbert
2012-04-25 08:48:12 PM
6 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org
Dear Republicans, your messiah you worship was an atheist and her doctrine was the basis for the Church of Satan.

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And it's the antithesis of what this person teaches:

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2012-04-25 04:44:35 PM
6 votes:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

F*ck you, Paul Ryan.
2012-04-25 04:19:17 PM
6 votes:

Elandriel: Is this the thread where Catholicism is OK now? I can't keep up with which Catholics are evil bastards hell-bent on destroying the world and remaking it in their image, which ones are rape raping, which ones are imposing theocratic rule on America, and which ones are nice kind loving people who actually think with their farking brains and not only with what is written in a two thousand year old book.


You make it sound like I have to choose between disliking Paul Ryan and disliking the Catholic Church.
2012-04-25 09:56:46 PM
5 votes:

WombatControl: Everyone is expected to help others. Personally


Everyone is expected to have compassion and empathy for all others at all times. And you are expected to help others by those means you personally have. Ergo, if you're a legislator you don't cut off assistance to those in need. Nor do you demonize those in need, or minorities, or women etc etc. Basically what Catholic teachings say is that if you're a CEO and take a bonus for yourself while cutting bonuses for your employees, you fail. If you're a legislator and allow people to go without help, you fail.
2012-04-25 09:46:49 PM
5 votes:

WombatControl: do not reflect the actual teachings of the Catholic Church.


Actually they do. Everyone is expected at all times to help those in need. Also you may want to read the rest of those encyclicals you linked to.
2012-04-25 06:35:02 PM
5 votes:
Call me crazy, but I think would should base out budget on... MATH.

You know... We take in as much as we spend or more so we can pay off the sh*t we bought 30 years ago.

I'm not feeling to many takers on my idea.
2012-04-25 10:34:00 PM
4 votes:
The only thing funnier than Paul Ryan being called on his bullshiat is how far his fortunes have fallen. Over 16 months ago this gollum-like loser was positioning himself to be the Republican nominee. He was all ready and set to give the rebuttal to the State of the Union address and finally make it big time. He was actually cunning enough to realize that maybe the next Republican nominee should start early and get on top of a Republican 'win' (that just happened to shiat itself when coming close to gaining the Senate).

Then three things happened: the Medicare bill was revealed to be a way of getting rid of the program and Ryan took credit for it, Bachmann upstaged him during the 'Teabagger Response' where she looked like she was about to behead a soldier, and then the Republicans figured that Donald Trump would be a better candidate than Paul Ryan. And now that stupid shiathead is begging to be second fiddle to the Romney campaign by doing everything short of sticking his nose up a Book of Mormon.

The fact that Paul Ryan has failed at even trying to attempt to gain power and now has to resort to asking for the VP slot in a doomed campaign tells you everything you need to know about the man. The fact that he looks like his mother still dresses him. The way he shoots off the Republican rhetoric in the most half-assed way. The way he looks like Kirk Cameron pushing another crocoduck and selling it with all the glee of a door-to-door salesman five days away from hanging himself with his unclean socks.

Paul Ryan isn't smart enough to realize Romney is a sinking ship. What the fark does anybody think he has to add to the national discourse if he's this pathetic?
2012-04-25 08:51:46 PM
4 votes:
Objectivism is autism expressed as a personal philosophy.
Libertarianism is autism expressed as a political philosophy.
2012-04-25 08:42:36 PM
4 votes:
While I loathe the Catholic bishops for unrelated reasons, I have no problem supporting them when it comes to calling out Ryan's bullshiat.

Fark Paul Ryan. And Ayn Rand. gets several helpings of 'Rot in hell you hateful, hypocritical biatch, your shiatty novel and its fanbase have skullfarked America'.
2012-04-25 05:49:24 PM
4 votes:
Why would you base a budget on a religious teaching?

That just makes no goddamn sense at all.

This is why I'm not a Republican anymore. They are just completely nonsensical nowadays.
2012-04-25 03:55:40 PM
4 votes:
Father Reese: "Survival of the fittest may be okay for Social Darwinists but not for followers of the gospel of compassion and love."

Well said. Though I still maintain that the budget shouldn't be based on ANY religion. Well, maybe Voodoo.
2012-04-25 03:52:34 PM
4 votes:
"Our problem with Representative Ryan is that he claims his budget is based on Catholic social teaching,"

I have a problem with that for entirely different reasons.
2012-04-25 11:53:18 PM
3 votes:

WombatControl: Do a modicum of research into the system of social welfare we have in this country. Yes, we have a welfare state. Not just in the level of spending, but in the culture of dependency it creates.


I would suggest that you are the one who needs to do a little research. I have no doubt your assumed knowledge on the subject rivals your revealed expertise in the cost of building permits. You seem to be under the impression that there is some sort of welfare program that able bodied people can leech off of for an unlimited amount of time. This is not the case. Even the program that is closest to what ignorant people like yourself who don't actually have the slightest farking clue what they are talking about imagine "welfare" to be, TANF, has "temporary" as the first word in its name.
2012-04-25 09:49:00 PM
3 votes:
Paul Ryan is the sort of person that makes Spiro Agnew look like an upright guy. Paul Ryan is the sort of person that makes Huey Long look like a honest, fair politician. Boss Tweed? Nice guy, up front about what he wanted, unlike Paul Ryan.

Best part is that none of these men looked like a washed up child star from a sub-par TV sitcom in the '60s.

Paul Ryan can, frankly, fark himself.
2012-04-25 09:46:07 PM
3 votes:

WombatControl: Once again, it's the left that gets Catholic Social Doctrine right.


Yes. Yes we do.
2012-04-25 09:38:45 PM
3 votes:

falcon176: when are the teabaggers going to flood the thread and explain to everyone that the Catholic Bishops don't know shiat about Catholicism and Ryan has a masters degree in everything relevant including religion and economics


grotto_man got a head start with that whopper of an article he posted talking about the "uncommon intelligence" of Paul Ryan.

And if by "uncommon intelligence", he means dumb as a box of rocks to design a budget based on 2% unemployment and when asked about the details of his plans such as which loopholes to close, he basically said "i dunno".

Then yes....yes he is
2012-04-25 09:31:00 PM
3 votes:

grotto_man: Ryan's right - http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/rose-delauro-cns-and-the-disorient e d-catholic-left .


Like hell he is. Crisis magazine exists for the sole purpose of adapting Catholicism to far right political ideology. It's about as accurate as Fox News.
2012-04-25 09:26:54 PM
3 votes:

Bhasayate: But Ayn Rand was Catholic, so it's all good.


You're thinking of Hitler. The other crazy person with a weird accent and a stupid haircut that hated Communists and worked to erase their Jewish heritage so that Nazis didn't take note of it. It's okay to get them confused.
2012-04-25 03:42:58 PM
3 votes:
And on the 7th day, the Lord said: OH SNAP.
2012-04-26 09:25:05 AM
2 votes:

WhyteRaven74: cameroncrazy1984: In what respect is having enough money to feed and clothe your children robbing you of your "human agency," exactly?

I like how he completely ignores that there are papal encyclicals that talk about how necessary social programs are.


He even fails even in understanding the role of social programs. We have gotten accustomed to thinking of social programs as a form of charity. This is a terrible representation.

When people form a society they agree upon both the formal laws of the society (like legal code) as well as informal laws of the society (the social contract) .

Part of America's social contract involves promoting general welfare to incentivize participation in society. We understood that those being excluded from the benefits of the society would feel no obligation to further societal goals and may become a threat to the society.

Social assistance is not about charity. Social assistance is about the obligation we have to those willingly participating in our societal contract.
2012-04-26 09:13:49 AM
2 votes:
truthsite.org
2012-04-26 04:39:09 AM
2 votes:
I'm a gay liberal atheist, and nothing would make me happier than if the United States became a Christian nation. Not so fast, Churchie - I mean Christian in the sense of actually following the teachings of Jesus Christ: love, compassion, patience, forgiveness, charity - you know, that sort of thing.
2012-04-26 12:49:52 AM
2 votes:
From Ch 1 of the 1912 Wisconsin Idea:

If this has been the course of history, are there not lessons to be learned? Is there not some way of keeping history from repeating itself? Is there not some means by which we can maintain the youth of the nation, keep poverty at a minimum, and wealth, caste and privilege from commanding, conquering and finally destroying the nation?

Let us look at this crude diagram. Perhaps it will show how far-reaching the remedy must be.

www.library.wisc.edu

In the diagram to the left, marked Stage 1, you will notice the word Wealth at the top and the word Poverty at the bottom; between these two extremes is a square representing the American people in 1850. It represents a time in America when the great monopolies had not been formed; when Force in contract did not exist to the extent that it does to-day; there was plenty, and it was not necessary to use force. Was there not free land, oil, minerals, etc.? Wherein lay the advantage of monopoly?

To the right of this is Stage 2, which is intended to represent conditions in 1912. A small rectangle will be seen directly under the heading Wealth. This shows the change that has taken place. One per cent of the people now possess over fifty per cent of the wealth. Yet the strong, independent American spirit is still evident in the class represented halfway between Wealth and Poverty; notice the other small rectangle at the bottom--the very poor. Does any one maintain that this picture is untrue? Some might consider the rectangle representing the very poor too small, but for our purpose--to illustrate the basic conditions of society in relation to the Wisconsin idea--it will serve very well.

On the extreme right is Stage 3. It needs no comment. The sad history of many a country can be pictured by that little diagram because concentrated wealth means power, caste, privilege, corruption and decay of every ideal, whether of manhood, morals or patriotism. Are not the crumbled remains of what were once prosperous cities scattered in the waste places of the earth sufficient proof of all this? We need not exaggerate this picture, and we cannot.
2012-04-25 11:21:42 PM
2 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: Father Reese: "Survival of the fittest may be okay for Social Darwinists but not for followers of the gospel of compassion and love."

Well said. Though I still maintain that the budget shouldn't be based on ANY religion. Well, maybe Voodoo.


cfcoleman1992.files.wordpress.com
Approves.
2012-04-25 11:15:08 PM
2 votes:

WombatControl: r, but entrap them into a culture of dependency and subservience.


So the poor should then suffer until someone shows up to take care of them? And the problems with the social programs we have is because so many people try to make them fail. Also you might want to look up on the difference between having social programs and being a welfare state. But at the end of the day, if you allow just one person to suffer because of your decisions, you are fully responsible and liable for that person's suffering. It is in every way your fault.
2012-04-25 10:19:29 PM
2 votes:
I hate to Godwin the thread (too late!) but I wonder if this is how it felt in the 30s in Germany? I mean, all these people who think they're fighting the good fight and supporting the god-fearing, patriotic leaders who will save them, but who later come to realize they've been unwittingly supporting fascism and empowering wealthy men with no ethics who will eventually bring ruin upon their nation.

While the proles still argue about Republic vs Democrat, or Liberal vs Conservative, the plutocrats and true villains are shaking hands, making deals, and carving up our nation like a cherry pie.

And guess what, kiddies! Us poor folks who make under $500,000 a year? We get the pits.
2012-04-25 10:18:25 PM
2 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: What would a budget "based on Catholic values" even look like?


Imagine no one having to beg for money for food or sleeping on the street or lacking medical care. That would be the most basic parts of it.
2012-04-25 09:42:42 PM
2 votes:

jso2897: Objectivism is psychopathy autismexpressed as a personal philosophy.
Libertarianism is psychopathy autism expressed as a political philosophy.


Adjusted for accuracy.
2012-04-25 09:26:10 PM
2 votes:

grotto_man: Ryan's right - http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/rose-delauro-cns-and-the-disorient e d-catholic-left .

Now, to make matters worse, here is Paul Ryan, a congressman of uncommon intelligence...


Excuse me while I barf.

who can ably argue the public policy implications of Catholic social doctrine and who understands that what the Church asks of a just society is the empowerment of the poor: breaking the cycle of welfare dependency and unleashing the creativity the Church believes God builds into every human soul.

What a load of BS that is. Paul Ryan isn't going to sleep with you George.

Tell me where it says that we should tell the poor to fark off anytime they ask for help. Because that's what Paul Ryan's bullshiat budget is suggesting.
2012-04-25 09:12:07 PM
2 votes:
I do get a kick out of the GOP.

Darwin.... bad.
Social Darwin... good.
2012-04-25 08:56:24 PM
2 votes:

Erebus1954: coco ebert: This is the side of the Catholic Church that I admire. Awesome slapdown.

I like how they are consistent in their stance on human life by being against the death penalty and against birth control and abortion. It pisses off both the right and left and they don't care.


It's hard to be consistent these days so yes, that is very admirable.

As a Catholic, it helps reaffirm my belief that not every Catholic has fallen for the bastardized version of Catholicism which mixes the Prosperity Gospel in there and that there are still good Catholic out there.
2012-04-25 08:48:18 PM
2 votes:

Ed Finnerty: You have a better chance of fitting a camel through the eye of a needle than finding a Republican who can recite the Golden Rule.


He who has the Gold makes the rules
2012-04-25 08:42:33 PM
2 votes:
This is the side of the Catholic Church that I admire. Awesome slapdown.
2012-04-25 08:37:16 PM
2 votes:
I'm OK with the religion of child rapists getting into a fight with the cult of ego. Hopefully they'll kill each other off and leave the world a better place.
2012-04-25 08:37:08 PM
2 votes:
Someone saying that Paul Ryan's budget is not based on his religious leanings is the nicest thing anyone could say about Paul Ryan's budget.
2012-04-25 07:30:35 PM
2 votes:
Sometimes the Catholic Church is awesome.
Paul Ryan is always a dick/tool
2012-04-25 05:56:43 PM
2 votes:
And Jesus said unto them: Verily, fark the poor
2012-04-25 05:44:51 PM
2 votes:
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2012-04-25 05:44:05 PM
2 votes:
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2012-04-25 05:43:18 PM
2 votes:
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2012-04-25 05:41:53 PM
2 votes:
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2012-04-25 05:40:55 PM
2 votes:
t2.gstatic.com
2012-04-25 04:50:01 PM
2 votes:

Elandriel: I need to know Who The Bad Guys Are.


The terrorists are bad. Puppies are cute. America is the best nation on earth.

I hope this helps.
2012-04-25 04:46:36 PM
2 votes:

Quasar: You make it sound like I have to choose between disliking Paul Ryan and disliking the Catholic Church.


Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: There's some from column A and some from column B.


All I know is I'm tired of having to think for myself with all these differing views and shades of grey. Isn't there a news network or something that can package this all into nice little soundbytes so I can be told how to think? I need to know Who The Bad Guys Are. Things need to be easily compartmentalized, set apart from one another, given a stark contrast. When Catholics are advancing the cause of socialist liberal hell, it blurs the lines, and I find myself adrift without an anchor.

This is not okay.
2012-04-25 04:14:35 PM
2 votes:
Is this the thread where Catholicism is OK now? I can't keep up with which Catholics are evil bastards hell-bent on destroying the world and remaking it in their image, which ones are rape raping, which ones are imposing theocratic rule on America, and which ones are nice kind loving people who actually think with their farking brains and not only with what is written in a two thousand year old book.
2012-04-26 09:38:00 AM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Talondel: risks falling into a 'welfare state.'

When you have people who sleep on the streets you don't need to worry about the welfare state thing. Especially when you make it impossible for them to get any sort of assistance to help their situation.


While passing laws criminalizing poverty to further insure upward mobility is impossible.
2012-04-26 08:30:59 AM
1 votes:
A'ight, it's almost 5:30 in the morning and I'm a l'il sleepy but did I just read an entire thread full of trolls who not only wanted to suggest that reducing money for welfare was good idea but also a moral idea backed up by Catholic doctrine?

Cos the former notion is just batshiat insane and the latter one is the kinda thing one goes straight to hell for without passing go or collecting 200 dollars.

No social justice, no peace.
2012-04-26 07:30:01 AM
1 votes:
Paul Ryan and his budget are the living embodiment of Republican doctrine... Callous, mean-spirited avarice draped in hypocrisy and platitudes.
2012-04-26 05:40:14 AM
1 votes:

A Terrible Human: So does this mean some religions are tired of being used as talking points for politics?


Religion is politics.
2012-04-26 01:27:31 AM
1 votes:
Sassy Jesus's reaction:

www.aaanything.net
2012-04-26 12:54:47 AM
1 votes:
galileounchained.files.wordpress.com

/hot
2012-04-26 12:38:47 AM
1 votes:

WombatControl: The point of Rep. Ryan's budget is that we already have a welfare state, and it isn't working.


How can social programs work when they are badly underfunded, many of the most needy are excluded and we seek to demonize those who receive benefits? And we don't have a welfare state. We barely have anything resembling a social safety net. And no charities aren't the answer, they can't manage even simple problems. Also it goes beyond social programs, like working conditions. How do you defend someone having to work two jobs to keep a roof over the head? How do you defend people working 70 hours a week with no overtime, crap ass health insurance, almost no vacation etc? How do you defend that CEOs in many companies receive benefits that aren't available to other employees? Why should a CEO get 6 weeks of paid vacation when no non-exec at the company gets any paid vacation? Why should a kid working at McDonalds not have top shelf health insurance?
2012-04-26 12:27:56 AM
1 votes:
DOUBLE STANDARD!!1! DOUBLE STANDARD!!1!

The Catholic Church gives books to Republican candidates in gentle reproof.

The Catholic Church denies the eucharist and threatens excommunication upon Democratic candidates.

Why does the Catholic Church hate Democrats? Why???

Oh yeah...that pro-choice thingy.

Of course the Ryan budget will probably kill thousands but they'll be poor minority women, mostly.
2012-04-25 11:45:01 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: Sabyen91: WombatControl: The point of Rep. Ryan's budget is that we already have a welfare state, and it isn't working.

No, the point of his budget is "fark everybody but the rich".

It isn't working because half of our elected officials have a vested interest in making sure it doesn't work.


Yeah, the government ROI is incredible on food stamps but conservatives don't actually use facts when it comes to their pet projects.
2012-04-25 11:33:57 PM
1 votes:

WombatControl: The point of Rep. Ryan's budget is that we already have a welfare state, and it isn't working.


No, the point of his budget is "fark everybody but the rich".
2012-04-25 11:31:05 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: andrewagill: andrewagill: Gov Ryan

Nooo! Wrong Ryan!

[mimg.ugo.com image 288x288]
RIP Jack Ryan

/wrong meme?


What...you gay? :)

www.wearetheborg.com
2012-04-25 11:28:16 PM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: WombatControl: r, but entrap them into a culture of dependency and subservience.

So the poor should then suffer until someone shows up to take care of them? And the problems with the social programs we have is because so many people try to make them fail. Also you might want to look up on the difference between having social programs and being a welfare state. But at the end of the day, if you allow just one person to suffer because of your decisions, you are fully responsible and liable for that person's suffering. It is in every way your fault.


You know what? Fark you.

We've given the voodoo economics and "trickle down" bullsh*t plenty of time to work. After a third of a century later, things have gotten worse not better. The rich got more money, but the sick bastards decided to hold onto it instead or spend it in ways deliberately designed to be of as little "trickle down" value as possible.

Maybe from all the screaming and wailing you goobs do every time at the slightest hint of caring for people who AREN'T filthy rich, perhaps we SHOULD go full-tilt into a bona-fide and unabashed welfare state. If you guys hate it so god-damned much, perhaps it IS the best way to go.

Don't want everyone on the dole? CREATE SOME FUGGIN' JOBS THEN SO WE WON'T HAVE TO BE ON THE DOLE!!
2012-04-25 10:40:14 PM
1 votes:
Most Catholics are pretty decent folks, or at least on the same level as most other people.

Most Catholic politicians seem to think that the best idea the church ever had was the Inquisition.

//still trying to figure out how Newt and Santorum could claim to be Catholic with a straight face.
2012-04-25 10:32:27 PM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: The one in the real world isn't the one that was around back then. The encyclicals that make up the church's stance on social policy don't go back all that far, in part because how things are now is not how they've been for very long and also because the people running the place actually tend to care about things unlike in the past.


The Church's official statement on the cause of child-rape in the Church since the 1950s: Gay Al Qaeda and time-traveling hippies.

They care about what they've always cared about: considering themselves to be blameless for all acts of evil they commit, and money.
2012-04-25 10:21:25 PM
1 votes:
I'm absolutely shocked that a teabagging republican would pull shiat out of his ass.
2012-04-25 10:09:55 PM
1 votes:

Elandriel: Is this the thread where Catholicism is OK now? I can't keep up with which Catholics are evil bastards hell-bent on destroying the world and remaking it in their image, which ones are rape raping, which ones are imposing theocratic rule on America, and which ones are nice kind loving people who actually think with their farking brains and not only with what is written in a two thousand year old book.


I was thinking the same thing myself (see above post), but then I realized something......

Lex Luthor is bad, but at least he's not really, REALLY evil, like Darkseid.

Which goes to show that Ryan is such a flaming monstrous asswipe that even Nazi sympathizing child-molesters look good compared to him.
2012-04-25 10:03:35 PM
1 votes:

Erix: . He's the one that first noted it.


Darwin explicitly stated that what goes for nature does not go for human institutions. Darwin thought social darwinism was a complete sham.
2012-04-25 10:03:11 PM
1 votes:
The Ayn Rand reading retards thinking Paul Ryan is a true Catholic forgot this part as well:

42. Returning now to the initial question: can it perhaps be said that, after the failure of Communism, capitalism is the victorious social system, and that capitalism should be the goal of the countries now making efforts to rebuild their economy and society? Is this the model which ought to be proposed to the countries of the Third World which are searching for the path to true economic and civil progress?

The answer is obviously complex. If by "capitalism" is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a "business economy", "market economy" or simply "free economy". But if by "capitalism" is meant a system in which freedom in the economic sector is not circumscribed within a strong juridical framework which places it at the service of human freedom in its totality, and which sees it as a particular aspect of that freedom, the core of which is ethical and religious, then the reply is certainly negative.


Link
2012-04-25 09:59:16 PM
1 votes:

eudemonist: Wait a minute...now Kos wants us to respect something that reads, in part, "The first right presented in this list is the right to life, from conception to its natural end, which is the condition for the exercise of all other rights and, in particular, implies the illicitness of every form of procured abortion and of euthanasia?"

This must be one of those "cunning plans."


No, they're just calling bullshiat on Paul when he says he respects it.
2012-04-25 09:57:53 PM
1 votes:

WombatControl: If you want to know the real position of the Church, don't trust a group of politicized bishops...


I remember when you said the same thing when those same bishops came out against Obama's health plan.

Oh wait, no I don't.
2012-04-25 09:54:44 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Butbutbut they don't support his position!


well yeah, but that's not my problem ;)

Zulu_as_Kono: It's not like he can say the Pope was wrong, or anything.


Part of being a Catholic is you're supposed to abide by the teachings of the church including the content of encyclicals. So yeah, someone should ask him how he considers himself a good Catholic when he stands opposed to the teachings that as a Catholic he's expected to adhere to. To say nothing of standing opposed to the teachings of Jesus.
2012-04-25 09:54:42 PM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: WombatControl: do not reflect the actual teachings of the Catholic Church.

Actually they do. Everyone is expected at all times to help those in need. Also you may want to read the rest of those encyclicals you linked to.


I have.

And you miss the point. Everyone is expected to help others. Personally. Just saying "well, I support higher taxes on the rich and the welfare state, so I'm good to go" is the height of hypocrisy. The obligation to help others is personal, and is not satisfied by merely supporting the state.

Again, if I'm so wrong, I provided links to both encyclicals - feel free to quote the passages that support your position.
2012-04-25 09:49:53 PM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: WombatControl: do not reflect the actual teachings of the Catholic Church.

Actually they do. Everyone is expected at all times to help those in need. Also you may want to read the rest of those encyclicals you linked to.


Butbutbut they don't support his position!
2012-04-25 09:48:19 PM
1 votes:

Falcc: Bhasayate: But Ayn Rand was Catholic, so it's all good.

You're thinking of Hitler. The other crazy person with a weird accent and a stupid haircut that hated Communists and worked to erase their Jewish heritage so that Nazis didn't take note of it. It's okay to get them confused.


I came to point out that Ryan was just looking for a final solution to the poor problem, but see that my work was half done.
2012-04-25 09:42:52 PM
1 votes:

smeegle: Erix: inevitable outcome of fitness, which is the accumulation of lots of money.

How is the accumulation of wealth a single measure of being fittest?


Especially if there was a revolution.
2012-04-25 09:40:19 PM
1 votes:
This is a man who is ON RECORD saying that the military budget should be based on how much money they want.

"President Obama put out his budget number for the Pentagon first ... and then they began the strategy review to conform the budget to meet that number. We think it should have been the other way around."

And people take him seriously.

Seriously, what the fark?
2012-04-25 09:33:59 PM
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grotto_man: Ryan's right - http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/rose-delauro-cns-and-the-disorient e d-catholic-left .


Let's see, who to believe. Bishops who cite Catholic doctrine, or this guy?
2012-04-25 09:24:00 PM
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Hobodeluxe: The best representative the catholic church has is Stephen Colbert


You ain't kidding - his remarks about his religion in that big NY Times Sunday Magazine article a while ago made me think "maybe I should consider going back to the Church". For a couple seconds, at least.
2012-04-25 09:22:25 PM
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www.lolroflmao.com
2012-04-25 09:21:30 PM
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Sabyen91: Erebus1954: coco ebert: This is the side of the Catholic Church that I admire. Awesome slapdown.

I like how they are consistent in their stance on human life by being against the death penalty and against birth control and abortion. It pisses off both the right and left and they don't care.

Except I don't see anybody denying Paul communion. They aren't really all that consistent.

/Jesuits are pretty ok in my book, though.


Yeah, I tend to like the Catholics the CIA trained commandos to exterminate.
2012-04-25 09:20:51 PM
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coco ebert: This is the side of the Catholic Church that I admire.


Say what you will about the Church, and I've said plenty, the Jesuits are alright.
2012-04-25 08:50:10 PM
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coco ebert: This is the side of the Catholic Church that I admire. Awesome slapdown.


I like how they are consistent in their stance on human life by being against the death penalty and against birth control and abortion. It pisses off both the right and left and they don't care.
2012-04-25 07:00:23 PM
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Ed Finnerty: a Republican who can recite the Golden Rule.


Do unto others...then run.
2012-04-25 05:51:30 PM
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Lando Lincoln: Why would you base a budget on a religious teaching?


He's not basing it on a religious teaching. He's basing it on a bastardized and corrupt reading of a religious teaching. There's a big difference between those two.
2012-04-25 05:49:31 PM
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I like what vernonFL is doing. This one is my favorite:

29.media.tumblr.com
2012-04-25 05:40:08 PM
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Elandriel: Is this the thread where Catholicism is OK now?


Just because they're rapists doesn't mean they're not right sometimes. Even the worst people aren't bad in every single facet of their lives.
2012-04-25 05:36:43 PM
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"It is also demanded by the common good that civil authorities should make earnest efforts to bring about a situation in which individual citizens can easily exercise their rights and fulfill their duties as well. For experience has taught us that, unless these authorities take suitable action with regard to economic, political and cultural matters, inequalities between the citizens tend to become more and more widespread, especially in the modern world, and as a result human rights are rendered totally ineffective and the fulfillment of duties is compromised."

- Pope John XXIII, Pacem en Terris
2012-04-25 05:13:15 PM
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Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The terrorists are bad. Puppies are cute. America is the best nation on earth.

I hope this helps.


Sparkly Eagle gif or GTFO.
2012-04-25 04:44:47 PM
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Elandriel: Is this the thread where Catholicism is OK now? I can't keep up with which Catholics are evil bastards hell-bent on destroying the world and remaking it in their image, which ones are rape raping, which ones are imposing theocratic rule on America, and which ones are nice kind loving people who actually think with their farking brains and not only with what is written in a two thousand year old book.


Then go take a nap or something.
2012-04-25 04:20:18 PM
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Elandriel: can't keep up with which Catholics are evil bastards hell-bent on destroying the world and remaking it in their image, which ones are rape raping, which ones are imposing theocratic rule on America, and which ones are nice kind loving people who actually think with their farking brains and not only with what is written in a two thousand year old book.


There's some from column A and some from column B.
2012-04-25 03:57:04 PM
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If one thinks of the government as a priest and the taxpayer as a vulnerable young altar boy...
 
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